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Donger
08-27-2009, 04:10 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090827/pl_politico/26512;_ylt=AkLlKiHU1XmXv.wR61psYNys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJ0dnV1M3UwBGFzc2V0A3BvbGl0aWNvLzIwMDkwODI3LzI2NTE yBGNwb3MDNwRwb3MDNARwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA3BlbG9zaWFza3Nmbw--

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has launched an urgent effort to raise $100,000 by Monday to help combat what she calls GOP "smears" about health care reform.

"Republican opponents of reform are coming out with one outrageous smear after the next, all aimed at derailing our progress. We must be able to counter their special interest-funded attacks and set the record straight," Pelosi wrote in a letter to Democratic supporters.

"That's why I have set a goal of raising $100,000 in grassroots donations before the August FEC fundraising deadline," says Pelosi.

Pelosi and Democrats are clearly worried that they've lost momentum on health care reform this month, and many in her caucus have been crushed by opposition at town hall events.

Pelosi's appeal is aimed at small donors, and she asks for donations of $5 or more in her letter.

Democrats for weeks have been on the defensive, accusing Republicans of mischaracterizing their reform effort. President Barack Obama fired back several weeks ago after Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), a key Republican negotiator on the Senate Finance Committee, said the Democratic push threatened to "pull the plug on grandma."

Now, Pelosi is pushing back.

"Republicans are doing everything they can to spread the lies they hope will kill health insurance reform," Pelosi writes at the end of the e-mail. "Please make a generous financial contribution to help Democrats get the truth out and fight GOP smears."

mlyonsd
08-27-2009, 04:21 PM
It's a grassroots effort if the Speaker of the House asks for it?

jAZ
08-27-2009, 04:24 PM
What's the news here?

Direckshun
08-27-2009, 04:25 PM
What's the news here?

I'm trying to figure that out.

Or how this is uncommon in any way.

Donger
08-27-2009, 04:26 PM
Sorry. Is it really grassroots if the Speaker of the House is requesting it?

JonesCrusher
08-27-2009, 04:26 PM
Whatever happened to her "We Won" we'll do whatever we want stance. Why does she suddenly care what the lowly citizens think.

KC Dan
08-27-2009, 04:27 PM
Mail her a small piece of Astroturf (Fedex or UPS only)

Direckshun
08-27-2009, 04:27 PM
Sorry. Is it really grassroots if the Speaker of the House is requesting it?

Depends how you define grassroots. What do I care?

jAZ
08-27-2009, 04:29 PM
Sorry. Is it really grassroots if the Speaker of the House is requesting it?

In this case, absolutely. She's asking lots of supporters to give small dollar donations. That's the opposite of her asking a few wealthy donors to give big dollar contributions.

***SPRAYER
08-27-2009, 04:30 PM
In this case, absolutely. She's asking lots of supporters to give small dollar donations. That's the opposite of her asking a few wealthy donors to give big dollar contributions.

She is awesome. She's all about helping the little guy. All the democrats are.

:drool:

BucEyedPea
08-27-2009, 04:33 PM
Mail her a small piece of Astroturf (Fedex or UPS only)

That's actually a terrific idea if enough do it. :clap:

Donger
08-27-2009, 04:35 PM
In this case, absolutely. She's asking lots of supporters to give small dollar donations. That's the opposite of her asking a few wealthy donors to give big dollar contributions.

That's odd. So this definition is not accurate?

Artificial "grassroots" politics. Real grass roots politics starts at the citizen level and tries to force those with power (or access to it) to change. Obama and Ron Paul's campaigns are good examples of grass roots politics.

Astroturfing starts with those in power and tries to project an impression of grass roots.

mlyonsd
08-27-2009, 04:35 PM
Sorry. Is it really grassroots if the Speaker of the House is requesting it?

It appears that money has to be involved to be 'grassroots'.

Evidently if you give $5 to a cause you're a grassroots supporter, but if you show up at a town hall and ask a question for free you're not.

I learn something every day in this forum.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-27-2009, 05:00 PM
I think ms. Pelosi has enough money to get it done. A half a billion goes a long way.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 05:15 PM
That's odd. So this definition is not accurate?

Artificial "grassroots" politics. Real grass roots politics starts at the citizen level and tries to force those with power (or access to it) to change. Obama and Ron Paul's campaigns are good examples of grass roots politics.

