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***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 04:52 AM
The trial of three of the men accused of the rape and murder of one of South Africa's leading sportswomen, the openly gay football star Eudy Simelane, starts in South Africa on Wednesday.

Thirty-one lesbian women have been reported raped and murdered in homophobic attacks in South Africa since 1998.

But according to Triangle - a gay rights organisation - only two cases of "corrective rape" have ever made it to the courts; there has been only one conviction.

"This is a sad fact in this country generally, women are very reluctant to come forward," says Sharon Cox from Triangle.

"Corrective rape" is the term used to describe the rape of a lesbian woman by a man to either punish her, or "correct" her behaviour.

Ms Cox says rape is power is South Africa.

"The thinking is, all it takes is one good man to cure you of being a lesbian," she told the BBC's Newshour programme.

Triangle says it deals with up to 10 new cases of corrective rape every week.

Support groups claim an increasingly aggressive and macho political environment is contributing to the inaction of the police over attacks on lesbians and is part of a growing cultural lethargy towards the high levels of gender-based violence in South Africa.

But with the possibility of convictions in the Eudy Simelane case, and another case ongoing in Cape Town, Ms Cox is hopeful of change.

"If we do get sentences in these cases it will be a great step forward for human rights, for women's rights and for gay and lesbian rights."

Gang rape

South Africa has one of the highest rates of sexual violence in the world.

More than 54,000 cases are reported to the police each year.

Among men in their early twenties it has become almost a game.

There is even a term for the man who leads the process - he is know as the "marhasimani".

"A marhasimani is someone who goes to the club, buys a woman a few beers, then with his friends, he would take that woman and go away and have sex with her," one young man told the BBC on the understanding of anonymity.

Another of the group sitting in a bar in the city of Kempton Park, north-east of Johannesburg, explains how it works.

He says the friends hide under the bed until the first man is finished and has left the room, then they take turns having sex with the woman, pretending to be the first man.

"The room is dark and the girl is not even going to notice if it's the second guy sleeping with her," explains another friend in the group.

When they are challenged to admit that what they are doing constitutes gang rape, they all deny it.

"It's not about her, we bought her drinks, you know how drinks are expensive," says one of them.

"We can't say it's gang rape because, OK, I know sometimes we have to drug the girl and everything, but it does not happen all the time," says another.

"Most of the time when it does happen, the girl is taking some drinks, but she is quite aware of what is happening."

In a report earlier this year, the charity Actionaid spoke to 23-year-old Zakhe, who had two friends raped and killed, and was threatened with rape herself.

"They tell me that they will kill me, they will rape me and after raping me I will become a girl. I will become a straight girl," she said.

At the heart of these different manifestations of rape are deep-rooted cultural stereotypes - that men have ownership over women and are of greater importance.

These are views based on traditional values and gender roles that have been enforced in homes and villages in the past and have been largely unchallenged.

Sense of entitlement

Dumisani Rebombo is a former rapist who now speaks openly and with great remorse about his crime.

He was just 15 when he raped a young woman in his village with two of his friends.

He admits giving in to peer pressure: "I did it to prove that I was a boy but also wanting to be accepted.

"It's not something that I enjoyed… Immediately I was engulfed with guilt and fear."

Mr Rebombo now works for the Olive Leaf Foundation, an NGO working with men to prevent rape.

He believes that the problem is partly societal - that boys are raised with a sense of entitlement, and the belief that they can to do whatever they want with women.

"Boys are socialised to be tough, to be macho."

The other problem he says is the lack of willingness for anyone to challenge these assumptions.

"You could have as many good men as bad, but if you have silence in communities, I think that silence is very loud."





http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8171874.stm

KC native
09-02-2009, 07:51 AM
OH NOES!!!!!! Durr iz m0r3 sk33ry blaque peepolez/shtsprayer

WilliamTheIrish
09-02-2009, 08:57 AM
More of that alterior lifestyle making the Africans crazy.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 08:59 AM
This might be taking the concept of "wing man" to an unacceptable level.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 08:59 AM
OH NOES!!!!!! Durr iz m0r3 sk33ry blaque peepolez/shtsprayer

Is the race card just a reflexive play for you?

KC native
09-02-2009, 09:08 AM
Is the race card just a reflexive play for you?

:spock: Really, so you're going to ignore all the racist shit he has posted here? I know you've tried (unsuccessfully) to justify his racism but it's clear what his intent is. I used to respect your ability to twist words (I regarded it as a sign of some form of intelligence) but I have lost any respect for you that I've ever had. If you want to be lumped in with Sht Sprayer then that's your choice but there was no race card played by me only more racism by him.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 09:17 AM
:spock: Really, so you're going to ignore all the racist shit he has posted here? I know you've tried (unsuccessfully) to justify his racism but it's clear what his intent is. I used to respect your ability to twist words (I regarded it as a sign of some form of intelligence) but I have lost any respect for you that I've ever had. If you want to be lumped in with Sht Sprayer then that's your choice but there was no race card played by me only more racism by him.

You brought race into this discussion, he didn't. Check yourself.

KC native
09-02-2009, 09:18 AM
You brought race into this discussion, he didn't.

:spock:So, you're going to ignore his other two recent threads that were full of racist shit? One of which was about South Africa and this is just an extension of that.

RaiderH8r
09-02-2009, 09:23 AM
:spock: Really, so you're going to ignore all the racist shit he has posted here? I know you've tried (unsuccessfully) to justify his racism but it's clear what his intent is. I used to respect your ability to twist words (I regarded it as a sign of some form of intelligence) but I have lost any respect for you that I've ever had. If you want to be lumped in with Sht Sprayer then that's your choice but there was no race card played by me only more racism by him.

So rape isn't running rampant in South Africa? Link?

KC native
09-02-2009, 09:26 AM
So rape isn't running rampant in South Africa? Link?

Ah, another conservative willing to overlook sht sprayer's racist tone and actions? :bravo:

I never said it wasn't a problem but if you idiots want to overlook his intent then it says a lot about your moral compass.

stevieray
09-02-2009, 09:28 AM
You brought race into this discussion, he didn't. Check yourself.
next up, the shame game..it gets flipped onto you.

KC native
09-02-2009, 09:29 AM
next up, the shame game.

What's that dress up suzie, you don't have anything to add to the discussion?

RaiderH8r
09-02-2009, 09:36 AM
Ah, another conservative willing to overlook sht sprayer's racist tone and actions? :bravo:

I never said it wasn't a problem but if you idiots want to overlook his intent then it says a lot about your moral compass.

So your problem isn't with the article posted but rather who posted it? Got it. So there is a rape problem in South Africa?

I don't agree with everything the guy says but I'm not going to devine some devious implicit intent here unless and until he says it.

What I see right now is a BBC article outlining a rape problem in South Africa and you getting butthurt because SHTSPRAYER posted it. If you're devining a racist message from this then that is on you.

KC native
09-02-2009, 09:38 AM
So your problem isn't with the article posted but rather who posted it? Got it. So there is a rape problem in South Africa?

How is that problem relevant to the US in any way?

stevieray
09-02-2009, 09:39 AM
What's that dress up suzie, you don't have anything to add to the discussion?

feeling guilty?

KC native
09-02-2009, 09:39 AM
feeling guilty?

:spock:For?

RaiderH8r
09-02-2009, 09:42 AM
How is that problem relevant to the US in any way?

More to the point, how is that problem relevant to my life in any way? Just like how is the uninsured in America relevant to my life in any way? There's a lot of shit that I just could go ahead and not care about but for shits and giggles I'm gonna stick around and watch your panties get all wadded up anyway.

Brock
09-02-2009, 09:42 AM
How is that problem relevant to the US in any way?

Does it have to be?

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 09:46 AM
:spock: Really, so you're going to ignore all the racist shit he has posted here? I know you've tried (unsuccessfully) to justify his racism but it's clear what his intent is. I used to respect your ability to twist words (I regarded it as a sign of some form of intelligence) but I have lost any respect for you that I've ever had. If you want to be lumped in with Sht Sprayer then that's your choice but there was no race card played by me only more racism by him.

