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BigRock
08-28-2009, 12:18 PM
Saw this on another forum, figured it was worth posting due to a few names that popped up. It judges lineman in the run game, nothing else.

The light of football science has illuminated many dark corners of the field, but one shadowy place remains: the offensive line.

Until now.

I am pleased as Hawaiian sugar-free Punch to introduce ROBIN, a metric system that isolates and quantifies an offensive lineman's contributions to the running game.

ROBIN stands for results-oriented binary metric system. Resulted-oriented means the system is based on detailed tape reviews of every run block at the point of attack. Binary means that for each of these run blocks, I assign the offensive linemen involved one of two grades: win (the block results in a viable running lane) or a loss (the defender is able to put up a road block).

By adding up an O-lineman's wins and losses, I can then calculate his point-of-attack win percentage, a holy grail metric I call POA win% (clever, right?).

Without further ado, here are the best and worst linemen from 2008 in three categories: overall, pull blocks, and second-and-third-level blocks (any block between the line of scrimmage and five yards downfield is a second level block; any block more than five yards downfield is a third-level block).

Best Overall
(min. 50 POA attempts)

Player --- Position --- POA Win%

1) Nick Mangold (NYJ) --- C --- 94.3%
2) Stephen Neal (NE) --- RG --- 94.0%
3) Marshal Yanda (BAL) --- RG --- 93.0%
4) Mike Goff (SD) --- RG --- 92.6%
5) Todd Weiner (ATL) --- LT --- 92.3%

Worst Overall
(min. 50 POA attempts)

Player --- Position --- POA Win%

1) Jacob Bell (STL) --- LG --- 70.7%
2) Lyle Sendlein (ARI) --- C --- 71.3%
3) Levi Jones (CIN) --- LT --- 72.0%
4) Andy Alleman (MIA) --- LG --- 73.1%
5) Tony Moll (GB) --- RG/RT --- 73.5%

Best Pull Blocks
(min. 32 pulls)

Player --- Position --- POA Win%

1) Justin Smiley (MIA) --- LG --- 100%
1) Ryan Clady (DEN) --- LT --- 100%
3) Mike Goff (SD) --- RG --- 95.6%
4) Kris Dielman (SD) --- LG --- 94.7%
5) Rich Seubert (NYG) --- LG --- 93.4%

Worst Pull Blocks
(min. 32 pulls)

Player --- Position --- POA Win%

1) Mike Pollack (IND) --- RG --- 67.7%
2) Mike Wahle (SEA) --- LG --- 69.6%
3) Eugene Amano (TEN) --- LG --- 72.4%
4) Jacob Bell (STL) --- LG --- 72.7%
5) Chilio Rachal (SF) --- RG --- 73.7%

Best Second-To-Third-Level Blocks
(min. 16 blocks)

Player --- Position --- POA Win%

1) Pete Kendall (WAS) --- LG --- 96.7%
2) Rich Seubert (NYG) --- LG --- 94.4%
3) Casey Wiegmann (DEN) --- C --- 91.7%
4) Randy Thomas (WAS) --- RG --- 90.5%
5) Logan Mankins (NE) --- LG --- 90.0%

Worst Second-To-Third-Level Blocks
(min. 16 blocks)

Player --- Position --- POA Win%

1) Lyle Sendlein (ARI) --- C --- 43.8%
2) Anthony Herrera (MIN) --- RG --- 52.4%
3) Jacob Bell (STL) --- LG --- 52.9%
4) Eugene Amano (TEN) --- LG --- 58.8%
5) Eric Steinbach (CLE) --- LG --- 63.2%

BigRock
08-28-2009, 12:19 PM
It's from KC Joyner in ESPN the Magazine, BTW.

Buck
08-28-2009, 12:24 PM
What is the saying about Stats?

I saw this in ESPN the Magazine the other day and it made me laugh.

Mr. Krab
08-28-2009, 12:36 PM
Then how come Goff seems to be getting abused every other play for us? :deevee:

Demonpenz
08-28-2009, 12:39 PM
Then how come Goff seems to be getting abused every other play for us? :deevee:

he doesn't have LT or Ollie Sprollie running behind him wit the chiefs

BigRock
08-28-2009, 01:11 PM
What is the saying about Stats?

I saw this in ESPN the Magazine the other day and it made me laugh.

So what are you trying to say? Kris Dielman can't pull? I CALL HOGWASH.

he doesn't have LT or Ollie Sprollie running behind him wit the chiefs

There's actually another stat in there saying LT was the second-worst runner in the league last year when all of his linemen won their blocks. Or his YPC average under those circumstances was the second-worst, to be specific.

DaneMcCloud
08-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Fucking stupid.

If Mike Goff was so great (which he is clearly not), the San Diego Chargers would have not have released him and he would have signed with any other team in the NFL other than the team that's gone 6-26 the past two seasons.

Goff's done.

Buck
08-28-2009, 01:27 PM
So what are you trying to say? Kris Dielman can't pull? I CALL HOGWASH.


A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.

Mike Goff was a top tier OL maybe back in 2004-2006, but hes been complete garbage since then.

Believe me I had to watch him.

L.A. Chieffan
08-28-2009, 03:07 PM
no fucking way these dudes are successful 100% of the time. bullshit complete bullshit.

im gonna come up with my own fucking arbitrary system of grading oline guys. YAYYYYY

DaneMcCloud
08-28-2009, 03:14 PM
im gonna come up with my own fucking arbitrary system of grading oline guys. YAYYYYY

Hey, that's the same system that our very own Direckshun uses!

LMAO

Easy 6
08-28-2009, 09:20 PM
****ing stupid.

If Mike Goff was so great (which he is clearly not), the San Diego Chargers would have not have released him and he would have signed with any other team in the NFL other than the team that's gone 6-26 the past two seasons.

Goff's done.

Good Lord, i agree that this 'grading system' may be somewhat dubious, sometimes #'s DO lie, but the new regime (who've done pretty good so far, according to most) clearly felt he was an upgrade. He's struggled in his first weeks with a new team...well lah.di.dah.

The last couple days you have pissed on just about every player on the roster, almost everyone it seems, is 'done'.

Mecca is that you?

ArrowheadMagic
08-28-2009, 09:30 PM
Price of play with Niswanger. Waters doesnt look much better.