Astroturfing starts with those in power and tries to project an impression of grass roots.

NP is asking for citizen level contributions here. Just like Ron Paul did.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 05:21 PM
Evidently if you give $5 to a cause you're a grassroots supporter, but if you show up at a town hall and ask a question for free you're not.

I learn something every day in this forum.

I said from the start that Freedom Works was an astroturf organization because they take large money contributions from corporate interests and then apply their advocacy accordingly.

That's the opposite of eliciting donations from the grassroots for a particular cause.

If Freedom Works (or any other Con) group raises small dollar donations from enough people to build a campaign, then they too are grassroots.

The issue of who was showing up town halls is a seperate issue from whether Freedom Works is a grassroots organization.

Donger
08-27-2009, 05:22 PM
NP is asking for citizen level contributions here. Just like Ron Paul did.

"Real grass roots politics starts at the citizen level."

"Astroturfing starts with those in power and tries to project an impression of grass roots."

Is Nancy not in power? Are you suggesting that she is at the "citizen level"?

jAZ
08-27-2009, 05:30 PM
"Real grass roots politics starts at the citizen level."

"Astroturfing starts with those in power and tries to project an impression of grass roots."

Is Nancy not in power? Are you suggesting that she is at the "citizen level"?

Ron Paul was in power too. Like her request here, he ran a campaign based on contributions from individuals.

If NP were to send an email to a few corporate executives asking for $50,000 each to support a "citizens for lower taxes" campaign, that didn't get much fruning from citizens, that's astroturfing.

JonesCrusher
08-27-2009, 05:31 PM
NP is asking for citizen level contributions here. Just like Ron Paul did.

So NP is symbolic of the root and the many branches of government she dreams of are the grass. The people are just the rain that in her opinion is pretty annoying until she starts wilting.

Donger
08-27-2009, 05:33 PM
Ron Paul was in power too. Like her request here, he ran a campaign based on contributions from individuals.

If NP were to send an email to a few corporate executives asking for $50,000 each to support a "citizens for lower taxes" campaign, that didn't get much fruning from citizens, that's astroturfing.

Well, Nancy is in power. This started with her. And, she is trying to project an impression of grass roots.

Sounds precisely like your definition of astroturfing to me.

Donger
08-27-2009, 05:36 PM
Hmmm. More:

"That's a top down movement. That's astroturfing."

"It's how the movement starts (bottom up vs top down)."

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 05:40 PM
Ron Paul was in power too. Like her request here, he ran a campaign based on contributions from individuals.

If NP were to send an email to a few corporate executives asking for $50,000 each to support a "citizens for lower taxes" campaign, that didn't get much fruning from citizens, that's astroturfing.

Ron Paul raised money for an election, not to advertise an issue. I'm not saying one is necessarily better than the other, but there is certainly a difference. Besides, why do the Democrats need to advertise? They have the numbers. Elections have consequences, remember?

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 05:41 PM
Hmmm. More:

"That's a top down movement. That's astroturfing."

"It's how the movement starts (bottom up vs top down)."

What idiot said that?

jAZ
08-27-2009, 05:45 PM
Well, Nancy is in power. This started with her. And, she is trying to project an impression of grass roots.

Sounds precisely like your definition of astroturfing to me.

It's no more astroturfing that Ron Paul.

If NP or RP are acting on behalf of a narrow and wealth group of people, and taking money from that group to enact that groups agenda... then that is astrotrurfing.

If NP or RP are elected officials asking thousands of their past supporters to give small dollar amounts to support their campaign or some particular policy... that's actual grass roots campaigning.

If Freedom Works had not raised money from a few large money donors to fund their campaign, but intead did it this way... they too would be runnign a grass roots campaign.

If Nancy Pelosi could convince CNN to run 50 commercials a day for 3 weeks in support of her campaign then she'd be just as tainted as the Freedom Works.

Donger
08-27-2009, 05:46 PM
It's no more astroturfing that Ron Paul.

If NP or RP are acting on behalf of a narrow and wealth group of people, and taking money from that group to enact that groups agenda... then that is astrotrurfing.

If NP or RP are elected officials asking thousands of their past supporters to give small dollar amounts to support their campaign or some particular policy... that's actual grass roots campaigning.

If Freedom Works had not raised money from a few large money donors to fund their campaign, but intead did it this way... they too would be runnign a grass roots campaign.