I don't know about this article but smart people know what he is trying to pull. Since he has been banned 3 times now for spewing racist shit he is trying a different approach by not trying to be so obvious but it is not working.

I would think all of us should come to some kind of agreement that he contributes nothing and is a racist and is race baiting. I have even read posts from some conservatives on here about him being a racist. Honestly I am thinking a forum vote is about due to finally rid of him since the mods won't.

Inspector
09-02-2009, 09:49 AM
I know a woman who had sex with a gay guy.

He was still gay afterwards.

I guess it didn't work.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 09:53 AM
next up, the shame game..it gets flipped onto you.

Yes, indeed. My moral compass is in question now.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L6NW1UySEKs/Sd0Md0VauUI/AAAAAAAABJo/pStPslhurW4/s200/moral+compass.jpg

patteeu
09-02-2009, 09:55 AM
I don't know about this article but smart people know what he is trying to pull. Since he has been banned 3 times now for spewing racist shit he is trying a different approach by not trying to be so obvious but it is not working.

I would think all of us should come to some kind of agreement that he contributes nothing and is a racist and is race baiting. I have even read posts from some conservatives on here about him being a racist. Honestly I am thinking a forum vote is about due to finally rid of him since the mods won't.

So what's he trying to pull?

KC native
09-02-2009, 09:57 AM
So what's he trying to pull?

You are a piece of shit for trying to defend him.

HonestChieffan
09-02-2009, 09:59 AM
If they were Iraqi's it would be seen as a good thing.

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:02 AM
You are a piece of shit for trying to defend him.

Are you suggesting that rape is not common in South Africa, or Africa in general?

KC native
09-02-2009, 10:04 AM
Are you suggesting that rape is not common in South Africa, or Africa in general?

Leave it to donger to be willfully obtuse and choose to completely ignore my point :bravo:

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:07 AM
Leave it to donger to be willfully obtuse and choose to completely ignore my point :bravo:

I fully understand that you are a racist, too.

KC native
09-02-2009, 10:09 AM
I fully understand that you are a racist, too.

ROFL So you wanting to rush to shtsprayers defense like patty?

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 10:09 AM
So what's he trying to pull?

He is trying to be slick and hide his racist feelings instead of what he used to do by calling minorities niggers, wetbacks, and monkeys.

If you look through that black Marine thread there is a few conservatives who called him out so I think there is some consensus building and people can see through what he is doing even if you can't or don't want to.

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:10 AM
ROFL So you wanting to rush to shtsprayers defense like patty?

I'll defend anyone who is posting facts, yes.

KC native
09-02-2009, 10:12 AM
I'll defend anyone who is posting facts, yes.

So how about his Marines thread? You defending that one? Or how about the multiple slurs he has used here? You saying he shouldn't have been banned?

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 10:16 AM
I'll defend anyone who is posting facts, yes.

Like apartheid was good? I honestly couldn't believe I read that.

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:19 AM
So how about his Marines thread? You defending that one? Or how about the multiple slurs he has used here? You saying he shouldn't have been banned?

I didn't really follow that thread beyond the start, so perhaps you could point out what your issue is with that thread?

What slurs has he used in this thread?

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:22 AM
Like apartheid was good? I honestly couldn't believe I read that.

I hadn't read that thread, but he seems to be stating that when apartheid was in place, SA did not have the problems it has now.

Is that correct?

Radar Chief
09-02-2009, 10:24 AM
So your problem isn't with the article posted but rather who posted it? Got it. So there is a rape problem in South Africa?

I don't agree with everything the guy says but I'm not going to devine some devious implicit intent here unless and until he says it.

What I see right now is a BBC article outlining a rape problem in South Africa and you getting butthurt because SHTSPRAYER posted it. If you're devining a racist message from this then that is on you.

Pretty much.
Glad I read the topic first, I was about to post the same thing.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 10:26 AM
Its impossible to take this thread and discuss it in isolation of SHT's other recent threads. Its OBVIOUS that he's posting threads about black-skinned people doing bad things, combining to make an overt declaration that blacks are savages. This is old-school racism at its best; it doesn't need slurs.

He's free to hold these opinions, of course, but the others members of this forum should be universally ripping him to shreds for it.

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:32 AM
Its impossible to take this thread and discuss it in isolation of SHT's other recent threads. Its OBVIOUS that he's posting threads about black-skinned people doing bad things, combining to make an overt declaration that blacks are savages. This is old-school racism at its best; it doesn't need slurs.

He's free to hold these opinions, of course, but the others members of this forum should be universally ripping him to shreds for it.

I don't see why I should "rip" him for pointing out that there are black racists, anymore than I don't see why I should "rip" some other person for pointing out that there are white racists.

If he were to use a racial slur, such as those that are filtered here, I'd call him on it.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 10:35 AM
I don't see why I should "rip" him for pointing out that there are black racists, anymore than I don't see why I should "rip" some other person for pointing out that there are white racists.

That's not what he is doing. Look, I know that you're having fun here riling up the feathers of some of us by defending SHT. No matter how dumb you play about this, I know that you aren't someone to seriously defend SHT's crazy opinions.

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 10:37 AM
I hadn't read that thread, but he seems to be stating that when apartheid was in place, SA did not have the problems it has now.

Is that correct?

I am sure during slavery America didn't have alot of black crime too. Does that make it right?

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:37 AM
That's not what he is doing. Look, I know that you're having fun here riling up the feathers of some of us by defending SHT. No matter how dumb you play about this, I know that you aren't someone to seriously defend SHT's crazy opinions.

Perhaps if you could point out some of these opinions, I'll gladly tell you whether or not I'll defend them.

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 10:38 AM
Its impossible to take this thread and discuss it in isolation of SHT's other recent threads. Its OBVIOUS that he's posting threads about black-skinned people doing bad things, combining to make an overt declaration that blacks are savages. This is old-school racism at its best; it doesn't need slurs.

He's free to hold these opinions, of course, but the others members of this forum should be universally ripping him to shreds for it.

Yep 100% correct. It is so obvious what he is doing.

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:39 AM
I am sure during slavery America didn't have alot of black crime too. Does that make it right?

I don't know if there was a lot of black crime during slavery or not. If you or anyone else were to make a thread showing the facts one way or the other, that's fine. If it was shown that there was not a lot of black crime during slavery, I would not suggest that perhaps slavery was a good thing, no.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 10:46 AM
Perhaps if you could point out some of these opinions, I'll gladly tell you whether or not I'll defend them.
I'm not playing this game. Read his latest threads. It will be apparent that this thread is an extension of the others.

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 10:46 AM
I don't know if there was a lot of black crime during slavery or not. If you or anyone else were to make a thread showing the facts one way or the other, that's fine. If it was shown that there was not a lot of black crime during slavery, I would not suggest that perhaps slavery was a good thing, no.

I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to say that black crime was probably fairly low during that time period and I doubt they kept records anyway of it. But maybe they did.

Either way I can't believe that people from this country would support enslaving people or keeping them as slaves or segregating them.

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:47 AM
I'm not playing this game. Read his latest threads. It will be apparent that this thread is an extension of the others.

Yes, he seems to have a fascination with Black people. He also seems to have a fascination with pointing out the flaws of some of them.

Is he making anything up, however?

Donger
09-02-2009, 10:47 AM
I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to say that black crime was probably fairly low during that time period and I doubt they kept records anyway of it. But maybe they did.

Either way I can't believe that people from this country would support enslaving people or keeping them as slaves or segregating them.

Nor would I.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 10:48 AM
He is trying to be slick and hide his racist feelings instead of what he used to do by calling minorities ****ers, person of Hispanic heritages, and monkeys.

If you look through that black Marine thread there is a few conservatives who called him out so I think there is some consensus building and people can see through what he is doing even if you can't or don't want to.

He posted a thread that didn't mention race at all. How is he the racist here? All the prejudice is coming from people like you and KC Native.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 10:49 AM
Its impossible to take this thread and discuss it in isolation of SHT's other recent threads. Its OBVIOUS that he's posting threads about black-skinned people doing bad things, combining to make an overt declaration that blacks are savages. This is old-school racism at its best; it doesn't need slurs.

