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Mr. Arrowhead
09-06-2009, 08:48 AM
for a 2011 first round draft pick, according to Adam Schefter twitter

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Richard Seymour traded to Oakland for Raiders 2011 first-round pick.

KC kid
09-06-2009, 08:48 AM
wow

LaChapelle
09-06-2009, 08:48 AM
The Patsifacation of the AFC West rampages on!!

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 08:49 AM
holy shit for a #1? goddamn.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 08:49 AM
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Ebolapox
09-06-2009, 08:49 AM
and that'll be a HIGH number one.

belichick is a fucking genius.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 08:49 AM
Belichick is a fucking genius.

Shag
09-06-2009, 08:50 AM
Guess that answers the Seymour/Wilfork question...

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 08:50 AM
what the

Ebolapox
09-06-2009, 08:50 AM
Belichick is a fucking genius.

repost.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 08:51 AM
repost.

I spelled everything right.

:p

shitgoose
09-06-2009, 08:51 AM
wow

milkman
09-06-2009, 08:52 AM
I think if I were Richard Seymour, I'd announce my retirement today.

Fucking Patriots.
Fucking Raiders.

CoMoChief
09-06-2009, 08:52 AM
We need a god damn NT.

KCUnited
09-06-2009, 08:52 AM
Don't grow old in New England.

Ebolapox
09-06-2009, 08:53 AM
I spelled everything right.

:p

oh now, don't get chippy golf boy.

CoMoChief
09-06-2009, 08:53 AM
Belichick just raped the Raiders again in a trade.

what else is new?

milkman
09-06-2009, 08:53 AM
I spelled everything right.

:p

You planetmisspelled genious.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 08:53 AM
well...guess I'm more surprised about something than Pollard now

JuicesFlowing
09-06-2009, 08:53 AM
My condolences on your loss, Mr. Seymour.

LaChapelle
09-06-2009, 08:54 AM
Vrabel finally feels some peace.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 08:54 AM
You planetmisspelled genious.

Just saving some n00b-to-be-named-later the trouble of making an ass off himself when he calls out the mis-spelling.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 08:55 AM
that's strike twenty-three!

RedThat
09-06-2009, 08:55 AM
Why are teams so nice to new england?

aturnis
09-06-2009, 08:55 AM
Wow is right. Can't believe they'd trade a 1st for a 30 yr. old player. I guess the Falcons gave up a second for a 33 yr. old. Wow. :shrug:

milkman
09-06-2009, 08:56 AM
Just saving some n00b-to-be-named-later the trouble of making an ass off himself when he calls out the mis-spelling.

Well.....Aren't you the kind and considerate fucker?

DaKCMan AP
09-06-2009, 08:56 AM
wow...

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 08:56 AM
Well.....Aren't you the kind and considerate fucker?

Sorry, I'm still in a bit of a daze after looking over the 53 man roster.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 08:57 AM
so, how does he fit their scheme? Just curious...

wazu
09-06-2009, 09:01 AM
Holy shit. That could literally be the #1 overall pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 09:02 AM
so, how does he fit their scheme? Just curious...

He's a three technique.

Coogs
09-06-2009, 09:02 AM
Holy shit. That could literally be the #1 overall pick.

It is 2011 and not 2010... not that it matters that much.

eazyb81
09-06-2009, 09:02 AM
Damn, that is a shocking move.

JuicesFlowing
09-06-2009, 09:03 AM
Holy shit. That could literally be the #1 overall pick.

Not unless KC or Denver have their say :shake:

Edit. 2011. Nevermind.

Short Leash Hootie
09-06-2009, 09:04 AM
Holy shit. That could literally be the #1 overall pick.

I bet the Pats prefer it isn't...

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 09:04 AM
That is just wierd.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 09:05 AM
And with the first pick in the 2011 draft, the New England Patriots select....Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

:cuss: :cuss:


;)

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:06 AM
And with the first pick in the 2011 draft, the New England Patriots select....Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

:cuss: :cuss:


;)

brady's replacement




and i think hamas fell in love yesterday

milkman
09-06-2009, 09:07 AM
I bet the Pats prefer it isn't...

