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milkman
08-29-2009, 07:54 AM
First play of second half, Harris goes man up on Letroy Guion, holds his block and pushes him into the turf.

Wade Smith is still in at RG at this time.

Second play.
In pass protect against Fred Evans, who gets absolutely no push at all against Harris.

Play negated by an illegal formation.

Third play
Pass protect against Evans again, who again gets no push.

Fourth play
Evans shoots the B gap on a running play out of the shotgun, Harris just pushes him to the right and into the backfiled behind the play.

Fifth play
Another pass play, Evans is getting owned

Sixth play
Harris gets his body turned outside by Guion, who gets to Croyle, but gets called for a late hit.
Harris was punked on this play.

Seventh play
Harris gets out in front and lays a nice block on SS Jamarca Sanford on a quick sweep to the left.

Eighth play
Harris holds his block against Evans in pass protect.

Ninth play
Harris comes out to pull to the left, but doesn't block anyone.

Tenth play
Harris pushed Jimmy Kennedy back 4 yards and to the right, Savage runs through the seam created there for 5 yards.

Eleventh play
Harris pulls to the right and gets a body on LB Kenny Onatolu.

Twelfth play
Guion attempts a spin move on Harris pass protect.
Harris ain't buying it.

Thirteenth play
Harris is just looking someone to block in pass protect.
Neither Taylor or Ghiaciuc are getting beat, so he just kind of stands alone.

Fourteenth play
Chiefs set up the screen, Harris just chips at Onatalu, who reads the screen and goes right after Jed Collins, who doesn't make the catch.
Harris should have gotten a more physical block on Onatolu before getting out to set the screen.

Fifteenth play
Jimmy Kennedy just running in circles while Harris looks on in pass protect.

Sixteenth play
Harris gets a good push on Kennedy, but gets away with a hold at the end.

Seventeenth play
Who the **** knows what the hell is going on the field, since the camera is fucused on Tavares Jackson cycling on the side line.

Eighteenth play
Harris sets up in pass protect, pushed Onatolu to the inside on a blitz.

Ninetenth play
Again, who the **** knows?
Viking Schedule on the screen.

Twentieth play
Guion gets his hands under Harris' pads and just pushes him away as he makes his way to get after the ball after a fumble by Croyl in the handoff attempt.

Twenty first play
Another screen attempt, and once again, Harris dodesn't get enough of a block on his man, this time Kennedy before getting out to set up the screen.
Kennedy is there to forc battle to elude him, and Battle fumbles when he runs right into Onatolu after his cut.

Twenty second play
Harris shoots into the second level and gets a minor shot on Jasper Brinkley on a carry by Battle.
Nothing to write home about.

Twenty third play
Harris gets too high and allows Kennedy to push him and get to Battle for no gain.

That was the Chiefs final offensive play of the third quarter.


First play of the fourth quarter
Harris gets out to pull but has no one to block
The thing you have to like though, is how quickly he gets to the other side of the line when he is pulling.

Second play
Harris pushes Kennedy into Ghiaciuc as he attempts a spin, then turns to help Taylor.

Third play
Colin Brown finally enters game.
Picks up Brinkley on a blitz and pushes him into turf.
Harris doubles down on Antoine Holmes.

Fourth play
Another who the hell knows moment as they are interviewing Antione Winfield on the sideline and they camera picks up the action late.

Fifth play
Quick pass by Gutierrez, Neither Brown or Harris man gets any push.

Sixth play
Brown and Wade Smith double on Tremaine Johnson and push him 6-7 yards back.
Harris whiffs on his block, allowing Antione Holmes to get in on a tackle for no gain.

Seventh play
Colin Brown is slow getting hands on Holmes, but recovers in time to push him by Guttierrez in pass protect.
Harris doubles down on Johnson.

Eighth play
Brown holds his block in pass protect against Holmes.
Harris allows Johnson to run around him on the way to Guttierrez.

Ninth play
Another who the **** knows?

Tenth play
Both hold their blocks in pass protect.

Eleventh play
Same

Twelfth play
Again, both hold their blocks long enough in pass protect to allow Guttierrez a deep ball attempt.

Thirteenth play and Fourteeth plays
Much the same, quick passes, they do thier jobs, not much to see.

