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T-post Tom
09-05-2009, 05:56 PM
Cutting Pollard outright is a mistake. They're putting far too much faith in Mike Brown staying healthy. Something he hasn't been often in recent years. Pollard could've been traded. A 5th or 6th Round pick for a young, serviceable Safety isn't too much to ask. Pollard will begin fielding calls here very shortly. He can play in this league.

Lelie? Can't say that I understand this one either. He should've been one of just two candidates for the starting WR job opposite of Bowe. They're counting on Bradley dodging the injury bug. He hasn't been real successful at that during his NFL career. This is a pretty big gamble. Besides Bowe/Bradley you have no one else on this roster you can count on to produce. Engram's been a non-factor all off-season. Someone get me Matt Jones' number.

Darryl Harris had been one of the most consistent Offensive Linemen on the team. Can't say that I know why he was walked. If there's any position along the O-Line where we have more questions than answers (besides RT) it's RG. He should've been able to stick there. As if the Offensive Line depth wasn't paper thin already.

They had better get busy. This team doesn't look better after the cutdown to 53. It looks worse.

I normally agree with your football posts, but not on this occassion. It was time to cut the chaff and that's what the coaches did. I trust their judgement as they work with the players everyday. Pollard missed the boat. The others will be replaced and this will be a better team than the last two years. Yeah, there's a few surprises there, but cuts have to be made. Evolution...

listopencil
09-05-2009, 05:59 PM
Wow, Lelie couldn't even make it on to the Chiefs this year. I'm starting to feel a little sorry for him.

booger
09-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Tony Pashos cut by Jags per PFT

Sully
09-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Eventually we are all going to realize that this regime's method of evaluating players is quite a bit different from, a) the way we evaluate from our couches, and, b) the way other teams do.

JASONSAUTO
09-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Tony Pashos cut by Jags per PFT

he's our guy. get him

JASONSAUTO
09-05-2009, 06:01 PM
Eventually we are all going to realize that this regime's method of evaluating players is quite a bit different from, a) the way we evaluate from our couches, and, b) the way other teams do.

yep. and that may not be a bad thing

booger
09-05-2009, 06:02 PM
both OT's Wesley Britt and Ryan O'Callohan from the Pats cut

JASONSAUTO
09-05-2009, 06:02 PM
both OT's Wesley Britt and Ryan O'Callohan from the Pats cut

who played on the right for them?

KCtotheSB
09-05-2009, 06:03 PM
Can't say I'm shocked about the Pollard cut. Looks like Haley and company were impressed enough with McGraw and Morgan in St. Louis compared to Pollard's shitty play vs Seattle.

Pestilence
09-05-2009, 06:03 PM
both OT's Wesley Britt and Ryan O'Callohan from the Pats cut

www.rotoworld.com

Patriots waived OT Ryan O'Callaghan and S/WR Ray Ventrone.

O'Callaghan didn't have a bad camp, but second-round pick Sebastian Vollmer passed him to be New England's No. 3 offensive tackle. O'Callaghan could probably start for the Chiefs right away.

booger
09-05-2009, 06:04 PM
O'Callohan. 6'7 335

riskrevival
09-05-2009, 06:04 PM
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Lelie? Can't say that I understand this one either. He should've been one of just two candidates for the starting WR job opposite of Bowe. They're counting on Bradley dodging the injury bug. He hasn't been real successful at that during his NFL career. This is a pretty big gamble. Besides Bowe/Bradley you have no one else on this roster you can count on to produce. Engram's been a non-factor all off-season. Someone get me Matt Jones' number.




Yea let's get Matt Jones's number...for what? So we can call and ask him what it's like to play for a winning team like the Titans?

JASONSAUTO
09-05-2009, 06:05 PM
O'Callohan. 6'7 335

damn thats a big dude, sign him too. fuck it we need to sign 3-4 oline players

KCtotheSB
09-05-2009, 06:06 PM
Our starting right tackle is out there somewhere......

booger
09-05-2009, 06:08 PM
Hopefully Harris goes unclaimed and we stick him onthe PS and bump him to the 53 when we get C and RG figured out and the backup spots. Dane is right, he is one of the top 2 guards for us this TC and the best at getting out to pull and lead. Dissapointed to see him cut, hope he clears waivers.

Shag
09-05-2009, 06:09 PM
Our starting right side is out there somewhere......

FYP

T-post Tom
09-05-2009, 06:17 PM
Philadelphia released last year's third-round pick, defensive end Bryan Smith, who might be better suited at linebacker in a 3-4 defense. ~ Adam Schefter

riskrevival
09-05-2009, 06:19 PM
i hope we sign like fucking 10 new guys and cut 10 more goons

Just Passin' By
09-05-2009, 06:24 PM
Some guy named Meredith got axed by Green Bay.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 06:38 PM
yep. and that may not be a bad thing

Keep that in mind when the Chiefs go 1-15 or 0-16 this season

Count Zarth
09-05-2009, 06:41 PM
Keep that in mind when the Chiefs go 1-15 or 0-16 this season

Oh my god, just stop. 1-15 is ludicrous and 0-16 is fantasy.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 06:43 PM
Keep that in mind when the Chiefs go 1-15 or 0-16 this season

weird. i thought the season was just about to start. i didnt know it was over already

go away

your not being a "realist" your being an ass.

it like you want the chiefs to lose JUST so u can say "i told you so"

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 07:09 PM
Oh my god, just stop. 1-15 is ludicrous and 0-16 is fantasy.

Really?

Just who do you think the Chiefs outscore?

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 07:09 PM
weird. i thought the season was just about to start. i didnt know it was over already

go away

your not being a "realist" your being an ass.

it like you want the chiefs to lose JUST so u can say "i told you so"

Gee, I'm sorry I wounded your precious labia with my words.

TheGuardian
09-05-2009, 07:11 PM
Really?

Just who do you think the Chiefs outscore?

Even with the cluster fuck of a team we had last year we won 2 games and were competitive in many other. We're not going 1-15 or 0-16 you fvcking idiot.

splatbass
09-05-2009, 07:13 PM
Really?

Just who do you think the Chiefs outscore?

Raiders, Broncos. At least once each. That makes at least two wins. So how do you get 1-15 or 0-16? Do you really think the Raiders and Broncos can both beat us twice?

Mr. Krab
09-05-2009, 07:13 PM
never mind i see his name now

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 07:13 PM
Even with the cluster fuck of a team we had last year we won 2 games and were competitive in many other. We're not going 1-15 or 0-16 you fvcking idiot.