Assuming that a new labor agreement is in place by then, and there isn't a lockout, then the #1 overall will not be nearly as costly, and by extension, no longer as risky, as it has been.

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 09:07 AM
wtf?


wow, never in my wildest dreams etc....

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 09:10 AM
god damn that could be a top 10 pick easy......


how pissed is seymour...just like vrabel, one minute you're with a champion, the next your with straight up ass....


pats are some cold blooded bastards, i like it

RippedmyFlesh
09-06-2009, 09:10 AM
Assuming that a new labor agreement is in place by then, and there isn't a lockout, then the #1 overall will not be nearly as costly, and by extension, no longer as risky, as it has been.

If it does play out that way it would also be easier to trade. I could see NE trading that for a boatload of picks if some team falls in love with someone at the top of the draft.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 09:10 AM
The Faiders have given New England Randy Moss and a 1st for Seymour and a 4th with thier brilliant dealings.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:11 AM
The Faiders have given New England Randy Moss and a 1st for Seymour and a 4th with thier brilliant dealings.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 09:11 AM
It is 2011 and not 2010... not that it matters that much.

actually i missed that...weird, but it will still probably be a top 15 pick

Priest31kc
09-06-2009, 09:12 AM
WOW. The Raiders are fucking retarted. They traded likely a top 5/top 10 draft pick for a 3-4 DE who is past his prime or near past his prime?

bevischief
09-06-2009, 09:12 AM
Vrabel is next...

corandval
09-06-2009, 09:12 AM
Lets see if Oakland can sign him to an extension, isn't he in the last year of his contract

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:12 AM
actually i missed that...weird, but it will still probably be a top 15 pick

if fatmarcus plays the way he has shown he plays then it could still be a #1 overall

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 09:12 AM
brady's replacement




and i think hamas fell in love yesterday

That's more of a joke. I think Gabbert could be a 1st round player, but given the spread, I don't think he'd go #1 overall. They'll probably really fuck someone up by trading down, accumulating a boatload of picks and then picking someone like Matt Barkley in 2012. That would be a true cock in the ass.

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 09:12 AM
The Faiders have given New England Randy Moss and a 1st for Seymour and a 4th with thier brilliant dealings.

amazing isn't it

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 09:14 AM
amazing isn't it

It really just blows my mind how F'n stupid some teams in this league are.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:14 AM
That's more of a joke. I think Gabbert could be a 1st round player, but given the spread, I don't think he'd go #1 overall. They'll probably really fuck someone up by trading down, accumulating a boatload of picks and then picking someone like Matt Barkley in 2012. That would be a true cock in the ass.

i know i was kiddin about brady. not about you being in love like a teenage girl though:D

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 09:17 AM
regardless, the pick gives them leverage which they will no doubt wheel and deal...

and they have gotten the best of seymour already, same reason the gonzo trade for a 2nd was great trade...you'd already banked over a decade of great play....

Tuckdaddy
09-06-2009, 09:18 AM
What sucks is we should have done this.

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 09:20 AM
regardless, the pick gives them leverage which they will no doubt wheel and deal...

and they have gotten the best of seymour already, same reason the gonzo trade for a 2nd was great trade...you'd already banked over a decade of great play....

This.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:20 AM
What sucks is we should have done this.

done what? traded our 2011 #1 for seymour? hooooollllleeeeeee cccccchhhhhiiiiittttttt, someone actually thinks that

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 09:20 AM
What sucks is we should have done this.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gwgp4j.jpg

Bwana
09-06-2009, 09:22 AM
The poor bastard!

MikeMaslowski
09-06-2009, 09:22 AM
I always laugh when I think about his name....

Seymour, Dick

...fail...

milkman
09-06-2009, 09:22 AM
What sucks is we should have done this.

Since we didn't, maybe we can go ahead and piss away high first round pick for Vince Wilfork?

Surely the dumbassery doesn't stop with AL and you.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:23 AM
Since we didn't, maybe we can go ahead and piss away high first round pick for Vince Wilfork?

