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ROYC75
08-26-2009, 05:37 PM
Obama is literally turning over power to liberal people and taking the power away from the house and senate.

His latest czar,Mark Lloyd was granted the rather Orwellian title of "Chief Diversity Officer" of the FCC.

Hello, there goes another attack on free speech and the free press with the fairness doctrine. How long before this happens ?

Obama and his radical agenda, is holding true to his old ways, just like his radical friends he associated himself with before the election.

Obama could very well either turn the country into something we all end up hating or will destroy the democratic party for years to come.

Donger
08-26-2009, 05:42 PM
Charming.

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dirk digler
08-26-2009, 06:08 PM
I used to not like the idea of czar's per se but after reading the story the other day that Obama only has about half of the offices filled because of Congress being slow and stalling I really am starting not to care. How are you supposed to run an effective government when the process is this slow and unyielding?

IMO something is going to have to change in the future for POTUS to get the government staffed properly and they are going to have to stream line some of this stuff.

And even when you go back to Bush's first term he didn't have alot of National security people in place when 9/11 happened.

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 06:14 PM
I used to not like the idea of czar's per se but after reading the story the other day that Obama only has about half of the offices filled because of Congress being slow and stalling I really am starting not to care. How are you supposed to run an effective government when the process is this slow and unyielding?

IMO something is going to have to change in the future for POTUS to get the government staffed properly and they are going to have to stream line some of this stuff.

And even when you go back to Bush's first term he didn't have alot of National security people in place when 9/11 happened.Bush had (I believe) 4-czars. BO is at 42 and counting...

My question is quite simple as I see Congress doing nothing about the Executive branch of gov't taking away their power by the use of czars because the administration can't seem to vett and get people in their departments selected and confirmed:

How are these czars being paid? From what budget? 42 times an average of around $150,000 =$6.3 Million. That's a bit of cash. And, another question: Why is it only the rwnj press are doing any investigating and reporting on this?

Man - oh - Man, I remember the press of yesteryear that foamed at the mouth to dig up dirt on the administration whether it be Nixon, Ford, Carter or Reagan.

dirk digler
08-26-2009, 06:20 PM
Bush had (I believe) 4-czars. BO is at 42 and counting...

My question is quite simple as I see Congress doing nothing about the Executive branch of gov't taking away their power by the use of czars because the administration can't seem to vett and get people in their departments selected and confirmed:

How are these czars being paid? From what budget? 42 times an average of around $150,000 =$6.3 Million. That's a bit of cash. And, another question: Why is it only the rwnj press are doing any investigating and reporting on this?

Man - oh - Man, I remember the press of yesteryear that foamed at the mouth to dig up dirt on the administration whether it be Nixon, Ford, Carter or Reagan.

I heard a Dem Senator say the other day that this is going to be changed in the future because they don't want these czars going around Congress. But IMO they need to relent some control and help move the process along because it is getting ridicuolous how slow it is.

Plus add the fact of how extreme you have to vet people now a days is really fucking stupid. That is one of the main reasons people don't want to join an administration. Let them pick who they want it is their administration.

Brock
08-26-2009, 06:22 PM
I heard a Dem Senator say the other day that this is going to be changed in the future because they don't want these czars going around Congress. But IMO they need to relent some control and help move the process along because it is getting ridicuolous how slow it is.
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What process? The democratic process as defined by the US constitution?

Simplex3
08-26-2009, 06:23 PM
I heard a Dem Senator say the other day that this is going to be changed in the future because they don't want these czars going around Congress. But IMO they need to relent some control and help move the process along because it is getting ridicuolous how slow it is.

Plus add the fact of how extreme you have to vet people now a days is really fucking stupid. That is one of the main reasons people don't want to join an administration. Let them pick who they want it is their administration.

No, it's OUR administration.

...and maybe the vetting wouldn't need to be such a huge process if elected officials would stop trying to put tax cheats in charge of the IRS, etc.

wild1
08-26-2009, 06:23 PM
Well, talk radio is clearly a problem. Perhaps a Truth Czar could head up a Ministry of Truth and take all the lies and falsehoods out, so we can all receive fair and unbiased information?

Taco John
08-26-2009, 06:24 PM
Charming.

Our conclusion is that the gap between
conservative and progressive talk radio is
the result of multiple structural problems
in the U.S. regulatory system, particularly
the complete breakdown of the public
trustee concept of broadcast, the elimination
of clear public interest requirements
for broadcasting, and the relaxation of
ownership rules including the requirement
of local participation in management.