They didn't teach you how to spell fucking in JuCo, superstar?

LMAO

The Bad Guy
09-05-2009, 07:13 PM
Yeah, claiming that this is a 1 win team is a huge, huge stretch. If Herm Edwards can lead a roster just as bad as this one to 2 wins, a blind fucking monkey could do the same.

I understand the whole "the sky is falling" mentality around here, but that's just nuts.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 07:14 PM
Gee, I'm sorry I wounded your precious labia with my words.

shit gets old fast man give it up.

this isnt "fuck-the-chiefs" planet

JuicesFlowing
09-05-2009, 07:14 PM
Really?

Just who do you think the Chiefs outscore?

Raiders twice, Broncos maybe twice, Bengals, Browns.

*edit Oh and maybe Jacksonville, with their 4,000 fans in attendance.

TheGuardian
09-05-2009, 07:14 PM
They didn't teach you how to spell ****ing in JuCo, superstar?

LMAO

When you have to resort to playing the role of grammar po-po I know I've already won.

And I spelled fvcking like that so that it wasn't ****** out dumbass. You truly are a fvcking moron.

splatbass
09-05-2009, 07:16 PM
Yeah, claiming that this is a 1 win team is a huge, huge stretch. If Herm Edwards can lead a roster just as bad as this one to 2 wins, a blind ****ing monkey could do the same.


This.

kstater
09-05-2009, 07:18 PM
Keep that in mind when the Chiefs go 1-15 or 0-16 this season

Just remember, moves made today likely aren't made for this years team. This season is a wash regardless of what moves they make today.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 07:18 PM
When you have to resort to playing the role of grammar po-po I know I've already won.

And I spelled fvcking like that so that it wasn't ****** out dumbass. You truly are a fvcking moron.

thats danes exit route when he knows hes beat. that or the predictable fuck you...

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 07:20 PM
When you have to resort to playing the role of grammar po-po I know I've already won.

And I spelled fvcking like that so that it wasn't ****** out dumbass. You truly are a fvcking moron.

You didn't win shit in JuCo football and you sure as hell aren't "winning" anything now, Asswipe Superstar.

Go Fvck Yourself.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 07:23 PM
Yeah, claiming that this is a 1 win team is a huge, huge stretch. If Herm Edwards can lead a roster just as bad as this one to 2 wins, a blind fucking monkey could do the same.

I understand the whole "the sky is falling" mentality around here, but that's just nuts.

No, it's not.

Have you LOOKED at the schedule? Better yet, have you watched this team even once? They ARE worse than last season. They subtracted 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's and didn't replace them. They're trying to fit square pegs in round holes defensively. Their offensive line is a fucking sieve and the $63 million dollar QB didn't even make it past 3 plays in the third game.

So many of you guys just aren't realistic in regards to your expectations.

Talk about nuts.

TheGuardian
09-05-2009, 07:24 PM
You didn't win shit in JuCo football and you sure as hell aren't "winning" anything now, Asswipe Superstar.

Go Fvck Yourself.

Well that was predictable.

TheGuardian
09-05-2009, 07:24 PM
No, it's not.

Have you LOOKED at the schedule? Better yet, have you watched this team even once? They ARE worse than last season. They subtracted 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's and didn't replace them. They're trying to fit square pegs in round holes defensively. Their offensive line is a ****ing sieve and the $63 million dollar QB didn't even make it past 3 plays in the third game.

So many of you guys just aren't realistic in regards to your expectations.

Talk about nuts.

And 1-15 is realistic? Dumbest fucking thing ever written here.

pr_capone
09-05-2009, 07:25 PM
Really?

Just who do you think the Chiefs outscore?



Games *I* think we will or at least can outscore the opponent.

Wk 2 Oakland
Wk 10 Oakland
Wk 13 Denver
Wk 14 Buffalo
Wk 15 Cleveland
Wk 16 Cincinnati

Games we have an outside shot to win

Wk 1 Baltimore
Wk 6 Washington
Wk 7 San Diego
Wk 9 Jacksonville
Wk 17 Denver

Games which I will JIMP if we win

Wk 3 Philly
Wk 4 New York
Wk 5 Dallas
Wk 11 Pittsburgh
Wk 12 San Diego

Fruit Ninja
09-05-2009, 07:27 PM
And there he goes! lol good reading material, you guys keep talking back to Dane. I enjoy this.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 07:27 PM
i think we have a better chance at beating dallas than baltimore

Fruit Ninja
09-05-2009, 07:28 PM
Ya, i think we will win a few games, we wont be close to 500, but we will win 3-5 i would say. lol

TheGuardian
09-05-2009, 07:31 PM
We're going to get spanked at Baltimore. Opening day in their house with the O-line in flux and either Brodie or Thigpen at QB. Recipe for disaster. However we will beat the Raiders the next week to start the season 1-1.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 07:34 PM
No, it's not.

Have you LOOKED at the schedule? Better yet, have you watched this team even once? They ARE worse than last season. They subtracted 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's and didn't replace them. They're trying to fit square pegs in round holes defensively. Their offensive line is a ****ing sieve and the $63 million dollar QB didn't even make it past 3 plays in the third game.

So many of you guys just aren't realistic in regards to your expectations.

Talk about nuts.

the defense looks miles better than last year.
larry looks better than last year.
the line(in the last game) looked as good if not better than last year.
we have a hc with a brain now
the fade havent got any better. thats 2 wins.
denver.....1-2 wins
san diego games are winnable. ask thigpen.
cinci is winnable
buffalo is winnable
jax is winnable

nancy

Mecca
09-05-2009, 07:34 PM
Probably then they have Eagles Giants back to back which is ugly.

Just Passin' By
09-05-2009, 07:36 PM
Probably then they have Eagles Giants back to back which is ugly.

So, Brown got sent to IR and Meredith got cut............

riskrevival
09-05-2009, 07:37 PM
We're going to get spanked at Baltimore. Opening day in their house with the O-line in flux and either Brodie or Thigpen at QB. Recipe for disaster. However we will beat the Raiders the next week to start the season 1-1.

and then we will lose the next 6 games

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 07:37 PM
And 1-15 is realistic? Dumbest fucking thing ever written here.

Oh, just fuck off.

For someone who touts themselves as having any type of insight, you really don't know jackshit.

Cockbag.

rambleonthruthefog
09-05-2009, 07:38 PM
dane = know it all pr*ck = brock. but you're not gonna shut em' up, so just try to get under their skin a little.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 07:38 PM
Games *I* think we will or at least can outscore the opponent.