Surely the dumbassery doesn't stop with AL and you.

no but we should try to give them atl's 2nd for him:D

the Talking Can
09-06-2009, 09:23 AM
i hope our franchise operates this way in the future...trade older players while they still have value, even though it will piss of the fans occasionally...

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:24 AM
i hope our franchise operates this way in the future...trade older players while they still have value, even though it will piss of the fans occasionally...

you forgot to add, RAPE THA FAID

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 09:25 AM
i hope our franchise operates this way in the future...trade older players while they still have value, even though it will piss of the fans occasionally...

Brian Waters, come on down!

Sadly, that's all we have. And his talent level is debatable.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-06-2009, 09:25 AM
i hope our franchise operates this way in the future...trade older players while they still have value, even though it will piss of the fans occasionally...

I think dealing Gonzo for a 2nd was a good step in that direction.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:25 AM
Brian Waters, come on down!

Sadly, that's all we have. And his talent level is debatable.

supposedly we already tried that...

OnTheWarpath58
09-06-2009, 09:27 AM
supposedly we already tried that...

I know. Just backing the point that it's going to be several years before we can subscribe to this theory of trading older players with value, as we have none now.

notorious
09-06-2009, 09:29 AM
Raider Fans are rejoicing on Raiderfans.net. Wow.

Seymour is an excellent player that excelled in a system that allowed him to use his strengths. Let's see how he does once the Raider funk gets attached to him.

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:29 AM
I know. Just backing the point that it's going to be several years before we can subscribe to this theory of trading older players with value, as we have none now.

i know where you were at there. but like someone said gonzo shows that someday...

notorious
09-06-2009, 09:33 AM
LOL, they have drafted badly for so long they are more than happy to give up a first for a "proven" player.

You know that your franchise is in the dumps when you get excited to get a player on the back nine of his career who only has one year left on his contract and has been injured often lately.

Ultra Peanut
09-06-2009, 09:34 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAT THE FUCKKKK

This is going to do irreparable harm to Team 3B.

dirk digler
09-06-2009, 09:36 AM
Damn that is a shock. I don't get why they would trade one of their better players unless he is fallen off the cliff performance wise

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:36 AM
LOL, they have drafted badly for so long they are more than happy to give up a first for a "proven" player.

You know that your franchise is in the dumps when you get excited to get a player on the back nine of his career who only has one year left on his contract and has been injured often lately.

i wonder if they have a deal in place. if not and after this year seymour walks......ROFLROFL. they have to give up their 1st for a player they dont even have anymore

dirk digler
09-06-2009, 09:39 AM
i wonder if they have a deal in place. if not and after this year seymour walks......ROFLROFL. they have to give up their 1st for a player they dont even have anymore

Yeah I just read that. Now I understand why because they didn't want to pay both him and Wilfork or couldn't afford it.

If the Raiders don't have a deal with him then the Pats just royally fucked the Raiders

JASONSAUTO
09-06-2009, 09:40 AM
Yeah I just read that. Now I understand why because they didn't want to pay both him and Wilfork or couldn't afford it.

If the Raiders don't have a deal with him then the Pats just royally fucked the Raiders

they could have just rented him out for a year at 1 1st round pickROFL

TEX
09-06-2009, 09:40 AM
Man, great deal for the Patriots. They're gonna get a very low draft pick for a guy, who was good in their system, who might have a few years left at the most. Stupid is as Raida does...

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 09:45 AM
It's a terrible trade for the Patriots, when looked at in a vacuum. They give up the best 3-4 defensive lineman in football for a draft pick that's not for another 2 years, and they do this when they could have paid him any number at all next season due to the uncapped year.

Most Patriots fans that I know figure that there's going to be another shoe dropping (another trade, information on internal issue, something!) so that this move will make some sense.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 09:46 AM
Damn that is a shock. I don't get why they would trade one of their better players unless he is fallen off the cliff performance wise

Just turned on my computer and saw this thread. It would explain why I can't get onto Patsfans.com, they're crashing the friggin' server.

