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nychief
08-27-2009, 09:36 AM
Prediction: The final 53
It’s dangerous to predict what Scott Pioli and Todd Haley are going to do because they’ve shown they’re willing to be unconventional. And there will be at least one player not on the radar right now who winds up playing for the Chiefs on Sept. 13 in Baltimore.
Having said that, I’m willing to hazard a guess as to the 53 players who survive the final cut among the 80 on hand at the moment. Here we go:
QB (3)
Matt Cassel, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen. Thigpen could get traded and if not Haley has floated the idea that the Chiefs might keep only two. Given the limitations of both Croyle (injuries and hasn’t produced when given the chance) and Thigpen (has trouble in a conventional offense) I think it’s extremely dangerous for the Chiefs to keep just one backup for Cassel
RB (4)
Larry Johnson, Mike Cox, Jackie Battle, Jamaal Charles. Javarris Williams and Dantrell Savage haven’t shown enough. Kolby Smith will begin the season on an injured list.
WR (5)
Dwayne Bowe, Devard Darling, Bobby Engram, Mark Bradley, Quinten Lawrence. Toughest position group to call other than the first three. Don’t feel good about the Bradley choice but I think the Chiefs need him. Lawrence stays because of his speed, though I don’t expect he’d play much. Amani Toomer, Ashley Lelie and Terrance Copper should stay by the phone because the Chiefs could come calling soon.
TE (3)
Sean Ryan, Brad Cottam, Jake O’Connell. The Chiefs might prefer to go with two and Cottam could be the one to go. But neither Ryan nor O’Connell has been a standout so the Chiefs could be forced to stay with three.
OL (9)
Branden Albert, Brian Waters, Rudy Niswanger, Mike Goff, Ikechuku Ndukwe, Damion McIntosh, Barry Richardson, Wade Smith, Andy Alleman. I see the Chiefs going light here because of a lack of quality depth. I believe Albert and Ndukwe will wind up starting at tackle with McIntosh backing up as both spots and Richardson again getting a spot as a developmental player. Smith and Alleman can backup at both guard and center. Missouri’s Colin Brown is a practice squad candidate.
DL (6)
Alfonso Boone, Ron Edwards, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Tank Tyler, Alex Magee. This position looks set.
LB (10)
Mike Vrabel, Derrick Johnson, Corey Mays, Tamba Hali, Andy Studebaker, Monty Beisel, Zach Thomas, Turk McBride, Jovan Belcher, Pierre Walters. The Chiefs don’t need 10 linebackers but they are deep here so they will go heavy and use many of these guys on special teams. Plus, the situation is complicated because of Zach Thomas’ uncertain situation. The Chiefs could keep Demorrio Williams instead of McBride, but that would leave them heavier at inside linebacker than outside.
DB (10)
Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard, Maurice Leggett, Donald Washington, Travis Daniels, Ricardo Colclough, Jon McGraw, Mike Brown. Again, the Chiefs don’t need 10 but have depth at these positions. If they trim to nine, Colclough is the first to go.
Specialists (3)
Ryan Succop, Dustin Colquitt, Thomas Gafford
There it is for all to ridicule. But if you’re going to do that, do it now and not wait until after they’ve made their cuts

Pestilence
08-27-2009, 09:38 AM
I'd rather see them cut Zach Thomas and Bobby Engram.

Keep Colin Brown and Amani Toomer.

CoMoChief
08-27-2009, 09:38 AM
Man this team needs more talent. Jesus.....

Count Zarth
08-27-2009, 09:40 AM
I don't possibly see how we can go with only 5 wide receivers.

mikey23545
08-27-2009, 09:40 AM
Has anyone heard even a rumor of WTF is going on with Zach Thomas?

tomahawk kid
08-27-2009, 09:42 AM
I don't seen Engram making this team over Toomer or even Leile based on what I've read about training camp practices.

nychief
08-27-2009, 09:42 AM
forgot we even drafted Javarris Williams.

nychief
08-27-2009, 09:43 AM
I don't seen Engram making this team over Toomer or even Leile based on what I've read about training camp practices.

I wonder how that will shake out.

KCDC
08-27-2009, 09:44 AM
The sad thing is that if we cut any WR but Bowe, none of them would be claimed to go on another team's 53. BTW, why does anyone like Darling? He's just another Jeff Webb.

BigChiefFan
08-27-2009, 09:45 AM
I see a few players I don't agree with.

nychief
08-27-2009, 09:46 AM
Brad Cottam... sheesh.

Mr. Krab
08-27-2009, 09:47 AM
I'm still waiting for Devard Darling to do jack shit. He must be teh best practice player EvAh!!

Sofa King
08-27-2009, 09:49 AM
Toomer will stay and a lber will go....

JD10367
08-27-2009, 09:50 AM
How many teams go with five WRs? I think Toomer stays, if only because of his veteran presence and abilities (old and slow they might have become).

TFG
08-27-2009, 09:50 AM
Whoever the media talks about, he's making the team. As for who stood out on the field, who cares?

wild1
08-27-2009, 09:52 AM
So there is Thigpen trade talk, and Haley has mentioned that he may only keep two, and yet this guy predicts Thigpen makes the team?

Mr. Krab
08-27-2009, 09:53 AM
So there is Thigpen trade talk, and Haley has mentioned that he may only keep two, and yet this guy predicts Thigpen makes the team?
Dude, he talks about that he's just leaving that up as a floater pick.

"Thigpen could get traded and if not Haley has floated the idea that the Chiefs might keep only two"

John_Wayne
08-27-2009, 09:54 AM
So, Herb Taylor and DaJuan Morgan are cut? I thought Taylor has played well and was a versitile backup O-lineman?

CaliforniaChief
08-27-2009, 09:56 AM
Yeah I think Thigpen's on the way out. Gutierrez is more of a fit for the conventional drop-back passing attack.

Other than that it's silly to project much right now because there's going to be a lot more turnover before it's said and done.

nychief
08-27-2009, 09:56 AM
So, Herb Taylor and DaJuan Morgan are cut? I thought Taylor has played well and was a versitile backup O-lineman?



yeah, what happened to the Herb Taylor love this TC?

Mr. Krab
08-27-2009, 10:00 AM
yeah, what happened to the Herb Taylor love this TC?Every time they put him into the game he sucks up the joint. I just think they are putting him at the wrong position. If they would move him inside i think he could succeed. He just doesn't have the foot speed to play tackle.

Some people just insist that Taylor is a tackle, being the morons that they are.

buddha
08-27-2009, 10:01 AM
Man this team needs more talent. Jesus.....

I couldn't agree more. That is a stunning collection of waiver wire talent. Even the other shitty teams in the league (Oakland, Detroit, Cincy, etc.) have more front line talent than do the Chiefs.

The fact that any of us are debating the merits of keeping Bobby Engram is mind-numbingly stupid. He's f'ing 60 years old...he shouldn't be in the NFL any longer!!! :#

KC has the WORST receiving corps in the NFL and there isn't a close second place choice (well, okay...maybe Oakland). Our DBs are our strength (I guess), but no All-Pros back there. No All-Pros anywhere.