Wk 2 Oakland
Wk 10 Oakland
Wk 13 Denver
Wk 14 Buffalo
Wk 15 Cleveland
Wk 16 Cincinnati

Games we have an outside shot to win

Wk 1 Baltimore
Wk 6 Washington
Wk 7 San Diego
Wk 9 Jacksonville
Wk 17 Denver

Games which I will JIMP if we win

Wk 3 Philly
Wk 4 New York
Wk 5 Dallas
Wk 11 Pittsburgh
Wk 12 San Diego

Good for you, Dude.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

Sure-Oz
09-05-2009, 07:46 PM
Luke Mccown traded to the Jags so there goes any shot of trading thiggy for a 7th rounder

The Bad Guy
09-05-2009, 07:47 PM
No, it's not.

Have you LOOKED at the schedule? Better yet, have you watched this team even once? They ARE worse than last season. They subtracted 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's and didn't replace them. They're trying to fit square pegs in round holes defensively. Their offensive line is a ****ing sieve and the $63 million dollar QB didn't even make it past 3 plays in the third game.

So many of you guys just aren't realistic in regards to your expectations.

Talk about nuts.

Yes, I have. And I've also watched enough NFL games to know that teams luck into 2-3 wins each year simply by having decent coaching, which I think we have.

I'll take Tony Gonzalez out of the equation if it means that I was able to also subtract Herman Edwards and Gunther.

Not realistic? There's one team in NFL history that went winless. One. Yet, you think that this team could 'realistically' not win a game.

Give me a break with that nonsense. I'll let games be played before I start talking about square holes and round pegs.

KC kid
09-05-2009, 07:48 PM
When should we find out if the chiefs claim guys on waivers?

Just Passin' By
09-05-2009, 07:53 PM
When should we find out if the chiefs claim guys on waivers?

Players face waivers for 24 hours before they can re-sign with their teams. I can't recall whether or not Sundays count, but that's your time frame.

stumppy
09-05-2009, 08:04 PM
Yeah, claiming that this is a 1 win team is a huge, huge stretch. If Herm Edwards can lead a roster just as bad as this one to 2 wins, a blind ****ing monkey could do the same.

I understand the whole "the sky is falling" mentality around here, but that's just nuts.


Thats what I was thinking. If the coaching abortion we had for the past few years managed to grease out a few wins goatboy could probably do it by using his Star Wars action figures to diagram game plans every week.

I damn sure don't expect to be watching any post season play but for this team to go 0-16 or 1-15 would be a complete failure of every aspect of the franchise. I just don't see that happening and I'd bet at least 80% of the people who follow football would agree.

Who knows? Maybe whats driving some of the doom and gloom crowds opinion has nothing to do with football whatsoever. Some people naturally look for and expect the worst in things.

Oh well, it doesn't matter anyway. They can think and post what they want it doesn't affect me. Water off a ducks back.

Tiger's Fan
09-05-2009, 08:13 PM
Some guy named Meredith got axed by Green Bay.

JAMON MEREDITH GOT CUT!

You know Jamon Meredith, the single greatest OL prospect in the whole fucking draft?????

How can this type of injustice exist in the world today?

Jamon Meredith is/was Wille Roaf x100000.

This is just fucking crazy man. It really really is.

We should just fire our new GM anyway. He's an overrated assclown for not knowing that Jamon Meredith was almost god like in every possible way!!!!111111111!!!!!111!1!!!!

FringeNC
09-05-2009, 08:29 PM
Yes, I have. And I've also watched enough NFL games to know that teams luck into 2-3 wins each year simply by having decent coaching, which I think we have.

I'll take Tony Gonzalez out of the equation if it means that I was able to also subtract Herman Edwards and Gunther.

Not realistic? There's one team in NFL history that went winless. One. Yet, you think that this team could 'realistically' not win a game.

Give me a break with that nonsense. I'll let games be played before I start talking about square holes and round pegs.

Yeah, it's almost impossible to go 0-16 in the NFL. It takes a rare combination of bad talent and bad coaching. If this team could win two games with Herm Edwards....

I think Vegas has the season total for the Chiefs at 6.5 which seems about right.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:37 PM
I think Vegas has the season total for the Chiefs at 6.5 which seems about right.

The line is 5.5, not 6.5.

I voted in the other thread that they'll be 2-14. The point is that 1-15 isn't out of the realm of reason and there's probably a 5% chance they could go 0-16, especially if Cassel misses a significant amount of the season.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:40 PM
You know what's so ridiculous about the people that attack me for thinking the Chiefs will win 2 games or less?

I have multiple reasons for my reasoning. Those who disagree have none.

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

There are a TON of reasons why the Chiefs won't have a successful season. But there are many people that dispute that without any reasoning.

Unicorns and rainbows.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 08:42 PM
you just love that slogan of yours. make some tshirts.

FringeNC
09-05-2009, 08:42 PM
The line is 5.5, not 6.5.

I voted in the other thread that they'll be 2-14. The point is that 1-15 isn't out of the realm of reason and there's probably a 5% chance they could go 0-16, especially if Cassel misses a significant amount of the season.

And there is about a 5% they win 11 games. So what.

Deberg_1990
09-05-2009, 08:45 PM
You know what's so ridiculous about the people that attack me for thinking the Chiefs will win 2 games or less?

I have multiple reasons for my reasoning. Those who disagree have none.

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

There are a TON of reasons why the Chiefs won't have a successful season. But there are many people that dispute that without any reasoning.

Unicorns and rainbows.

I think if they can find a way to keep Cassel healthy, then they will win 5 or 6 games.

1. Our division is weak
2. I think the run game will be improved


If we cant keep Cassel healthy then yes, we most likely will only win 2 games.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:45 PM
you just love that slogan of yours. make some tshirts.

Considering your obsession with me, I'm surprised you're not wearing one right now.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:46 PM
I think if they can find a way to keep Cassel healthy, then they will win 5 or 6 games.

1. Our division is weak
2. I think the run game will be improved


If we cant keep Cassel healthy then yes, we most likely will only win 2 games.

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I just happen to disagree.

FWIW, isn't that why we're all here? To talk football?

Chocolate Hog
09-05-2009, 08:49 PM
You know what's so ridiculous about the people that attack me for thinking the Chiefs will win 2 games or less?

I have multiple reasons for my reasoning. Those who disagree have none.

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

There are a TON of reasons why the Chiefs won't have a successful season. But there are many people that dispute that without any reasoning.

Unicorns and rainbows.