If Nancy Pelosi could convince CNN to run 50 commercials a day for 3 weeks in support of her campaign then she'd be just as tainted as the Freedom Works.

So all the "ground up" requirement stuff was nonsense?

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 05:47 PM
If Nancy Pelosi could convince CNN to run 50 commercials a day for 3 weeks in support of her campaign then she'd be just as tainted as the Freedom Works.

Wouldn't want Pelosi to be tainted. She's the very definition of an underdog...a true Washington outsider.

petegz28
08-27-2009, 05:48 PM
Ron Paul was in power too. Like her request here, he ran a campaign based on contributions from individuals.

If NP were to send an email to a few corporate executives asking for $50,000 each to support a "citizens for lower taxes" campaign, that didn't get much fruning from citizens, that's astroturfing.

JFC you are such a halftard at times.....

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 05:48 PM
So all the "ground up" requirement stuff was nonsense?

Will he:

A: Spin his statement
B: Ignore the question
C: Deflect towards a Republican

petegz28
08-27-2009, 05:49 PM
So all the "ground up" requirement stuff was nonsense?

Dude, you have asked him this like 4 times and he refuses to aknowlege it. It is insane dealing with someone like him anymore.

petegz28
08-27-2009, 05:49 PM
Will he:

A: Spin his statement
B: Ignore the question
C: Deflect towards a Republican

D. All of the above

Donger
08-27-2009, 05:54 PM
Dude, you have asked him this like 4 times and he refuses to aknowlege it. It is insane dealing with someone like him anymore.

That's okay. jAZ knows the truth. Nancy's activities perfectly fit the very definition he gave.

I just wanted to see if he'd acknowledge it.

Maybe he'd call this fieldgrassturfing.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 06:15 PM
So all the "ground up" requirement stuff was nonsense?

No, sorry it's not that simple.

Freedom Works is a corporate funded organization who used in-kind donated advertising from Fox News Corp and a willing, passionate but very small group of supporters (largely RP fans) into the appearance of a handful of well timed, well executed made for TV protests at town halls.

The Freedom Works folks are astroturfing.
The RP-types are grassroots.

The impression that RP types were a huge segment of the population was artifically crafted through the media reporting the controversy.

It was a partnership between an astroturf organization (top down) and a very small group of grass roots activists (bottom up) that wouldn't have become was it is today without the astroturf part.

They've grown the support of their cause in the process. That's more to do with the lies that generated fears within the non-activsits. That was be design, of course.

And it worked well.

In NP's case, she's doesn't appear to be raising money for large self-serving donors for the purpose of projecting an imperssion of a grassroots campaign. She's actually raising small dollar money directly from regular people.

That's not to say that she can't do something else that would be astroturfy.

This just isn't remotely it.

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 06:18 PM
If you said "C", congratulations. You made the right call.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 06:19 PM
Wouldn't want Pelosi to be tainted. She's the very definition of an underdog...a true Washington outsider.

This has to do with a meaningful distinction between what is astroturfing and what isn't. If NP goes to her 50 biggest corporate executive contributors and asks them to contribute the vast majority of "citizens for rational taxation" budget. And that budget is used to lower corproate tax policy... that's astroturfing even by NP.

petegz28
08-27-2009, 06:20 PM
No, sorry it's not that simple.

Freedom Works is a corporate funded organization who used in-kind donated advertising from Fox News Corp and a willing, passionate but very small group of supporters (largely RP fans) into the appearance of a handful of well timed, well executed made for TV protests at town halls.

The Freedom Works folks are astroturfing.
The RP-types are grassroots.

The impression that RP types were a huge segment of the population was artifically crafted through the media reporting the controversy.

It was a partnership between an astroturf organization (top down) and a very small group of grass roots activists (bottom up) that wouldn't have become was it is today without the astroturf part.

They've grown the support of their cause in the process. That's more to do with the lies that generated fears within the non-activsits. That was be design, of course.

And it worked well.

In NP's case, she's doesn't appear to be raising money for large self-serving donors for the purpose of projecting an imperssion of a grassroots campaign. She's actually raising small dollar money directly from regular people.

That's not to say that she can't do something else that would be astroturfy.

This just isn't remotely it.

uh hum....


BULLSHIT!

jAZ
08-27-2009, 06:27 PM
Without the RP-tea party movement, Freedom Works is pure astroturf.