BTW, Brad Cottam is HORRIBLE. He's as big as a wall and can't catch anything, and is a total puss blocking anywhere on the field.

JD10367
08-27-2009, 10:04 AM
Maybe the Chiefs will reverse the flow of players coming out of New England and going to KC or Denver. Send us Thigpen and a mid-round pick and we'll send you Ben Watson. :)

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 10:05 AM
KC has the WORST receiving corps in the NFL and there isn't a close second place choice (well, okay...maybe Oakland).

You might want to check the Rams depth chart...

Donnie Avery
Laurent Robinson
Keenan Burton
Derek Stanley
Brooks Foster
Tim Carter
Nate Jones
Sean Walker

raybec 4
08-27-2009, 10:09 AM
Herb Taylor has reached his breaking point, I'd rather see them keep Williams over Thomas at LB. Wide Receiver and TE are very thin these days.

raybec 4
08-27-2009, 10:10 AM
He's also got them giving up on Morgan at safety, is that premature?

nychief
08-27-2009, 10:13 AM
He's also got them giving up on Morgan at safety, is that premature?

that draft class is really shaping up well. All those A+ grades we were given... what a joke.


Dorsey - ahem, fingers crossed...
Morgan - poss. cut
Cottam - poss. cut

Rooster
08-27-2009, 10:25 AM
Man this team needs more talent. Jesus.....

Yes they do.. How did it ever get this bad? :shake:

Mr. Krab
08-27-2009, 10:26 AM
He's also got them giving up on Morgan at safety, is that premature?
He's done nothing but get injured so far.

Saleenman607
08-27-2009, 10:27 AM
Just cause Lawrence has some speed does not equate to making the roster imo. Homie can't freakin' catch OR hold on to the ball! Cut his speedy ass. The Chiefs need receivers that can #1 catch the ball
#2 hold the ball
#3 yac

Everyone (almost) has football speed in the NFL. I'll take a great route runner that can catch over speed anyday

TRR
08-27-2009, 10:31 AM
Its unfortunate that Brad Cottam couldn't step up and win the TE job. He really has a lot of ability, but just isn't technical and physical enough for Haley.

The problem with the TE position is that Ryan and O'Connell are terrible. They drop balls, and don't give much of anything in the blocking game. This is a position I hope Haley would bring a veteran guy in to work with Cottam, and support in the running/pass blocking sets.
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SNR
08-27-2009, 10:37 AM
Its unfortunate that Brad Cottam couldn't step up and win the TE job. He really has a lot of ability, but just isn't technical and physical enough for Haley.

The problem with the TE position is that Ryan and O'Connell are terrible. They drop balls, and don't give much of anything in the blocking game. This is a position I hope Haley would bring a veteran guy in to work with Cottam, and support in the running/pass blocking sets.
Posted via Mobile DeviceCottam learned from the best in the game for one year. If he deserves to get cut, it's because he's a shitty player, not because he didn't have the right influences

KCtotheSB
08-27-2009, 10:37 AM
Toomer's going to make the team, whether it be at the expense of Darling, Engram, Lawrence.

riskrevival
08-27-2009, 10:41 AM
You might want to check the Rams depth chart...

Donnie Avery
Laurent Robinson
Keenan Burton
Derek Stanley
Brooks Foster
Tim Carter
Nate Jones
Sean Walker


Avery, Robinson, Burton could play out better than our starting 3 WRs by the end of the season. They have a way bigger upside than Bowe, Darling, insert 30 year old something WR here ____, that we will be using.

Saleenman607
08-27-2009, 10:46 AM
Cottam learned from the best in the game for one year. If he deserves to get cut, it's because he's a shitty player, not because he didn't have the right influences

This.

boogblaster
08-27-2009, 10:47 AM
we have needs .. dont know there will be anything out there the 1st worth looking at either ...

Saleenman607
08-27-2009, 10:52 AM
With this administration, it'll be a revolving door roster till they're comfortable with what they have at every position. That's cool with me considering the level of suckage the last few years.

King_Chief_Fan
08-27-2009, 11:00 AM
That list is depressing.
Thanks Herm, thanks Carl

Chiefnj2
08-27-2009, 11:03 AM
Has anyone heard even a rumor of WTF is going on with Zach Thomas?

He's up to 35,365 miles on the stationary bike.

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 11:06 AM
He's up to 35,365 miles on the stationary bike.

LMAO

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:06 AM
Teicher, as usual, is clueless.

Count Zarth
08-27-2009, 11:07 AM
He's up to 35,365 miles on the stationary bike.

I think that breaks Croyle's record.

nychief
08-27-2009, 11:07 AM
Toomer's going to make the team, whether it be at the expense of Darling, Engram, Lawrence.

what gives you that impression?

Mr. Kotter
08-27-2009, 11:08 AM
Avery, Robinson, Burton could play out better than our starting 3 WRs by the end of the season. They have a way bigger upside than Bowe, Darling, insert 30 year old something WR here ____, that we will be using.


:spock:



LMAO

Micjones
08-27-2009, 11:12 AM
I'll be shocked if they carry 10 Linebackers & Cornerbacks.
I'll also be shocked if both Lelie and Toomer are cut.
And no FB?

nychief
08-27-2009, 11:14 AM
I'll be shocked if they carry 10 Linebackers & Cornerbacks.
I'll also be shocked if both Lelie and Toomer are cut.
And no FB?

Mike Cox.

wasi
08-27-2009, 11:18 AM
I've been keeping my own 53 prediction and this is the perfect opportunity to share:

QB (3) Matt Cassel, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen

- Thigpen's scrambling ability wins out over Gutierrez. I see Gutierrez getting significant playing time against the Rams and if he plays REAL well he could make the team because IMO he's got more NFL QB potential than Thigpen.

RB (4) Larry Johnson, Jamaal Charles, Dantrell Savage, Jackie Battle
FB (1) Mike Cox

- By the sounds of it, Haley is going to want a returner that just goes straight ahead so Battle makes the team IMO. I thought he did a good job of that against the Vikings.

WR (7) Dwayne Bowe, Devard Darling, Bobby Engram, Mark Bradley, Amani Toomer, Terrance Copper, Quinten Lawrence

- This position is influx and a few of these players are just band-aids until next season

TE (2) Sean Ryan, Brad Cottam

- Whatever..

OL (9) Branden Albert, Brian Waters, Rudy Niswanger, Ikechuku Ndukwe, Damion McIntosh, Barry Richardson, Wade Smith, Andy Alleman, Darryl Harris.

- IMO Niswanger still has to improve significantly the last two games but what else is there at center? IMO he is slightly better than Ghiaciuc as of right now.

DL (5) Ron Edwards, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Tank Tyler, Alex Magee.

- I don't see Boone really offering much to this group other than experience. Potential wins out in the end.