Don't take this as the typical "he's the best player ever on my team but a bum when he leaves" comment, but... Seymour HAS tailed off in recent seasons. He's still a very solid player, and probably could've had a great season and gotten back to the Pro Bowl; but he's no longer young, he's at the end of his contract, and the Pats were probably going to have to choose between Seymour and Wilfork. Apparently, they've made their choice.

Getting a 1st rounder for him now, when they were probably gonna have to deal him anyway, is pretty good. They're stocked on the D-line right now, with the drafting of Brace, the acquisition of Burgess, some surprisingly nice play from draft pick Myron Pryor... They still have Mike Wright, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green... I guess, if they were gonna make this move, this was the time to do it.

notorious
09-06-2009, 09:47 AM
the Pats just royally ****ed the Raiders


Water is wet, Pats royally **** the Raiders, Women have secrets......


Par for the course.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 09:48 AM
It's a terrible trade for the Patriots, when looked at in a vacuum. They give up the best 3-4 defensive lineman in football for a draft pick that's not for another 2 years, and they do this when they could have paid him any number at all next season due to the uncapped year.

Most Patriots fans that I know figure that there's going to be another shoe dropping (another trade, information on internal issue, something!) so that this move will make some sense.

I would agree with this statement, three or four seasons ago. Now? He's definitely top ten. But his contract was coming up, he's into his 30s now, they're loaded on the d-line... :shrug: I mean, they DID get a 1st-rounder for him, and I think we're pretty sure the Raiders won't be winning the Super Bowl next season, so it should be a good pick.

The only untradable player is Brady.*

*Unless he gets hurt this year, and Hoyer comes in and does well... Belichick is either Klingon or Vulcan, I'm not sure which...

DBOSHO
09-06-2009, 09:49 AM
The raiders just got Rick-rolled.

keg in kc
09-06-2009, 09:49 AM
Wild.

notorious
09-06-2009, 09:50 AM
I just realized that Knowsho is on Faderfans.net. His homerism knows no bounds!

Mr. Krab
09-06-2009, 09:53 AM
Holy crap, the pats make the playoffs and could have the 1st overall pick. :eek:

Next year's draft is supposed to be pretty strong too.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 09:55 AM
Correction, Seymour is not yet 30, he's 29.

Great comment from a poster on Boston.com...

I know the Pats want to get a roster with younger players, but I did not expect "Logan's Run"!!

Posted by mynameisbob

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 09:55 AM
It's a terrible trade for the Patriots, when looked at in a vacuum. They give up the best 3-4 defensive lineman in football for a draft pick that's not for another 2 years, and they do this when they could have paid him any number at all next season due to the uncapped year.

Most Patriots fans that I know figure that there's going to be another shoe dropping (another trade, information on internal issue, something!) so that this move will make some sense.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Aaron Smith. Hell, you could make a pretty big argument that he's not the best 3-4 end on his team (Warren)

DBOSHO
09-06-2009, 09:55 AM
the raideer couldve possibly just fucked the league on beating the pats for awhile

Old Dog
09-06-2009, 09:57 AM
Better them than us

JD10367
09-06-2009, 09:58 AM
I wouldn't put him ahead of Aaron Smith. Hell, you could make a pretty big argument that he's not the best 3-4 end on his team (Warren)

And something that's being overlooked: the Pats are moving away from the 3-4, for at least a while. Maybe they just figured that, in the 4-3, he's not quite as valuable, and that the trade was too good to pass up given all the factors (age, contract, depth on the D-line).

All I know is, if I was that cougar chickie he's got, I'd be worried, LOL. "Look, hon, I hate to break it to you, but you're on the downside and I'm trading you for two younger models..." ROFL

(Maybe we should elect Belichick to Congress. We need a wheeler-dealer like him in there to get things done....)

DaWolf
09-06-2009, 10:01 AM
Funny how the Raiders help the Pats start their dynasty with the tuck game, continue it with the Moss deal, and keep it going with this.
Obviously Al doesn't care because he knows he's near the end anyway...