Without freedom works, the RP tea party movement is a few hundred thousand passionate libertrians.

Freedom Works recognized that they needed to leverage the RP movement to have an authentic voice, even if it was very small. They only needed a few of the right TV (youtube) moments to give the impression that the RP folks were some massive movement.

Once they got that, they used the Limbaugh, Fox News, Beck, Hannity media activists to lead the rest of the "report the controversy" media to magnify the numbers.

Then they used a handful of outright lies to conflate public option with killing grandma.

That's last part was the key to taking existing but small scale opposition into primetime.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 06:28 PM
uh hum....


BULLSHIT!

Wow, you told me.

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 06:29 PM
This has to do with a meaningful distinction between what is astroturfing and what isn't. If NP goes to her 50 biggest corporate executive contributors and asks them to contribute the vast majority of "citizens for rational taxation" budget. And that budget is used to lower corproate tax policy... that's astroturfing even by NP.

You are a joke. Do you think she really cares about $5 donations? She is everything that is wrong with Washington politics. She accuses her opponents of being exactly what she is. There is not a groundswell of support for this bill. Even the majority of the libs on this board don't seem to support it. Hell, there isn't even an actual bill to promote yet.

This thing is a calamity wrapped in a disaster. The incompetence of the left is on full display for the world to see. Even Gallup has Obama at an all-time low in approval rating. Gallup. (The same pollster that had him at only 12% disapproval in January.) It's such an unmitigated disaster that nobody seems to have noticed that we've had back to back record months for troop casualties in Afghanistan.

wild1
08-27-2009, 06:33 PM
In this case, absolutely. She's asking lots of supporters to give small dollar donations. That's the opposite of her asking a few wealthy donors to give big dollar contributions.

as if they aren't

jAZ
08-27-2009, 06:34 PM
You are a joke. Do you think she really cares about $5 donations? She is everything that is wrong with Washington politics. She accuses her opponents of being exactly what she is. There is not a groundswell of support for this bill. Even the majority of the libs on this board don't seem to support it. Hell, there isn't even an actual bill to promote yet.

This thing is a calamity wrapped in a disaster. The incompetence of the left is on full display for the world to see. Even Gallup has Obama at an all-time low in approval rating. Gallup. (The same pollster that had him at only 12% disapproval in January.) It's such an unmitigated disaster that nobody seems to have noticed that we've had back to back record months for troop casualties in Afghanistan.

This isn't even a coherent thought.

You start by saying NP doesn't care about $5. You end by talking about afganistan. And you throw in an attack on liberals, the public option, anbd Obama.

WTF?

wild1
08-27-2009, 06:35 PM
That's okay. jAZ knows the truth. Nancy's activities perfectly fit the very definition he gave.

I just wanted to see if he'd acknowledge it.

Maybe he'd call this fieldgrassturfing.

well, the name of the surface depends on who's laying it course.

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 06:35 PM
This isn't even a coherent thought.

You start by saying NP doesn't care about $5. You end by talking about afganistan. And you throw in an attack on liberals, the public option, anbd Obama.

WTF?

Sorry, jAZ. It's a tangled web of incompetence they weave.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 06:36 PM
as if they aren't

Sorry, you might not understand this, but donors personal phone calls, or visits from campaign staff. Not generic emails.

jAZ
08-27-2009, 06:38 PM
Sorry, jAZ. It's a tangled web of incompetence they weave.

It's pretty common here. When confronted with a thought that isn't a bullet point talking point, you get posts like pete's. Or rants like yours.

Which by the way had NOTHING to do with astroturfing.

That might have been the first clue that you snapped. ;)

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 06:43 PM
It's pretty common here. When confronted with a thought that isn't a bullet point talking point, you get posts like pete's. Or rants like yours.

Which by the way had NOTHING to do with astroturfing.

That might have been the first clue that you snapped. ;)

You are right, this is a public groundswell of support. The people are marching in the streets, stepping over bodies of the untreated infirmed as they go, chanting for public health care. If only the Democrats could wrestle the power away from the Republicans who control the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.

Maybe then, we could have wonderful health care. Maybe then, the economy would again be vibrant and jobs plentiful. Maybe then, we could finally end the wars. Until that day, Nancy needs your money.

petegz28
08-27-2009, 06:46 PM
It's pretty common here. When confronted with a thought that isn't a bullet point talking point, you get posts like pete's. Or rants like yours.

