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NIUhuskies
09-06-2009, 07:52 AM
I keep looking over our roster and honestly its making me sick. I was really excited about this season, but my God we may not even win 2 games!!! We are severely lacking talent. Pollard and Lelie were not great by any means, but with this roster we couldnt afford to drop them. Hope the $350 i paid for Sunday Ticket was worth it...

Scorp
09-06-2009, 08:00 AM
Look at it this way.......we can only get better from here on.

Mr. Arrowhead
09-06-2009, 08:23 AM
if it is, it wont be for very long, we are now in good hands

Huffman83
09-06-2009, 08:30 AM
You're still just butt hurt over Pollard. He's one player on a secondary that's kind of suspect anyway. Did that cut surprise me? Yes! But this team is going to be more about being a team rather than have a few guys that are talented that don't fall in line.

Hog Farmer
09-06-2009, 08:34 AM
Cutting Pollard was fucking stuped !!!!!!

Fucking Haley has gotten rid of our #1 receiver and now our #1 tackler !!!!!

And cutting Lelie to keep copper was also fucking stuped!

What in the hell are they thinking!!!!!!

JuicesFlowing
09-06-2009, 08:37 AM
Is that funeral music in the background? Well hell, at least the AFC West games will be pretty amusing ....

Mr. Arrowhead
09-06-2009, 08:41 AM
Cutting Pollard was ****ing stuped !!!!!!

****ing Haley has gotten rid of our #1 receiver and now our #1 tackler !!!!!

And cutting Lelie to keep copper was also ****ing stuped!

What in the hell are they thinking!!!!!!

so im guessing you miss Herm and Carl

TEX
09-06-2009, 08:47 AM
Yep. If not the worst 53 man roster, we're certainly close to it. There is no doubt we will be picking in the top 3 in the draft this year. I think that Pioli & Co. really blew it by not going after O-linemen this off season to improve what has been one of the worst O-lines in the NFL for a couple of seasons. Honestly, if they win more than 2 games this year, I'll be surprised. Maybe Haley is gonna cut 22 more players and get their replacements off the street in order to win more than 2 games. We'll see...:shake:

Having said tha, Pollard needed to go. I would have liked Lelie to have made the team only if he woulc have fulfilled his potential, but it really doesn't matter because the team is terrible with or without them. It's all about seeing "some" type of improvement this season rather than wins and losses. Didn't we say that last season too?

milkman
09-06-2009, 08:51 AM
Cutting Pollard was ****ing stuped !!!!!!

****ing Haley has gotten rid of our #1 receiver and now our #1 tackler !!!!!

And cutting Lelie to keep copper was also ****ing stuped!

What in the hell are they thinking!!!!!!

I really don't get all the anger over cutting a marginally talented dumbass and a dumbas that has never done anything with the God given talent he had.

But, what the hell.

Carry on.

Scorp
09-06-2009, 08:51 AM
Cutting Pollard was ****ing stuped !!!!!!

****ing Haley has gotten rid of our #1 receiver and now our #1 tackler !!!!!

And cutting Lelie to keep copper was also ****ing stuped!

What in the hell are they thinking!!!!!!


You are truly retarded if you think Pollard was worth keeping on this team. That douchbag would never wrap up on a tackle.

I think you need to revisit this thread and watch Claythan's gif's.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=212820&highlight=Bonecrusher

That sums up Pollard's career. All of those missed tackles in one freakin game. I would of cut him on the spot.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 08:51 AM
You couldn't figure out it was going to be bad before now? Big F'n deal, they got rid of a career underachiever in Lelie and a safety who misses too many tackles and is a liablility in coverage. From what I've read on here, Harris is the only one I care about losing, because many think he played very well for a rook.

Hog Farmer
09-06-2009, 08:53 AM
so im guessing you miss Herm and Carl


NO!!!!!!!!!!!! DEFINITELY NOOOOO!!!!!!!

But trading Gonzo and cutting Pollard were BAD decisions!

Hog Farmer
09-06-2009, 08:56 AM
You are truly retarded if you think Pollard was worth keeping on this team. That douchbag would never wrap up on a tackle.

I think you need to revisit this thread and watch Claythan's gif's.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=212820&highlight=Bonecrusher

That sums up Pollard's career. All of those missed tackles in one freakin game. I would of cut him on the spot.


HE WAS THE LEADING TACKLER ON THE FUCKING TEAM!!!!

And he never had a coach that tried to correct his ability to wrap up because Herm was a dumbass!

Chiefnj2
09-06-2009, 08:56 AM
It's the roster of a 1 or 2 win football team.

CupidStunt
09-06-2009, 08:58 AM
Yes.

ChiTown
09-06-2009, 08:59 AM
Meh

We were going to suck this yr no matter what 53 we kept.

I thought 4-12 before the season and I'm sticking with 4-12 with this 53.

Scorp
09-06-2009, 08:59 AM
HE WAS THE LEADING TACKLER ON THE ****ING TEAM!!!!

And he never had a coach that tried to correct his ability to wrap up because Herm was a dumbass!

I don't care. Go look at those gif's and come back here and tell me he deserves a spot on this team. He is a liability in the secondary and will cost us games.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 09:01 AM
Well, I'd say that 23-48 has to be among the worst in the league, but I guess they are the "right" ones, and that's what we are told is the formula. I just hope we bring in some OL with coachability and upside, because our line is without a doubt the worst I've ever seen since I've been a fan.

If you break it down by area:

DL: A good deal of talent and upside, but Dorsey doesn't fit this scheme and probably isn't long for KC. Jackson and Magee are going to be your starters for a while. Beyond those two, there really is nothing of note on the line.

LB: We've gotta have the worst LB corps in the league...here we go again...again. McBride will probably be cut shortly, Hali is a 4-3 LE who just doesn't have the flexibility or hips to drop into coverage, Vrabel is pretty much a pass rushing specialist at this point, DJ is a will backer in a 4-3, and the ted backers are ok.

S: Morgan is a very talented player with a lot of upside, but I've always been high on him; others won't be so forgiving. Page is meh personified. McGraw is just a STer, and Brown can't stay out of the whirlpool.

CB: By far the most talented portion of our team. Flowers is a future PBer, Carr is a solid #2, Leggett is a decent player with talent, and Washington has all the upside you'd want in a CB

QB: Cassel has size, mobility, and he's accurate on the short routes, but he's never demonstrated an ability to make the throws that can stretch a defense (20 yard square in, 16 yard out, skinny post). Doesn't mean he can't, but he needs to prove that he can.