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 10:04 AM
Kendall Simmons will be his replacement on the 53, according to Schefter:

Source close to former Steelers guard Kendall Simmons said he will sign today with...New England. He takes Richard Seymour's roster spot.

http://twitter.com/ADAM_SCHEFTER

Obviously, he's not replacing his game position, so there's still got to be more to come.

notorious
09-06-2009, 10:04 AM
[QUOTE=JD10367;6039598]And something that's being overlooked: the Pats are moving away from the 3-4, for at least a while. Maybe they just figured that, in the 4-3, he's not quite as valuable, QUOTE]


A huge percentage of teams are going to the 3-4. Players will be harder to come by, and they are already coming at a premium.

The Pats have always been the trend setters. Always the leaders, never the copy-cats (I wonder which one we are?).

Going to the 4-3 will open them to more player options again.


One of the reasons they traded him was that he wouldn't be as effective in the 4-3. Guess what base defense the Raiders run? ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 10:04 AM
And something that's being overlooked: the Pats are moving away from the 3-4, for at least a while. Maybe they just figured that, in the 4-3, he's not quite as valuable, and that the trade was too good to pass up given all the factors (age, contract, depth on the D-line).

All I know is, if I was that cougar chickie he's got, I'd be worried, LOL. "Look, hon, I hate to break it to you, but you're on the downside and I'm trading you for two younger models..." ROFL

(Maybe we should elect Belichick to Congress. We need a wheeler-dealer like him in there to get things done....)

This should be pointed out.

Notice how the Pats are going in the reverse of the established trends. None of the teams who chase trends ever win consistently. Look how that creates value for them down the road. New CBA in 2011 w/ a rookie cap?--Just an unbelievable move. If they start to transition to a 4-3 or more of a hybrid scheme (which they've always had to an extent) to capitalize on the smaller amount of teams running a 40 front with the same amount of 4-3 talent? Again, win...

Supply and demand

notorious
09-06-2009, 10:05 AM
Funny how the Raiders help the Pats start their dynasty with the tuck game, continue it with the Moss deal, and keep it going with this.
Obviously Al doesn't care because he knows he's near the end anyway...

Wow. Rep.

milkman
09-06-2009, 10:08 AM
Funny how the Raiders help the Pats start their dynasty with the tuck game, continue it with the Moss deal, and keep it going with this.
Obviously Al doesn't care because he knows he's near the end anyway...

Since the Patriots haven't won a SB in 4 years, I'm not sure we can call them a continuing dynasty.

The Steelers, right now, are on the cusp of dynastic accomplishment, having won 2 of the last 4 SBs.

Mr. Arrowhead
09-06-2009, 10:19 AM
Al must think he is 1 player away from a championship LMAO

OctoberFart
09-06-2009, 10:20 AM
Terrible trade for Oakland but that is the standard.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 10:21 AM
Al must think he is 1 player away from a championship LMAO

Reporter: "Mr. Davis, do you think you're one player away from a championship?"

Al Davis: "Depends."

Reporter: "Depends on what?"

Al Davis: "No. I need a new Depends."

Mr. Krab
09-06-2009, 10:22 AM
This should be pointed out.

Notice how the Pats are going in the reverse of the established trends. None of the teams who chase trends ever win consistently. Look how that creates value for them down the road. New CBA in 2011 w/ a rookie cap?--Just an unbelievable move. If they start to transition to a 4-3 or more of a hybrid scheme (which they've always had to an extent) to capitalize on the smaller amount of teams running a 40 front with the same amount of 4-3 talent? Again, win...

Supply and demand
This

Going away from current trend makes the draft worth more to them. It's very smart.

notorious
09-06-2009, 10:24 AM
Reporter: "Mr. Davis, do you think you're one player away from a championship?"

Al Davis: "Depends."

Reporter: "Depends on what?"

Al Davis: "No. I need a new Depends."

ROFL

kstater
09-06-2009, 10:27 AM
So in all seriousness, when does the league step in and pull Davis' theoretic plug?