Which by the way had NOTHING to do with astroturfing.

That might have been the first clue that you snapped. ;)

Dude, there was no other reason to say anything more than I did. Donger has already explained it to you multiple times and you keep coming up with more excuses than a kid who got caught ditching school.

petegz28
08-27-2009, 06:47 PM
You are right, this is a public groundswell of support. The people are marching in the streets, stepping over bodies of the untreated infirmed as they go, chanting for public health care. If only the Democrats could wrestle the power away from the Republicans who control the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.

Maybe then, we could have wonderful health care. Maybe then, the economy would again be vibrant and jobs plentiful. Maybe then, we could finally end the wars. Until that day, Nancy needs your money.

Support for Health Care Legislation Has Stopped Falling, But Most Still Opposed

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_health_care_legislation_has_stopped_falling_but_most_still_opposed

As August winds down, the good news for President Obama and congressional Democrats is that support for their proposed health care legislation has stopped falling. The bad news is that most voters oppose the plan.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey show that 43% of voters nationwide favor the plan working its way through Congress while 53% are opposed. Those figures are virtually identical to results from two weeks ago.

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 06:47 PM
Dude, there was no other reason to say anything more than I did. Donger has already explained it to you multiple times and you keep coming up with more excuses than a kid who got caught ditching school.

To be fair, jAZ explained it. Donger just pasted the quotes. In jAZ's world, what's good for the goose doesn't apply to the gander.

petegz28
08-27-2009, 06:48 PM
Additionally, by a 50% to 23% margin, voters believe the proposed reforms would make the quality of care worse rather than better. Voter skepticism of Congress remains high. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer recently penned an article advocating health care reform, but most voters were skeptical about the benefits they claim would result from its passage.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_health_care_legislation_has_stopped_falling_but_most_still_opposed

Saul Good
08-27-2009, 06:51 PM
Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters believe that passage of the legislation is still at least somewhat likely. Forty-one percent (41%) say it’s not likely. Those figures include just 17% who say it is Very Likely and nine percent (9%) who say it is Not at All Likely, leaving the vast majority of voters somewhere in between.

...and .000001% who say that any fight there may have been over health care has ended.

headsnap
08-27-2009, 07:20 PM
If NP or RP are elected officials asking thousands of their past supporters to give small dollar amounts to support their campaign or some particular policy... that's actual grass roots campaigning.


exactly correct, NP can just go to her Union thug friends and have them shake down the 'members' for $5 each...



Fieldturf...

Guru
08-28-2009, 12:40 AM
So, she wants her constituents to send money so they can fight "lies" with more lies.

jAZ
08-28-2009, 12:51 AM
Dude, there was no other reason to say anything more than I did. Donger has already explained it to you multiple times and you keep coming up with more excuses than a kid who got caught ditching school.

Indeed. If you don't understand enough to rebut anything put forward, it's best to just surrender to your inner tourette.

jAZ
08-28-2009, 01:02 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090827/pl_politico/26512;_ylt=AkLlKiHU1XmXv.wR61psYNys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJ0dnV1M3UwBGFzc2V0A3BvbGl0aWNvLzIwMDkwODI3LzI2NTE yBGNwb3MDNwRwb3MDNARwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA3BlbG9zaWFza3Nmbw--

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has launched an urgent effort to raise $100,000 by Monday to help combat what she calls GOP "smears" about health care reform.

"Republican opponents of reform are coming out with one outrageous smear after the next, all aimed at derailing our progress. We must be able to counter their special interest-funded attacks and set the record straight," Pelosi wrote in a letter to Democratic supporters.

"That's why I have set a goal of raising $100,000 in grassroots donations before the August FEC fundraising deadline," says Pelosi.

Pelosi and Democrats are clearly worried that they've lost momentum on health care reform this month, and many in her caucus have been crushed by opposition at town hall events.

Pelosi's appeal is aimed at small donors, and she asks for donations of $5 or more in her letter.

Democrats for weeks have been on the defensive, accusing Republicans of mischaracterizing their reform effort. President Barack Obama fired back several weeks ago after Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), a key Republican negotiator on the Senate Finance Committee, said the Democratic push threatened to "pull the plug on grandma."

Now, Pelosi is pushing back.