WR: Bowe, and the worst collection of 2-5 in the league. Almost no speed, no upside, and very little size

TE: Cottam has physical tools, but he's more of an athlete than a football player. The other two are pretty much trash

RB: LJ is washed up, but servicable. Charles is a good change of pace, the other two are p. much trash

OL: Unconscionably awful. Albert is a good LT, and the lone bright spot on the line. Waters is a declining player whose deficiencies were covered up by Willie Roaf. Niswanger and Goff are bottom five players at their position. Richardson has upside, but he's more of a LT and he's a little soft. They need to get him to tap into some hatred to play RT. Everyone else is lucky to have a job.

It's just a really, really bad football team with holes all around. Our talent evaluation has been so bad since the early 90's that we've got absolutely nothing.

TEX
09-06-2009, 09:06 AM
Well, I'd say that 23-48 has to be among the worst in the league, but I guess they are the "right" ones, and that's what we are told is the formula. I just hope we bring in some OL with coachability and upside, because our line is without a doubt the worst I've ever seen since I've been a fan.

If you break it down by area:

DL: A good deal of talent and upside, but Dorsey doesn't fit this scheme and probably isn't long for KC. Jackson and Magee are going to be your starters for a while. Beyond those two, there really is nothing of note on the line.

LB: We've gotta have the worst LB corps in the league...here we go again...again. McBride will probably be cut shortly, Hali is a 4-3 LE who just doesn't have the flexibility or hips to drop into coverage, Vrabel is pretty much a pass rushing specialist at this point, DJ is a will backer in a 4-3, and the ted backers are ok.

S: Morgan is a very talented player with a lot of upside, but I've always been high on him; others won't be so forgiving. Page is meh personified. McGraw is just a STer, and Brown can't stay out of the whirlpool.

CB: By far the most talented portion of our team. Flowers is a future PBer, Carr is a solid #2, Leggett is a decent player with talent, and Washington has all the upside you'd want in a CB

QB: Cassel has size, mobility, and he's accurate on the short routes, but he's never demonstrated an ability to make the throws that can stretch a defense (20 yard square in, 16 yard out, skinny post). Doesn't mean he can't, but he needs to prove that he can.

WR: Bowe, and the worst collection of 2-5 in the league. Almost no speed, no upside, and very little size

TE: Cottam has physical tools, but he's more of an athlete than a football player. The other two are pretty much trash

RB: LJ is washed up, but servicable. Charles is a good change of pace, the other two are p. much trash

OL: Unconscionably awful. Albert is a good LT, and the lone bright spot on the line. Waters is a declining player whose deficiencies were covered up by Willie Roaf. Niswanger and Goff are bottom five players at their position. Richardson has upside, but he's more of a LT and he's a little soft. They need to get him to tap into some hatred to play RT. Everyone else is lucky to have a job.

It's just a really, really bad football team with holes all around. Our talent evaluation has been so bad since the early 90's that we've got absolutely nothing.

Pretty much sums it up - especially the OL take and the last paragraph. :doh!:

WhitiE
09-06-2009, 09:06 AM
wow..... some of you guys need to go change your diapers....

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 09:14 AM
we're trying to be 8-8 like all Parcells teams

I prefer the San Francisco way

Boon
09-06-2009, 09:20 AM
I think they should forfeit all games now.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:23 AM
we're trying to be 8-8 like all Parcells teams

I prefer the San Francisco way

LMAO thats a new take on it

LaChapelle
09-06-2009, 09:24 AM
Thigpen must be in a frenzy working with such a skeleton crew.

Coogs
09-06-2009, 09:34 AM
And he never had a coach that tried to correct his ability to wrap up because Herm was a dumbass!

I'm not sure if I would blame Herm for Pollard having to have Gun as his coach. I think CP forced Gun on Herm. ;)

RedThat
09-06-2009, 09:37 AM
Well, I'd say that 23-48 has to be among the worst in the league, but I guess they are the "right" ones, and that's what we are told is the formula. I just hope we bring in some OL with coachability and upside, because our line is without a doubt the worst I've ever seen since I've been a fan.

If you break it down by area:

DL: A good deal of talent and upside, but Dorsey doesn't fit this scheme and probably isn't long for KC. Jackson and Magee are going to be your starters for a while. Beyond those two, there really is nothing of note on the line.

LB: We've gotta have the worst LB corps in the league...here we go again...again. McBride will probably be cut shortly, Hali is a 4-3 LE who just doesn't have the flexibility or hips to drop into coverage, Vrabel is pretty much a pass rushing specialist at this point, DJ is a will backer in a 4-3, and the ted backers are ok.

S: Morgan is a very talented player with a lot of upside, but I've always been high on him; others won't be so forgiving. Page is meh personified. McGraw is just a STer, and Brown can't stay out of the whirlpool.

CB: By far the most talented portion of our team. Flowers is a future PBer, Carr is a solid #2, Leggett is a decent player with talent, and Washington has all the upside you'd want in a CB

QB: Cassel has size, mobility, and he's accurate on the short routes, but he's never demonstrated an ability to make the throws that can stretch a defense (20 yard square in, 16 yard out, skinny post). Doesn't mean he can't, but he needs to prove that he can.

WR: Bowe, and the worst collection of 2-5 in the league. Almost no speed, no upside, and very little size

TE: Cottam has physical tools, but he's more of an athlete than a football player. The other two are pretty much trash

RB: LJ is washed up, but servicable. Charles is a good change of pace, the other two are p. much trash

OL: Unconscionably awful. Albert is a good LT, and the lone bright spot on the line. Waters is a declining player whose deficiencies were covered up by Willie Roaf. Niswanger and Goff are bottom five players at their position. Richardson has upside, but he's more of a LT and he's a little soft. They need to get him to tap into some hatred to play RT. Everyone else is lucky to have a job.

It's just a really, really bad football team with holes all around. Our talent evaluation has been so bad since the early 90's that we've got absolutely nothing.

really? you don't like the linebackers?

I think they've improved in that area. Hali looks like he's made a nice transition over to LB, and Mays has been a pleasant surprise? hes had a good camp and played consistently solid throughout the preseason. I've been impressed with him. I think Vrabel even though old, has good play left in him and will offer some good veteran leadership to the team.

I don't think this core is something to oooo and aaaa over, but I think they will play well together as a unit.

I agree with your take on the offensive line. They're just awful. Im concerned about the rightside of the line. Im worried about Cassel, Im afraid he won't get the protection and hate to say it but its gonna be tough for him to succeed. I hope he doesn't get hurt because outside of him the rest of the QBs don't impress me.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 09:59 AM
really? you don't like the linebackers?