CaliforniaChief
09-06-2009, 10:27 AM
This

Going away from current trend makes the draft worth more to them. It's very smart.

So true. It's going to be great to see the Raiders trot out the Wildcat in 15 years.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 10:28 AM
So true. It's going to be great to see the Raiders trot out the Wildcat in 15 years.

The Raiders are like Europe's music scene. Half the countries over there still like disco, I think.

KCtotheSB
09-06-2009, 10:43 AM
I hope Al Davis lives forever. I really, really do.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 10:44 AM
I hope Al Davis lives forever. I really, really do.

He will, as long as no one steals the amulet from around his neck, at which point he'd turn to dust.

doomy3
09-06-2009, 10:50 AM
Holy fuck. Crazy trade.

Basileus777
09-06-2009, 10:50 AM
Oakland is crazy, they gave up a high first rounder for a declining 3-4 DE on a one year deal. The Pats just got a great pick for a player that they were going to lose in a year anyway. And since they are playing a 4-3 and have great depth on their dline, Seymour is expendable anyway.

And Seymour hasn't been a dominant player since he got that contract 3 or 4 years ago. Last year was his best year in a while, and even then the Pats took him off the field on 3rd downs because he can't rush the passer.

KCtotheSB
09-06-2009, 10:55 AM
RaiderFans.net is jizzing in their pants. Exactly how much free time is handed out to the prisoners in the computer lab? GET BACK TO MAKING MY DAMN LICENSE PLATES!!

notorious
09-06-2009, 11:04 AM
RaiderFans.net is jizzing in their pants. Exactly how much free time is handed out to the prisoners in the computer lab? GET BACK TO MAKING MY DAMN LICENSE PLATES!!

I am trying to talk logic to them, but it is unbelievable. Imagine 1000 Knowsho Raider Fans on a message board. At least Knowsho is polite, the Raider Fans are nuts, and definately do not listen to reason.

I would like to think our homers are the pinnacle of homers, but they own Chiefsplanet in homerism.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 11:28 AM
laugh all you want, I am estatic to get a proven player at a position in dire need over a chance at getting a good plater in the draft...

Regardless, we will still kick the Chiefs ass twice this year.

The Raiders are not Superbowl Material but are improving.... the Chiefs will be the same or worse at the end of the season...

The Raiders were better than the Chiefs last yr and will be better again this year.

You had one safety valve "GONZO" and he is gone.

kstater
09-06-2009, 11:30 AM
laugh all you want, I am estatic to get a proven player at a position in dire need over a chance at getting a good plater in the draft...

Regardless, we will still kick the Chiefs ass twice this year.

The Raiders are not Superbowl Material but are improving.... the Chiefs will be the same or worse at the end of the season...

The Raiders were better than the Chiefs last yr and will be better again this year.

You had one safety valve "GONZO" and he is gone.ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 11:31 AM
laugh all you want, I am estatic to get a proven player at a position in dire need over a chance at getting a good plater in the draft...


You are a dumb sonofabitch.

To recap, you traded Derrick Burgess and a 1st round pick for one year of Dick Seymour and a 3rd (?) rounder.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 11:32 AM
You are a dumb sonofabitch.

To recap, you traded Derrick Burgess and a 1st round pick for one year of Dick Seymour and a 3rd (?) rounder.

and yo mama is a ho.... whats your point?

riskrevival
09-06-2009, 11:35 AM
i love that there is a high chance this could possibly be the #1 pick in next year's draft. haha

also Burgess will be Pro Bowl material this year and Seymour will have a Warren Sapp type season with the Raiders. It's funny the difference between playing for a good well rounded team and a team so awful it hurt's your career/stock in the business aspect of the game.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 11:36 AM
i love that there is a high chance could possibly be the #1 pick in next year's draft. haha

not as long as the cheifs are still in the league

riskrevival
09-06-2009, 11:38 AM
not as long as the cheifs are still in the league


we will be awful there is no denying that. the raiders will just be worse.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 11:40 AM
and yo mama is a ho.... whats your point?