He's free to hold these opinions, of course, but the others members of this forum should be universally ripping him to shreds for it.

How do you know this story is about "black-skinned people doing bad things"? The article doesn't say that. There are white people in South Africa too, you know, but you assume these people doing bad things are black-skinned? Who's the racist again?

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 10:50 AM
Perhaps if you could point out some of these opinions, I'll gladly tell you whether or not I'll defend them.

?

I see. So because of segregated beaches, the blacks are in a rape and murder frenzy now that they can have access to the beach.

Makes sense. If you're a moonbat. did you ever think that maybe the Dutch Afrikaners understood the nature of the beast?

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 10:52 AM
How do you know this story is about "black-skinned people doing bad things"? The article doesn't say that. There are white people in South Africa too, you know, but you assume these people doing bad things are black-skinned? Who's the racist again?
SHTSPRAYER is. I don't know how you could have forgotten that.

You, more than anyone, have defended SHT's intolerable bullcrap over the months. So of course you wouldn't see this thread as a direct follow-up from his thread about South Africa being a better nation under apartheid.

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 10:52 AM
He posted a thread that didn't mention race at all. How is he the racist here? All the prejudice is coming from people like you and KC Native.

As I stated in my original post in this thread I said I wasn't talking about this thread but some of his others.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 10:59 AM
SHTSPRAYER is. I don't know how you could have forgotten that.

You, more than anyone, have defended SHT's intolerable bullcrap over the months. So of course you wouldn't see this thread as a direct follow-up from his thread about South Africa being a better nation under apartheid.

I'm going to remember that you assumed these bad acting people were black-skinned when I see you in other threads. I don't know if I'll ever be able to get past your racism.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 11:00 AM
As I stated in my original post in this thread I said I wasn't talking about this thread but some of his others.

How about keeping your off-topic remarks in the other thread then instead of enabling the prejudice of people like KC Native and Reaper16 in this one.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:01 AM
?

I see. So because of segregated beaches, the blacks are in a rape and murder frenzy now that they can have access to the beach.

Makes sense. If you're a moonbat. did you ever think that maybe the Dutch Afrikaners understood the nature of the beast?

The beast part?

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:01 AM
How about keeping your off-topic remarks in the other thread then instead of enabling the prejudice of people like KC Native and Reaper16 in this one.

ROFLROFL Who the fuck am I prejudiced against?

patteeu
09-02-2009, 11:07 AM
ROFLROFL Who the **** am I prejudiced against?

You assumed that the rapists in this article were "sk33ry blaque peepolez". You also assumed that SHTSPRAYER was posting this article for racist purposes. Take your pick.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:09 AM
So how about his Marines thread? You defending that one? Or how about the multiple slurs he has used here? You saying he shouldn't have been banned?

Just for fun, I just reacquainted myself with the CP's Bannable Offenses. "Being a racist" or "using racial slurs" is not among them.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 11:10 AM
You also assumed that SHTSPRAYER was posting this article for racist purposes.
What the FUCK else are we supposed to do?

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:11 AM
You assumed that the rapists in this article were "sk33ry blaque peepolez". You also assumed that SHTSPRAYER was posting this article for racist purposes. Take your pick.

Seriously? You are a piece of shit pat. His intent is crystal clear to just about everyone but you.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:12 AM
Just for fun, I just reacquainted myself with the CP's Bannable Offenses. "Being a racist" or "using racial slurs" is not among them.

:rolleyes: So do you feel he shouldn't have been banned?

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:15 AM
What the **** else are we supposed to do?

Have you considered not posting in his threads that you find objectionable?

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:15 AM
:rolleyes: So do you feel he shouldn't have been banned?

According to CP's Bannable Offenses, no.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:16 AM
According to CP's Bannable Offenses, no.

Quit being a coward and state your position. Personally, do you feel he shouldn't have been banned?

Brock
09-02-2009, 11:18 AM
If you want him banned, just post a poll.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:19 AM
Quit being a coward and state your position. Personally, do you feel he shouldn't have been banned?

I don't make the rules here, KC native. Neither do you. I presume that those who do do not believe that he has violated any of the Bannable Offenses with the threads you people are all in a tizzy about. If he had, he would have been banned.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:21 AM
If you want him banned, just post a poll.

I've never called for him to be banned. I find his racist rhetoric appalling but I'm not a mod and am not going to try and play one to get someone banned.

What I find more appalling than his racist rhetoric is that certain posters (Donger and Patty in particular) try to justify it and say it's not racist.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:22 AM
I don't make the rules here, KC native. Neither do you. I presume that those who do do not believe that he has violated any of the Bannable Offenses with the threads you people are all in a tizzy about. If he had, he would have been banned.

How do you feel about it personally Donger? Are you afraid to explicitly say you support racism? Quit being a pussy and take a stand for once.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:24 AM
How do you feel about it personally Donger? Are you afraid to explicitly say you support racism? Quit being a pussy and take a stand for once.

Not at all. I don't support racism. Just like I don't support illegal immigration. Do you think you should be banned for supporting illegal immigration?

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:27 AM
Not at all. I don't support racism. Just like I don't support illegal immigration. Do you think you should be banned for supporting illegal immigration?

If you don't support racism, then why are you defending ShtSprayer?

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:28 AM
If you don't support racism, then why are you defending ShtSprayer?

What makes you think I am defending him?

patteeu
09-02-2009, 11:31 AM
What the **** else are we supposed to do?

Discuss the topic. Make a relevant joke. Hijack the thread to talk about the time you and a buddy had a 3some with some weird dude/gal in the park. Ask SHTSPRAYER what his thoughts on the article are. Talk about a movie that this article reminds you of. The options are pretty limitless. You decided to play the magic race card as a rhetorical weapon instead.

P.S. Based on your "secret message", I guess I got that rise out of you afterall even if it wasn't really the purpose for my post.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:32 AM
What makes you think I am defending him?

I'm not going to play this game with you today. You are a piece of shit just like patt for trying to defend him. No matter how dumb you play or how many semantic games you play, your refusal to accept his posts for what they are is pure cowardice.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:35 AM
I'm not going to play this game with you today. You are a piece of shit just like patt for trying to defend him. No matter how dumb you play or how many semantic games you play, your refusal to accept his posts for what they are is pure cowardice.

I already asked you in this thread to back up your claim that he has used racial slurs here. For some reason, you have not responded to that request.

Why is that?

patteeu
09-02-2009, 11:35 AM
I've never called for him to be banned. I find his racist rhetoric appalling but I'm not a mod and am not going to try and play one to get someone banned.

What I find more appalling than his racist rhetoric is that certain posters (Donger and Patty in particular) try to justify it and say it's not racist.

What racist rhetoric? Again, it was you who brought race into this discussion. I'm justifying a board member's right to post an interesting article about an unusual crime wave in South Africa and I'm criticizing the people who are trying to bludgeon him with race bats like a bunch of wilding delinquents.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 11:36 AM
Discuss the topic. Make a relevant joke. Hijack the thread to talk about the time you and a buddy had a 3some with some weird dude/gal in the park. Ask SHTSPRAYER what his thoughts on the article are. Talk about a movie that this article reminds you of. The options are pretty limitless. You decided to play the magic race card as a rhetorical weapon instead.

P.S. Based on your "secret message", I guess I got that rise out of you afterall even if it wasn't really the purpose for my post.
That was the purpose. It had to have been, otherwise you are as vile as SHT is; you're too smart to actually be agreeing with someone who has the intellectual capacity of pondscum. You're also too smart to ignore the context of SHT's recent posting.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:37 AM
I already asked you in this thread to back up your claim that he has used racial slurs here. For some reason, you have not responded to that request.

Why is that?

What racist rhetoric? Again, it was you who brought race into this discussion. I'm justifying a board member's right to post an interesting article about an unusual crime wave in South Africa and I'm criticizing the people who are trying to bludgeon him with race bats like a bunch of wilding delinquents.