Be afraid.

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 06:24 PM
I heard a Dem Senator say the other day that this is going to be changed in the future because they don't want these czars going around Congress. But IMO they need to relent some control and help move the process along because it is getting ridicuolous how slow it is.

Plus add the fact of how extreme you have to vet people now a days is really ****ing stupid. That is one of the main reasons people don't want to join an administration. Let them pick who they want it is their administration.I'm certainly not on the Glenn Beck Crazy Train but I am starting to see some very questionable traits associated with some of these czar picks. I have been trying to pick one each evening and do my own research on them to form my own opinion. But, in any event, the Congress is controlled by the Dems and if BO can't get his picks made, vetted, and confirmed - his team must be very lame or his picks very extreme. I just can;t believe the Congress is letting them usurp their authority. Quite stunning actually...

dirk digler
08-26-2009, 06:25 PM
What process? The democratic process as defined by the US constitution?

I don't consider it democratic when both sides stall appointments because they don't like them or some petty reasons. Who cares if they meet all the criteria for the job let them have it.

dirk digler
08-26-2009, 06:27 PM
I'm certainly not on the Glenn Beck Crazy Train but I am starting to see some very questionable traits associated with some of these czar picks. I have been trying to pick one each evening and do my own research on them to form my own opinion. But, in any event, the Congress is controlled by the Dems and if BO can't get his picks made, vetted, and confirmed - his team must be very lame or his picks very extreme. I just can;t believe the Congress is letting them usurp their authority. Quite stunning actually...

The problem is one congressman can hold up the entire process. It took 4 months to get the FEMA guy into place right before Hurricane Season because cheater David Vitter didn't really like the guy. It is beyond stupid.

Taco John
08-26-2009, 06:27 PM
IHow are you supposed to run an effective government when the process is this slow and unyielding?


You run an effective government by getting government out of the way of the people, not by centralizing power and letting mini-dictators operate like they're industry soverigns.

You Democrats are scary stuff man. It's shocking to me to hear the stuff that slips out of Democrats mouths these days. Loving the idea of industry soverigns? *shudder*

Brock
08-26-2009, 06:28 PM
I don't consider it democratic when both sides stall appointments because they don't like them or some petty reasons. Who cares if they meet all the criteria for the job let them have it.

Yeah, who cares what the law says, let's just rule by fiat.

Simplex3
08-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Our system of government was designed precisely to avoid greased wheels. It was intended to move slowly.

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 06:34 PM
The problem is one congressman can hold up the entire process. It took 4 months to get the FEMA guy into place right before Hurricane Season because cheater David Vitter didn't really like the guy. It is beyond stupid.They started the fun with Bork...

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 06:36 PM
Who cares if they meet all the criteria for the job let them have it.
WTH????

DJ's left nut
08-26-2009, 06:36 PM
Our system of government was designed precisely to avoid greased wheels. It was intended to move slowly.

This.

Why don't people understand that? Rapid change of a nation this size is a horrific idea. The government created by the framers was designed to foster legislative gridlock - it ensures that these things are thought through very thoroughly before they are implemented.

Unfortunately, in the 200 years since, a bunch of power hungry half-wits have decided that they know better and that the only things worth doing are worth doing extremely fast.

Quick is a virtual antithesis of correct. Slow the process and you're far more likely to achieve a just result.

stevieray
08-26-2009, 06:45 PM
I used to not like the idea of czar's per se but after reading the story the other day that Obama only has about half of the offices filled because of Congress being slow and stalling I really am starting not to care. How are you supposed to run an effective government when the process is this slow and unyielding?

IMO something is going to have to change in the future for POTUS to get the government staffed properly and they are going to have to stream line some of this stuff.


I still think dirk works for ACORN.

stevieray
08-26-2009, 06:50 PM
Van Jones...felon, anarchist, communist
Jeff Jones,,co founder of Weather Underground, board member of the Appollo alliance(who wrote the stimulus)
John Holdren..complete whacko
Cass Sunstein...dogs need lawyers
Ezekial Emanuel.. life counts only bewteen 15 and 40

and on an on..

stevieray
08-26-2009, 06:58 PM
. Who cares if they meet all the criteria for the job let them have it.

un friggen believable..


ya...let's apply that to doctors, lawyers, cops, firemen and teachers too.

dirk digler
08-26-2009, 07:00 PM
You run an effective government by getting government out of the way of the people, not by centralizing power and letting mini-dictators operate like they're industry soverigns.

