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mikey23545
08-27-2009, 12:08 PM
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petegz28
08-27-2009, 12:33 PM
I bet if the guy was voting for him he never would have asked for ID!!!!!

What a crock of fucking bullshit!

headsnap
08-27-2009, 12:44 PM
they are starting to believe their own lies...







what the hell do I mean starting?!?!:doh!:

Brock
08-27-2009, 12:52 PM
Fox news, it never happened.

orange
08-27-2009, 01:04 PM
Healthcare and Abortion: Randall Terry Leads Protests and Press Conferences in
10 Cities in Five States

List of cities and times below. Team will travel in a Motor Coach

Terry and other advocates will be filming comedy commercials against "Obama's
Death Care," including costumes, props and images. Go to www.OverturnRoe.com
for more details

WASHINGTON, Aug. 20 The following was released today by Randall Terry,
Director, Operation Rescue Insurrecta Nex:

"It is refreshing to see the rage expressed at 'town hall meetings.' However,
much of this anger is not about child-killing. It's about the cost of the
bill, or rationing, or if we can keep our current plan, or about treatments
for the elderly. Our goal is to keep child-killing and euthanasia in the
center of this debate until any vestige of taxpayers paying for murder is
gone.

"We couldn't decide on a name for the tour - there were so many to choose
from. The ideas included:

The 'Kill Granny' Tour;
Kill babies early - before they need Health Care;
Obama Health Care - Bringing Hope and Change One Dead Patient at a Time;
Death Takes a Steroid;
The Obama Death Express."


Friday, August 21

Roanoke, VA Friday 9:15 am

Senator Warner's Office (D)

129B Salem Avenue, SW, Roanoke, VA 24011


Greensboro, NC Friday 12:15 pm

Congressman Howard Cable's Office (R)

2102 North Elm Street, Suite B, Greensboro, NC 27408-5100



Asheville, NC, Friday 4:00 pm

Congressman Heath Shuler (D)

356 Biltmore Ave., Suite 400, Asheville, NC 28801


Saturday, August 22


Knoxville, TN Saturday 10 am

Senator Lamar Alexander (R)

800 Market St # 112, Knoxville, TN 37902-2303


Chatanooga, TN Saturday 1:30

Senator Lamar Alexander (R)
900 Georgia Ave # 260 Chattanooga, TN 37402-2240


Sunday, August 23


Nashville, TN Sunday 1 - 3pm

Congressman Jim Cooper's Office (D)

605 Church Street, Nashville, TN 37219


Monday, August 24


Louisville, KY Monday, 9:30 am

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R)

601 W. Broadway Room 630, Louisville, KY 40202



Lexington, KY Monday, 12 noon

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R)

771 Corporate Drive Suite 108, Lexington, KY 40503



Charleston, WV Monday, 4pm

Senator Byrd (D)

300 Virginia St E # 2630, Charleston, WV 25301-2535



Tuesday, August 25


Reston, VA, Tuesday, 5 - 9:00pm

Town Hall Meeting with Rep. Jim Moran with DNC Chrm Howard Dean

South Lakes High School, Auditorium 11400 South Lakes Dr., Reston, VA, 20191


SOURCE Randall Terry, Director, Operation Rescue Insurrecta Nex

Kathy Veritas, +1-904-687-9804, for Randall Terry, Director, Operation Rescue
Insurrecta Nex

mikey23545
08-27-2009, 01:05 PM
Yeah, pretty ironic that the party that refuses to make voters show ID's at the polls to prove they are eligible voters requires people to show ID's before they are granted an audience....

mikey23545
08-27-2009, 01:07 PM
And as usual, Orange with a completely irrelevant post...ROFL

wild1
08-27-2009, 01:08 PM
Yeah, pretty ironic that the party that refuses to make voters show ID's at the polls to prove they are eligible voters requires people to show ID's before they are granted an audience....