LB (9) Mike Vrabel, Derrick Johnson, Corey Mays, Tamba Hali, Andy Studebaker, Monty Beisel, Zach Thomas, Jovan Belcher, Pierre Walters.

- Turk McBride has stunk but I haven't watched Walters specifically during the games. According to the TC reports Turk's working hard but he looks bad in the open field. Just not agile enough IMO.

DB (10) Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Maurice Leggett, Donald Washington, Travis Daniels, Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard, Jon McGraw, Mike Brown, DaJuan Morgan.

- I don't think Colcough offers anything over Morgan at this point.

Specialists (3) Ryan Succop, Dustin Colquitt, Thomas Gafford

PS (8) Javarris Williams, Jake O’Connell, Colin Brown, Cam Goldberg, Rodney Wright, Bobby Greenwood, Tom Crabtree

- Williams, O'Connell, Brown are locks IMO. Not sure if Wright is eligable.

PUP (1) Kolby Smith (Thomas could be candidate also)

Micjones
08-27-2009, 11:19 AM
Mike Cox.

Just went back and re-read it.
I missed that completely... Haha...

Saleenman607
08-27-2009, 11:25 AM
I'll place my trust in Haley/Pioli for the final 53. I have absolutely no loyalty (yet) to any Chiefs players at this time. Vrable,Succop and Mays are close tho.
These last two games will be more definitive imo. I hope all these players come to kick ass. If not they're gone.

nychief
08-27-2009, 11:35 AM
wasn't Ghiaciuc running with the first team this week? I swore I read that.

wasi
08-27-2009, 11:40 AM
Yes I remember reading that also

JD10367
08-27-2009, 11:42 AM
Yes they do.. How did it ever get this bad? :shake:

:shrug: I'm not a Chiefs fan, but I have a couple of ideas.

http://www.georgeblowfish.com/CarlHermPresser.jpg

Saleenman607
08-27-2009, 11:47 AM
:shrug: I'm not a Chiefs fan, but I have a couple of ideas.

http://www.georgeblowfish.com/CarlHermPresser.jpg

MY EYE'S............ MY EYE'S

notorious
08-27-2009, 11:50 AM
I think that breaks Croyle's record.

Why not? Everything else that has to do with Croyle has been broken.....

MahiMike
08-27-2009, 12:38 PM
QB (3)
Matt Cassel, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen.

Right off the bat this list looks wrong. Hasn't he read about Thigpen being traded? Pioli brought in Guti from New England. He's gotta stay.

WR (5)
Dwayne Bowe, Devard Darling, Bobby Engram, Mark Bradley, Quinten Lawrence.

What? No toomer? I can't believe that. I figured him for our #2 guy.

TE (3)
Sean Ryan, Brad Cottam, Jake O’Connell.

What do we need with 3 TE's? Are they really just OL'men in disguise? We're keeping 9 OL'men. Maybe one of them could catch an occasional pass.

LB (10)
Mike Vrabel, Derrick Johnson, Corey Mays, Tamba Hali, Andy Studebaker, Monty Beisel, Zach Thomas, Turk McBride, Jovan Belcher, Pierre Walters.

Jeez! 10 LB'ers? Are we gonna substitute on every play? I've never heard of Belcher or Pierre. Zach Thomas is just a consultant.

I guess where the article falls down is the special teams breakdown. Without that, it's hard to see how we need more than 43, let alone 53 players.

raybec 4
08-27-2009, 01:18 PM
Why not? Everything else that has to do with Croyle has been broken.....

Except Kelly's hymen

Saleenman607
08-27-2009, 01:21 PM
Except Kelly's hymen

Scandalous...........

Great Expectations
08-27-2009, 01:23 PM
I think that breaks Croyle's record.

That is because being hurt under the Herm regime was like going to a rainbow party compared to what the guys go through now.

Mr. Krab
08-27-2009, 01:39 PM
If Zach Thomas really is hurt and just not taking a break to give Mays time to learn then he's gone or gets put on the pup list to start the season.

wasi
08-27-2009, 02:01 PM
If you've watched the Haley Mic'd up segment there is a moment when he is talking to the entire team about certain players wanting to decide if they want to be in camp or something to that effect and the camera zooms directly onto Thomas. Whether or not that was during the first days of camp when he was still in or not is unknown I just thought it was a funny coincidence.

KCCHIEFS27
08-27-2009, 02:03 PM
Yeah I think Thigpen's on the way out. Gutierrez is more of a fit for the conventional drop-back passing attack.


We actually want to keep a guy that was cut so Andrew Walter could fill his spot?

Chief Faithful
08-27-2009, 02:10 PM
If Zach Thomas really is hurt and just not taking a break to give Mays time to learn then he's gone or gets put on the pup list to start the season.

Can't go on pup if you pass the physical and the injury occured during preseason practice. They have to cut him, put him on the roster, or put him on the injury list. I suspect he will play in the last preseason game and be the game 1 starter.

wasi
08-27-2009, 02:11 PM
We actually want to keep a guy that was cut so Andrew Walter could fill his spot?

IMO, that move didn't necessarily speak negatively of Gutierrez.

Easy 6
08-27-2009, 02:22 PM
Count me among those that wants Toomer to stick, he's a Championship guy who knows what it takes.

Let one of those unproven youngsters go...the world needs ditchdiggers too.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 02:32 PM
Count me among those that wants Toomer to stick, he's a Championship guy who knows what it takes.

Let one of those unproven youngsters go...the world needs ditchdiggers too.

Count me in as well.

I also hope Zach Thomas stays. As much as he is not playing, he provides good solid veteran leadership, with good experience and excellent smarts as a football player.

Frosty
08-27-2009, 02:33 PM
I'm not sure why Engram is considered a lock. He hasn't done anything either in camp or in the preseason games. I would think that Toomer or Lelie would be kept before Engram would.

Count Zarth
08-27-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm not sure why Engram is considered a lock. He hasn't done anything either in camp or in the preseason games. I would think that Toomer or Lelie would be kept before Engram would.

I'm not sure what's going on with Engram. Haley praised him recently for some reason. I have this weird feeling that he's going to surprise a lot of people...like the Chiefs are sort of keeping him a secret.

Halfcan
08-27-2009, 02:35 PM
Man this team needs more talent. Jesus.....

exactly

Easy 6
08-27-2009, 02:36 PM
Count me in as well.

I also hope Zach Thomas stays. As much as he is not playing, he provides good solid veteran leadership, with good experience and excellent smarts as a football player.

Yep, definitely Zach too.

I'm sure he's lost plenty off his fastball, but he can still read an O & tackle. He got a bad rap in Dallas, yet still had something like 94 tackles. Hopefully, most of his struggles there were due to learning the 3-4, now he has a year under his belt in it.

Saccopoo
08-27-2009, 02:43 PM
BTW, Brad Cottam is HORRIBLE. He's as big as a wall and can't catch anything, and is a total puss blocking anywhere on the field.

Jermaine Gresham in the '10 draft! Book it!

RedThat
08-27-2009, 02:51 PM
Man this team needs more talent. Jesus.....