Your guys' willful ignorance of the whole picture speaks volumes about your views. Plain and simple, you guys support racism.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:39 AM
Your guys' willful ignorance of the whole picture speaks volumes about your views. Plain and simple, you guys support racism.

Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so. Most people learn that before the age of 10.

Do you support illegal immigration?

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 11:40 AM
What racist rhetoric? Again, it was you who brought race into this discussion. I'm justifying a board member's right to post an interesting article about an unusual crime wave in South Africa and I'm criticizing the people who are trying to bludgeon him with race bats like a bunch of wilding delinquents.
There is nothing bad about this thread in and of itself. But when the poster has, in the past two days, made a thread about how black people are naturally more prone to commit physical and sexual violence & how he has "contempt" for black people and a thread about how South Africa (the nation in question in this thread) was better under the conditions of apartheid then the intent of this thread is pretty evident.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:46 AM
There is nothing bad about this thread in and of itself. But when the poster has, in the past two days, made a thread about how black people are naturally more prone to commit physical and sexual violence & how he has "contempt" for black people and a thread about how South Africa (the nation in question in this thread) was better under the conditions of apartheid then the intent of this thread is pretty evident.

I would welcome you to point out specific quotes for review.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:48 AM
Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so. Most people learn that before the age of 10.

Do you support illegal immigration?

Keep dancing and trying to change the subject but it doesn't change the fact that you do support racism.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:49 AM
I would welcome you to point out specific quotes for review.

Just because you willfully fail to see the big picture doesn't mean others do.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:50 AM
Keep dancing and trying to change the subject but it doesn't change the fact that you do support racism.

I can multi-task. Why haven't you responded to my question about a racial slur here? Are you still looking or something?

And, again, I don't support racism. I challenge you to find where I have.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:52 AM
Just because you willfully fail to see the big picture doesn't mean others do.

I've already stated that I think SHTSPRAYER has a certain affection for Black people.

KC native
09-02-2009, 11:52 AM
I can multi-task. Why haven't you responded to my question about a racial slur here? Are you still looking or something?

And, again, I don't support racism. I challenge you to find where I have.

Multi-task? ROFL In normal, non-Donger speak, that means you are a coward that refuses to condemn explicit racism.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 11:53 AM
I would welcome you to point out specific quotes for review.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=305378

There are all his posts; find them yourself. You want me to pick and choose specific examples so that you can put them through your entertaining brand of scholasticism. I'd prefer you read the threads yourself.

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:56 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=305378

There are all his posts; find them yourself. You want me to pick and choose specific examples so that you can put them through your entertaining brand of scholasticism. I'd prefer you read the threads yourself.

Honestly, I don't care enough about this topic to do all that. If you think he's a racist, fine. Like I said earlier, have you considered simply not posting in his threads if they offend you?

Donger
09-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Multi-task? ROFL In normal, non-Donger speak, that means you are a coward that refuses to condemn explicit racism.

If you'd be willing to point out some of his "explicit racism," I'd be happy to review it and respond.

patteeu
09-02-2009, 11:57 AM
That was the purpose. It had to have been, otherwise you are as vile as SHT is; you're too smart to actually be agreeing with someone who has the intellectual capacity of pondscum. You're also too smart to ignore the context of SHT's recent posting.

Maybe the purpose was to try to get you to see how your own prejudice is at work here?

I'm personally more offended by people who over-use the race card in order to stomp out every possible situation in which latent racism might exist (thereby tarring many folks in instances in which no real racism exists at all) than I am by many examples of people who express overt racist thoughts. I'm also offended by people who get uptight about something like this thread but then give a pass to Barack Obama's embrace of Rev. Wright and his racially obsessed church.

In SHTSPRAYER's case, I think he has crossed the line into racism a few times, but no where near the level that justifies the antipathy directed toward him. He's not advocating violence against people of a certain race, nor have I seen him claim that there are genetic differences that make one race superior to another. He's often just talking about legitimate issues in a politically incorrect way. For example, he's critical of illegitimacy and illiteracy among American blacks as compared to other races. That's not racist, it's a fact. Sometimes he crosses the line with his rhetoric, but I see that more as carelessness and efforts to provoke than I see it as hate. Nonetheless, he's treated as if he's worse than Hitler here by some. He deserved to be banned when he pushed too far and violated the rule against using the n-word here, but he doesn't deserve to be banned for racism in general. I'd imagine that he thinks more highly of black people as a group than I think of liberals and than many around here think of conservatives or gays.

***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 12:07 PM
I'm just trying to understand the root causes.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/1ayers006.jpg

Taco John
09-02-2009, 12:10 PM
Why in the world does anyone in America need to worry about tackling a supposed rape epidemic an ocean away?

***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 12:15 PM
Why in the world does anyone in America need to worry about tackling a supposed rape epidemic an ocean away?

Well everybody seemed to think South Africa was important twenty years ago, I'm just curious how come nobody wants to talk about it any more.

http://theargus.today.com/files/2008/10/mandela2.thumbnail.jpg

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 12:24 PM
Maybe the purpose was to try to get you to see how your own prejudice is at work here?

I'm personally more offended by people who over-use the race card in order to stomp out every possible situation in which latent racism might exist (thereby tarring many folks in instances in which no real racism exists at all) than I am by many examples of people who express overt racist thoughts. I'm also offended by people who get uptight about something like this thread but then give a pass to Barack Obama's embrace of Rev. Wright and his racially obsessed church.

In SHTSPRAYER's case, I think he has crossed the line into racism a few times, but no where near the level that justifies the antipathy directed toward him. He's not advocating violence against people of a certain race, nor have I seen him claim that there are genetic differences that make one race superior to another. He's often just talking about legitimate issues in a politically incorrect way. For example, he's critical of illegitimacy and illiteracy among American blacks as compared to other races. That's not racist, it's a fact. Sometimes he crosses the line with his rhetoric, but I see that more as carelessness and efforts to provoke than I see it as hate. Nonetheless, he's treated as if he's worse than Hitler here by some. He deserved to be banned when he pushed too far and violated the rule against using the n-word here, but he doesn't deserve to be banned for racism in general. I'd imagine that he thinks more highly of black people as a group than I think of liberals and than many around here think of conservatives or gays.
I appreciate the honesty. You fucking lunatic.

Donger
09-02-2009, 12:25 PM
I appreciate the honesty. You ****ing lunatic.

Well, IYO, was/is Obama's pastor a racist?

***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 12:25 PM
Whatever happened to Winnie Mandela? She was awesome.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 12:29 PM
Well, IYO, was/is Obama's pastor a racist?
I can't say for sure. Its likely. I was never much interested in that whole controversy. There have got to be a plethora of quotes from him or his sermons that I've never read. I'm not going to defend Wright or vilify him without having read firsthand the pertinent quotes.

***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 12:45 PM
I can't say for sure. Its likely. I was never much interested in that whole controversy.

Of course not. It just wasn't important. But you'll spend the whole day on the internet trying to get me banned.

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 01:08 PM
Of course not. It just wasn't important. But you'll spend the whole day on the internet trying to get me banned.
You haven't posted anything ban-worthy recently. You posted some things that are deplorable, useless, and worthy of universal panning, sure, but not ban-worthy.

Otter
09-02-2009, 01:11 PM
How do you feel about it personally Donger? Are you afraid to explicitly say you support racism? Quit being a pussy and take a stand for once.

This coming from the man who won't state his position on illegal immigration when asked? Again, you're a hypocrite.

You have single handily taken down the IQ of this forum 10 points. And that sir I assure you was no easy task. You're mere presence here makes us all look worse.

Poor KC Native, victim of the man. It's easy to find racism when you're always looking for it.

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 02:29 PM
Yes, he seems to have a fascination with Black people. He also seems to have a fascination with pointing out the flaws of some of them.


Fascination? LMAO that is the understatement of the decade.

How about keeping your off-topic remarks in the other thread then instead of enabling the prejudice of people like KC Native and Reaper16 in this one.

I can hijack any damn thread I want to. Thanks Mr thread policeman.