Fifteenth play
Another screen
Harris does a better job here than he had in the previous screen attempts, getting a decent push on his man at the LOS before getting out in front and getting a decent block in open space.
Brown also gets downfield nicely, showing decent speed and moving pretty well in space.
Needed to get a better block, but the Chiefs finally get positive yardage with the screen with a 10 yard gain.

Sixteenth play
Both hold their blocks as Guttierrez throws the fade that leads to the pas interference that puts the Chiefs on the one.

Seventeenth play
Both Brown and Harris actually do a nice job of getting underneath their man, but nobody blocks Martail Burnett (and absolute whiff by Cottam), and Javarris Williams is slow to get to the LOS.

Eighteenth play
Harris pushes his man into the turf.
Brown doesn't block anyone.

Nineteenth play
Both again do a nice job of getting underneath their men, but again, Cottam is just watching the action while Bunett comes in from the backside, and Jed Collins makes Brinley look all pro.

Twentieth and final play
Not really much to say here.
The quick fade so neither have to hold their blocks long.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 07:57 AM
Milkman, pick out your favorite snaps from above and I'll post some gifs. I already watched Harris a little bit.

You could take a look at the Texans game, too.

milkman
08-29-2009, 08:25 AM
Eh, I'll leave the gif choices up to you.

I thought they both played better against the Texans, but they still show promise in this game.

TFG
08-29-2009, 08:41 AM
Eh, I'll leave the gif choices up to you.

I thought they both played better against the Texans, but they still show promise in this game.


Thanks.

Harris is quite raw and green, but his physical attributes and his athleticism are really "of Pro Bowl caliber."

Scary move to assume he can be cut and PS-ed. Especially if he didn't make error(s) against Houston, which has a need for a young athletic interior (or three). When you have a raw but superior athlete at OL, you don't risk him on the waiver wire, no matter how clueless you think the rest of the NFL is about him.

Chris Chester has SUKKED at ORG for the Ravens so far. The Ravens ORT may very well tell OZ to GRAB THAT HARRIS if he gets cut.... because that Ravens ORT was Ole Miss OLT last year.


The "hope" of the Skins cutting former Maryland C Edwin Williams took a nosedive last night. Williams was not on the "second unit" as it came out. Then the OLG starting getting owned, and Williams got inserted there in Q3 for a series, and looked fine (this is a "real time" review, not a tape). Then ORG Chad Rinehart whiffed badly on an old Chief castoff (Williams) and in Edwin Williams went to ORG for about the final 10 minutes, and again was demonstrating superior power (against second/third teamers). I think the Skins will keep Edwin. Had their "second unit" OGs not looked awful, Williams was going to be "stealth" PS material and not play PS game 3. Then reality set in. Aside from poor Kevin O'Connell, Chad Rinehart's brief NFL career may have ended last night. The Skins could still be dumb and try to sneak Edwin on the PS, but if they do, there should be a loud "grab this guy" protest outside of Pioli's office. If you get the replay of Skins-Pats, go ahead and look for #50 at OLG in mid Q3 and then ORG for the final 10 minutes. Then remember that this kid has an absolutely flawless snapping motion and was a two time All ACC and Academic All ACC Center at Maryland who never missed a snap and almost never had a problem with a snap - none that I saw.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 08:52 AM
Milkman, does Harris remind you at all of Will Shields?

milkman
08-29-2009, 09:02 AM
Milkman, does Harris remind you at all of Will Shields?

He reminds more of Waters than Shields.

Neither could match Shields athletically, and neither are as fast as Shields was, nor as graceful and fluid in open space.

TFG
08-29-2009, 09:30 AM
He reminds more of Waters than Shields.

Neither could match Shields athletically, and neither are as fast as Shields was, nor as graceful and fluid in open space.


Interesting. I would have an opposite take. I would suggest that Shields had more power than Harris, but athletically they were close. I would not bet against Harris in a footrace of any kind. Harris is a 300 RB. Its not that Harris doesn't have power, he does. Its just that Shields had more power.

milkman
08-29-2009, 09:49 AM
Interesting. I would have an opposite take. I would suggest that Shields had more power than Harris, but athletically they were close. I would not bet against Harris in a footrace of any kind. Harris is a 300 RB. Its not that Harris doesn't have power, he does. Its just that Shields had more power.

Shields had no holes in his game.

He was fast, athletic, quick and powerful, which is the reason he was one of the best ever to play his position.

Harris looked pretty good getting to the outside of the RT to pull, but Shields was unbelievably quick getting to the outside of the LT to pull.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 10:28 AM
He reminds more of Waters than Shields.