I think they've improved in that area. Hali looks like he's made a nice transition over to LB, and Mays has been a pleasant surprise? hes had a good camp and played consistently solid throughout the preseason. I've been impressed with him. I think Vrabel even though old, has good play left in him and will offer some good veteran leadership to the team.

I don't think this core is something to oooo and aaaa over, but I think they will play well together as a unit.

I agree with your take on the offensive line. They're just awful. Im concerned about the rightside of the line. Im worried about Cassel, Im afraid he won't get the protection and hate to say it but its gonna be tough for him to succeed. I hope he doesn't get hurt because outside of him the rest of the QBs don't impress me.

Well, Mays will play Ted, and that's the easiest position to play on this defense. He's basically the fullback of the D. He can do a serviceable job there, really anyone of decent size can. I don't know about DJ as the mike. He has a million dollar body and a two cent head, and I think he's like almost every Texas player--soft.

Vrabel can bring some heat from the outside, and Tamba has done better than one would expect, but once teams start to game plan us by pulling the safeties and corners off with deeper routes and forcing the LBs to cover the flats, he's gonna get embarrassed.

The funny thing is that everyone on the board was universally against both the McBride and Pollard picks at the time they were made, and it ended up that we were all right. Just goes to show why you should never reach on your pet projects in round 2, just take the guys who slipped (Flowers).

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:00 AM
To answer the question in the OP, yes.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 10:03 AM
The funny thing is that everyone on the board was universally against both the McBride and Pollard picks at the time they were made, and it ended up that we were all right. Just goes to show why you should never reach on your pet projects in round 2, just take the guys who slipped (Flowers).

well...

I guess you guys had to be right about something lately.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 10:03 AM
To answer the question in the OP, yes.

What moves do you think we can make, or should make to help remedy that this year (without killing ourselves long term)? Honest question, because aside for looking for upside OL, I haven't a fucking clue.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:05 AM
What moves do you think we can make, or should make to help remedy that this year (without killing ourselves long term)? Honest question, because aside for looking for upside OL, I haven't a fucking clue.

well we could have traded for seymour. but the raiders stole him from us









:D

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:06 AM
oh and i think hamas fell in love yesterday\\edit wrong thread

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 10:07 AM
well...

I guess you guys had to be right about something lately.

I'm talking about everyone on the board, you fucking dumbass. If you don't know what position Seymour plays in a 4-3, you really need to sit the fuck down, and shut the fuck up, because you're the last dude that needs to call anyone out over anything.

"Thigpen > Palmer"

Jesus Christ.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm talking about everyone on the board, you ****ing dumbass. If you don't know what position Seymour plays in a 4-3, you really need to sit the **** down, and shut the **** up, because you're the last dude that needs to call anyone out over anything.

"Thigpen > Palmer"

Jesus Christ.

I stand by my..."Carson Palmer is extremely overrated" stance...

I guess we'll see this year.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:12 AM
What moves do you think we can make, or should make to help remedy that this year (without killing ourselves long term)? Honest question, because aside for looking for upside OL, I haven't a fucking clue.

I had people over for a fantasy draft last night, spent time after enjoying OU's season ending, and watching the 'Bama game - so I haven't had much time this AM to look over the cuts from other teams.

With that said, the names I have seen that I'd be putting in claims for include AQ Shipley, Kynan Forney, Steve Justice and Jamon Meridith on the OL.

I like Rod Hood as a special teamer.

The problem as I see it is there is nothing worth a shit at WR that can help us, and that's saying a lot considering Terrance fucking Copper made the team.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:13 AM
I had people over for a fantasy draft last night, spent time after enjoying OU's season ending, and watching the 'Bama game - so I haven't had much time this AM to look over the cuts from other teams.

With that said, the names I have seen that I'd be putting in claims for include AQ Shipley, Kynan Forney, Steve Justice and Jamon Meridith on the OL.

I like Rod Hood as a special teamer.

The problem as I see it is there is nothing worth a shit at WR that can help us, and that's saying a lot considering Terrance fucking Copper made the team.

what do you think of signing pashos? from jax

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 10:14 AM
Rod Hood? He has been cut by three teams in the last what...month? Why would we cut Bernard Pollard, a special teams ace (or so I thought) for Rod Hood?

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:18 AM
Rod Hood? He has been cut by three teams in the last what...month? Why would we cut Bernard Pollard, a special teams ace (or so I thought) for Rod Hood?

First, IMO, the Pollard axing has nothing to do with talent, or lack thereof.

Getting into a pissing match with the coaching staff sealed his fate.

Second, the only real reason I brought him up is that Haley is familiar with him, so bringing him in wouldn't shock me in the least. And IMO, he is better than what we have.

Just because the guy has been cut by teams with a shit-ton more talent than KC doesn't mean he can't help here.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:19 AM
what do you think of signing pashos? from jax

I'd rather take a developmental guy like O'Callaghan. (sp?)

Pashos = McIntosh, IMO

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 10:20 AM
I had people over for a fantasy draft last night, spent time after enjoying OU's season ending, and watching the 'Bama game - so I haven't had much time this AM to look over the cuts from other teams.

With that said, the names I have seen that I'd be putting in claims for include AQ Shipley, Kynan Forney, Steve Justice and Jamon Meridith on the OL.

I like Rod Hood as a special teamer.

The problem as I see it is there is nothing worth a shit at WR that can help us, and that's saying a lot considering Terrance ****ing Copper made the team.

Copper was kept as the special teams guy. I think Lelie was competing with Engram and Bradley for one of the primary reciever roles and when he couldn't beat them out he was cut, because he can't contribute to special teams. I just don't see anything out there at wide reciever right now to bring in and help the team either.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:21 AM
I'd rather take a developmental guy like O'Callaghan. (sp?)

Pashos = McIntosh, IMO

ok and i'm with you on ocallaghanisky sp:D

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 10:21 AM
i think pollard got cut because of his performance against the seahawks

it was a quitter's effort, much like mcintosh against the rams....

i'm sure there was some personal stuff, but when you watch tape of a guy who isn't even competing and just flailing around and sucking ass you have to drop the hammer...

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:22 AM
i think pollard got cut because of his performance against the seahawks
it was a quitter's effort, much like mcintosh against the rams....

i'm sure there was some personal stuff, but when you watch tape of a guy who isn't even competing and just flailing around and sucking ass you have to drop the hammer...

he was dead to me after that game

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 10:22 AM
i think pollard got cut because of his performance against the seahawks

it was a quitter's effort, much like mcintosh against the rams....

i'm sure there was some personal stuff, but when you watch tape of a guy who isn't even competing and just flailing around and sucking ass you have to drop the hammer...