The beast part?

Obviously.

Donger
09-02-2009, 02:34 PM
Obviously.

Are rapists not beasts?

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 02:48 PM
Are rapists not beasts?
You that whole "willful ignorance" thing that KC Native mentioned? This is a prime example.

Donger
09-02-2009, 02:49 PM
You that whole "willful ignorance" thing that KC Native mentioned? This is a prime example.

So, you don't think rapists are beats? Savages?

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 02:49 PM
Are rapists not beasts?

LMAO

Why are you so retarded?

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 03:12 PM
So, you don't think rapists are beats? Savages?
You either a.) are being willfully ignorant or b.) misunderstood the quote that dirk provided.

Donger
09-02-2009, 03:12 PM
You either a.) are being willfully ignorant or b.) misunderstood the quote that dirk provided.

Are you being a coward?

Reaper16
09-02-2009, 03:13 PM
Are you being a coward?
I don't know where you're going with this.

googlegoogle
09-02-2009, 04:20 PM
He is trying to be slick and hide his racist feelings instead of what he used to do by calling minorities ****ers, person of Hispanic heritages, and monkeys.

If you look through that black Marine thread there is a few conservatives who called him out so I think there is some consensus building and people can see through what he is doing even if you can't or don't want to.

How is it racist to post a news article?

You are inferring and guessing.

banyon
09-02-2009, 07:56 PM
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listopencil
09-02-2009, 08:26 PM
Wow. Pretty horrible stuff. I guess it's not just in America that people attack homosexuals, huh?

J Diddy
09-02-2009, 09:14 PM
How is it racist to post a news article?

You are inferring and guessing.


are you shitting me?

***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 09:55 PM
I think Bunyon, Jdizzy, Dirk, and Rimmer should all go to South Africa and tell the africans there that I was talking shit about them.

***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 10:00 PM
Shhhhhhhyeah thats gonna happen.

J Diddy
09-02-2009, 10:03 PM
I think Bunyon, Jdizzy, Dirk, and Rimmer should all go to South Africa and tell the africans there that I was talking shit about them.

Be careful that you don't put yourself on that high of a pedestal. It's a long fall.

***SPRAYER
09-02-2009, 10:05 PM
Be careful that you don't put yourself on that high of a pedestal. It's a long fall.

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/ColdWar_Obama_Unicorn.gif

dirk digler
09-02-2009, 11:28 PM
I think Bunyon, Jdizzy, Dirk, and Rimmer should all go to South Africa and tell the africans there that I was talking shit about them.

If you buy the ticket and pay for the hotel I will be glad to do it. Just make sure you send me your home address so I can direct them to the right place to rape you.

Of course you will probably invite them in and just bend over because we hear that is how you like it.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 04:49 AM
Two men are due to appear at a court in Johannesburg on Tuesday, accused of raping a five-month-old girl who was discovered covered in blood and in tears.

It is the latest in a series of rapes of baby girls - some of them involving children less than one year-old, which has left South Africans reeling with horror.

Every day the newspapers bring awful revelations: a nine-month-old girl gang-raped by six men; an eight-month-old raped and left by the roadside.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1703595.stm

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 06:09 AM
While I deplore what is going on in South Africa, I don't quite get the point of this thread. Just a bit of news? Trying to get us to do something there? Are we supposed to intervene? What?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 06:24 AM
While I deplore what is going on in South Africa, I don't quite get the point of this thread. Just a bit of news? Trying to get us to do something there? Are we supposed to intervene? What?

Moonbattery.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 06:25 AM
Moonbattery.

What are you talking about?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 06:33 AM
What are you talking about?

It's all the result of moonbattery.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 06:58 AM
It's all the result of moonbattery.

Assuming that you mean moonbattery to be liberalism in general terms, then how is what appears to be a rape rampage in South Africa attributable to liberals/liberalism?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 07:00 AM
Assuming that you mean moonbattery to be liberalism in general terms, then how is what appears to be a rape rampage in South Africa attributable to liberals/liberalism?

Moonbats hate looking in the rearview mirror. It's like daylight to a vampire. I enjoy forcing them to look at the wreckage they leave behind.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 07:08 AM
Moonbats hate looking in the rearview mirror. It's like daylight to a vampire. I enjoy forcing them to look at the wreckage they leave behind.


If I read you right, you're saying that liberals did something that resulted in the rape epidemic.

What "wreckage" was caused by liberals here?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 07:10 AM
Moonbats don't care about the lives they have destroyed. The bloody messes they left behind in Cambodia, Rwanda, Zimbabwe...

The millions of babies they murder. Moonbats. I hate you.

patteeu
09-03-2009, 07:13 AM
I hate you.

:eek: SHTSPRAYER doesn't believe in catching flies with honey. Vinegar or bust!

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 07:15 AM
Moonbats don't care about the lives they have destroyed. The bloody messes they left behind in Cambodia, Rwanda, Zimbabwe...

The millions of babies they murder. Moonbats. I hate you.

You didn't answer my question at all.

What did Moonbats do that is causing a wave of rapes in South Africa?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 07:22 AM
You didn't answer my question at all.

What did Moonbats do that is causing a wave of rapes in South Africa?

Moonbats made Mandela out to be something he was not.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 07:23 AM
:eek: SHTSPRAYER doesn't believe in catching flies with honey. Vinegar or bust!

How does one not walk away hating moonbats when you see the photographs of the killing fields in Cambodia and Rwanda?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 07:27 AM
Moonbats made Mandela out to be something he was not.

What was he? I'm not aware of Marxism (even if he was Marxist) favoring rape. Nor am I quite sure how you could attribute all thsi raping to Mandela, given that he ceased to serve as President over 10 years ago now.

And what should they have done? Let Mandela rot in jail for the rest of his life and ignore the situation in South Africa?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 07:28 AM
How does one not walk away hating moonbats when you see the photographs of the killing fields in Cambodia and Rwanda?

Those are the faults of American liberals? What did liberals do to encourage those events?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 07:33 AM
Those are the faults of American liberals? What did liberals do to encourage those events?

Walter Cronkite reported on the Tet Offensive in 1968 that America was losing, when in reality our troops kicked the living shit out of Victor Charlie and any NVA regulars.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 07:35 AM
Walter Cronkite reported on the Tet Offensive in 1968 that America was losing, when in reality our troops kicked the living shit out of Victor Charlie and any NVA regulars.


Yes, whenever we faced them in battle, we won.

Unfortunately, winning physical battles isn't how you win some wars.

Do I read you right -- Walter Cronkite is responsible for millions of deaths in Cambodia and Rwanda?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 07:42 AM
Do I read you right -- Walter Cronkite is responsible for millions of deaths in Cambodia and Rwanda?

Cronkite's propaganda helped the communists defeat us in Vietnam, which indirectly resulted in the instability throughout SE Asia and the rise of murderous communist regimes.

Rwanda was the responsibility of the UN, which is run by moonbats.

KC native
09-03-2009, 07:58 AM
Cronkite's propaganda helped the communists defeat us in Vietnam, which indirectly resulted in the instability throughout SE Asia and the rise of murderous communist regimes.

Rwanda was the responsibility of the UN, which is run by moonbats.

ROFL You, sir, are a jackass.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 07:59 AM
Cronkite's propaganda helped the communists defeat us in Vietnam, which indirectly resulted in the instability throughout SE Asia and the rise of murderous communist regimes.

Agree to disagree. I note, however, that liberals got us INTO Vietnam in the first place (JFK and LBJ), no?



You missed this one, which I care about more, actually:

What was he? I'm not aware of Marxism (even if he was Marxist) favoring rape. Nor am I quite sure how you could attribute all thsi raping to Mandela, given that he ceased to serve as President over 10 years ago now.

And what should they have done? Let Mandela rot in jail for the rest of his life and ignore the situation in South Africa?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 08:04 AM
You missed this one, which I care about more, actually:


The country rapidly deteriorated into the rape capital of the world shortly after Mandela's ANC came to power.

How is it not his responsibility?