Neither could match Shields athletically, and neither are as fast as Shields was, nor as graceful and fluid in open space.

I just thought his body type was a little like Shields. I don't think he's as squatty as Waters.

milkman
08-29-2009, 10:39 AM
I just thought his body type was a little like Shields. I don't think he's as squatty as Waters.

Maybe, but I'm watching how they move more than what thier body types are.

TFG
08-29-2009, 11:28 AM
I just thought his body type was a little like Shields. I don't think he's as squatty as Waters.


Which is another thing we agree about, and its kinda weird, because the OLG is supposed to be the "more athletic" and the ORG the "more powerful." Waters and Shields, in their prime, were just so good it didn't matter.

That being said, Harris should be tried at ORG and ORT if Waters is being kept at OLG. Harris actually has experience at ORT, OLG, and C. Until someone shows me something other than Waters and Albert, Harris should be starting with this given roster.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 11:33 AM
I don't know about Harris starting. It'd be nice to think he could but he hasn't proven anything against starters yet.

TheGuardian
08-29-2009, 11:44 AM
Good stuff Milkman.

TFG
08-29-2009, 11:46 AM
I don't know about Harris starting. It'd be nice to think he could but he hasn't proven anything against starters yet.


Yes, but other than Waters and Albert, everyone on the Chiefs to "play against starters" has "proven" what? Yeah, that an upgrade is urgently needed. So what if Harris has a few "rookie" moments.

You need to think about the future - Jack Napier :evil:

SNR
08-29-2009, 12:12 PM
I don't know about Harris starting. It'd be nice to think he could but he hasn't proven anything against starters yet.Speaking of which, how do we know the coaches see the same stuff that milkman and others do?

I haven't heard shit from the coaching staff about Harris, and the depth chart on kcchiefs.com (inadequate, I know, but still...) has him at 3rd string. What if he's not even on the damn team?

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:14 PM
I think you meant to the right?

Harris pulls to the left and gets a body on LB Kenny Onatolu.http://i30.tinypic.com/oid9vk.gif

Speaking of which, how do we know the coaches see the same stuff that milkman and others do?



Good question. I'm not sure these morons even have gifs to look at.

SNR
08-29-2009, 12:17 PM
Good question. I'm not sure these morons even have gifs to look at.You know what I mean. Fans always have a different perspective on certain players than coaches do.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:19 PM
Guion attempts a spin move on Harris pass protect.
Harris ain't buying it.



http://i31.tinypic.com/syvaky.gif

tonyetony
08-29-2009, 12:22 PM
Yes, but other than Waters and Albert, everyone on the Chiefs to "play against starters" has "proven" what? Yeah, that an upgrade is urgently needed. So what if Harris has a few "rookie" moments.

You need to think about the future - Jack Napier :evil:

From what I've read we'll probably see the backups from Miami get more reps with the starters than Harris or Brown. Brown is PS for sure, no way he makes the final 53.

I would love to see Harris get some reps with the first team tonight but it seems the coaching staff hasn't been that high on him up to this point.

I like most of what the new regime has done so far but waiting this long to address the OL is the one thing I wish wouldn't have happened. It seems as if they're a little panicked at this point, but at least they're not staying with "our guys" who we're one of the worst units in the league last year.

milkman
08-29-2009, 12:22 PM
I think you meant to the right?

http://i30.tinypic.com/oid9vk.gif



Good question. I'm not sure these morons even have gifs to look at.

Yeah, I think you're right.

I'll fix that.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:24 PM
This is my favorite snap I think. Strength.

Harris pushed Jimmy Kennedy back 4 yards and to the left, Savage runs through the seam created there for 5 yards.

http://i25.tinypic.com/v3it1y.gif

milkman
08-29-2009, 12:25 PM
Speaking of which, how do we know the coaches see the same stuff that milkman and others do?

I haven't heard shit from the coaching staff about Harris, and the depth chart on kcchiefs.com (inadequate, I know, but still...) has him at 3rd string. What if he's not even on the damn team?

Well, the fact is, I and others could be just full of shit and we don't really know what the coaches are seeing.

milkman
08-29-2009, 12:27 PM
This is my favorite snap I think. Strength.



http://i25.tinypic.com/v3it1y.gif

Damn was I dyslexic this morning?

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:31 PM
This is pretty good. My only criticism is that his man makes the tackle. I think you mis ID'd the defender or something, BTW.

