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HonestChieffan
09-01-2009, 01:29 PM
As Soft war is played by Obama, this is what is going on in Iran. How can anyone accept radical muslim as a religion? We need more and bigger bombs.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214

Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners

by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz


(IsraelNN.com) A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.
The gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad.

Warning: The imam's question-and-answer session, partially reproduced here, contains disturbing descriptions of the sanctioned brutality.

In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.

According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."

At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.

Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.

"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."

This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.

Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."

A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:

"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."

One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."

KC native
09-01-2009, 01:35 PM
First off, your point? Who gives a fuck if they're willing to stoop that low? We aren't and are better for it.

Second, it came from an Imam that Ahmindumbass consults with so I highly doubt this person serves in a government capacity.

Third, it comes from Israeli National News. Israel has been beating the war drums for Iran for awhile. I don't trust this and would be interested to see Frankie's take on what was actually said versus and Israeli translation.

HonestChieffan
09-01-2009, 02:22 PM
You outdo yourself on the dumbassery scale from time to time. I doubt you can top defending this sort of thing but you have proven us wrong before.

BucEyedPea
09-01-2009, 02:30 PM
Well GOSH! HC, we back the same Shia's who are in power in Iran who have been torturing the former Sunni's who were in power. At least be consistent.

It's really none of our business. You don't bomb countries because you don't like their internal affairs.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-01-2009, 02:33 PM
First off, your point? Who gives a **** if they're willing to stoop that low? We aren't and are better for it.

Second, it came from an Imam that Ahmindumbass consults with so I highly doubt this person serves in a government capacity.

Third, it comes from Israeli National News. Israel has been beating the war drums for Iran for awhile. I don't trust this and would be interested to see Frankie's take on what was actually said versus and Israeli translation.

Yup.

|Zach|
09-01-2009, 02:34 PM
Iran's ethics or lack therof have no effect on how I or my country should view theirs.

They are not the standard. We are.