I was willing to give Pollard another chance this year in a new scheme, but his performance in the Seahawk game was an absolute embarrasment and I'm glad he got cut.

tonyetony
09-06-2009, 10:24 AM
What moves do you think we can make, or should make to help remedy that this year (without killing ourselves long term)? Honest question, because aside for looking for upside OL, I haven't a ****ing clue.

I think adding few veterans on the OL is must. Runyan would be someone I would at least take a look at and if he passes a physical I think a one year contract after the season starts could be in order.

WR is another position we have 0 depth, somebody out there is better than what we're working with period.

I hate seeing Charles returning kickoffs. Having our #2 RB getting tee'd up on isn't a great idea in my opinion. If LJ goes down and Charles gets hurt this could go from bad to pathetic in hurry. We need a return specialist and there's a few out there.

The good news is I think we're set at both kicking positions.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:26 AM
WR is another position we have 0 depth, somebody out there is better than what we're working with period.

Comments like these are just stupid.

Please, tell us who we could grab that would be an upgrade over what we have.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:28 AM
Comments like these are just stupid.

Please, tell us who we could grab that would be an upgrade over what we have.

well marvin harrison hasnt shot anyone this month:D

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 10:28 AM
well marvin harrison hasnt shot anyone this month:D

Bring him in for a look, show the ropes, better than what we have :whackit:...etc

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:29 AM
well marvin harrison hasnt shot anyone this month:D

LMAO

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:31 AM
LMAO

has matt jones came down from the coke yet, or is he still drunk from that golf outing 3 weeks ago? if he's clean today....

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:32 AM
has matt jones came down from the coke yet, or is he still drunk from that golf outing 3 weeks ago? if he's clean today....

You should have stopped while you were ahead.

milkman
09-06-2009, 10:32 AM
I'd rather take a developmental guy like O'Callaghan. (sp?)

Pashos = McIntosh, IMO

While Pashos is nothing to write home about, comparing him to McIntosh is akin to comparing a wrench to a pen with no ink.

If you want to hammer a nail, a wrench can get the job done if you don't have a hammer, while the pen with no ink is absolutely fucking useless in every conceiveable way.

Can't even fucking write a note to someone to get you a fucking hammer.

tonyetony
09-06-2009, 10:32 AM
Ok your not going to like this but Tyree is an upgrade. Problem is that he'll want starter money and will have to practice his way into the starting line-up. Even if Pioli gets us some WR help he'll have to break-up the Haley-Copper lovefest first.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:33 AM
You should have stopped while you were ahead.

i know i couldnt out that one together as wellROFL

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:34 AM
Ok your not going to like this but Tyree is an upgrade. Problem is that he'll want starter money and will have to practice his way into the starting line-up. Even if Pioli gets us some WR help he'll have to break-up the Haley-Copper lovefest first.

Actually, I do like it, and didn't know for sure he had been cut.

He's a better WR and ST player than Copper, and I'd have no problem making that swap.

Now, who's out there that can really make a difference?

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:34 AM
While Pashos is nothing to write home about, comparing him to McIntosh is akin to comparing a wrench to a pen with no ink.

If you want to hammer a nail, a wrench can get the job done if you don't have a hammer, while the pen with no ink is absolutely fucking useless in every conceiveable way.

Can't even fucking write a note to someone to get you a fucking hammer.

well if your airway is cut off you could shove the pen through your throat to breathe. i saw it on a movie once.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 10:34 AM
Ok your not going to like this but Tyree is an upgrade. Problem is that he'll want starter money and will have to practice his way into the starting line-up. Even if Pioli gets us some WR help he'll have to break-up the Haley-Copper lovefest first.

He's not a starting wide reciever caliber player. He's a special teams guy that would be competing for Copper's spot, so if he wants that role...ok

milkman
09-06-2009, 10:37 AM
well if your airway is cut off you could shove the pen through your throat to breathe. i saw it on a movie once.

Yeah, movies are so realistic, aren't they?

I want to see the dumb**** that would actually try to do that to himself.

Guess I'll have to watch the obits for that, and the next QB that McIntosh is trying to protect.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 10:37 AM
While Pashos is nothing to write home about, comparing him to McIntosh is akin to comparing a wrench to a pen with no ink.

If you want to hammer a nail, a wrench can get the job done if you don't have a hammer, while the pen with no ink is absolutely fucking useless in every conceiveable way.

Can't even fucking write a note to someone to get you a fucking hammer.

LMAO

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 10:38 AM
Yeah, movies are so realistic, aren't they?

I want to see the dumb**** that would actually try to do that to himself.

Guess I'll have to watch the obits for that, and the next QB that McIntosh is trying to protect.

yep both are destined for the same thing

tonyetony
09-06-2009, 10:44 AM
David Patten might be a guy I would take a look at. 1 Year contract only.

Branch is another I would look into if the price was right.

Noss
09-06-2009, 11:10 AM
I keep looking over our roster and honestly its making me sick. I was really excited about this season, but my God we may not even win 2 games!!! We are severely lacking talent. Pollard and Lelie were not great by any means, but with this roster we couldnt afford to drop them. Hope the $350 i paid for Sunday Ticket was worth it...

I don't believe the 53 man roster is finall yet.

Are you just upset that 23 players that Hermie bought in, the three years he was here, are gone now?

That is one more then the 22 off the street that can win two games this year. :evil:

Buehler445
09-06-2009, 11:16 AM
well marvin harrison hasnt shot anyone this month:D

I chuckled

While Pashos is nothing to write home about, comparing him to McIntosh is akin to comparing a wrench to a pen with no ink.

If you want to hammer a nail, a wrench can get the job done if you don't have a hammer, while the pen with no ink is absolutely fucking useless in every conceiveable way.

Can't even fucking write a note to someone to get you a fucking hammer.

I think you could stab your eyes out with it after you looked at the depth chart.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 11:20 AM
I think you could stab your eyes out with it after you looked at the depth chart.

ROFL

milkman
09-06-2009, 11:21 AM
I chuckled



I think you could stab your eyes out with it after you looked at the depth chart.

So letting Damion McIntosh protect your QB is like stabbing your eyes out with and inkless pen?

Buehler445
09-06-2009, 11:26 AM
So letting Damion McIntosh protect your QB is like stabbing your eyes out with and inkless pen?
I think that's where I was going with that, yes.
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Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 11:28 AM
I don't really see the surprise here. First of all, I doubt that this is the final roster. Second, this team had the worst roster in the NFL last year. If it happens again this year, it's just more of the same.