Sometimes the teams that win aren't the best on paper.

This team needs players that can adapt well, are intellegent, that know and understand schemes well enough to do their job. Players that are the "right blend" and a good fit for what the coaches want to do strategically and philosophically. And most importantly, well established relationships amongst each other. something that is very rarely discussed about.

No offense, but I think alot of times we tend to get caught up and focused on the talent issue neglecting our focus on the main thing on what is most important, "team chemistry".

JD10367
08-27-2009, 02:52 PM
I'm not sure what's going on with Engram. Haley praised him recently for some reason. I have this weird feeling that he's going to surprise a lot of people...like the Chiefs are sort of keeping him a secret.

You cannot stop The Engram: you can only hope to contain him.

TFG
08-27-2009, 02:53 PM
Jermaine Gresham in the '10 draft! Book it!


Titans are sitting on Scaife, Jared Cook, Crumpler, and Craig Stevens, with the last two perhaps "on the bubble." Stevens is a great blocker, perhaps even worth a check for trade now. The Titans also have too many receivers, not that any are really that good, but there will be some good names likely cut.

Hopefully the Skins will cut Edwin Williams, and the Lions and Rams will pass on claiming him. Williams is the C the Chiefs need to neutralize NTs in the "new" AFC West. Williams had some practice as Maryland's C, facing off against Raji and Brace and holding up quite well and anchoring against real power. The Packers may also cut some interesting OLs.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 02:55 PM
Yep, definitely Zach too.

I'm sure he's lost plenty off his fastball, but he can still read an O & tackle. He got a bad rap in Dallas, yet still had something like 94 tackles. Hopefully, most of his struggles there were due to learning the 3-4, now he has a year under his belt in it.

Yup I believe he can still do that. And that was one of this teams biggest struggles last year.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 03:01 PM
Count me in as well.

I also hope Zach Thomas stays. As much as he is not playing, he provides good solid veteran leadership, with good experience and excellent smarts as a football player.

Stupid.

You'd like the Chiefs to reserve a crucial roster spot for an over-the-hill, soon to be 37 year old who won't see the field?

FuckThat.

As for Toomer, he signed with a team that has the worst receiving corp in the NFL and he hasn't done a damn thing. I'd rather the spot go to someone else with a future.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 03:02 PM
Sometimes the teams that win aren't the best on paper.



That may be true but JFC, this team is so devoid of talent, it's scary.

Do you realize that the Chiefs offensive line is so bad that they traded a draft pick to Miami for two guys they were going to cut on Tuesday?

The Chiefs are going to suck ass this year because their roster lacks talent and depth at nearly every position.

Saccopoo
08-27-2009, 03:06 PM
And I'll be stunned if Lelie isn't on the 53 man roster as devoid of WR talent as this team is. He's 29, still got speed, is a big target and has been a victim of three really bad coaching situations in Atlanta, San Fran and Oakland.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 03:15 PM
Toomer will stay and a lber will go....

No shit. That's a stupid thing for Teicher to post. Toomer is a no-brainer.

Easy 6
08-27-2009, 03:15 PM
Stupid.

You'd like the Chiefs to reserve a crucial roster spot for an over-the-hill, soon to be 37 year old who won't see the field?

****That.

As for Toomer, he signed with a team that has the worst receiving corp in the NFL and he hasn't done a damn thing. I'd rather the spot go to someone else with a future.

Granted, Thomas' best days are gone...but who's gonna take that spot & produce any better? He's been dinged up pretty good lately, but is there some info that says he wont be ready?

With Toomer, the guys been here all of what, 3 weeks? I say give him a 'lil more time before making the call. Who's the young guy thats gonna give more on & off the field?

Halfcan
08-27-2009, 03:16 PM
No shit. That's a stupid thing for Teicher to post. Toomer is a no-brainer.

yep I figured he was a lock too

Easy 6
08-27-2009, 03:16 PM
And I'll be stunned if Lelie isn't on the 53 man roster as devoid of WR talent as this team is. He's 29, still got speed, is a big target and has been a victim of three really bad coaching situations in Atlanta, San Fran and Oakland.

Good points all.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 03:17 PM
And I'll be stunned if Lelie isn't on the 53 man roster as devoid of WR talent as this team is. He's 29, still got speed, is a big target and has been a victim of three really bad coaching situations in Atlanta, San Fran and Oakland.

Not as much of a given as Toomer, but Haley's last remarks suggest he's ok.

Saccopoo
08-27-2009, 03:17 PM
That may be true but JFC, this team is so devoid of talent, it's scary.

Do you realize that the Chiefs offensive line is so bad that they traded a draft pick to Miami for two guys they were going to cut on Tuesday?

The Chiefs are going to suck ass this year because their roster lacks talent and depth at nearly every position.

Other than the starters in the defensive backfield, Cassel, Bowe, Albert and question marks on Dorsey, Tyler, Mays, Jackson and McGee, the rest of the positions could all use upgrades. This team needs about four really solid drafts in a row. It's a shame this past one looks to be a complete waste. Time will tell, but I think Pioli screwed the pooch on his first draft. Perhaps it had to do the the organizational transition, but I think it hurt this club bad.

wasi
08-27-2009, 03:17 PM
Stupid.

You'd like the Chiefs to reserve a crucial roster spot for an over-the-hill, soon to be 37 year old who won't see the field?

****That.

As for Toomer, he signed with a team that has the worst receiving corp in the NFL and he hasn't done a damn thing. I'd rather the spot go to someone else with a future.

I agree with your take on Thomas but disagree about Toomer.

I'm starting to wonder whether or not Thomas was brought in because initially the plan on defense was to mix in more 4-3 and now with him out it's given the opportunity to get away from that and that's why we've seen a lot of straight 3-4 this preseason. Perhaps the bad rap, as someone called it, that Thomas got in the Dallas 3-4 scheme was actually fact.

I see Toomer as an asset this season. He hasn't show much but he hasn't been thrown the ball a lot either. He had a nice catch from Croyle against the Vikes, and IMO Haley is pretty confident that he knows what he will get from Toomer. I don't see many of those young guys on the roster right now that have shown they deserve a roster spot because they have a future as you put it. Lawrence had a nice reverse with a little juke that was good but Tauras Johnson I can't remember being given much chance. Rodney Wright had some nice catches against Houston so he might have a future.

Frosty
08-27-2009, 03:23 PM
It's really too bad that the Chiefs didn't draft Sammie Stroughter instead of Lawrence. They would have the returner position sewn up and have an excellent slot receiver that runs good routes and absolutely does not drop the ball. Sammie is also good on the kick coverage teams and is a good blocker in the run game. He has been the talk of the Tampa draft.

milkman
08-27-2009, 03:28 PM
Teicher, as usual, is clueless.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read this list.

Sadly, WPI writers look like geniuses next to this clown.