Off to Room 101 with you.

orange
08-27-2009, 01:09 PM
And as usual, Orange with a completely irrelevant post...ROFL

The whole thing was stage-managed. You'll be able to see the commercials soon.

And as usual, you are completely duped and manipulated and PROUD OF IT!

2bikemike
08-27-2009, 01:15 PM
The whole thing was stage-managed. You'll be able to see the commercials soon.

And as usual, you are completely duped and manipulated and PROUD OF IT!

Kind of the way Obama staged the little girl in where ever it was.

And as usual, you are completely duped and manipulated and PROUD OF IT!

thecoffeeguy
08-27-2009, 01:19 PM
The whole thing was stage-managed. You'll be able to see the commercials soon.

And as usual, you are completely duped and manipulated and PROUD OF IT!

Are you serious? :eek:

thecoffeeguy
08-27-2009, 01:19 PM
Kind of the way Obama staged the little girl in where ever it was.

And as usual, you are completely duped and manipulated and PROUD OF IT!


That was ridiculous. That was not the only confirmed staged setup for the Obama camp and their town halls. What about the lady who said she was a Doctor. Turns out, she is not a Doctor at all, just Obama supporter.

orange
08-27-2009, 01:22 PM
Kind of the way Obama staged the little girl in where ever it was.


That wasn't staged by anyone other than the girl. Obama picked her for the most obvious reason in the world - SHE WAS AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD. The fact that Michelle Malkin bitched about this is totally unsurprising since she is clearly devoid of any human emotion other than spite.


The fact that the girl's mother was an activist is a "yeah, DUH!" of historical proportions. Who do you think goes to Town Halls? Activists, maybe? Well, yeah, DUH!

bluehawkdoc
08-27-2009, 01:25 PM
What's missed in this video is the question about why tort reform wasn't included in this bill. Dr. (and I use that term loosely) Dean said it was because the authors didn't want to take on the trial lawyers. What a joke.

orange
08-27-2009, 01:25 PM
That was ridiculous. That was not the only confirmed staged setup for the Obama camp and their town halls. What about the lady who said she was a Doctor. Turns out, she is not a Doctor at all, just Obama supporter.

A - she is a doctor.
B - she said she hadn't practiced in years. That was left out of SOME versions of the AP article.

I.E. - there was NO deception.

You can read all about it right here on ChiefsPlanet - where RightWing conspiracy rants come to die.



Others at Tuesday's meeting were more supportive of reform.

Sheila Leavitt of Newton, who said she gave up practicing as a physician in 1983, said she hoped for changes that would support primary care physicians who aren't paid as much as specialists. She said some of the rowdy critics at Tuesday's meeting appeared to be using the same "talking points" as those who showed up at similar meetings around the country.

Posted on Wed, Aug. 19, 2009 07:12 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/444/story/1392215.html
.

Who's the liar here - Dr. Leavitt or Michelle Malkin et al? It doesn't take a doctor to diagnose this one.

The most relevant deception was the original claim, by either Leavitt or the early accounts in news reports that she was a doctor. That she's now admitting that she hasn't practiced in decades, after being outed by the blogosphere, doesn't change that.

THAT was the original story. The one I quoted from the KC Star. She never changed her story.

Look at the time on it. It's also on NYTimes, LATimes and dozens of other papers that way. The AP's own link shows it this way.

The version quoted by BucksRight that started the slanderfest was posted later, on YahooNews. Also on Fox and some others. Who knows why they edited it differently. It really wasn't Dr. Leavitt's doing, though, now was it?

It WAS Malkin's choice and the bloggers' choice to run spew without checking it.

Fair enough. You can't really call Bucks Right or any of the other bloggers who dug into this liars though since they're basing their analysis on Yahoo's version of the AP story. As it turns out, Leavitt appears to have been honest about her status though. Whoever edited the relevant information out of the AP article is the one to blame although it might have been an innocent blunder rather than intentional deception.

orange
08-27-2009, 01:28 PM
Dean and Moran Draw a Raucous Crowd in Virginia
By Katharine Q. Seelye


Did anyone think that a highly publicized health care town hall within easy driving distance of Washington would not draw a massive display of Astroturf?