Fixing a flat tire will take a few minutes. Cleaning up after a 10.6 earthquake in southern California will take a hell of a lot longer.

This team isn't just a flat tire kind of problem.

On the other hand, the Raiders may just be a problem on the "War of the Worlds" scope.

milkman
09-06-2009, 11:29 AM
I think that's where I was going with that, yes.
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'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 11:37 AM
I don't really see the surprise here. First of all, I doubt that this is the final roster. Second, this team had the worst roster in the NFL last year. If it happens again this year, it's just more of the same.

Fixing a flat tire will take a few minutes. Cleaning up after a 10.6 earthquake in southern California will take a hell of a lot longer.

This team isn't just a flat tire kind of problem.

You definitely have a point, but at the same time, the team spent 100 million dollars on 2 players this off-season and we still have the worst roster in the league, primarily because we offered no protection or insurance for 60 of that 100 million.

Even with the shit salad we had last year, the overweight players, lack of discipline, etc, the team really would have won 5-6 games with a marginally competent coaching staff on game day.

We blew two huge leads against SD and Tampa at home and should have beaten the Jets and San Diego on the road.

I think that the FO has the right idea in terms of trying to build on the D-Line and securing the QB who they think can lead this team. Unfortunately, I wish that we had considered protecting said QB rather than making redundant picks in rounds 3 and 4.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 11:47 AM
You definitely have a point, but at the same time, the team spent 100 million dollars on 2 players this off-season and we still have the worst roster in the league, primarily because we offered no protection or insurance for 60 of that 100 million.

Even with the shit salad we had last year, the overweight players, lack of discipline, etc, the team really would have won 5-6 games with a marginally competent coaching staff on game day.

We blew two huge leads against SD and Tampa at home and should have beaten the Jets and San Diego on the road.

I think that the FO has the right idea in terms of trying to build on the D-Line and securing the QB who they think can lead this team. Unfortunately, I wish that we had considered protecting said QB rather than making redundant picks in rounds 3 and 4.

I don't want to revisit the O-line thing too much, because it's really been dealt with before, but since you brought it up:

Mecca wanted the team to take Meredith instead of Brown. Meredith got cut. It's the nature of the beast that taking offensive linemen in the later rounds is not likely to help in that player's rookie season. You may have had other options in mind, but drafting O-linemen outside of the top round or two for help in year 1 is a very bad way to go about things. The team did take Brown, and he 'earned' a spot on the IR, which is more than Meredith managed to pull off in Green Bay.

The problem has been that the attempts to address the o-line haven't been successful. Goff has looked slow, for example. But Pioli isn't going to overspend, so top flight players aren't going to come to K.C. until the team can show that it's really turning things around. It's like pulling a heavy object. The energy required to get it moving and up to speed is more than the energy required to keep it going.

milkman
09-06-2009, 11:52 AM
I don't want to revisit the O-line thing too much, because it's really been dealt with before, but since you brought it up:

Mecca wanted the team to take Meredith instead of Brown. Meredith got cut. It's the nature of the beast that taking offensive linemen in the later rounds is not likely to help in that player's rookie season. You may have had other options in mind, but drafting O-linemen outside of the top round or two for help in year 1 is a very bad way to go about things. The team did take Brown, and he 'earned' a spot on the IR, which is more than Meredith managed to pull off in Green Bay.

The problem has been that the attempts to address the o-line haven't been successful. Goff has looked slow, for example. But Pioli isn't going to overspend, so top flight players aren't going to come to K.C. until the team can show that it's really turning things around. It's like pulling a heavy object. The energy required to get it moving and up to speed is more than the energy required to keep it going.

Meredith got cut by a team with outstanding O-Line depth.

Is it too fucking hard to understand?
A team with depth cuts the kid.
A team with nothing but absolute crap doesn't.

If he's drafted by the Chiefs, he would have had a very good chance to make this team, and taking an OT who has zero upside at RT in Brown over an actual OT prospect in Meredith is still a fucking stupid draft choice.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 11:57 AM
Meredith got cut by a team with outstanding O-Line depth.

Is it too ****ing hard to understand?
A team with depth cuts the kid.
A team with nothing but absolute crap doesn't.

If he's drafted by the Chiefs, he would have had a very good chance to make this team, and taking an OT who has zero upside at RT in Brown over an actual OT prospect in Meredith is still a ****ing stupid draft choice.

You're usually a much better poster than this. Come on.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 11:57 AM
I don't want to revisit the O-line thing too much, because it's really been dealt with before, but since you brought it up:

Mecca wanted the team to take Meredith instead of Brown. Meredith got cut. It's the nature of the beast that taking offensive linemen in the later rounds is not likely to help in that player's rookie season. You may have had other options in mind, but drafting O-linemen outside of the top round or two for help in year 1 is a very bad way to go about things. The team did take Brown, and he 'earned' a spot on the IR, which is more than Meredith managed to pull off in Green Bay.

The problem has been that the attempts to address the o-line haven't been successful. Goff has looked slow, for example. But Pioli isn't going to overspend, so top flight players aren't going to come to K.C. until the team can show that it's really turning things around. It's like pulling a heavy object. The energy required to get it moving and up to speed is more than the energy required to keep it going.

Colin Brown was, for all intents and purposes, cut. They just didn't want him to take up a PS spot in case someone liked him, so they played the system. And this happened on an awful, awful team.

Meredith being cut from GB is a totally different animal. Look at milkman's response.

I think Pioli is making a smart move by not chasing broken down guys like Runyan, but Mike Goff is awful, and trading draft choices for Alleman and Ndukwe, when they were going to get cut anyway and you have waiver priority, doesn't strike me as very wise.

If you look out there, you could give a shot to Schuening, Canfield, Meredith, Cadogan, Shipley, and several other guys out there. If they don't work, it's no loss, but they have the potential and ability to contribute to a solid OL.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:02 PM
You're usually a much better poster than this. Come on.

No I'm not.

Stupidity always gets me riled, and saying that GB's release of Meredith proves that Brown was a better pick than Meredith is stupid.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:03 PM
No I'm not.

Stupidity always gets me riled, and saying that GB's release of Meredith proves that Brown was a better pick than Meredith is stupid.

Actually, I didn't say that. That's why I responded to you as I did. The stupidity was yours. I was trying to be polite.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:07 PM
Actually, I didn't say that. That's why I responded to you as I did. The stupidity was yours. I was trying to be polite.

So tell me, since I'm stupid, just exactly what you were saying, cause I can only see the implication that it proves Brown was a better choice.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:07 PM
Colin Brown was, for all intents and purposes, cut. They just didn't want him to take up a PS spot in case someone liked him, so they played the system. And this happened on an awful, awful team.