Halfcan
08-27-2009, 03:28 PM
looks like our punt and kick off returns will suck again this year

milkman
08-27-2009, 03:31 PM
I've been keeping my own 53 prediction and this is the perfect opportunity to share:

QB (3) Matt Cassel, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen

- Thigpen's scrambling ability wins out over Gutierrez. I see Gutierrez getting significant playing time against the Rams and if he plays REAL well he could make the team because IMO he's got more NFL QB potential than Thigpen.

RB (4) Larry Johnson, Jamaal Charles, Dantrell Savage, Jackie Battle
FB (1) Mike Cox

- By the sounds of it, Haley is going to want a returner that just goes straight ahead so Battle makes the team IMO. I thought he did a good job of that against the Vikings.

WR (7) Dwayne Bowe, Devard Darling, Bobby Engram, Mark Bradley, Amani Toomer, Terrance Copper, Quinten Lawrence

- This position is influx and a few of these players are just band-aids until next season

TE (2) Sean Ryan, Brad Cottam

- Whatever..

OL (9) Branden Albert, Brian Waters, Rudy Niswanger, Ikechuku Ndukwe, Damion McIntosh, Barry Richardson, Wade Smith, Andy Alleman, Darryl Harris.

- IMO Niswanger still has to improve significantly the last two games but what else is there at center? IMO he is slightly better than Ghiaciuc as of right now.

DL (5) Ron Edwards, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Tank Tyler, Alex Magee.

- I don't see Boone really offering much to this group other than experience. Potential wins out in the end.

LB (9) Mike Vrabel, Derrick Johnson, Corey Mays, Tamba Hali, Andy Studebaker, Monty Beisel, Zach Thomas, Jovan Belcher, Pierre Walters.

- Turk McBride has stunk but I haven't watched Walters specifically during the games. According to the TC reports Turk's working hard but he looks bad in the open field. Just not agile enough IMO.

DB (10) Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Maurice Leggett, Donald Washington, Travis Daniels, Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard, Jon McGraw, Mike Brown, DaJuan Morgan.

- I don't think Colcough offers anything over Morgan at this point.

Specialists (3) Ryan Succop, Dustin Colquitt, Thomas Gafford

PS (8) Javarris Williams, Jake O’Connell, Colin Brown, Cam Goldberg, Rodney Wright, Bobby Greenwood, Tom Crabtree

- Williams, O'Connell, Brown are locks IMO. Not sure if Wright is eligable.

PUP (1) Kolby Smith (Thomas could be candidate also)

Colin Brown will never clear waivers.

wasi
08-27-2009, 03:48 PM
Colin Brown will never clear waivers.

If that's the case I'd do do one of the following to get Brown past the waiver period.

try to trade Thigpen, carry 2 QB's with Gutierrez onto the PS. Add Brown and carry 10 linemen.

drop/trade one of McGraw, Brown or Morgan. Probably McGraw as he's only around for ST play and it looks like the Chiefs will play a lot of starters there anyway. I like Brown and Morgan is still young and missed early camp. Add Brown and then PS him.

cut Engram, add Brown and possibly resign Engram

nychief
08-27-2009, 04:09 PM
Time will tell, but I think Pioli screwed the pooch on his first draft. Perhaps it had to do the the organizational transition, but I think it hurt this club bad.


This is fucking idiotic. These guys have not played a regular season game yet. If you want to bitch about the draft - look at 2008. That is shaping up as another shit sandwich - and that after the Draftnix bukake fest over it.

nychief
08-27-2009, 04:11 PM
also.... colin brown would clear waivers. he wasn't even supposed to be drafted and is big work in progress. lets be honest if you can't make the chiefs, you can't make any team.

googlegoogle
08-27-2009, 04:14 PM
Not trusting this list completely.

Teicher isn't as connected anymore with this regime.

He's just guessing.

Rain Man
08-27-2009, 04:22 PM
I'd be really surprised and disappointed if McBride didn't make the team. Before his injury last year, he was our best defensive lineman.

Count Zarth
08-27-2009, 04:25 PM
I'd be really surprised and disappointed if McBride didn't make the team. Before his injury last year, he was our best defensive lineman.

At what? Getting his ass beat up and down the field?

Rain Man
08-27-2009, 04:28 PM
At what? Getting his ass beat up and down the field?

Don't make me stop this car.

Look at Turk McBride last year. He hustled, and he came as close to making plays as any other d-lineman on the roster.

Easy 6
08-27-2009, 04:29 PM
and he came as close to making plays as any other d-lineman on the roster.

LMAO

Count Zarth
08-27-2009, 04:31 PM
Don't make me stop this car.

Look at Turk McBride last year. He hustled, and he came as close to making plays as any other d-lineman on the roster.

Dear god. He's the Tyler Thigpen of defensive ends.

wasi
08-27-2009, 04:39 PM
I'd be really surprised and disappointed if McBride didn't make the team. Before his injury last year, he was our best defensive lineman.

On at least two occassions this preseason he's been one-on-one in the open field and has failed. I'm not expecting a guy to make a tackle everytime when your one on one but Turk's just looked bad, he just doesn't have the dexterity to play OLB. The closer we get to the season it's looking more and more likely that the D will play 3-4 only. The more likely that becomes I think Turk's chances of making the team diminish.

Saccopoo
08-27-2009, 04:42 PM
It's really too bad that the Chiefs didn't draft Sammie Stroughter instead of Lawrence. They would have the returner position sewn up and have an excellent slot receiver that runs good routes and absolutely does not drop the ball. Sammie is also good on the kick coverage teams and is a good blocker in the run game. He has been the talk of the Tampa draft.

I'm still irate that the Chief's didn't pick up Austin Collie in the fourth. As obviously desperate as we were for quality wideouts, and he's going to start as the Colts slot guy this next season.

But I could say the same thing on just about every single round of the Chiefs draft other than Jackson, who looks okay at this point.

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 04:45 PM
Here's my prediction on the final 53:

Somewhere between 5-8 guys are not on the roster right now.

Rain Man
08-27-2009, 04:48 PM
Bah. Fie on you people. Turk has potential, and he was starting to live up to it.

The scheme change obviously works against him, though at 285 and as a former DT in college I'm still surprised they moved him to LB instead of DE.

If the Chiefs cut him, someone else will pick him up immediately and he'll have a solid career. You can put that in the bank at a 5.45% APR.

soundmind
08-27-2009, 04:57 PM
A cumulative look at this roster certainly does induce an ill stomach...I can't find a 3rd OLineman who should be starting for an NFL team, and it all starts up front. We'd better address that before anything. EVERYTHING starts up front, and that OL roster is SAD.

Saccopoo
08-27-2009, 04:57 PM
This is ****ing idiotic. These guys have not played a regular season game yet. If you want to bitch about the draft - look at 2008. That is shaping up as another shit sandwich - and that after the Draftnix bukake fest over it.

Dorsey should have a better year than last, and his numbers weren't too bad for a rookie DT last season. Albert had as good a season at LT as you can expect from a guy. Flowers and Carr are our starting cornerbacks and both are quite good, especially considering that this will be only their second season. Charles is our best running back. That's a pretty solid draft if you ask me.