Who gives a fuck Dane? People bashed me for pointing out how shitty the o-line is. People also bashed my for what I said about Mike Brown and now look whos the starter.

stumppy
09-05-2009, 08:50 PM
The line is 5.5, not 6.5.

I voted in the other thread that they'll be 2-14. The point is that 1-15 isn't out of the realm of reason and there's probably a 5% chance they could go 0-16, especially if Cassel misses a significant amount of the season.


I'd agree thats an accurate statement but to put it in perspective theres probably a 5% chance that any one of a dozen teams could go 0-16 and a 2 or 3 % chance any of the rest of them could go winless.
On the other hand theres probably 2 or 3 % chance the Chiefs will win the SuperBowl. Not that much difference either way when you look at both ends of the scale.
Just a suggestion brother but when the glass is half full life in general is so much better.

Deberg_1990
09-05-2009, 08:50 PM
That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I just happen to disagree.

FWIW, isn't that why we're all here? To talk football?

Absolutely. Alot of guys lose site of the fact that of why we are all here in the first place:

We are all Chiefs fans and all want the team to succeed.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 08:50 PM
You know what's so ridiculous about the people that attack me for thinking the Chiefs will win 2 games or less?

I have multiple reasons for my reasoning. Those who disagree have none.

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

There are a TON of reasons why the Chiefs won't have a successful season. But there are many people that dispute that without any reasoning.

Unicorns and rainbows.

1.haleys offense isnt going to utilize the te so the first argument is almost a nonfactor. you act as if we dont have tony we will never have 1000yds and 10 tds ever again.

Archie F. Swin
09-05-2009, 08:52 PM
I've just received a call from Scott Pioli....I'm being sent to the Chiefs' Fans practice squad.....he said something about a 'lost burst'
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(((teardrop)))
(((sniff)))

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:53 PM
Who gives a fuck Dane? People bashed me for pointing out how shitty the o-line is. People also bashed my for what I said about Mike Brown and now look whos the starter.

Do I care what these two assholes think?

Absolutely not.

Every few months, there a few new members that get all up in arms over my opinions, posting style, etc. After a while, they either "get" me and join in the dialog or they go away and stop responding to me.

But I have to tell ya, these "Dane McCloud" threads are just getting out of hand.

Saccopoo
09-05-2009, 08:53 PM
Who gives a **** Dane? People bashed me for pointing out how shitty the o-line is. People also bashed my for what I said about Mike Brown and now look whos the starter.

Yeah, you're Nostrafuckingdamus. Congrats.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:54 PM
1.haleys offense isnt going to utilize the te so the first argument is almost a nonfactor. you act as if we dont have tony we will never have 1000yds and 10 tds ever again.

Did I specifically mention the position or the player?

No.

I asked "Who is going to replace the 1,000 yards and 10 TD's" we lost in the off-season.

So, what's your answer?

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 08:54 PM
2. the run d has looked better every week

3. apparently you havent watched the chiefs well enough to see that were running the ball rather well.

4. you dont have to run kicks back to be successful

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:55 PM
Yeah, you're Nostrafuckingdamus. Congrats.

I'm so glad you're posting regularly.

You're like the neighborhood welcome wagon.

Saccopoo
09-05-2009, 08:56 PM
Did I specifically mention the position or the player?

No.

I asked "Who is going to replace the 1,000 yards and 10 TD's" we lost in the off-season.

So, what's your answer?

Thigpen operating out of the wildcat. Duh.

Deberg_1990
09-05-2009, 08:56 PM
I asked "Who is going to replace the 1,000 yards and 10 TD's" we lost in the off-season.



A combonation of Bowe, Ingram, Bradley, Copper,LJ, Savage, Battle, etc......and whoever else we bring in...

Obviously no one player is going to make that up.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:56 PM
2. the run d has looked better every week

3. apparently you havent watched the chiefs well enough to see that were running the ball rather well.

4. you dont have to run kicks back to be successful

2. No, it hasn't. First off, Steven Jackson didn't even suit up. Secondly, the Texans and Vikings ran at will.

3. No, they're not. They ran against 2nd and 3rd teamers against the 2-14 Rams. Get a clue. Carriker's out for the year.

4. Yes, you do. Field position is EVERYTHING, especially when your offense can't convert third downs.

Saccopoo
09-05-2009, 08:57 PM
I'm so glad you're posting regularly.

You're like the neighborhood welcome wagon.

Shouldn't you be over in the Dane McCloud for Douchenozzle of the Year Award thread?

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:58 PM
A combonation of Bowe, Ingram, Bradley, Copper,LJ, Savage, Battle, etc......and whoever else we bring in...

Obviously no one player is going to make that up.

Engram's 36. Bradley has never been healthy for an entire season. Copper's not good enough to play in the UFL. LJ will be done by game 8 or before. Savage and Battle can't hang on to the ball.

Fruit Ninja
09-05-2009, 08:58 PM
Ok, here is myarguements. I think over time the offensive line will get better. I think we have a good weak slide of the line. Our strong side sucks, but there is time for them to jell into at least half ass. I think LJ can have a decent year. Not saying he's going to go for 1500 plus or anything, but 1100-1200 yards imo not to far fetched.

We have at least 1 good receiver. I think this 1 good receiver has all the potential in the world. Haley beleives it as well, because he put the squeeze on him big time. Never gave him any compliments. Just said he's doing better. I think he can be one of the best in the NFL. He has the hops, he's fast enough. He's strong enough and yes, i think he has good hands. If he didnt, he wouldnt make some of them circus catches we have seen him make. I have said time and time again, he just has concentration problems. Them kind are fixable. He didnt drop 1 pass in any preseason game.

Bradley imo should be the number 2. He did pretty damned ok for us with Thigpen and Hutard quarterbacking. He just needs to stay healthy.

Defense is a work in progress, but there is no way in hell we are going to only have 10 sacks all year. We s een in the preseason that the starting guys can put pressure. Will they give up the big play and struggle at times? ooh yea. I love our corners. We lucked into Carr. Going to be a good tandem for a while. Mike Brown and Jarred Page are also pretty darned decent.

Special teams? well, Succup has been fucking money. Strong leg, deep kickoffs. Missed 2 in the preseason, one was a 54 yarder? Hit the upright, but was dead center. He's very accurate.

Colquitt has been a stud since he's been in the league. He's no Lechler, but he's damned good.

We may struggle again with punt and kick returns.

Overall, we win 3-6 games maybe. Who knows maybe more. We are in a shitty division.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 08:59 PM
Did I specifically mention the position or the player?

No.

I asked "Who is going to replace the 1,000 yards and 10 TD's" we lost in the off-season.