Meredith being cut from GB is a totally different animal. Look at milkman's response.

I think Pioli is making a smart move by not chasing broken down guys like Runyan, but Mike Goff is awful, and trading draft choices for Alleman and Ndukwe, when they were going to get cut anyway and you have waiver priority, doesn't strike me as very wise.

If you look out there, you could give a shot to Schuening, Canfield, Meredith, Cadogan, Shipley, and several other guys out there. If they don't work, it's no loss, but they have the potential and ability to contribute to a solid OL.

Milkman's response was a weak one, and Brown wasn't cut. Now, the reality is that Brown will have a year to develop himself enough to stick with the team. Whether that will help him or not remains to be seen. If you want to argue odds, you're on your own there, because I couldn't begin to think of a way to make them accurate.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 12:10 PM
Milkman's response was a weak one, and Brown wasn't cut. Now, the reality is that Brown will have a year to develop himself enough to stick with the team. Whether that will help him or not remains to be seen. If you want to argue odds, you're on your own there, because I couldn't begin to think of a way to make them accurate.

I don't think you got the gist of my post. "For all intents and purposes" is an acknowledgment that he wasn't formally cut, but he wasn't going to make the team so they invented an injury so they could IR him.

As far as "odds", I don't know what you're talking about. If you want me to take odds that one or two of those players I listed will end up as better, cheaper alternatives than Ndukwe, Alleman, Smith, Niswanger, I will definitely take that.

Coogs
09-06-2009, 12:12 PM
Milkman's response was a weak one, and Brown wasn't cut. Now, the reality is that Brown will have a year to develop himself enough to stick with the team. Whether that will help him or not remains to be seen. If you want to argue odds, you're on your own there, because I couldn't begin to think of a way to make them accurate.

Just a quick question with regards to the league rules. Can Brown practice with the team since he is on the IR list? And what is his injury anyway?

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:17 PM
Just a quick question with regards to the league rules. Can Brown practice with the team since he is on the IR list? And what is his injury anyway?

I'm pretty sure he can't practice, but he can do classroom work and film study.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:18 PM
I'm pretty sure he can't practice, but he can do classroom work and film study.

I'm waiting.......

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:19 PM
So tell me, since I'm stupid, just exactly what you were saying, cause I can only see the implication that it proves Brown was a better choice.

You know full well what a lineman that's been pimped by people here getting cut means to the argument that drafting that lineman would somehow have solved K.C.'s woes at the position. A UFDA (EVAN DIETRICH-SMITH) made that Packers squad on the O-line, along with another O-lineman draft pick. Meredith was the only Packers' draft pick that did not survive the cuts.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 12:25 PM
You know full well what a lineman that's been pimped by people here getting cut means to the argument that drafting that lineman would somehow have solved K.C.'s woes at the position. A UFDA (EVAN DIETRICH-SMITH) made that Packers squad on the O-line, along with another O-lineman draft pick. Meredith was the only Packers' draft pick that did not survive the cuts.

I know some Packer fans. They were pretty surprised that Smith was kept over Meredith. I know that they played Meredith at LT, but it was his run blocking that impressed most, which would lead one to think he'd be a solid RT (given his size), or at the very least, a swing tackle.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:29 PM
You know full well what a lineman that's been pimped by people here getting cut means to the argument that drafting that lineman would somehow have solved K.C.'s woes at the position. A UFDA (EVAN DIETRICH-SMITH) made that Packers squad on the O-line, along with another O-lineman draft pick. Meredith was the only Packers' draft pick that did not survive the cuts.

TJ Lang and Dietrich-Smith are both guards.

Meredith, while listed as a T/G on the Pack's roster was battling for the backup RT spot with Beano Giocomini.

He's not a guy that I would work on the left side, and he doesn't have the tools to play on the interior.

And I still am not understanding what exactly you were trying to say if you weren't trying to say that his cut is proof that he is not as good as Brown.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:29 PM
I don't think you got the gist of my post. "For all intents and purposes" is an acknowledgment that he wasn't formally cut, but he wasn't going to make the team so they invented an injury so they could IR him.

As far as "odds", I don't know what you're talking about. If you want me to take odds that one or two of those players I listed will end up as better, cheaper alternatives than Ndukwe, Alleman, Smith, Niswanger, I will definitely take that.

You may be right on whether or not he was going to make the team. I don't know, and Pioli's not going to enlighten us any time soon. However, we know for certain that the Packers cut Meredith, while keeping another O-lineman draftee and a UFDA O-lineman.

I understand the frustrations that people here have, and I even anticipated them when I first began posting here. But, the reality is that you can't fix every problem in one offseason. The team has dealt with the QB position, the defensive line and the elimination of a whole lot of dead weight.

I think that what's happened is that people are finally seeing just how terrible this team's front office has been of late. I think it was known, but not really understood until the new regime started axing the Pollards of the world. Terrible drafts from 2000-2007 have left the cupboards all but barren, and it's going to take time to re-stock them. It's hard having patience in a "get it done yesterday" world, but that's what Chiefs fans are going to have to do.

And I fully expect that the Chiefs will be snagging more O-lineman before all is said and done. Hell, Meredith might even wind up there, in theory.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:31 PM
TJ Lang and Dietrich-Smith are both guards.

Meredith, while listed as a T/G on the Pack's roster was battling for the backup RT spot with Beano Giocomini.

He's not a guy that I would work on the left side, and he doesn't have the tools to play on the interior.

And I still am not understanding what exactly you were trying to say if you weren't trying to say that his cut is proof that he is not as good as Brown.

Lang played tackle in college: 10 on the right side and 26 on the left side.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:34 PM
Lang played tackle in college: 10 on the right side and 26 on the left side.

I'm aware of that, and he may well end up playing some tackle in the NFL, but his best position coming into the NFL was at guard.

Meredith is more the prototypical RT.

They weren't competing for the same position.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 12:35 PM
You may be right on whether or not he was going to make the team. I don't know, and Pioli's not going to enlighten us any time soon. However, we know for certain that the Packers cut Meredith, while keeping another O-lineman draftee and a UFDA O-lineman.

I understand the frustrations that people here have, and I even anticipated them when I first began posting here. But, the reality is that you can't fix every problem in one offseason. The team has dealt with the QB position, the defensive line and the elimination of a whole lot of dead weight.

I think that what's happened is that people are finally seeing just how terrible this team's front office has been of late. I think it was known, but not really understood until the new regime started axing the Pollards of the world. Terrible drafts from 2000-2007 have left the cupboards all but barren, and it's going to take time to re-stock them. It's hard having patience in a "get it done yesterday" world, but that's what Chiefs fans are going to have to do.