At this point, I don't see anyone other than Jackson, Magee and Succop making the team, and the Chiefs could have addressed more glaring needs with the other selections. (Including the Magee pick.)

JASONSAUTO
08-27-2009, 04:58 PM
Here's my prediction on the final 53:

Somewhere between 5-8 guys are not on the roster right now.

i agree with you here. we will be scouring the waiver wires

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 04:59 PM
i agree with you here. we will be scouring the waiver wires

There's more than one?

Saccopoo
08-27-2009, 05:00 PM
Bah. Fie on you people. Turk has potential, and he was starting to live up to it.

The scheme change obviously works against him, though at 285 and as a former DT in college I'm still surprised they moved him to LB instead of DE.

If the Chiefs cut him, someone else will pick him up immediately and he'll have a solid career. You can put that in the bank at a 5.45% APR.

I agree. Why isn't he at DE? Having him play at the OLB position is retarded.

soundmind
08-27-2009, 05:01 PM
Bah. Fie on you people. Turk has potential, and he was starting to live up to it.

The scheme change obviously works against him, though at 285 and as a former DT in college I'm still surprised they moved him to LB instead of DE.

If the Chiefs cut him, someone else will pick him up immediately and he'll have a solid career. You can put that in the bank at a 5.45% APR.

I was curious about that too, at his size, why LB instead of DE? I'm assuming they saw something we didn't, but whatever...defense is improving, which is a move in the right direction - and if they cut Turk, someone will most definitely pick him up. They should be trying to find a way to get rid of Boone and Edwards....need a fat boy in return somehow, but they're awful.

soundmind
08-27-2009, 05:03 PM
There's more than one?

Series uh' tubes man.

veist
08-27-2009, 05:46 PM
Here's my prediction on the final 53:

Somewhere between 5-8 guys are not on the roster right now.

Hell, if the right guys get cut it could be more is the sad thing.

milkman
08-27-2009, 06:19 PM
also.... colin brown would clear waivers. he wasn't even supposed to be drafted and is big work in progress. lets be honest if you can't make the chiefs, you can't make any team.

It really doesn't make a damn bit of difference oif he was supposed to be drafted or not.

He is a work in progress at guard, but he has shown real promise and a team with some decent depth that wants to groom a potential player at that position in a year will claim him.

He has played really well given his limited experience as a guard.

When we drafted him, I was pissed, because he's a suckass RT that shouldn't have been drafted.

But he's going to be a hell of a guard, a transition I wouldn't have considered, given his height.

If he and Daryl Harris don't make this team, it will be a fucking tragedy.

milkman
08-27-2009, 06:20 PM
I'd be really surprised and disappointed if McBride didn't make the team. Before his injury last year, he was our best defensive lineman.

And now, he's just a slow plodding LB.

TFG
08-27-2009, 07:15 PM
It really doesn't make a damn bit of difference oif he was supposed to be drafted or not.

He is a work in progress at guard, but he has shown real promise and a team with some decent depth that wants to groom a potential player at that position in a year will claim him.

He has played really well given his limited experience as a guard.

When we drafted him, I was pissed, because he's a suckass RT that shouldn't have been drafted.

But he's going to be a hell of a guard, a transition I wouldn't have considered, given his height.

If he and Daryl Harris don't make this team, it will be a ****ing tragedy.



Darryl Harris cannot possibly make the team, since Kent Babb, Bob Gretz, and the rest have yet to notice he exists... LMAO

RippedmyFlesh
08-27-2009, 08:18 PM
How many teams go with five WRs? I think Toomer stays, if only because of his veteran presence and abilities (old and slow they might have become).
At least 6 maybe 7 I think. Esp after reading this a few days ago

Q: Does that put more focus on the wedge guys now, the tight ends, linebackers…
HALEY: “Little more mobile. You’ll see more wide receivers on the cover team or those types of bodies. I don’t know how it’s going to turn out but I think it’s going to be an interesting thing to watch.”

RedThat
08-27-2009, 09:28 PM
Stupid.

You'd like the Chiefs to reserve a crucial roster spot for an over-the-hill, soon to be 37 year old who won't see the field?

****That.

As for Toomer, he signed with a team that has the worst receiving corp in the NFL and he hasn't done a damn thing. I'd rather the spot go to someone else with a future.

I'd love to have Zach Thomas here. Whats the worse that can happen? Mays has had a good camp, and preseason, if his good play continues he might beat out Thomas and win the starting job.

What if Mays plays well, or his play begins to slip during the regular season at least you have a veteran who can fill the void and is capable of doing the job. Im not even looking at the age. You gotta change your focus man. You look at the positives and what he brings to this football team. At least the MLB position is improved with capable starters and good depth. Ok not something to drop your jaw over, but, some positives. what if Mays plays well or even bad, at least you have a veteran who knows the position well and can mentor him and help him develop into a solid MLB down the road.

Plus Thomas only signed a one-year deal anyways? Its not like they're relying on him longterm. It's better then nothing. Do you want scrubs starting there. Would like Pat Thomas starting there? Heck, be more grateful at least you have corey Mays and Zach Thomas which is an upgrade compared to last season. Are you going to find a better MLB out there in the market? If so, who?

I don't know about you, but at least I feel more comfortable that they patched up the MLB position this year, and knowing they can even do a better job of improving it for next year in FA or draft.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 09:37 PM
That may be true but JFC, this team is so devoid of talent, it's scary.

Do you realize that the Chiefs offensive line is so bad that they traded a draft pick to Miami for two guys they were going to cut on Tuesday?

The Chiefs are going to suck ass this year because their roster lacks talent and depth at nearly every position.

Honestly, give them a chance before making that statement. how do you know they're going to suck this year?

Because they lack talent? thats your reason to support your statement. Why are you so quick to judge man? Are you a pessimist?

*Im sure many people said the Dolphins were going to suck last year too. Im sure many people said New England was going suck the first year they won the superbowl! Its a league of parody and guess what? Im gonna clue you in on something, you never know.

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 09:37 PM
I'd love to have Zach Thomas here. Whats the worse that can happen? Mays has had a good camp, and preseason, if his good play continues he might beat out Thomas and win the starting job.

What if Mays plays well, or his play begins to slip during the regular season at least you have a veteran who can fill the void and is capable of doing the job. Im not even looking at the age. You gotta change your focus man. You look at the positives and what he brings to this football team. At least the MLB position is improved with capable starters and good depth. Ok not something to drop your jaw over, but, some positives. what if Mays plays well or even bad, at least you have a veteran who knows the position well and can mentor him and help him develop into a solid MLB down the road.

Plus Thomas only signed a one-year deal anyways? Its not like they're relying on him longterm. It's better then nothing. Do you want scrubs starting there. Would like Pat Thomas starting there? Heck, be more grateful at least you have corey Mays and Zach Thomas which is an upgrade compared to last season. Are you going to find a better MLB out there in the market? If so, who?

I don't know about you, but at least I feel more comfortable that they patched up the MLB position this year, and knowing they can even do a better job of improving it for next year in FA or draft.