Both supporters and opponents turned out in force last night in Reston, Va., where they were chanting slogans and bobbing signs long before the event began at 7 p.m. Fortunately, C-Span was among the army of media that descended on the event, at the South Lakes High School gymnasium, and so it was all viewable from home.

For all of the Astroturf, the event showed the raw emotions and serious concerns that the health debate has raised.

More than 2,500 people jammed into the gym, with long lines still outside. Many of last year’s presidential candidates never drew crowds like this.

The host was Representative Jim Moran, the Democrat who represents the area. At his side was Howard Dean, the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee and a strong advocate of an option for a government-run health insurance plan. He was applauded and booed simultaneously. Acknowledging the flood of outsiders who had come, Mr. Moran said that during the question period, he would give priority to his constituents.

CSPANMr. Moran opened with an hourlong explanation of the major House bill and an attempt to debunk a raft of myths about it (to cheers and boos). He spoke approvingly of the public option but did not pledge to vote against any bill that did not have one, as some liberals have been urging him to do.

He then introduced Dr. Dean, who seemed to be the lightning rod for the evening. He joked that the last time he had spoken before a crowd like this, “it was me who was doing the screaming,” a self-deprecating reference to his infamous speech in 2004 after he lost the Iowa caucuses. But there was not much laughter.

Then mayhem erupted. A clutch of opponents, led by Randall Terry, the anti-abortion activist and founder of Operation Rescue, chanted as Dr. Dean tried to speak, prompting Mr. Moran to try to have Mr. Terry and his followers ejected.

“They don’t belong here and I’m going to ask them to leave,” Mr. Moran said into the microphone, as the crowd started cross-chanting. Mr. Moran said he considered Mr. Terry to be “a bit of a radical” who came with the express purpose of disrupting the meeting. (Mr. Terry has actually been appearing at several town hall-style meetings lately, sometimes wearing a doctor’s outfit and stabbing a baby doll to show what would happen if a health bill were to pass.)

When Mr. Terry did not leave, Mr. Moran reversed himself and tried to negotiate with him. “Rather than being escorted out, you can have the option of having the first question and five minutes of saying whatever you want, then it would be restricted,” Mr. Moran said. “Otherwise you need to leave.”

Mr. Terry rejected the proposal as he and his band of supporters yelled, “Dean is a baby killer!” They were finally escorted out. One man remained, yelling, “We won’t pay for murder! Don’t let him speak!” Cameras surrounded him but as he continued to chant, they drifted away.

The first question came an hour and 20 minutes after the meeting began. A woman asked why Americans were afraid of a system like the one in France, where she said her brother had received good treatment. Dr. Dean said the health care systems in Europe had been destroyed by World War II and the governments had to rebuild them from the rubble.

A few minutes later, the first hostile question came, from a woman who asked Mr. Moran if he would be willing to go the same health plan as everyone else. He said yes.

The next person asked him the exact same question. He said yes again.

A few minutes later, a third questioner asked the same thing.

This time, Mr. Moran answered with more of an explanation. He said that under the current Congressional plan, which also covers millions of federal employees, he pays about $6,000 a year and the federal government matches it at 72 percent. He said that about 85 percent of the public would not see any change in their health insurance coverage. He was booed.

One man challenged Mr. Moran for saying that Medicare is run by experts. “It’s $39 trillion in the red!” he declared. “Who are these experts?” The man said he wanted Mr. Moran, not Dr. Dean, to answer the question.

Dr. Dean stepped in anyway, asking everyone who was in favor of getting rid of Medicare to raise their hands. Almost no one did, but several people stood up and booed.