You Democrats are scary stuff man. It's shocking to me to hear the stuff that slips out of Democrats mouths these days. Loving the idea of industry soverigns? *shudder*

Yeah, who cares what the law says, let's just rule by fiat.

WTH????

I don't like czars and I don't have a problem with the confirmation process for department heads per se because I understand they are the leaders of those departments. I don't like though the petty process that one person can hold up the entire process for petty reasons but that is the way it goes I suppose.

My main problem is the lower rung people that the jobs can't be filled because of the process and there really should no real reason for that IMO.

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 07:01 PM
un friggen believable..


ya...let's apply that to doctors, lawyers, cops, fireman and teachers too.Why not indeed? We allow it for internet BB posters including myself....:D

Saul Good
08-26-2009, 07:12 PM
WTH????

I think his poor grammar/punctuation made it look like he was saying the opposite of what he intended to say.

I believe that he meant, "Who cares? If they meet all the criteria for the job, let them have it."

dirk digler
08-26-2009, 07:22 PM
un friggen believable..


ya...let's apply that to doctors, lawyers, cops, fireman and teachers too.

I don't think you understand what I am saying and maybe that is partly my fault.

All these appointments are vetted and submit applications. The FBI runs background checks on all of these people. So if they pass all these and the person doing the hiring wants them why should a member of Congress hold them back for ideological reasons? And I am not talking about the Department heads I am talking about the lower level people.

alanm
08-26-2009, 07:36 PM
Obama is literally turning over power to liberal people and taking the power away from the house and senate.

His latest czar,Mark Lloyd was granted the rather Orwellian title of "Chief Diversity Officer" of the FCC.

Hello, there goes another attack on free speech and the free press with the fairness doctrine. How long before this happens ?

Obama and his radical agenda, is holding true to his old ways, just like his radical friends he associated himself with before the election.

Obama could very well either turn the country into something we all end up hating or will destroy the democratic party for years to come.Or the balkinazation of the US.

KC Dan
08-26-2009, 08:17 PM
I don't think you understand what I am saying and maybe that is partly my fault.

All these appointments are vetted and submit applications. The FBI runs background checks on all of these people. So if they pass all these and the person doing the hiring wants them why should a member of Congress hold them back for ideological reasons? And I am not talking about the Department heads I am talking about the lower level people.How many votes do the Dems have in the Senate again? This cannot be on the repubs for his staffing issues.

BucEyedPea
08-26-2009, 08:18 PM
Obama is literally turning over power to liberal people and taking the power away from the house and senate.

His latest czar,Mark Lloyd was granted the rather Orwellian title of "Chief Diversity Officer" of the FCC.

Hello, there goes another attack on free speech and the free press with the fairness doctrine. How long before this happens ?

Obama and his radical agenda, is holding true to his old ways, just like his radical friends he associated himself with before the election.

Obama could very well either turn the country into something we all end up hating or will destroy the democratic party for years to come.

Czarist Amerika. If you want to control the major means of production, you and I, with the amount of central planning he wants then it requires czars. How bizarre. Does anyone see what's wrong with this picture? And it won't matter if the Dem party is destroyed forever, the shackles will be on by then with the Communist Party USA in power.

jAZ
08-26-2009, 08:19 PM
How is this any different than any President employing staff with one particular skill set or another?

dirk digler
08-26-2009, 08:25 PM
How many votes do the Dems have in the Senate again? This cannot be on the repubs for his staffing issues.

I went over this before. All it takes is 1 senator from either side to hold up the process.

Lzen
08-26-2009, 09:31 PM
Van Jones...felon, anarchist, communist
Jeff Jones,,co founder of Weather Underground, board member of the Appollo alliance(who wrote the stimulus)
John Holdren..complete whacko
Cass Sunstein...dogs need lawyers
Ezekial Emanuel.. life counts only bewteen 15 and 40

and on an on..

And nobody sees the writing on the wall. Obama is a far left whacko. He's turning this country to shit and nobody seems to care. Well, at least the people who voted for him and the mainstream media.

Inspector
08-27-2009, 10:14 AM
Some crazy stuff going around.

A guy at work just told me that one of the Czras is a professed communist.

Get real....there is no president in his right mind that is going to use a communist as an advisor. I told him he needs to lay off the wacky stuff.