It's arguable that Thomas isn't much of an upgrade even when he's healthy - he was a trainwreck in Dallas last year.

But he's guaranteed not to be an upgrade when he's spent the last 4 fucking weeks on a goddamn stationary bike.

Cut his ass, bring in someone who can see the fucking field, and lets move on.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 09:42 PM
It's arguable that Thomas isn't much of an upgrade even when he's healthy - he was a trainwreck in Dallas last year.

But he's guaranteed not to be an upgrade when he's spent the last 4 ****ing weeks on a goddamn stationary bike.

Cut his ass, bring in someone who can see the ****ing field, and lets move on.

Who are we going to get in the FA market thats better?

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 09:46 PM
Who are we going to get in the FA market thats better?



Who says we have to grab another LB right away?

Play Mays, and see who is cut in the next week or two.

Christ, don't act like missing Thomas would be this huge loss - he's contributed ZERO.

Finding someone "better" just means finding someone who can actually find the field.

veist
08-27-2009, 09:48 PM
Who are we going to get in the FA market thats better?

I dunno, I'd guess GB and Baltimore both cut some LBers that are better than him.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 09:54 PM
Who says we have to grab another LB right away?

Play Mays, and see who is cut in the next week or two.

Christ, don't act like missing Thomas would be this huge loss - he's contributed ZERO.

Finding someone "better" just means finding someone who can actually find the field.

Even if he doesn't play, its still good to have a guy that can provide your team with good presence in the locker room, and can mentor the younger guys at that position.

Anyway, I think he is gonna play. His body is a little dinged, and at 36 thats normal. I can only think the Chiefs are resting him up to get him ready when it counts. Imo, if they cut him, they would've already done it.

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 09:58 PM
Even if he doesn't play, its still good to have a guy that can provide your team with good presence in the locker room, and can mentor the younger guys at that position.

Anyway, I think he is gonna play. His body is a little dinged, and at 36 thats normal. I can only think the Chiefs are resting him up to get him ready when it counts. Imo, if they cut him, they would've already done it.

Are you kidding me?

You're going to spend a valuable roster spot on a guy for nothing more than a locker room presence?

Isn't that what you brought Vrabel in to do? Engram? Toomer? Brown?

Roster spots are like gold bricks. You don't just give them away.

DeezNutz
08-27-2009, 09:59 PM
Roster spots are like gold bricks. You don't just give them away.

Correct, you shit them when you're Pioli and see how devoid of talent we are.

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 10:09 PM
Correct, you shit them when you're Pioli and see how devoid of talent we are.

http://i27.tinypic.com/ftklfn.jpg

ChiTown
08-27-2009, 10:13 PM
That's the worst collection of TE's that I have EVER seen on a Chiefs roster. Good gawd!

LMAO

DeezNutz
08-27-2009, 10:14 PM
http://i27.tinypic.com/ftklfn.jpg

LMAO

RedThat
08-27-2009, 10:31 PM
Are you kidding me?

You're going to spend a valuable roster spot on a guy for nothing more than a locker room presence?

Isn't that what you brought Vrabel in to do? Engram? Toomer? Brown?

Roster spots are like gold bricks. You don't just give them away.

Better to have a roster spot reserved for a player who can give you something in the locker room and provide good depth, or possibly start then some other journeyman type player. Thats the way I see it.

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 10:34 PM
Better to have a roster spot reserved for a player who can give you something in the locker room and provide good depth, or possibly start then some other journeyman type player. Thats the way I see it.

He can't provide depth if he's injured.

What part of that do you not get?

RedThat
08-27-2009, 10:43 PM
He can't provide depth if he's injured.

What part of that do you not get?

He will play they are resting him up for the regular season.

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 10:50 PM
He will play they are resting him up for the regular season.

ROFL

OK.

Not a single snap in the preseason, but he'll play, and play well.

Hell, he hasn't even gotten off the bike. Not even individual drills.

But he'll play.

Got it.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 10:52 PM
Honestly, give them a chance before making that statement. how do you know they're going to suck this year?

Are you fucking kidding me?

This is a team that has THREE winning seasons out of the last TEN. They're 6-26 the past two seasons. The roster is completely DEVOID of talent and depth.

They traded away 1,000 receiving yards and 10 TD's. Who's going to replace that? They switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 without the proper personnel. The wide receivers suck ass. The running backs suck ass. The offensive is so fucking bad that the Chiefs traded for TWO guys with one draft choice that were going to be CUT on Tuesday.

Where's the impact game-changer on defense? Where's the WR that will stretch the field and open the running lanes? WHERE'S THE FUCKING RIGHT TACKLE?

Because they lack talent? thats your reason to support your statement.

Uh, YES, Dumbshit

Why are you so quick to judge man? Are you a pessimist?

I'm a REALIST, Dumbshit.

*Im sure many people said the Dolphins were going to suck last year too.

Note to FuckThat: The Dolphins beat TWO teams with a winning record. The Patriots early and the Jets (with Favre's fucked up arm) in the final week. They were annilated against the Ravens. They are NOT a good team, nor are they built for the future.

Im sure many people said New England was going suck the first year they won the superbowl!

Are you 12? Do you go to bed at night and dream of rainbows and unicorns?

Its a league of parody

No, it's not. And the only "parody" here is you, Dumbass.

BTW, it's "Parity".

and guess what? Im gonna clue you in on something, you never know.

Cleary, you don't know jack fucking shit about the NFL.

I, on the other hand, predicted that the Chiefs would be 2-14 in May 2008.

So ONE of us knows something.

Dumbfuck.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 10:53 PM
He will play they are resting him up for the regular season.

You are beyond naive

OnTheWarpath58
08-27-2009, 10:58 PM
Are you 12? Do you go to bed at night and dream of rainbows and unicorns?

LMAO



No, it's not. And the only "parody" here is you, Dumbass.

BTW, it's "Parity".


Dammit, Dane. You should have let that go, I laugh every fucking time he spells it like that.

Reminds me of, "when you get a team down, you go for the juggler."

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:08 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me?

This is a team that has THREE winning seasons out of the last TEN. They're 6-26 the past two seasons. The roster is completely DEVOID of talent and depth.

They traded away 1,000 receiving yards and 10 TD's. Who's going to replace that? They switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 without the proper personnel. The wide receivers suck ass. The running backs suck ass. The offensive is so ****ing bad that the Chiefs traded for TWO guys with one draft choice that were going to be CUT on Tuesday.

Where's the impact game-changer on defense? Where's the WR that will stretch the field and open the running lanes? WHERE'S THE ****ING RIGHT TACKLE?



Uh, YES, Dumbshit



I'm a REALIST, Dumbshit.



Note to ****That: The Dolphins beat TWO teams with a winning record. The Patriots early and the Jets (with Favre's ****ed up arm) in the final week. They were annilated against the Ravens. They are NOT a good team, nor are they built for the future.



Are you 12? Do you go to bed at night and dream of rainbows and unicorns?