When another man rose to speak, Mr. Moran asked for his I.D. to determine if he lived in the district. “Let me see your I.D.,” the man replied. “You’re the imposter.”

The man then asked why tort reform was not part of any health overhaul.

Dr. Dean replied that the more items in a big bill, the more enemies it will have. “The people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everyone else,” Dr. Dean said.

Dr. Dean also said he believed that patients should be able to bring actions against health care professionals, but they should go to arbitration. Then the case could go to trial, he said, but the arbitration verdict should be submitted as evidence. Not much reaction to that either way.

Mr. Moran then apologized to the man whose identity he had questioned and added his 2 cents about why tort reform was not part of any bill. He said if it were, such a bill would have to go through the judiciary committee, which he said was one of the most partisan in Congress and would never have reported it out.

In response to another question, Dr. Dean defended the drug industry, even though it is for-profit. He said that drugs go a long way toward reducing time in the hospital and costs.

By then it was 9 p.m., and Mr. Moran called for the last question, saying he wanted to hear from someone who opposed an overhaul.

A woman who said she was a kindergarten teacher, and would therefore be nice, said she was afraid that an overhaul would mean having a card that contained a chip containing all of someone’s medical information.

“That scares me,” she said. “Do you want the government knowing all your business from cradle to grave?”

Dr. Dean agreed this was a big issue, and one without an obvious answer. He said that medical professionals could treat a patient better if they had complete records, and a chip could be helpful if someone got sick far from home or was in a bad car accident and couldn’t speak.

But, he added, there is no way to safeguard a person’s privacy, either in health care or in banking or credit cards or other aspects of modern life. And that’s a dilemma he said, when health professionals need the information.

He said he enjoyed the discussion and was sorry to end it on such an ambivalent note.

Mr. Moran wrapped things up, just about two hours after he began. He said that “every major transformative struggle,” including those for Social Security and civil rights, was difficult and should be, “because it’s important, it affects everyone and we’re certainly not going to get it right unless we hear from all sides.”

By the end, the crowd seemed to have calmed down considerably.

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/dean-moran-draw-a-raucus-crowd-in-virginia/

Duck Dog
08-27-2009, 01:39 PM
The whole thing was stage-managed. You'll be able to see the commercials soon.

And as usual, you are completely duped and manipulated and PROUD OF IT!

Re-education is through the first door on the left.

Duck Dog
08-27-2009, 01:40 PM
So according to Orange, supporters are OK, but opponents are astro-turfing?

thecoffeeguy
08-27-2009, 01:44 PM
A - she is a doctor.
B - she said she hadn't practiced in years. That was left out of SOME versions of the AP article.

I.E. - there was NO deception.

You can read all about it right here on ChiefsPlanet - where RightWing conspiracy rants come to die.

:shake:

orange
08-27-2009, 01:48 PM
So according to Orange, supporters are OK, but opponents are astro-turfing?

First off, my take on AstroTurfing is not the same as others here. I don't dislike organizations showing up to support or defeat political actions. That's what politics is all about. That's why we are the Land of the Free.

My objection to AstroTurfing is the "Astro" part... i.e. the PHONINESS. These Town Hall protestors, for example, are organized by front groups. Front Groups that are INSURANCE INDUSTRY SHILLS. That needs to be called to everyone's attention.

Even the demonstrators deserve to know who's behind "Conservatives For Patients' Rights" (multi-billion dollar thief Rick Scott), don't they?

And the Public deserves to know who's behind the demonstrations they see on the news.

The pro-reform supporters proudly declare who they are. They even wear t-shirts.

orange
08-27-2009, 01:50 PM
:shake:

Shake your head all you want - the truth is the truth.

Read the rest of the post #15 (I hunted down the info so you don't have to. See what a guy I am.)

petegz28
08-27-2009, 02:17 PM
First off, my take on AstroTurfing is not the same as others here. I don't dislike organizations showing up to support or defeat political actions. That's what politics is all about. That's why we are the Land of the Free.