So, what's your answer?

bowe. he had close to that last year. yeah he will be triple covered every play. so was calvin johnson. so was andre johnson.if the running game gets going, that will just make it easier for bowe.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 08:59 PM
Shouldn't you be over in the Dane McCloud for Douchenozzle of the Year Award thread?


They should change those to weekly.

It seems like they're happening all too frequently.

I get it.

I'm a dick.

Deberg_1990
09-05-2009, 08:59 PM
Engram's 36. Bradley has never been healthy for an entire season. Copper's not good enough to play in the UFL. LJ will be done by game 8 or before. Savage and Battle can't hang on to the ball.

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I just happen to disagree.

FWIW, isn't that why we're all here? To talk football? :)

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:00 PM
bowe. he had close to that last year. yeah he will be triple covered every play. so was calvin johnson. so was andre johnson.if the running game gets going, that will just make it easier for bowe.

Uh...

Bowe had nearly 1,000 yards. Are you stating that he'll have 2,000 yard receiving this year?

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:00 PM
That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I just happen to disagree.

FWIW, isn't that why we're all here? To talk football? :)

Maybe

BryanBusby
09-05-2009, 09:01 PM
That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I just happen to disagree.

FWIW, isn't that why we're all here? To talk football? :)

Aw shit. I came for Home and Garden tips.

Saccopoo
09-05-2009, 09:03 PM
2. No, it hasn't. First off, Steven Jackson didn't even suit up. Secondly, the Texans and Vikings ran at will.

3. No, they're not. They ran against 2nd and 3rd teamers against the 2-14 Rams. Get a clue. Carriker's out for the year.

4. Yes, you do. Field position is EVERYTHING, especially when your offense can't convert third downs.

Dane is correct on all these points. However, I think that the two wins is a bit pessimistic considering the division we are in. They have a legitimate shot at six wins simply by playing in the AFC West. Seriously. Have you seen the Raiders? The Broncos? And I'll never count out a team that is going against a Norv Turner "coached" team. Maybe they get a ball bounce here or there, and they are at the mythical, legendary Peter King eight win benchmark. It could happen just as easily as Dane's prediction of two wins. Personally, I think five would be a good season for this team.

Saccopoo
09-05-2009, 09:05 PM
They should change those to weekly.

It seems like they're happening all too frequently.

I get it.

I'm a dick.

Yeah, but you are OUR dick. You think that they'd be a bit more appreciative.

BryanBusby
09-05-2009, 09:06 PM
Yeah, but you are OUR dick. You think that they'd be a bit more appreciative.

uhhhh

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:07 PM
Personally, I think five would be a good season for this team.

I'll preface this by saying that I'm not being a dick, nor am I exaggerating:

If the Chiefs go 5-11 or better, Pioli should win Exec of the Year and Haley should absolutely, unequivocally win Coach of the Year.

Count Zarth
09-05-2009, 09:08 PM
Jamaal Charles is going to pick up some of the slack. Last year he had about 600 yards from scrimmage. This year I can easily see 1,000+

Other than that, yeah, who the fuck knows.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 09:08 PM
2. No, it hasn't. First off, Steven Jackson didn't even suit up. Secondly, the Texans and Vikings ran at will.

3. No, they're not. They ran against 2nd and 3rd teamers against the 2-14 Rams. Get a clue. Carriker's out for the year.

4. Yes, you do. Field position is EVERYTHING, especially when your offense can't convert third downs.

my bad about jackson. and notice how i said it got better every week.but if our run d is as bad as u suggest ap shouldve had an average of 8yds a carry. he had 1 good drive.

they ran ALL OVER the seahawks which include patrick kerney and one of the best LB cores in the nfl. they also owned the rams in the beginning.

so its impossible to score a td if u start behind the 20?

Saccopoo
09-05-2009, 09:09 PM
I'll preface this by saying that I'm not being a dick, nor am I exaggerating:

If the Chiefs go 5-11 or better, Pioli should win Exec of the Year and Haley should absolutely, unequivocally win Coach of the Year.

I was talking with a friend the other day and said that if they win eight like SI predicted Haley should be immediately enshrined into Canton and the Super Bowl trophy be renamed the Haley Trophy instead of the bespectacled dude from GB.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 09:12 PM
Uh...

Bowe had nearly 1,000 yards. Are you stating that he'll have 2,000 yard receiving this year?

i think the combo of our TEs and the 2nd and 3rd wr can equal that. you dont necessarily have to have 2 1000 yd recievers to be successful.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:16 PM
my bad about jackson. and notice how i said it got better every week.but if our run d is as bad as u suggest ap shouldve had an average of 8yds a carry. he had 1 good drive.

they ran ALL OVER the seahawks which include patrick kerney and one of the best LB cores in the nfl. they also owned the rams in the beginning.

so its impossible to score a td if u start behind the 20?


First off, the Rams and Seahawks were a combined 6-26 last year. The Chiefs were facing the Ravens.

Secondly, the Chief have proven for years that they have difficulty moving the ball behind this offensive line and that they're even more hamstrung when they start behind the 20.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 09:18 PM
First off, the Rams and Seahawks were a combined 6-26 last year. The Chiefs were facing the Ravens.

Secondly, the Chief have proven for years that they have difficulty moving the ball behind this offensive line and that they're even more hamstrung when they start behind the 20.

fair enough. i can only go by what i see. and that is a better team than last years 2-14 team.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:19 PM
i think the combo of our TEs and the 2nd and 3rd wr can equal that. you dont necessarily have to have 2 1000 yd recievers to be successful.

It's tenuous at best to count on players that have never performed up to those expectation in their entire careers.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee. Sean Ryan is 29 and has 12 receptions in 7 seasons. Bradley always shows promise, yet can't make it through a season. Engram is 36.

You're projecting numbers that have never existed in the past.

Unicorns and rainbows.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:21 PM
fair enough. i can only go by what i see. and that is a better team than last years 2-14 team.

They'll be better coached, better conditioned and Haley will manage the clock to perfection.

But lack of talent at nearly every position along with probably the most difficult schedule in the NFL is what will keep the Chiefs from winning more than 4 games.

As I said, two was my guess so essentially, I'm plus or minus 2 games from that prediction.

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 09:23 PM
It's tenuous at best to count on players that have never performed up to those expectation in their entire careers.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee. Sean Ryan is 29 and has 12 receptions in 7 seasons. Bradley always shows promise, yet can't make it through a season. Engram is 36.

You're projecting numbers that have never existed in the past.