But he still insists that he's right.

Anyone else hear this kind of nonsense? I mean...don't matter if you're a dem or repub...nobody would go along with that.

stevieray
08-27-2009, 10:48 AM
Some crazy stuff going around.

A guy at work just told me that one of the Czras is a professed communist.

Get real....there is no president in his right mind that is going to use a communist as an advisor. I told him he needs to lay off the wacky stuff.

But he still insists that he's right.

Anyone else hear this kind of nonsense? I mean...don't matter if you're a dem or repub...nobody would go along with that.


Van Jones..who also has said he's basically a community organizer in the Federal family..Federal Family? more like the mob.

and then there is Mark Lloyd..who is a big fan of the hugo chavez' revolution...

he's the diversity officer (czar)..and what is the opposite of diversity?...UNITY

WilliamTheIrish
08-27-2009, 11:07 AM
His latest czar,Mark Lloyd was granted the rather Orwellian title of "Chief Diversity Officer" of the FCC.

$20 says Roy never heard the word Orwellian in his life.

Where did you C&P this from Roy?

Sully
08-27-2009, 11:08 AM
what is the opposite of diversity?...UNITY

No, it's not.

vailpass
08-27-2009, 11:09 AM
Any time you hear the word "diversity" be prepared to be confronted with racially biased selectivity.

alpha_omega
08-27-2009, 12:54 PM
Communists and Socialists aside....it seems to me (in general terms) that a Czar is just a position that tells others to do what they should already be doing anyway....

ClevelandBronco
08-27-2009, 12:57 PM
As long as it's not Czar Nicholas, we'll probably be fine.

ROYC75
08-27-2009, 02:41 PM
$20 says Roy never heard the word Orwellian in his life.

Where did you C&P this from Roy?

George Orwell ?:shrug:

Sheesh, we were talking about this very same crap a few weeks back.

ROYC75
08-27-2009, 02:45 PM
Obama is a power broker, he is grabbing all the power he can, Rolling the dice that by some chance he can make the situation look worst ( which he is doing, by blaming others) and by chance if it turns around any at all, he can claim victory for the Liberal and Democratic ways of running the country.

Need a crisis, invent one, let BIG GOVERNMENT take over and fix it..... Now look what we done for YOU!

BucEyedPea
08-27-2009, 04:06 PM
Communists and Socialists aside....it seems to me (in general terms) that a Czar is just a position that tells others to do what they should already be doing anyway....

Sounds more like heavier than usual central planning is going to be done.

|Zach|
08-27-2009, 04:48 PM
$20 says Roy never heard the word Orwellian in his life.

Where did you C&P this from Roy?

ROFL

WilliamTheIrish
08-27-2009, 08:21 PM
George Orwell ?:shrug:

Sheesh, we were talking about this very same crap a few weeks back.

That's what I thought....

ROYC75
08-27-2009, 09:32 PM
That's what I thought....

ROFL

You peckerheads can laugh all you want. Obama is working his community organizing and using the same policys of Saul Alinsky as well as George Orwell.


Control of propaganda ( current media )
Surveillance ( all politicians )
Misinformation ( he's good at this)
Denial of truth ( He has Mastered the Art of Denial.)
Manipulation of the past and present ( Check )
Socialism ( Gee, wonder where we have heard this one )
Big Brother society ( Heh,goes right along with Socialism and control style government)

Keep laughing fools, the day is coming the country will / is catching onto Obama's control style of government.

ROYC75
08-27-2009, 09:58 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5998000&highlight=Orwellian#post5998000

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5984371&highlight=Orwellian#post5984371

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5954946&highlight=Orwellian#post5954946

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5926617&highlight=Orwellian#post5926617

Oh my, it's not like this hasn't been discussed at some point on CP ?

LOCOChief
08-28-2009, 09:47 AM
I Who cares if they meet all the criteria for the job let them have it.

You are a dumbass.

mikey23545
08-28-2009, 09:56 AM
I don't like czars and I don't have a problem with the confirmation process for department heads per se because I understand they are the leaders of those departments. I don't like though the petty process that one person can hold up the entire process for petty reasons but that is the way it goes I suppose.

My main problem is the lower rung people that the jobs can't be filled because of the process and there really should no real reason for that IMO.

In other words, you can't stand the idea of a democracy...

BucEyedPea
08-28-2009, 10:31 AM
Democracy? We're "a republic, if [we] can keep it!