My objection to AstroTurfing is the "Astro" part... i.e. the PHONINESS. These Town Hall protestors, for example, are organized by front groups. Front Groups that are INSURANCE INDUSTRY SHILLS. That needs to be called to everyone's attention.

Even the demonstrators deserve to know who's behind "Conservatives For Patients' Rights" (multi-billion dollar thief Rick Scott), don't they?

And the Public deserves to know who's behind the demonstrations they see on the news.

The pro-reform supporters proudly declare who they are. They even wear t-shirts.

Sure they are. And now the pro-reform crowd is being organized by OFA and such. What is your point?

thecoffeeguy
08-27-2009, 03:02 PM
Shake your head all you want - the truth is the truth.

Read the rest of the post #15 (I hunted down the info so you don't have to. See what a guy I am.)

:shake:

Typical lib spin.

orange
08-27-2009, 03:14 PM
:shake:

Typical lib spin.

Typical right-wing eulogy as another phony rant is buried.

thecoffeeguy
08-27-2009, 03:44 PM
Typical right-wing eulogy as another phony rant is buried.

Um, ok.

Stooges

kcfanXIII
08-27-2009, 04:17 PM
orange does not posses the ability to have a debate on a subject without drawing political affiliation into the conversation. typical amongst mainstream voters, they automatically assume that those who disagree with them must be members of the opposite party. they will immediately start throwing political slurs around, and consider the debate won as they say to themselves, "ya, we showed those nut job anti abortion right wingers" or "take that you dirty hippie lettuce smoking liberals." the main problem with this philosophy is it doesn't help get any type of legislation done. all it does is add to your false choices.

orange
08-27-2009, 04:26 PM
orange does not posses the ability to have a debate on a subject without drawing political affiliation into the conversation

Really? What affiliation is Randall Terry? - who stage-managed the disruption in the video.

orange
08-27-2009, 04:30 PM
orange does not posses the ability to have a debate on a subject without drawing political affiliation into the conversation

And speaking of "drawing political affiliation into the conversation" - who posted this:

Yeah, pretty ironic that the party that refuses to make voters show ID's at the polls to prove they are eligible voters requires people to show ID's before they are granted an audience.... ...?

Hint - it wasn't me.


And this: Turns out, she is not a Doctor at all, just Obama supporter.

Hint - it wasn't me again.


Yes, you wingnuts are all so pure and non-partisan. I'll bet your sheets are purple.

orange
08-27-2009, 04:32 PM
Sure they are. And now the pro-reform crowd is being organized by OFA and such. What is your point?

My point is... OFA etc. don't stand to make billions off the defeat/passage of Health Care Reform like the insurance industry Astroturfers do. And, as I said, the proponents proclaim their identity openly. They haven't conjured up organizations like CFPR out of whole cloth.

(I would have responded earlier, but I missed your post in the mix).

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 06:01 PM
Really? What affiliation is Randall Terry? - who stage-managed the disruption in the video.

Maybe you missed it, but there was nothing remarkable about the video outside of Moran's ridiculous demand for ID. What was staged; a guy getting ready to ask a question? Unless Moran's response was staged, I have no idea to what you are referring. I'm pretty sure people line up to ask questions at town halls all the time without it being staged.

You and jAZ are working up quite a sweat trying to distort reality wherever it occurs.

orange
08-27-2009, 06:23 PM
Maybe you missed it, but there was nothing remarkable about the video outside of Moran's ridiculous demand for ID. What was staged; a guy getting ready to ask a question? Unless Moran's response was staged, I have no idea to what you are referring. I'm pretty sure people line up to ask questions at town halls all the time without it being staged.

You and jAZ are working up quite a sweat trying to distort reality wherever it occurs.

Sorry, I watched the long version on another site - not the careful clip-job here.

Forgive me for knowing too much.

But as to "distorting reality," I leave that to you and FOX.

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