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KILLER_CLOWN
08-31-2009, 05:09 PM
Anti-war groups turn against Barack Obama after Afghanistan surge

Alex Spillius
London Telegraph
Monday, August 31, 2009

Anti-war protesters are planning an autumn campaign against President Barack Obama’s extension of operations in Afghanistan to coincide with the eighth anniversary of the first bombing of the Taliban.

There is rising disillusion among liberals and peace activists that a president who built his campaign on his opposition to the war in Iraq now views America’s other conflict as a “war of necessity”.

Mr Obama has already added 21,000 extra troops to the 38,000 stationed there by George W Bush. In the next few weeks, he is likely to receive requests from the Pentagon for more when Gen Stanley McChrystal, the US commander in Afghanisan, submits a report on the progress of the war.

It is expected to paint a grim picture and offer the president three options for action: increase troop numbers dramatically, increase them less dramatically or leave them as they are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6116178/Anti-war-groups-turn-against-Barack-Obama-after-Afghanistan-surge.html

More Change you can believe in, Obama is not a warmonger. :rolleyes:

KILLER_CLOWN
08-31-2009, 05:37 PM
Afghan vote fraud claims mount

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Allegations of election fraud in Afghanistan soared on Monday ahead of the release of a fourth tranche of results from presidential polls in which incumbent Hamid Karzai is apparently cruising towards victory. Skip related content

Officials were expected to announce results from around half of polling stations later on Monday following the country's second presidential vote, which was overshadowed by an escalating Taliban insurgency and abysmal turnout.

Complaints of fraud are flooding in daily to Afghanistan's Electoral Complaints Commission (ECC), which is scrambling to investigate more than 2,500 allegations that fraud compromised the August 20 elections.

"We have received 691 complaints which are priority A," said EEC spokesman Ahmad Muslim Khuram, adding that 2,097 complaints had been received since election day, with the total since campaigning began in mid-June at 2,564.

The deluge of complaints threatens to compromise the legitimacy of the results and any victory for Karzai, whose seven-year rule has been marred by corruption, rising insecurity and cooling ties with his Western allies.

Priority A is the tag given to complaints that have the potential to affect the final outcome and which must be investigated before the ECC can certify the final results, which are not expected until mid-September at the earliest.

Out of 2.03 million valid votes released by the Independent Election Commission (IEC), which has come under criticism for favouring the incumbent, Karzai won 940,558 and former foreign minister Abdullah Abdullah 638,924.

The figures give Karzai 46.2 percent of votes announced and Abdullah 31.4 percent, according to the IEC website. Karzai needs 50 percent plus one vote to avoid a second round.

The results are being released in stages in a process that IEC spokesman Noor Mohammad Noor said would lead to the announcement of preliminary results between September 3 and September 7, and the final tally on September 17.

Noor said election officials expected to announce results from around 52 percent of polling stations later Monday, which include results from 35 percent of polling stations already made public.

"Until now we don't have the exact figure of participation in the election so we're just counting by polling station and we're just releasing to the media the percentage of the polling stations," he said.

The United States and its Western allies initially welcomed the elections as a success but fraud concerns and early results that point to turnout of 30-35 percent have raised questions about the legitimacy of the outcome.

Sweden's Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, whose country holds the EU presidency, stressed Western concerns about the election and hopes that it can provide a basis for political stability, as he headed for talks with Karzai on Sunday.

Abdullah, who has accused his opponent of rigging the vote, has said he would not accept a compromised outcome and would examine all legal avenues to counter what he called "state-engineered fraud".

Daily attacks and bombings highlight the challenges that the next president will face in combating an insurgency that has made 2009 the deadliest year for more than 100,000 foreign troops fighting against Taliban rebels.

A remote-controlled bomb on the side of a road ripped through a police vehicle in Karzai's home province of Kandahar, killing three policemen and wounding four on Sunday, Arghandab district governor Abdul Jabar said.

In the neighbouring Zabul, where the Taliban also have a strong presence, militants in provincial capital Qalat attacked a logistics convoy supplying NATO forces, killing one security guard, police said.

In northwest Faryab province, four Afghan police staged a dramatic breakout from a militant prison, killing six of their captors in a gunfight that left one officer dead, the interior ministry said.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090831/twl-afghan-vote-fraud-claims-mount-696b303.html

wild1
08-31-2009, 05:42 PM
Change...

(from what he said during the campaign...)

HonestChieffan
08-31-2009, 06:06 PM
Oh come on. Let the Iranians manage their little internal squabbles and the Iraqis will just have to get along, thats all there is to it, and these Taliban people are going to have to sit at the table and have abeer and we can work it all out.

Allah is great. One world.

Can I buy you a coke before the stoning begins. I love the caning best but was unable to be here for that yesterday.

Saul Good
08-31-2009, 06:47 PM
Since he saved the economy and got us out of Iraq, I'm willing to cut him some slack on Afghanistan.