Unicorns and rainbows.

i have a feeling we arent done rounding up wideouts. and if bradley stays healthy, does 700yds 5 tds seem reasonable? it does to me. and seriously, make me a tshirt.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:24 PM
i have a feeling we arent done rounding up wideouts. and if bradley stays healthy, does 700yds 5 tds seem reasonable? it does to me. and seriously, make me a tshirt.

IF Bradley stays healthy, I think he'll do better than that.

But health has been the key in his career.

So far, he hasn't lived up to expectations.

As for the t-shirt, do you think I do manual labor?

LMAO

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 09:26 PM
IF Bradley stays healthy, I think he'll do better than that.

But health has been the key in his career.

So far, he hasn't lived up to expectations.

As for the t-shirt, do you think I do manual labor?

LMAO

you owe me for bein a dick. so hop on it

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:27 PM
you owe me for bein a dick. so hop on it

I'm not a dick.

I am who I am.

Either you like me or you don't.

It's called having a "strong personality".

Saccopoo
09-05-2009, 09:28 PM
It's tenuous at best to count on players that have never performed up to those expectation in their entire careers.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee. Sean Ryan is 29 and has 12 receptions in 7 seasons. Bradley always shows promise, yet can't make it through a season. Engram is 36.

You're projecting numbers that have never existed in the past.

Unicorns and rainbows.

That is, until they draft Dennis Pitta next season. Then it will be lollipops and joy and love and playoffs and first downs and roll out, fade pass safety valves! There will be joy in Mudville again!

DBOSHO
09-05-2009, 09:29 PM
I'm not a dick.

I am who I am.

Either you like me or you don't.

It's called having a "strong personality".

that what they call it these days?

splatbass
09-05-2009, 09:35 PM
No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.



1. Haley's offense doesn't really use the TE that much except for blocking, which TG wasn't that good at anyway. I'm sure they felt that he made too much money for someone that didn't fit the offense. In this offense he likely wouldn't get 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TDs.

2. Our 1st string D looked like they are much improved against the run from last year.

3. I don't know how we'll run the ball or protect the QB, but we can't be worse at it than last year when we won 2 games. We ran the ball ball better during preseason than we did last season.

4. While returns didn't look great during the preseason, they were acceptable. I don't think this will be as much of an issue as you do.

I think in all of those questions you asked we are improved from last year, and our coaching has to be better. I believe we will win more than we did last year. 4 - 6 games is my prediction. I think that is reasonable.

ILChief
09-05-2009, 09:44 PM
Released...

CB Jackie Bates
TE Tom Crabree
DE Dion Gales
DE Bobby Greenwood
G Darryl Harris
WR Taurus Johnson
WR Ashley Lelie
DT Derek Lokey
S Bernard Pollard
S Ricky Price
LB Zach Thomas
RB Javarris Williams
WR Rodney Wright

Placed on IR...

G Colin Brown

kind of bummed about Lelie. He looked pretty good in the preseason. Other than that, not too many complaints. I was surprised about Pollard but not upset. Shocked that Colin Brown is on IR. we're really thin on the o line

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 09:44 PM
1. Haley's offense doesn't really use the TE that much except for blocking, which TG wasn't that good at anyway. I'm sure they felt that he made too much money for someone that didn't fit the offense. In this offense he likely wouldn't get 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TDs.

2. Our 1st string D looked like they are much improved against the run from last year.

3. I don't know how we'll run the ball or protect the QB, but we can't be worse at it than last year when we won 2 games. We ran the ball ball better during preseason than we did last season.

4. While returns didn't look great during the preseason, they were acceptable. I don't think this will be as much of an issue as you do.

I think in all of those questions you asked we are improved from last year, and our coaching has to be better. I believe we will win more than we did last year. 4 - 6 games is my prediction. I think that is reasonable.

JFC, do I have to repeat myself?

1. I don't give a shit if Haley doesn't include the TE. WHO is going to REPLACE the 1,000 yards and 10TD's in this offense? Copper? LMAO

2. Bullshit. You call giving up 366 yards in three quarters against the Vikings "good"? 5 yards a carry against the Texans is good? The Vikings ran for more than 4 yards a carry but that's because TJ shredded the Chiefs for 200 yards and 2 TD's in less than one quarter. Need I go on?

3. Yes, "we" can. Waters is a year older. Goff sucks. None of us know who's even starting on this line but considering that Cassel went out on the third play of the third pre-season game, it's safe to say it has not improved over last year. Hell, at least Croyle lasted until game one last year.

4. Really? The repeated fumbles? The confusion? I don't see what you're seeing.

Chieficus
09-05-2009, 09:45 PM
You know what's so ridiculous about the people that attack me for thinking the Chiefs will win 2 games or less?

I have multiple reasons for my reasoning. Those who disagree have none.

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

There are a TON of reasons why the Chiefs won't have a successful season. But there are many people that dispute that without any reasoning.

Unicorns and rainbows.

First, I'll define "successful" as moving forward from the past couple of seasons. Of course, as all things stand right now, this is a team that would have an amazing season if it hits 0.500. But this is also a team that (unless someone uses the detroit lion's definition) has practically already bottomed out.

The new staff has come in to pick up the pieces, throw out the irreparable shards, and remake this sucker from the ground up. A simple look of competency would be an improvement; but more than that I think this is a team that will be able to improve, gain experience, and gain confidence as the year progresses (especially looking at the schedule--most of the big nasties are before the bye-week) and end up with 5, maybe 6 wins.

Who replaces Tony's #'s? No one, at least not this year. But that doesn't mean that others can't step up and take some of the heat off of Bowe. Bradley has talent, and has shown flashes of it, he just needs to be out there for a season--IF that happens, there's help. Football wise, Engram's an old man and fading, but he can catch--use him as a possession guy. Other than that, yeah we have plenty of unknowns with the high potential of just being scrubs; or IF they get their act together...

Defensively--I'm really not that concerned with the first teamers. Thinking back on the games, I think they've shown more respectability than not. Especially true of the linebacking corps, which some thought would be horrid--I think outside of our young corners they're going to be a strength of this defense, and will end up showing up in both run support and pass-rushing (their coverage abilities still needs work, IMO).

O-Line: yeah, it has issues, especially the right side, and certainly since we're going into the season still not sure who the RT is going to be. Having said that, I'm torn on what to think: Haley's play calling looked a heck of a lot better than that crap that Chan was calling the first few games. If Brodie would have been more on-target with a couple of passes this last game would have looked different, especially with the starters. Even the play of the starting o-line, for the most part, looked improved that game. YET, it could also have very well been that StL just sucks that bad. And considering they weren't any better than us last year, that's a darn good probability. Obviously we're going to sign some other teams' castaways for it, so I'm putting it more into the position of wait and see...and hope...and pray...