KC native
09-03-2009, 08:07 AM
The country rapidly deteriorated into the rape capital of the world shortly after Mandela's ANC came to power.

How is it not his responsibility?

I guess you didn't learn that correlation doesn't equal causation huh?

Donger
09-03-2009, 08:13 AM
I guess you didn't learn that correlation doesn't equal causation huh?

Do you agree rapes have increased since SA left behind apartheid?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 08:33 AM
The country rapidly deteriorated into the rape capital of the world shortly after Mandela's ANC came to power.

How is it not his responsibility?

If this issue goes back that far, then yes, you'd have to attribute some responsibility to him.

How does that make it the fault of liberals, unless the rise of rampant raping was somehow foreseeable?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 08:33 AM
Do you agree rapes have increased since SA left behind apartheid?

Assuming, hypothetically, that he does agree, what is the conclusion you would draw? That we should have left apartheid alone?

Donger
09-03-2009, 08:38 AM
Assuming, hypothetically, that he does agree, what is the conclusion you would draw? That we should have left apartheid alone?

I would conclude that something changed that led to an increase in rapes.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 08:42 AM
If this issue goes back that far, then yes, you'd have to attribute some responsibility to him.

How does that make it the fault of liberals, unless the rise of rampant raping was somehow foreseeable?

Because liberals are always promoting people for all the wrong reasons. They build up fictitious narratives and it always ends in disaster. But they just walk away and sweep it all under the rug as they move on to the next tres chic celebutard cause.

WilliamTheIrish
09-03-2009, 09:14 AM
Greatest thread ever. I remember distictly where I first heard that Walter Cronkite was a pinko and caused the US to lose in SE Asia. Archie Bunker said it in an episode of All In The Family

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 09:16 AM
Greatest thread ever. I remember distictly where I first heard that Walter Cronkite was a pinko and caused the US to lose in SE Asia. Archie Bunker said it in an episode of All In The Family

The truth is the truth, with or without your approval. Bill.

And thank God for that.

dirk digler
09-03-2009, 09:26 AM
If you buy the ticket and pay for the hotel I will be glad to do it. Just make sure you send me your home address so I can direct them to the right place to rape you.



Hey shitstain are you going to take me up on my offer or won't your unemployment check not cover it?

WilliamTheIrish
09-03-2009, 09:26 AM
The truth is the truth, with or without your approval. Bill.

And thank God for that.

I love having you around. I have watched you come blustering into this forum over a year ago all full of piss and vinegar, smarter than everybody and watched you morph into a complete maniac.


You're like an entire season of Celebrity rehab of the DC forum.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 09:27 AM
I would conclude that something changed that led to an increase in rapes.

Obviously, but lots of things change every day. You need to identify the cause(s).

Donger
09-03-2009, 09:29 AM
Obviously, but lots of things change every day. You need to identify the cause(s).

Indeed. I was just reading that one SA chap blamed it on the familial break down that apartheid caused.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 09:30 AM
Hey shitstain are you going to take me up on my offer or won't your unemployment check not cover it?


Absolutely. What's your address so I can mail the tickets?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 09:33 AM
Because liberals are always promoting people for all the wrong reasons. They build up fictitious narratives and it always ends in disaster. But they just walk away and sweep it all under the rug as they move on to the next tres chic celebutard cause.


IIRC, Mandela was widely supported because he was more or less universally acknowledged as the leader of the movement of the disenfranchised majority of South Africa.

South Africa has done a fine job of making a hash of things. In fact, a number of African countries, in particular, seem to have won independence and completely botched the whole thing, with leaders who are only interested in increasing their own power and wealth, and a general population that is worse off than before.

And yet, it's difficult or impossible to have seen that coming in some cases. Mugabe was practically everything you could hope for as a future leader, but has turned out to be one of the worst of the lot.

Meanwhile, other countries threw off Imperialism and have done perfectly fine.

And while you can complain about Cambodia and somehow pin it on Walter Cronkite. ( :spock: ) it's not that hard to see that the Vietnam war was a complete waste of time, money and blood, in that Vietnam as an independent state has really not done a damn thing to hurt America's national policies or foreign interests in any meaningful way.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 09:34 AM
Meanwhile, other countries threw off Imperialism and have done perfectly fine.


Which ones?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 09:34 AM
Indeed. I was just reading that one SA chap blamed it on the familial break down that apartheid caused.

Did you support Apartheid when it was in effect?

Was it possible to see all this coming as a result of the ending of that system?

dirk digler
09-03-2009, 09:34 AM
Absolutely. What's your address so I can mail the tickets?

134 Shtsprayer likes it up the ass Lane
Someshithole, New Jersey

Now make sure your government unemployment check can cover it. I would hate for your fat ass not being able to eat for a month or two.

Donger
09-03-2009, 09:35 AM
Did you support Apartheid when it was in effect?

Was it possible to see all this coming as a result of the ending of that system?

No, I did not.

I don't know.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 09:36 AM
134 Shtsprayer likes it up the ass Lane
Someshithole, New Jersey

Now make sure your government unemployment check can cover it. I would hate for your fat ass not being able to eat for a month or two.

You sound angry today, Dirk.

Mom brown bag a PB&J again?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 09:37 AM
Which ones?

India, China, Egypt, South Korea (victim of Japanese Imperialism/Colonialism), Brazil, and a bucket of other countries around the world that I"m hardly going to bother researching.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 09:38 AM
No, I did not.

I don't know.

Same here. Nor do I know what the fix is. Nor do I really think it's our problem anyway, sad as the state of affairs is.

Nor, based on your answers, does it seem that you would be able to "blame" liberals the way Shitty is trying to. Using 20/20 hindsight to lay blame on actions that seemed right to most right-thinking (as opposed to right-leaning) people in the world.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 09:42 AM
India, China, Egypt, South Korea (victim of Japanese Imperialism/Colonialism), Brazil, and a bucket of other countries around the world that I"m hardly going to bother researching.



I think the record clearly shows that the British always left a country way better than when they found it (or "Imperialized" it as you libs are so fond of saying).

dirk digler
09-03-2009, 09:45 AM
You sound angry today, Dirk.

Mom brown bag a PB&J again?

Angry absolutely not. My JOB sent me to your favorite city, San Francisco, for a week for a major IT vendor conference. There is 14000 people here yet people say the economy is bad. It must not be to bad.

Also I love PB&J.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 09:52 AM
Angry absolutely not. My JOB sent me to your favorite city, San Francisco, for a week for a major IT vendor conference. There is 14000 people here yet people say the economy is bad. It must not be to bad.

Also I love PB&J.

Alrighty then.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 09:54 AM
Oh ok, I thought you were talking about the continent of Africa.

I think the record clearly shows that the British always left a country way better than when they found it (or "Imperialized" it as you libs are so fond of saying).


I think the British did a better job of it than the other Imperial powers. I'm not sure a native American Indian would agree regarding the improvements to North America, but such is the history of mankind.

Nor do I really think that China or India are/were much better off for having been subject to colonialization. For most of the history of the world, China was in many ways more advanced than most of the European powers.

North Africa has in general done ok on its own. Sub-saharan Africa is more or less a disaster of epic proportions. I'm not sure that things were any better under the old colonial program, however, in part because I"m just not familiar with the history of sub-Saharan Africa. It's hard to fathom that it was worse off, but it's also not really my memory that they even got that much attention during the heyday of colonialism outside of certain areas that had particular strategic signfiicance, such as South Africa.

Donger
09-03-2009, 09:56 AM
Jesus...

A new survey carried out in the South African city of Johannesburg has uncovered an alarming picture of sexual violence.

One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by CIET Africa, non-governmental organisation, said they had been raped in the past year.

CIET researchers trying to find ways of arresting the alarming growth in sexual violence in South Africa said they were shocked by the finding.

Gang rape 'fun'

In a related survey conducted among 1,500 schoolchildren in the Soweto township, a quarter of all the boys interviewed said that 'jackrolling' - a South African term for recreational gang rape - was fun.

More than half the interviewees insisted that when a girl says no to sex she really means yes.