Harris gets out in front and lays a nice block on SS Jamarca Sanford on a quick sweep to the left.

http://i27.tinypic.com/vyo9kw.gif

milkman
08-29-2009, 12:37 PM
This is pretty good. My only criticism is that his man makes the tackle. I think you mis ID'd the defender or something, BTW.



http://i27.tinypic.com/vyo9kw.gif

I was having difficulty making out the jersey number, and since I was focused entirely on Harris, I didn't see where the defender came from.

It looked like 33 to me, but now that I'm watching the rest of the play develop I can see the defender is a LB.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:37 PM
This is a real nice job. Very stout.

Pass protect against Evans again, who again gets no push.

http://i31.tinypic.com/es2atv.gif

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:41 PM
Just curious milkman, do you get the games in HD?

This is decent to me. Just decent. I want to see Harris put that LB on his ass. But he was quick enough to get there and get a piece.

Harris shoots into the second level and gets a minor shot on Jasper Brinkley on a carry by Battle.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2lj4129.gif

tonyetony
08-29-2009, 12:44 PM
Harris is doing ok out there from what I've seen. The problem is Macintosh looks pretty good against 2nd stringers and we all know how good he is.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:45 PM
That's a reel gud seam. Kennedy is no slouch...I know he's a bust but he can play. If Harris can do that to guys like Kennedy, he can play RG IMO.

Harris gets a good push on Kennedy, but gets away with a hold at the end.

http://i28.tinypic.com/24vrvwo.gif

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 12:45 PM
I'm going to look at the Texans game now.

milkman
08-29-2009, 12:50 PM
Just curious milkman, do you get the games in HD?

This is decent to me. Just decent. I want to see Harris put that LB on his ass. But he was quick enough to get there and get a piece.



http://i27.tinypic.com/2lj4129.gif

Just a 60" screen.

You can see there that he stumbles a little coming off the line, then he tries to set himself up toblock and gets another slight stumble.

He should have gone after him aggressively and, as you say, knock him on his ass.

That's why that's not a block to write home about.

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 02:03 PM
Here's some solid work against the Texans.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2s0cxnd.gif

FLATTEN THAT BITCH!

http://i25.tinypic.com/2cqjw90.jpg

This isn't particularly great, IMO, but it's funny how Harris pulls into the scrum, then finds some poor fuck to drag out of it and stomp on. Nasty.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2wrg800.gif

DRIVE!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2i7l3tj.jpg

Mad props to Colin Brown on this play, too.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2vcxiz4.gif

L.A. Chieffan
08-29-2009, 02:40 PM
nice job claythan. thanks

chiefs1111
08-29-2009, 02:41 PM
Great stuff

Mr. Krab
08-29-2009, 04:20 PM
Hopefully sometime during this year these guys are good enough to take over a starting spot. I still think the coaches should make it a habit of rotating 1 backup offensive line who shows promise into the starting lineup to see if he can hang.

TFG
08-29-2009, 04:32 PM
Here's some solid work against the Texans.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2s0cxnd.gif

FLATTEN THAT BITCH!

http://i25.tinypic.com/2cqjw90.jpg

This isn't particularly great, IMO, but it's funny how Harris pulls into the scrum, then finds some poor **** to drag out of it and stomp on. Nasty.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2wrg800.gif

DRIVE!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2i7l3tj.jpg

Mad props to Colin Brown on this play, too.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2vcxiz4.gif





Gosh, those were Great!!!!!!!!!

You cannot appreciate what "potential" he has without seeing it live.

There are times when he pulls and traps and sort of "hesitates" (um, duh, who should I hit, who should I hit...) but that is coachable and will expire with experience. One of the plays from the first half of the Cotton Bowl saw Harris trap and catch a 300 pound Tech DT broadside, splattering him on the ground after a yard in the half in the air. When he lines it up, he is awesome. Notice the ability to sink his hips and "anchor." The kid is green green green and he isn't going to become less green by sitting. Give him eight starts and all of a sudden there will be three top caliber Chief OLs...


Or, don't play him tonight, cut him, and assume Oher won't tell OZ to claim him... :banghead:

Count Alex's Losses
08-29-2009, 05:21 PM
I think my favorite part is how he keeps flattening dudes. That wears on a defender after awhile. Then they see #66 coming again and ohhhhhhhhhhh shit. Nasty streak!