Returners? Yeah, that's a good one. We don't have anyone. I think Charles gives us the best go at KR, but for PR? Who knows. This is where you just kinda have to throw up your hands and hope that flying pigs will join unicorns in running down the side of a rainbow, and that someone will magically appear as a diamond in the rough kinda like Dante did a few years back when most people didn't even think he should be on the team. But I'm certainly not going to hold my breath on that one... (though I am having a craving for some Lucky Charms right now).

"Bob" Dobbs
09-05-2009, 09:56 PM
Returners? Yeah, that's a good one. We don't have anyone. I think Charles gives us the best go at KR, but for PR? Who knows. This is where you just kinda have to throw up your hands and hope that flying pigs will join unicorns in running down the side of a rainbow, and that someone will magically appear as a diamond in the rough kinda like Dante did a few years back when most people didn't even think he should be on the team. But I'm certainly not going to hold my breath on that one... (though I am having a craving for some Lucky Charms right now).

This brings up what may be a dumb question, but I just don't know. WTF is the difference between a decent KR & PR? Isn't it basically the same thing? Please enlighten me.

Chieficus
09-05-2009, 10:00 PM
This brings up what may be a dumb question, but I just don't know. WTF is the difference between a decent KR & PR? Isn't it basically the same thing? Please enlighten me.

Heck if I know a technical answer, but I've just always figured it has to do with angle of the ball, spin of the ball (heck, you have some of those guys who punt it with a reverse spin--I think that one punter SD had, what was his name? Bennett? was known for it), and blocking schemes (better chance of having to catch it in traffic, etc.)... it just all adds up to having a different strategy for catching it.

"Bob" Dobbs
09-05-2009, 10:11 PM
I guess I just always figured that a kick was a kick was a kick, and you'd have pretty much one guy to return 'em. Huh.

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 10:16 PM
I guess I just always figured that a kick was a kick was a kick, and you'd have pretty much one guy to return 'em. Huh.

Punts have a different hang time than a kickoff, so there's a different talent or ability needed to be successful at each.

booger
09-05-2009, 10:17 PM
may have been mentioned but Steve Justice Colts, C and 08 6th rounder was waived.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/432536

also waived by the colts 4th rounder from this year dt/nt Terrance Taylor, if they want to cut Ron edwards.

booger
09-05-2009, 10:24 PM
OT Jaimie Thomas Colts too. 7th rd this year.

Pretty sure we had interest in some Maryland G/t pre draft, think it was him.
more of a PS type consideration.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/502781

BigMeatballDave
09-05-2009, 10:36 PM
Keep that in mind when the Chiefs go 1-15 or 0-16 this seasonSorry, I have to disagree. Herm won 2 with a lesser QB. Plus, I think this D will be much better.

"Bob" Dobbs
09-05-2009, 10:44 PM
Punts have a different hang time than a kickoff, so there's a different talent or ability needed to be successful at each.Fair enough. Thanks for not being a dick. LOL

DaneMcCloud
09-05-2009, 10:53 PM
Fair enough. Thanks for not being a dick. LOL

LMAO

BigMeatballDave
09-05-2009, 11:07 PM
Unicorns and rainbows.
ROFL

beach tribe
09-05-2009, 11:09 PM
This thread is funny. I love the NFL. Not one damn soul knows what's gonna happen, but everyone loves to cuss, and call each other names over what they think will happen.

LOL@all of you.

Count Zarth
09-05-2009, 11:09 PM
This thread is funny. I love the NFL. Not one damn soul knows what's gonna happen, but everyone loves to cuss, and call each other names over what they think will happen.

LOL@all of you.

Fuck you!

beach tribe
09-05-2009, 11:11 PM
**** you!

LOL!!!!!

"Bob" Dobbs
09-05-2009, 11:15 PM
Hey GoChiefs, looks like your anti-Pollard thing worked out nicely. Who's next for your av?

"Bob" Dobbs
09-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Oh yeah, here's my preemptive fuck you. :D

Count Zarth
09-05-2009, 11:18 PM
Hey GoChiefs, looks like your anti-Pollard thing worked out nicely. Who's next for your av?

ROR has taken care of Thigpen quite nicely. I have no adversaries on the Chiefs' roster as of today.

We now resume with our regularly scheduled screaming red background guy, who wishes Pollard well as he exits stage left, after being juked by TJ Houshmandzadeh.

CaliforniaChief
09-05-2009, 11:23 PM
Not sure if this has been posted, but can someone explain how waiver claims are determined on these guys who have been cut?

"Bob" Dobbs
09-05-2009, 11:33 PM
According to http://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3076&an=0&page=0 :




ARTICLE XXII



WAIVER SYSTEM

Section 1. Release:

(a) Whenever a player who has finished the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, his contract will be considered terminated and the player will be completely free at any time thereafter to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period. If the waivers occur after that time, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club. However, if such player is claimed and awarded, he shall have the option to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of the League Year in question if he has a no-trade clause in his Player Contract. If such player does not have a no-trade clause and the Player Contract being awarded through waivers covers more than one additional season, the player shall have the right to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent as set forth above at the end of the League Year following the League Year in which he is waived and awarded.

(b) Whenever a player who has finished less than the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club.

Section 2. Contact: Coaches or any other persons connected with another NFL Club are prohibited from contacting any player placed on waivers until such time as the player is released by the waiving Club.

Section 3. Ineligibility: Any NFL player who is declared ineligible to compete in a pre-season, regular season or post-season game because of a breach by any NFL Club by whom he is employed of waiver procedures and regulations, or any other provision of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, will be paid the salary or other compensation which he would have received if he had not been declared ineligible, which, in any event, will be a minimum of one week’s salary and, when applicable, expense payments.

Section 4. Notice of Termination: The Notice of Termination form attached hereto as Appendix G will be used by all Clubs. If possible, the Notice of Termination will be personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team. If the Notice of Termination has not been personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team, the Notice of Termination will be sent to him by certified mail at his last address on file with the Club.



***Waiver system: The procedure by which a player's contract or NFL rights are made available by his current team to other teams in the league. During the procedure, the 31 other teams either file a claim to obtain the player or waive the opportunity to do so, thus the term waiver. The claiming period is typically ten days during the off-season, but from early July through December, it lasts only 24 hours. If a player is claimed by two or more teams in this period, priority is based on the inverse won-lost standing of the teams. The team with the worst record has priority. If no team selects the player, he's free to sign with any team, including his previous employer. If no one signs him, he is unemployed — technically fired from the NFL.