Many of those interviewed also expressed little knowledge about the need to use condoms and to practise safe sex.

'Intolerable'

The boys' opinions differed markedly from those expressed by schoolgirls, many of whom suggested that they were living in an intolerable sexual environment.

Levels of sexual violence differ across the country.

But BBC Correspondent Greg Barrow, in Johannesburg, says the city - South Africa's largest and its industrial hub - is rapidly emerging as the rape capital of the world.

He says the CIET survey will only serve to reinforce that unwelcome title.

CIET says it will be recommending a new approach to the problem in schools, and among the police and community leaders.

It also hopes to focus on the majority of men who do not rape and establish ways of raising their profile as community role models.

As recently as last week, South Africa's first black test cricketer, Makhaya Ntini, appeared in court on rape charges - to the dismay of those who saw him as a potential role model for young sportspeople.

Car hijackings up

The survey was released at the same time as the government's latest crime statistics, which reveal that the rates of murder and rape in South Africa had declined slightly during 1998.

The murder rate nevertheless remains at 52 per 100,000 - eight times as high as in the United States.

Car hijackings last year were up by nearly 9% on the previous year's figure, and the statistics also show an increase in the rate of burglary and mugging.

Donger
09-03-2009, 09:59 AM
Charming fellow they elected, too...

South Africa's government has been repeatedly criticised for failing to address the crisis. Only 7% of reported rapes are estimated to lead to a conviction. Jewkes said: "There's been a lot of concern about the way the criminal justice system works, because it's still woeful."

Before his election as president, Jacob Zuma stood trial for the rape of a family friend. His supporters demonstrated at the court house, verbally attacked his accuser and sang "burn the bitch, burn the bitch". Zuma was eventually acquitted.

dirk digler
09-03-2009, 10:01 AM
Alrighty then.

You don't like PB&J or my statement that the economy must not be too bad?

I would revise my statement in that the economy is still struggling but I think it is getting better and listening to CEO's of major IT companies talking here this week they have the same feeling. If it wasn't companies wouldn't be sending their employees here at $3000-4000 a pop.

Sorry I didn't mean to hijack your love fest for apartheid so you can get back to praising it.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:05 AM
new survey carried out in the South African city of Johannesburg has uncovered an alarming picture of sexual violence.

One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by CIET Africa, non-governmental organisation, said they had been raped in the past year.

CIET researchers trying to find ways of arresting the alarming growth in sexual violence in South Africa said they were shocked by the finding.

One in three? Raped?

Wow.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:05 AM
Charming fellow they elected, too...

South Africa's government has been repeatedly criticised for failing to address the crisis. Only 7% of reported rapes are estimated to lead to a conviction. Jewkes said: "There's been a lot of concern about the way the criminal justice system works, because it's still woeful."

Before his election as president, Jacob Zuma stood trial for the rape of a family friend. His supporters demonstrated at the court house, verbally attacked his accuser and sang "burn the bitch, burn the bitch". Zuma was eventually acquitted.

Great now I can't get a Roy Orbison song out of my head, the one where the background vocals go ZUMA ZUMA ZUMA ZUMA

Donger
09-03-2009, 10:06 AM
new survey carried out in the South African city of Johannesburg has uncovered an alarming picture of sexual violence.

One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by CIET Africa, non-governmental organisation, said they had been raped in the past year.

CIET researchers trying to find ways of arresting the alarming growth in sexual violence in South Africa said they were shocked by the finding.

One in three? Raped?

Wow.

In the past year, no less. That's an amazingly scary statistic.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:07 AM
Gang rape 'fun'

In a related survey conducted among 1,500 schoolchildren in the Soweto township, a quarter of all the boys interviewed said that 'jackrolling' - a South African term for recreational gang rape - was fun.

More than half the interviewees insisted that when a girl says no to sex she really means yes.


This is what happens when you don't let people use public beaches.

:drool:

WilliamTheIrish
09-03-2009, 10:08 AM
I'll bet they have available work. Call now! you may qualify!

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:09 AM
In the past year, no less. That's an amazingly scary statistic.

I wonder what the root causes are?

:drool:

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 10:12 AM
I wonder what the root causes are?

:drool:

I still dont' get what you think they are. Marxism? Nelson Mandela? Doesn't make alot of sense.

patteeu
09-03-2009, 10:14 AM
SHTSPRAYER,

Have you ever considered the possibility that moonbats have actually helped to moderate these SA radicals by moving them away from necklacing toward more tame pursuits like rape-as-sport?

;)

Donger
09-03-2009, 10:15 AM
I wonder what the root causes are?

:drool:

From a quick reading on the subject, the root cause seems to be a general belief that males are superior to females, and that women are just walking holes to be filled by force whenever it suits the males.

dirk digler
09-03-2009, 10:15 AM
I'll bet they have available work. Call now! you may qualify!

LMAO

smack

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:17 AM
I still dont' get what you think they are. Marxism? Nelson Mandela? Doesn't make alot of sense.

I don't know. I just look at it and say "Africans are fucked up". Why? I really don't know. But left to their own devices, everything they touch turns to shit.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 10:18 AM
From a quick reading on the subject, the root cause seems to be a general belief that males are superior to females, and that women are just walking holes to be filled by force whenever it suits the males.

I guess the fathers/brothers/sons of the women in that country are on board with this program as well since absolutely no one seems to be sticking up for the women.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:19 AM
From a quick reading on the subject, the root cause seems to be a general belief that males are superior to females, and that women are just walking holes to be filled by force whenever it suits the males.

I notice that behavior and attitude here in America, too.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:20 AM
I guess the fathers/brothers/sons of the women in that country are on board with this program as well since absolutely no one seems to be sticking up for the women.

Do you think this is just an African thing? I know the Arabs in the north treat women like shit, too, but not to this extent.

patteeu
09-03-2009, 10:22 AM
Jesus...

A new survey carried out in the South African city of Johannesburg has uncovered an alarming picture of sexual violence.

One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by CIET Africa, non-governmental organisation, said they had been raped in the past year.

CIET researchers trying to find ways of arresting the alarming growth in sexual violence in South Africa said they were shocked by the finding.

Gang rape 'fun'

In a related survey conducted among 1,500 schoolchildren in the Soweto township, a quarter of all the boys interviewed said that 'jackrolling' - a South African term for recreational gang rape - was fun.

More than half the interviewees insisted that when a girl says no to sex she really means yes.

Many of those interviewed also expressed little knowledge about the need to use condoms and to practise safe sex.

'Intolerable'

The boys' opinions differed markedly from those expressed by schoolgirls, many of whom suggested that they were living in an intolerable sexual environment.

Levels of sexual violence differ across the country.

But BBC Correspondent Greg Barrow, in Johannesburg, says the city - South Africa's largest and its industrial hub - is rapidly emerging as the rape capital of the world.

He says the CIET survey will only serve to reinforce that unwelcome title.

CIET says it will be recommending a new approach to the problem in schools, and among the police and community leaders.

It also hopes to focus on the majority of men who do not rape and establish ways of raising their profile as community role models.

As recently as last week, South Africa's first black test cricketer, Makhaya Ntini, appeared in court on rape charges - to the dismay of those who saw him as a potential role model for young sportspeople.

Car hijackings up

The survey was released at the same time as the government's latest crime statistics, which reveal that the rates of murder and rape in South Africa had declined slightly during 1998.

The murder rate nevertheless remains at 52 per 100,000 - eight times as high as in the United States.

Car hijackings last year were up by nearly 9% on the previous year's figure, and the statistics also show an increase in the rate of burglary and mugging.

Would it be wrong to call this the Men's Liberation movement? ;)

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:23 AM
In any event, I think it's fair to say that not all cultures have value.

Donger
09-03-2009, 10:26 AM
Do you think this is just an African thing? I know the Arabs in the north treat women like shit, too, but not to this extent.

I was just reviewing some rape statistics, with surprising results (for me, anyway)

South Africa leads the way with 115 rapes per 100,000 women in 2002.