No, it's not. And the only "parody" here is you, Dumbass.

BTW, it's "Parity".



Cleary, you don't know jack ****ing shit about the NFL.

I, on the other hand, predicted that the Chiefs would be 2-14 in May 2008.

So ONE of us knows something.

Dumb****.

i believe this team was 2-14 last year because the coaching was awful. A lot of the coaching and playcalling on this team, and the way they utilized its players were to complete disadvantage to the players. The chiefs had the worst coaching staff in the league last year. The players lost belief in the coaching staff last year you could see it. i think alot of players on this team are better then what we seen of them last year. I think you'll see alot of improvement in alot of these guys. The key is todd Haley, getting rid of Carl will help. You'd be surprised what a different attitude and mindset from a new regime can bring to an organization. you'd be surprised what good playcalling and proper utilization of players can do.

just because the talent level is not as good as you think it is doesn't mean it couldn't get better? don't hold out hope man, anything is possible.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:09 PM
ROFL

OK.

Not a single snap in the preseason, but he'll play, and play well.

Hell, he hasn't even gotten off the bike. Not even individual drills.

But he'll play.

Got it.

Thomas will play.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:15 PM
just because the talent level is not as good as you think it is doesn't mean it couldn't get better? don't hold out hope man, anything is possible.

You're stupid.

This team will be far better coached, they'll be in far better condition and Haley will manage the clock to perfection.

But, the game is played on the field.

Unlike Miami, the Chiefs don't have a defensive player that will put up 16+ sacks. Unlike Atlanta, the Chiefs don't have a young, solid and very good offensive line blocking for a young and hungry RB that puts up nearly 1,600 yards.

The Chiefs are devoid of talent and depth at EVERY position.

No amount of coaching will change that.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:16 PM
Thomas will play.

With his kids in his backyard.

He's not stepping on the NFL field this year.

At least not with the Chiefs.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:25 PM
You're stupid.

This team will be far better coached, they'll be in far better condition and Haley will manage the clock to perfection.

But, the game is played on the field.

Unlike Miami, the Chiefs don't have a defensive player that will put up 16+ sacks. Unlike Atlanta, the Chiefs don't have a young, solid and very good offensive line blocking for a young and hungry RB that puts up nearly 1,600 yards.

The Chiefs are devoid of talent and depth at EVERY position.

No amount of coaching will change that.

Yeah and good coaching better conditioning trancends to better play from the players.

It's not all talent.

It's about team chemistry and having things go right for your team in every possible way.

You don't have to have a 16 sack plus guy. I understand you need to get to the QB, but, they can do it as a team.

Whos to say there offensive line can't be good? they do have some solid guys there? Albert, Waters, and Goff are capable of doing the job. richardson who knows? give him a chance you never know.

Ok, LJ Im not too pleased about. Because Im convinced his heart isn't in it. but I still think they'll be ok there. The running game does concern me mainly because of LJ. Hopefully Battle or Charles can step it up.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:26 PM
Yeah and good coaching better conditioning trancends to better play from the players.

It's not all talent.


I'm done with you and this topic.

Without a doubt, you are the fucking dumbest motherfucking person, male or female, regardless of age or topic, to EVER post on this forum.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:26 PM
With his kids in his backyard.

He's not stepping on the NFL field this year.

At least not with the Chiefs.

Yes he will

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:28 PM
I'm done with you and this topic.

Without a doubt, you are the ****ing dumbest mother****ing person, male or female, regardless of age or topic, to EVER post on this forum.

And you're supposively this genious who knows better?

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:33 PM
And you're supposively this genious who knows better?

Are you the son of Barry's Koolaid? Are you related?

I've never met anyone more ignorant about football or the NFL than you.

salame
08-27-2009, 11:36 PM
is zack thomas dead?

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:41 PM
Are you the son of Barry's Koolaid? Are you related?

I've never met anyone more ignorant about football or the NFL than you.

Whos ignorant? you're the one who is criticizing and calling names.

im just giving my opinions dane. even though our opinions may be different, hey to each his own man. I think its a shame for you to get all angry and fussed up about it.

relax man. lets not get personal its just a topic and were in disagreement. thats all.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:44 PM
im just giving my opinions dane.

Your "opinion" is not fact-based.

It's the "opinion" of an uneducated fan. I've disputed each of your "opinions" with facts, yet you refuse to address those posts.

You continue to spew your "opinion", which is little more than hope and lollipops.

In short, you're a football moron.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:46 PM
Your "opinion" is not fact-based.

It's the "opinion" of an uneducated fan. I've disputed each of your "opinions" with facts, yet you refuse to address those posts.

You continue to spew your "opinion", which is little more than hope and lollipops.

In short, you're a football moron.

ok enough man. you have your opinion. so stop being a jerk.

DaneMcCloud
08-27-2009, 11:50 PM
ok enough man. you have your opinion. so stop being a jerk.

You're fucking dumb.

Do you understand the difference between "opinion" and fact?

What the fuck? Are you 14? Or are you just a dumb person, incapable of learning or improving your knowledge?

JFC.

RedThat
08-27-2009, 11:53 PM
You're ****ing dumb.

Do you understand the difference between "opinion" and fact?

What the ****? Are you 14? Or are you just a dumb person, incapable of learning or improving your knowledge?

JFC.

I said you have your opinion on me by calling me a football moron. Thats what I meant.

Do you wanna kick me to the curb and continue to act like a jerk? Enough is enough Im done.

Chocolate Hog
08-27-2009, 11:54 PM
Jackie Battle shouldn't make the team.

DaneMcCloud
08-28-2009, 12:01 AM
Im done.

Domo Arigato, stupid motherfucker

BWillie
08-28-2009, 01:01 AM
This guy is smokin' a dick if he doesn't think either Lelie or Toomer will make this team. Our wide receivers suck f*cking balls except for DBO.

dj56dt58
08-28-2009, 01:32 AM
And no FB?

Why bother?

KCrockaholic
08-28-2009, 01:38 AM
How could Cottam be the odd man out in our TE group? WTF!!! Other than Cottam our TEs have zero talent.

veist
08-28-2009, 02:33 AM
The Chiefs are devoid of talent and depth at EVERY position.

No amount of coaching will change that. Way to exaggerate things (though sadly not that much). I mean, yeah the roster is bad but there is certainly _some_ talent there.

OnTheWarpath58
08-31-2009, 07:49 PM
Even if he doesn't play, its still good to have a guy that can provide your team with good presence in the locker room, and can mentor the younger guys at that position.

Anyway, I think he is gonna play. His body is a little dinged, and at 36 thats normal. I can only think the Chiefs are resting him up to get him ready when it counts. Imo, if they cut him, they would've already done it.

Better to have a roster spot reserved for a player who can give you something in the locker room and provide good depth, or possibly start then some other journeyman type player. Thats the way I see it.

He will play they are resting him up for the regular season.

Thomas will play.

With his kids in his backyard.

He's not stepping on the NFL field this year.

At least not with the Chiefs.

Yes he will

LMAO