And I fully expect that the Chiefs will be snagging more O-lineman before all is said and done. Hell, Meredith might even wind up here, in theory.

I don't know of many knowledgeable fans who haven't been lamenting our drafting and talent acquisitions since about 1999 or so.

It's becoming more obvious to the casual fans, but almost no one on this board was pleased with the selections of Pollard, McBride, and Tamba was pretty controversial (prompting a "Motherfuck You Carl" thread from banyon).

You also have to remember that the Packers were caught up in a numbers game. Smith was the only backup C on that team, Meredith was one of three LTs they had, but he wasn't ready for action, so they went with an older vet in Moll. They have fewer spots and he was trying out for the best position on their OL (behind Clifton, and with solid vet depth).

KCDC
09-06-2009, 12:38 PM
Still, as desperate as we are, why not take a look at Meredith and see if he shows our coaches a glimmer of developmental skill?

KCDC
09-06-2009, 12:45 PM
I don't know of many knowledgeable fans who haven't been lamenting our drafting and talent acquisitions since about 1999 or so.

It's becoming more obvious to the casual fans, but almost no one on this board was pleased with the selections of Pollard, McBride, and Tamba was pretty controversial (prompting a "Mother**** You Carl" thread from banyon).


You know, for all the Carl bashing (and I shouted at the TV at the early draft picks as well as most everyone else those years), we were able to field enough talent to go 9-7 or better most every year. Maybe it was luck. Maybe it was having the best OL in the NFL (I suspect the latter). Still, I find it ironic that we are so happy those years of 10-6 are over so that we can have three years of 3-13, 5-11, and then 10-6.

Yeah, I'm thrilled King Carl is gone. I trust Pioli more. Just pointing out the irony. The 90s (and pre-Herm early 2000s) are looking pretty damn good about now.

Saccopoo
09-06-2009, 12:45 PM
Hamas is spot on in his assessment. We are only really now noticing how this team was completely ignored in terms of depth of talent across the board in favor of one or two guys on each side of the ball. This was the Carl way, and has been consistent over the course of his tenure with the Chiefs. Thomas and Smith on defense. Shields, Roaf and Gonzalez on offense. Then just fill in with player "X" and we'll be good enough to make the playoffs and keep fans in the seats. However, when he hired Herm, he lost the last of the talented coaches that kept these past 20 year KC Chiefs teams in games. Marty and Dick were good coaches. Herm was not. He was not able to coach beyond the talent level he had and Carl, who I think started mailing it in five years ago or so, never got that next marquee level player - other than Jared Allen, who he proceeded to trade away in yet another player trade debacle that became his calling card the last five years or so. Personally, I think that Derrick's untimely death probably had a bigger impact on Carl and this franchise than we all realized at the time. He just seemed to stop giving a shit at that point, although it looks like he was generally overrated anyway.

Receivers had been ignored because of the talents of Gonzalez. Offensive line depth was never addressed because Roaf and Shields never missed a game. And Pioli and Haley stepped into the ravages of what was left behind. I think that they have tried to fix this situation. Cassel and Vrabel. Ndukew and Alleman. Zach Thomas. Mike Goff. There is only so much you can do and only so much you can fix in a single, short off-season, especially when there are so many holes at so many positions. But Pioli and Haley are the last people anyone should be blaming at this point. We out to be celebrating the fact that it looks like they are making an attempt to fix the problems of the former administration.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:45 PM
I don't know of many knowledgeable fans who haven't been lamenting our drafting and talent acquisitions since about 1999 or so.

I've read the stuff. I just think that looking at this year's roster, without T.G., has really driven the point home to people. I could be misreading what I'm seeing, but that's the impression I'm getting from the outside.


It's becoming more obvious to the casual fans, but almost no one on this board was pleased with the selections of Pollard, McBride, and Tamba was pretty controversial (prompting a "Mother**** You Carl" thread from banyon).

And history has proven them right. Unfortunately, Carl & Herm left that pile of shit on the table when they left, and Pioli & Haley have to clean it up before they can really start working on their own plans.

You also have to remember that the Packers were caught up in a numbers game. Smith was the only backup C on that team, Meredith was one of three LTs they had, but he wasn't ready for action, so they went with an older vet in Moll. They have fewer spots and he was trying out for the best position on their OL (behind Clifton, and with solid vet depth).

I understand, and I'm not trying to make any claim regarding Meredith's ability in comparison to Brown or anyone else. Players get cut for various reasons. My point was simple: People were pimping Meredith as a talent, but he couldn't make the team he was drafted for. Had he been as awesome as some were seemingly implying, there's no way that he would have gotten cut, but he wasn't so good that Green Bay couldn't ditch him. K.C. is 3rd on the wire list so, if the Lions and Rams pass on Meredith, the guy could still end up in K.C. if the front office likes him.

salame
09-06-2009, 12:47 PM
people need to get over tony g

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 12:49 PM
You know, for all the Carl bashing (and I shouted at the TV at the early draft picks as well as most everyone else those years), we were able to field enough talent to go 9-7 or better most every year. Maybe it was luck. Maybe it was having the best OL in the NFL (I suspect the latter). Still, I find it ironic that we are so happy those years of 10-6 are over so that we can have three years of 3-13, 5-11, and then 10-6.

Yeah, I'm thrilled King Carl is gone. I trust Pioli more. Just pointing out the irony. The 90s (and pre-Herm early 2000s) are looking pretty damn good about now.

I'm on record as not being happy with the Cassel acquisition or the Jackson pick, but I understand the motivation behind the selections.

The pain stems from the fact that for years we'd had a bum knee, and whenever it would flare up we'd just take some anti-inflammatories and ice it down, but we were ignoring the underlying cause. We spent just enough money in FA to field a decent team, largely on the back of our HFA.

Herm, although he was a moron of a coach, had the right idea in getting the knee fixed, and yeah, it will hurt a lot more immediately after you go under the knife, but you will at least fix the problem if the surgery is done correctly.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:51 PM
I've read the stuff. I just think that looking at this year's roster, without T.G., has really driven the point home to people. I could be misreading what I'm seeing, but that's the impression I'm getting from the outside.




And history has proven them right. Unfortunately, Carl & Herm left that pile of shit on the table when they left, and Pioli & Haley have to clean it up before they can really start working on their own plans.