Guess which nation has the next highest?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 10:27 AM
I was just reviewing some rape statistics, with surprising results (for me, anyway)

South Africa leads the way with 115 rapes per 100,000 women in 2002.

Guess which nation has the next highest?

USA? I mean parts of it, you know like Detroit, Newark...

Donger
09-03-2009, 10:28 AM
USA?

No. Canada.

77 per 100,000 women.

Then the USA, with 33 per 100,000 women.

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 10:37 AM
No. Canada.

77 per 100,000 women.

Then the USA, with 33 per 100,000 women.

REPORTED rapes. Unreported rapes, obviously, can't be captured by statistics, and I have little doubt that the Canada is not second, and the US not third in the world in actual rapes.

But still -- Canada has twice the reported rapes as the US, and apparently far more than any other country in the Western world. WTF?

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 10:39 AM
Do you think this is just an African thing? I know the Arabs in the north treat women like shit, too, but not to this extent.

USA? I mean parts of it, you know like Detroit, Newark...

This stuff must really amuse you. I find it fairly contempible, myself.

Donger
09-03-2009, 10:42 AM
REPORTED rapes. Unreported rapes, obviously, can't be captured by statistics, and I have little doubt that the Canada is not second, and the US not third in the world in actual rapes.

But still -- Canada has twice the reported rapes as the US, and apparently far more than any other country in the Western world. WTF?

Well, yes, obviously. I have no idea about why Canada has such a problem..

Amnorix
09-03-2009, 10:51 AM
Well, yes, obviously. I have no idea about why Canada has such a problem..

I'd be interested in any theories Shitty has -- the place doesn't seem to meet his demographic requirements for high rape areas.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 11:55 AM
I'd be interested in any theories Shitty has -- the place doesn't seem to meet his demographic requirements for high rape areas.

There is quite a drop off between #1 and #2 and #2 and #3 but the fact is that #1 the rapes are committed almost exclusively by blacks, and blacks also account for the majority of rapes for #3:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm#one

As for #2, Canada, my word searches are not bearing much fruit. But I do think that the overall demographics between Canada and the US are similar (we have more blacks and hispanics, they have more Asians).

I'll keep searching though because I am curious as to why Canada would be number two (I'm sure there will be some form of moonbattery in the explanation).

Donger
09-03-2009, 11:56 AM
There is quite a drop off between #1 and #2 and #2 and #3 but the fact is that #1 the rapes are committed almost exclusively by blacks, and blacks also account for the majority of rapes for #3:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm#one

As for #2, Canada, my word searches are not bearing much fruit. But I do think that the overall demographics between Canada and the US are similar (we have more blacks and hispanics, they have more Asians).

I'll keep searching though because I am curious as to why Canada would be number two (I'm sure there will be some form of moonbattery in the explanation).

Are you suggesting that the only people in SA are Black?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 11:59 AM
Are you suggesting that the only people in SA are Black?

No, but I am suggesting that the majority, if not all, those rapes are committed by blacks. The racial ratio in victims is probably higher.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 12:00 PM
It didn't take me long to find the moonbattery behind the stats--- the source is the UN:

The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
See also

Donger
09-03-2009, 12:00 PM
No, but I am suggesting that the majority, if not all, those rapes are committed by blacks.

Based on what?

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 12:10 PM
Based on what?

I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise. I mean, in terms of the "rape crisis" this is exclusively a black thing. At least thats how i'm reading it.

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/06/30/sa.rape.crisis/index.html?eref=rss_latest


The fact that whites live in the country I've no doubt some have been arrested for rape. But that negligible when discussing the rape crisis.
Also, they don't break the rapes down by race so that suggests white rape (perpertrators not victims) is pretty low:

http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=875&Itemid=69

If you feel I'm being unfair, perhaps you have a link or two to help me with my assumptions?

patteeu
09-03-2009, 12:33 PM
I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise. I mean, in terms of the "rape crisis" this is exclusively a black thing. At least thats how i'm reading it.

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/06/30/sa.rape.crisis/index.html?eref=rss_latest


The fact that whites live in the country I've no doubt some have been arrested for rape. But that negligible when discussing the rape crisis.
Also, they don't break the rapes down by race so that suggests white rape (perpertrators not victims) is quite low:

http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=875&Itemid=69

Reaper and KC Native seemed pretty certain that the OP article was about black rapists, so there's that too.

Reaper16
09-03-2009, 12:46 PM
Reaper and KC Native seemed pretty certain that the OP article was about black rapists, so there's that too.
Our assumptions were correct. Anyone with even a rudimentary level of rhetorical understanding would have gathered what this thread was about.

Unless they're like you and Donger, who are certainly capable of reading between the lines, but only when it suits you. You "see through" things like health care reform proposals and find that the true motivations are power and control, but you can't see through SHT's shtick? I find that difficult to believe.

ClevelandBronco
09-03-2009, 01:01 PM
I don't know. I just look at it and say "Africans are ****ed up". Why? I really don't know. But left to their own devices, everything they touch turns to shit.

I hear that Tunisia is very nice.

Donger
09-03-2009, 01:04 PM
I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise. I mean, in terms of the "rape crisis" this is exclusively a black thing. At least thats how i'm reading it.

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/06/30/sa.rape.crisis/index.html?eref=rss_latest


The fact that whites live in the country I've no doubt some have been arrested for rape. But that negligible when discussing the rape crisis.
Also, they don't break the rapes down by race so that suggests white rape (perpertrators not victims) is pretty low:

http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=875&Itemid=69

If you feel I'm being unfair, perhaps you have a link or two to help me with my assumptions?

Words like these make me tend to agree that many if not most of these rapists are black, yes: "He says apartheid is partly to blame for the way young men in South Africa have been socialized."

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 01:32 PM
Words like these make me tend to agree that many if not most of these rapists are black, yes: "He says apartheid is partly to blame for the way young men in South Africa have been socialized."

I'm not buying that argument at all. How did Apartheid "socialize" men to rape women and think it is normal behavoir?

It's gotta be something else.

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 01:33 PM
I hear that Tunisia is very nice.

I meant sub-saharan africa, but not for nothing, the libyans and Sudanese are pretty f'd up too.

Pioli Zombie
09-03-2009, 05:33 PM
Shitsprayer, President of Blacks are Evil.
Posted via Mobile Device

***SPRAYER
09-03-2009, 08:25 PM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45836000/jpg/_45836045_mozambiqueafp226.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8070919.stm

In May 2008 international newspapers carried the horrific image of Ernesto Nhamuave - a Mozambican man who was "necklaced" - torched by a marauding mob - simply for being a foreigner.

The 35-year-old father of three later died of his injuries.

It resembled the appalling violence during the struggle against white minority rule.

During last year's xenophobic violence the clashes were between black Africans: locals and those considered outsiders.

Pioli Zombie
09-04-2009, 11:49 AM
Those filthy blacks
Posted via Mobile Device

Saul Good
09-04-2009, 08:02 PM
Those filthy blacks
Posted via Mobile Device

Oh Pioli. Your motives are so pure. It's too bad that you aren't smart enough to express them in ways that are clever and/or interesting.

***SPRAYER
09-04-2009, 08:32 PM
Oh Pioli. Your motives are so pure. It's too bad that you aren't smart enough to express them in ways that are clever and/or interesting.

Pioli is your prototypical white moonbat. A useful idiot.

***SPRAYER
09-07-2009, 07:22 AM
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Bwana
09-07-2009, 07:53 AM
Oh Pioli. Your motives are so pure. It's too bad that you aren't smart enough to express them in ways that are clever and/or interesting.

Heh, yeah, good luck with that. :hmmm:

***SPRAYER
09-08-2009, 06:35 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/04/africentric-school.html

Saul Good
09-08-2009, 06:43 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/04/africentric-school.html

I've got no problem with giving it a shot. The dropout rate of black students is unacceptably high. If this helps, go for it.

***SPRAYER
09-08-2009, 06:55 PM
I've got no problem with giving it a shot. The dropout rate of black students is unacceptably high. If this helps, go for it.

How long are we going keep giving moonbattery "a try"?