CaliforniaChief
09-05-2009, 11:36 PM
Thanks for posting this! So unless the Lions or the Lambs (sounds so biblical) want someone, we can get anyone we want that doesn't have 4 years or qualify as a "vested veteran." Nice.

"Bob" Dobbs
09-05-2009, 11:39 PM
That's how I read it. So yeah. Nice! Is anyone aware of any OL needs in DET or STL that'll cause us issues with this?

salame
09-06-2009, 12:50 AM
poor lokey

veist
09-06-2009, 01:14 AM
The line is 5.5, not 6.5.

I voted in the other thread that they'll be 2-14. The point is that 1-15 isn't out of the realm of reason and there's probably a 5% chance they could go 0-16, especially if Cassel misses a significant amount of the season.

Honestly, saying there is even a 5% chance anyone goes 0-16 is unrealistic given the history of the league. There are what like 4 win less seasons that I'm aware of in the history of the NFL? Prior to 0-16 the last one was in '82 with the Baltimore Colts going 0-8-1 in a strike season. The odds against it have to be more like 99% because it just requires a systematic failure organizationally throughout the season to sustain that imo. Its just too big of a confluence of events and bad coaching/management that seems really unlikely. Even with the problems of this roster.

The Bad Guy
09-06-2009, 01:18 AM
You know what's so ridiculous about the people that attack me for thinking the Chiefs will win 2 games or less?

I have multiple reasons for my reasoning. Those who disagree have none.

No one has told me how we're going to replace 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

No one's told me how we're going to stop the run, especially up the middle.

No one's told me how we're going to run the ball, score in the red zone and protect the QB with this offensive line.

No one's told me who's going to successfully return kicks and punts.

There are a TON of reasons why the Chiefs won't have a successful season. But there are many people that dispute that without any reasoning.

Unicorns and rainbows.

There's a huge difference in saying the Chiefs will be 0-16 and then asking for reasons why we will be successful.

This team will not be a successful team in 2009. That doesn't mean they will go winless. They have a ton of holes, and no, they won't replace Gonzalez.

I think this is one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL. But I do think they can go 3-13, 4-12 based on improved coaching.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 01:37 AM
dude...pollard is shocking...ok, he's a bust...but he could AT LEAST be a special teams ace

salame
09-06-2009, 01:40 AM
dude...pollard is shocking...ok, he's a bust...but he could AT LEAST be a special teams ace

mcgraw dude

The Bad Guy
09-06-2009, 01:40 AM
dude...pollard is shocking...ok, he's a bust...but he could AT LEAST be a special teams ace

I agree. I don't know why you don't keep him over McGraw.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 01:42 AM
I agree. I don't know why you don't keep him over McGraw.

all I'm saying is...

his rookie season...those blocked punts + he was a great gunner on punt coverage...

I don't get it...

sit him down and be like...dude, you're not going to be anything but a backup...but you're going to be our special teams ace...

I mean...that doesn't vaporate over night...a 2-14 team shouldn't consistently have players being picked up off of waivers...and you know he's going to be claimed...no doubt, for sure.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 01:44 AM
mcgraw dude
and you know what...he looked (shockingly) very good in preseason...I know he is who he is...but McGraw impressed me...

THAT BEING SAID...

Pioli said...offense/defense AND special teams...

and you know what...Pollard, at the very least, could be a great NFL special teamer....

salame
09-06-2009, 01:44 AM
pollard will be claimed asap

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 01:45 AM
pollard will be claimed asap

oh I know...

and as a 2-14 team

it doesn't make sense

but whatever...

call me a "true fan", but I have total, 100% faith in the new regime...and I don't care what that makes me.

salame
09-06-2009, 01:47 AM
I am calling denver taking pollard

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 01:48 AM
nah...I'd say Detroit...and I'd bet money...why not? He was TOO good to be cut, plain and simple.

salame
09-06-2009, 01:52 AM
nah...I'd say Detroit...and I'd bet money...why not? He was TOO good to be cut, plain and simple.

they just traded for ko simspon

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 01:54 AM
they just traded for ko simspon

wouldn't be surprised...I think he's good enough to be on every NFL team...special teams alone

Coach
09-06-2009, 04:17 PM
all I'm saying is...

his rookie season...those blocked punts + he was a great gunner on punt coverage...

I don't get it...

sit him down and be like...dude, you're not going to be anything but a backup...but you're going to be our special teams ace...

I mean...that doesn't vaporate over night...a 2-14 team shouldn't consistently have players being picked up off of waivers...and you know he's going to be claimed...no doubt, for sure.

Well, on one hand, I'm thinking his "heated" discussion with Clancy where Todd waived him off had something to do with this. Of course, it didn't help Pollard that his abilities haven't improved, since he was still missing/whiffing tackles, and still taking poor angles. Finally, I think it's also has to do with his contract.

On the other hand, you do have a solid argument with the special teams, and I agree with that, plus the fact that I thought he would be better option than McGraw would be.

DBOSHO
09-06-2009, 04:29 PM
thatd be ironic if denver picks him up and he injures cassel. i think just letting him walk was stupid. we couldve at least got a 7th rounder for him

BigMeatballDave
09-06-2009, 04:34 PM
thatd be ironic if denver picks him up and he injures cassel. i think just letting him walk was stupid. we couldve at least got a 7th rounder for himDid you ever stop to think that they may have shopped him around and got no takers. The rest of the league is wise to his no-talent ass.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 04:35 PM
Did you ever stop to think that they may have shopped him around and got no takers. The rest of the league is wise to his no-talent ass.

Or that the rest of the league (sans Raiders) are smart enough to know he's getting cut, and not waste a draft pick?

milkman
09-06-2009, 04:37 PM
Or that the rest of the league (sans Raiders) are smart enough to know he's getting cut, and not waste a draft pick?

Wish Pioli hadn't gone Al Davis and traded for Miami's garbage.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 04:38 PM
Wish Pioli hadn't gone Al Davis and traded for Miami's garbage.

ESTO.

doomy3
09-06-2009, 04:41 PM
I wonder if we offered Green Bay Pollard for Moll. THey traded Moll to the Ravens for a safety that is basically only a special teams player. I would have thought Pollard was more valuable than him, and it would have been nice to get Moll.

I would still like to see Pioli pursue trying to trade for Scott Wells if he would come cheap. He would be a nice upgrade over anything we can offer at center.