"Republicans are doing everything they can to spread the lies they hope will kill health insurance reform," Pelosi writes at the end of the e-mail. "Please make a generous financial contribution to help Democrats get the truth out and fight GOP smears."

So no where did this say that the email was sent on behalf of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

http://www.dccc.org/page/-/images/mainsite/splash/august-deadline-mainbox.jpg

That might not matter for the Yahoo article, but it kinda changes things a <s>little</s> lot with respect to the nature of the ask.

She's raising money for the 2010 election off the the grassroot support for healthcare reform.

It's analogous (though not identical) to FreedomWorks co-opting the PRers. And probably equally as welcome.

alanm
08-28-2009, 01:05 AM
That's odd. So this definition is not accurate?

Artificial "grassroots" politics. Real grass roots politics starts at the citizen level and tries to force those with power (or access to it) to change. Obama and Ron Paul's campaigns are good examples of grass roots politics.

Astroturfing starts with those in power and tries to project an impression of grass roots.The good thing is that real grass roots politics at the citizen level is free. :thumb::thumb:

Donger
08-28-2009, 04:58 AM
So no where did this say that the email was sent on behalf of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

http://www.dccc.org/page/-/images/mainsite/splash/august-deadline-mainbox.jpg

That might not matter for the Yahoo article, but it kinda changes things a <s>little</s> lot with respect to the nature of the ask.

She's raising money for the 2010 election off the the grassroot support for healthcare reform.

It's analogous (though not identical) to FreedomWorks co-opting the PRers. And probably equally as welcome.

Heh. 'Grasroots'

headsnap
08-28-2009, 06:20 AM
Heh. 'Grasroots'
LMAO


Foie Grasroots...



the vegans should go ballistic over that one...

petegz28
08-28-2009, 07:00 AM
Indeed. If you don't understand enough to rebut anything put forward, it's best to just surrender to your inner tourette.

I underswtand perfectly. You are a shill and will sit here post after post after post making excuses for Pelosi.

ROYC75
08-28-2009, 08:26 AM
Why doesn't Nancy just fund her cause all by herself.

Norman Einstein
08-28-2009, 08:30 AM
Today I got a virus warning via email, I'm pretty sure it's a real deal.





INTERNET WARNING:

If you get an email titled, "Nude photo of Nancy Pelosi," don't open it!
It contains a nude photo of Nancy Pelosi.

***SPRAYER
09-10-2009, 07:20 PM
Yeah hows that working out

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Helen_Thomas_64.jpg

Saul Good
09-10-2009, 07:29 PM
Maybe the $100,000 is going to have her mascara tattooed to her eyelids. That would stop the smearing.

***SPRAYER
09-10-2009, 07:31 PM
http://uonline.ro/upload/textSection/Jocelyn/JocelynWildenstein01.jpg

vailpass
09-10-2009, 07:49 PM
What must it be like to have to side with Pelosi?

ChiTown
09-10-2009, 07:51 PM
http://uonline.ro/upload/textSection/Jocelyn/JocelynWildenstein01.jpg

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Saul Good
09-10-2009, 07:59 PM
http://uonline.ro/upload/textSection/Jocelyn/JocelynWildenstein01.jpg

Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it.

ClevelandBronco
09-10-2009, 08:02 PM
http://www.dccc.org/page/-/images/mainsite/splash/august-deadline-mainbox.jpg

They spelled "grassroots" incorrectly.

ClevelandBronco
09-10-2009, 08:03 PM
Heh. 'Grasroots'

You saw it first. Bummer.

HonestChieffan
09-10-2009, 09:18 PM
Best part of this is the way it will raise money to oppose her and her attempt to shove this down the peoples throats.

Way to go Nan.

Norman Einstein
09-10-2009, 09:40 PM
In this case, absolutely. She's asking lots of supporters to give small dollar donations. That's the opposite of her asking a few wealthy donors to give big dollar contributions.



A grass root efforts come from the small people in the country, not from the top bitch in the House.

Norman Einstein
09-10-2009, 09:42 PM
NP is asking for citizen level contributions here. Just like Ron Paul did.

Still missing the point. NP doesn't start grass root efforts. It comes FROM the little people, it's not DICTATED down to them.

HonestChieffan
09-10-2009, 10:12 PM
She should offer little "Nancy's Nazis" lapel pins

Guru
09-10-2009, 10:24 PM
They had to misspell grassroots because it is really astroturf by their own definition.