I understand, and I'm not trying to make any claim regarding Meredith's ability in comparison to Brown or anyone else. Players get cut for various reasons. My point was simple: People were pimping Meredith as a talent, but he couldn't make the team he was drafted for. Had he been as awesome as some were seemingly implying, there's no way that he would have gotten cut, but he wasn't so good that Green Bay couldn't ditch him. K.C. is 3rd on the wire list so, if the Lions and Rams pass on Meredith, the guy could still end up in K.C. if the front office likes him.

Finally, you got around to the point that you said I was too stupid to get.

No one, not a single person was saying, or implying, that Meredith was an awesome talent.

We were saying that he was more talented than anyone we had on the right side of our line, and more talented than Brown, and both assertions are accurate as I see it.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:53 PM
Finally, you got around to the point that you said I was too stupid to get.

No one, not a single person was saying, or implying, that Meredith was an awesome talent.

We were saying that he was more talented than anyone we had on the right side of our line, and more talented than Brown, and both assertions are accurate as I see it.

Mecca was pimping him as if he was the guy's agent. As for the talent level, your assertion may, or may not be right, but it sure isn't verified.

And I didn't say you were too stupid to get a point. Don't go getting pissy over something I didn't say. I noted that you're usually a better poster, and I've praised your posts in the past.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:55 PM
Oh, and the way you framed the post in question certainly would lead almost everyone that reads it to believe that you implied that Brown was a better choice than Meredith.

milkman
09-06-2009, 12:57 PM
Mecca was pimping him as if he was the guy's agent. As for the talent level, your assertion may, or may not be right, but it sure isn't verified.

And I didn't say you were too stupid to get a point. Don't go getting pissy over something I didn't say. I noted that you're usually a better poster, and I've praised your posts in the past.

I don't remember mecca pimping him all that much.

I was, however.

I saw him as a guy in the 4th or 5th round that could come in and compete for a spot on our roster.

He and Fenuki Topou were both guys that I was pimping as mid/late round picks.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 01:00 PM
Oh, and the way you framed the post in question certainly would lead almost everyone that reads it to believe that you implied that Brown was a better choice than Meredith.

I personally didn't have one higher or lower than the other in any meaningful way. Neither were going to help either the Patriots or Chiefs significantly as rookies, to my way of looking at it.

milkman
09-06-2009, 01:07 PM
I personally didn't have one higher or lower than the other in any meaningful way. Neither were going to help either the Patriots or Chiefs significantly as rookies, to my way of looking at it.

They may not help either team in any significant way as rookies, but they very likely would have made the Chiefs roster and developed into the starter at RT over the course of the season..

JuicesFlowing
09-06-2009, 01:09 PM
well if your airway is cut off you could shove the pen through your throat to breathe. i saw it on a movie once.

I saw that movie. I can't remember which one though. Great moment in cinematic history, either way.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 01:15 PM
They may not help either team in any significant way as rookies, but they very likely would have made the Chiefs roster and developed into the starter at RT over the course of the season..

Look, I have no problem with people who like specific players in drafts and pimp them, whether I agree with their assessment of the player or not. I have a problem when they go nuts because, after every team in the league has passed on them multiple times, their team passes on the player again and chooses someone else. The Chiefs chose the O-lineman they felt was more likely to help their team. If it doesn't pan out that way, such is life.

However, acting as if the Chiefs ignored the O-line when they drafted an O-lineman, signed a former starter to compete for (and so far win) a job on the line, and traded for 2 additional players to try to shore up that line is ignoring reality.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 01:26 PM
Look, I have no problem with people who like specific players in drafts and pimp them, whether I agree with their assessment of the player or not. I have a problem when they go nuts because, after every team in the league has passed on them multiple times, their team passes on the player again and chooses someone else. The Chiefs chose the O-lineman they felt was more likely to help their team. If it doesn't pan out that way, such is life.

However, acting as if the Chiefs ignored the O-line when they drafted an O-lineman, signed a former starter to compete for (and so far win) a job on the line, and traded for 2 additional players to try to shore up that line is ignoring reality.

The Chiefs had six picks in the draft where they could have drafted an OL after they took Jackson. They took a project TE, a 3rd/4th corner, a DE, a WR/KR, a kicker, an OT, and a running back.

They traded for two OL after they realized that they didn't address the problem with even so much as a stop gap.

The problem lies that they passed up talented players in the draft, who were cheap and good value at that point, for positions of lesser need and impact.

BigRock
09-06-2009, 01:28 PM
Meredith, while listed as a T/G on the Pack's roster was battling for the backup RT spot with Beano Giocomini.

He's not a guy that I would work on the left side

I'm pretty sure the Packers had been working Meredith exclusively on the left side. He was their third-string LT behind Clifton and Tony Moll, and I remember reading a few different things about how they hoped to eventually groom him to replace Clifton.

The interesting thing is the Packers traded Moll yesterday, so in theory Meredith should have become the primary backup (though in reality they'd probably slide the guard over as they've done before). But I think that was the thought among a lot of Packers fans, that the trade for Moll was creating a roster spot for Meredith. But he got cut anyway.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 01:55 PM
The Chiefs had six picks in the draft where they could have drafted an OL after they took Jackson. They took a project TE, a 3rd/4th corner, a DE, a WR/KR, a kicker, an OT, and a running back.

They traded for two OL after they realized that they didn't address the problem with even so much as a stop gap.

The problem lies that they passed up talented players in the draft, who were cheap and good value at that point, for positions of lesser need and impact.

And that's where Meredith getting the axe starts undercutting arguments. IF he was that talented, he'd be in Green Bay.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 02:13 PM
The Chiefs had six picks in the draft where they could have drafted an OL after they took Jackson. They took a project TE, a 3rd/4th corner, a DE, a WR/KR, a kicker, an OT, and a running back.

They traded for two OL after they realized that they didn't address the problem with even so much as a stop gap.

The problem lies that they passed up talented players in the draft, who were cheap and good value at that point, for positions of lesser need and impact.

so...

BPA doesn't matter now with the new regime?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 02:15 PM
so...

BPA doesn't matter now with the new regime?

Learn to read, dumbass. What do you think "value" means?

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 02:18 PM
so...

BPA doesn't matter now with the new regime?

With Belichick and Pioli, Value and BPA are not necessarily the same thing.

Chocolate Hog
09-06-2009, 02:28 PM
Nope the Lions still suck

Mecca
09-06-2009, 04:34 PM
The Packer kept 3 fullbacks on their roster...that makes absolutely 0 sense.

Saccopoo
09-06-2009, 04:35 PM
The Packer kept 3 fullbacks on their roster...that makes absolutely 0 sense.

And here I was thinking that four quarterbacks couldn't be topped.