BucEyedPea
08-31-2009, 06:47 PM
Taliban is not our enemy either. Nor is Iran. Nor is Pakistan.Just AQ!!

crazycoffey
09-01-2009, 03:40 AM
you all know I'm deploying to Iraq in a month, right? The whole, "troops being withdrawn" is only true to "combat" troops (infantry/tanks, etc), not all the troops there trying to rebuild the infastructures/community. I'm going to be IN Baghdad.

Oh, and I would rather be going to Afghanistan. Anyday of the week. Wanna know why? cause Afghanistan in on the American minds......

PS, The Taliban IS our enemy, The Iranian GOVERNMENT, is not our friend. Among many other nationalities that ARE fighting our troops in several locations.

God, it amazes me how fucking blind/ignorant some of you can be......

Direckshun
09-01-2009, 04:08 AM
Change...

(from what he said during the campaign...)

What?

He campaigned on ramping up our efforts in Afghanistan.

BucEyedPea
09-01-2009, 07:07 AM
Taliban offered to extradict BL in exchange for stopping the bombing and evidence that BL was responsible for 9/11 ( easy to do) but Bush rejected it. This was reported in the Washington Post October 29, 2001; Page A01

memyselfI
09-01-2009, 07:43 AM
Assembling my son's conscientious objector file in a more expedited fashion...

just sayin.

patteeu
09-01-2009, 07:48 AM
Taliban is not our enemy either. Nor is Iran. Nor is Pakistan.Just AQ!!

Wrong.

patteeu
09-01-2009, 07:50 AM
What?

He campaigned on ramping up our efforts in Afghanistan.

He's going to give up in Afghanistan before it's all said and done. You can quote me.

BucEyedPea
09-01-2009, 08:14 AM
Wrong.

Blah! Blah! Blah!

KILLER_CLOWN
09-01-2009, 10:00 AM
PS, The Taliban IS our enemy, The Iranian GOVERNMENT, is not our friend. Among many other nationalities that ARE fighting our troops in several locations.

Taliban works for our government see the airlift of evil, Iranians haven't started a war with anyone in 200 years unless you count the puppet Mousavi we paid to blow up our own marines in 1983.

***SPRAYER
09-01-2009, 10:09 AM
you all know I'm deploying to Iraq in a month, right? The whole, "troops being withdrawn" is only true to "combat" troops (infantry/tanks, etc), not all the troops there trying to rebuild the infastructures/community. I'm going to be IN Baghdad.

Oh, and I would rather be going to Afghanistan. Anyday of the week. Wanna know why? cause Afghanistan in on the American minds......

PS, The Taliban IS our enemy, The Iranian GOVERNMENT, is not our friend. Among many other nationalities that ARE fighting our troops in several locations.

God, it amazes me how ****ing blind/ignorant some of you can be......

Keep your head down, brother.

patteeu
09-01-2009, 10:09 AM
Taliban works for our government see the airlift of evil, Iranians haven't started a war with anyone in 200 years unless you count the puppet Mousavi we paid to blow up our own marines in 1983.

I'm concerned for you.

***SPRAYER
09-01-2009, 10:10 AM
I'm concerned for you.

He's way out there, but I like him.

ChiTown
09-01-2009, 10:12 AM
you all know I'm deploying to Iraq in a month, right? The whole, "troops being withdrawn" is only true to "combat" troops (infantry/tanks, etc), not all the troops there trying to rebuild the infastructures/community. I'm going to be IN Baghdad.

Oh, and I would rather be going to Afghanistan. Anyday of the week. Wanna know why? cause Afghanistan in on the American minds......

PS, The Taliban IS our enemy, The Iranian GOVERNMENT, is not our friend. Among many other nationalities that ARE fighting our troops in several locations.

God, it amazes me how ****ing blind/ignorant some of you can be......

God's speed, CC

patteeu
09-01-2009, 10:16 AM
He's way out there, but I like him.

I like him too, but "way out there" is an understatement. He brings some interesting posts to the forum though, that's for sure.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-01-2009, 07:34 PM
I like him too, but "way out there" is an understatement. He brings some interesting posts to the forum though, that's for sure.

I'm a former Neocon that has seen the light, your welcome to come towards it as well. ;)

Bwana
09-01-2009, 09:01 PM
If the the hugging granola crunchers are turning on him, he is seriously fucked.

patteeu
09-01-2009, 10:45 PM
If the the hugging granola crunchers are turning on him, he is seriously ****ed.

He'll run back to them and apologize before it's all said and done.

Direckshun
09-01-2009, 10:50 PM
He's going to give up in Afghanistan before it's all said and done. You can quote me.

How is what Obama's doing now in Afghanistan any different from what he said he was going to do in the campaign?

Seriously. That's the second time in a week wild1 simply posts without tethering himself to the truth even one bit.

Bwana
09-01-2009, 10:50 PM
He'll run back to them and apologize before it's all said and done.

I have little doubt he will try.

Saggysack
09-02-2009, 05:39 AM
I've got an extra burn bag and I'm willing to use it. Porridge, anyone?