That New England gave you a lubeless fisting. You traded away your only pass rusher for a guy who can't rush the passer, is declining, and is in his walk year, and gave up a 1st rounder that will most likely occur with a rookie cap in place.

bowener
09-06-2009, 11:40 AM
Belichick is a ****ing genius.

Needs repeated again.

Getting Al Davis to give a top 10, possibly top 5 pick... wonderful! Its not like that pick would have hurt us though, he would have taken some D1AA kid there who was fast and seemed like he might be angry.

What do the pats do with this pick? Take Tebow and groom him for 2 or 3 years, then Brady retires at 35/36?

Easy 6
09-06-2009, 11:41 AM
i hope our franchise operates this way in the future...trade older players while they still have value, even though it will piss of the fans occasionally...


The Steelers have been doing this for well over a decade & its worked out for them pretty good.

milkman
09-06-2009, 11:45 AM
Needs repeated again.

Getting Al Davis to give a top 10, possibly top 5 pick... wonderful! Its not like that pick would have hurt us though, he would have taken some D1AA kid there who was fast and seemed like he might be angry.

What do the pats do with this pick? Take Tebow and groom him for 2 or 3 years, then Brady retires at 35/36?

It's the 2011 pick.

But if it were the 2010 pick, I'd laugh my ass off if the Pats used the #1 overall on Tim ****ing TeBow.

salame
09-06-2009, 11:45 AM
so is he going to be the end on the opposite side of greg ellis?

JD10367
09-06-2009, 11:45 AM
Needs repeated again.

Getting Al Davis to give a top 10, possibly top 5 pick... wonderful! Its not like that pick would have hurt us though, he would have taken some D1AA kid there who was fast and seemed like he might be angry.

What do the pats do with this pick? Take Tebow and groom him for 2 or 3 years, then Brady retires at 35/36?

I think Belichick's ultimate goal is to wheel and deal to the point where he owns every single draft pick one year. Then he can just make a list of the 224 guys he wants from college, and spend the springtime fishing or something.

LaChapelle
09-06-2009, 11:47 AM
Big Al just got him so the Chargers couldn't. He's just fucking evil

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 11:49 AM
Wait until you guys figure out why Cassell was just a product of the Pats system and you all will see who got Raped....

Chocolate Hog
09-06-2009, 11:55 AM
It's not like the Raiders draft good first round players anyway.

KCtotheSB
09-06-2009, 11:57 AM
Regardless, we will still kick the Chiefs ass twice this year.


I find this hilarious. You've won what.....2-3 games in the past 6-7 years? I mean, you don't see too many Chiefs fans telling Bronco fans "we're gonna kick your ass twice a year" because if they're intelligent enough, they'll realize we haven't won in Denver in a bajillion years. But no, lovely Raider fans like yourself come in spouting off the same shit even though the Raiders haven't swept KC since 2001. Even when we've hit rock bottom, the Faid STILL can't sweep us...and we had Herm fuckin' Edwards!

Regardless, keep thinking your shitty team is relevant. The only relevancy you have on the league is being Bill Belichick's bitch every year in stupid f'n trades like the one this topic highlights. No matter how bad and shitty the Chiefs are we can still take solace in knowing we'll never be as bad and fucked up as you and your group of clowns are. Enjoy your 3-13 season, dick.

Basileus777
09-06-2009, 11:57 AM
Seymour had trouble getting motivated for the Patriots, does anyone think he will do anything but coast during his time with Oakland, especially if he gets paid?

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 11:58 AM
It's not like the Raiders draft good first round players anyway.

Now thats a good point

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 11:58 AM
Seymour had trouble getting motivated for the Patriots, does anyone think he will do anything but coast during his time with Oakland, especially if he gets paid?

he was motivated enough to get selected to 5 pro bowls

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Wait until you guys figure out why Cassell was just a product of the Pats system and you all will see who got Raped....

Those are discrete entities.

Furthermore, arguing that we got raped only shows the savvy of Belichick, and makes your own argument look worse by comparison.

Congratulations, you basically said "Ha, I fucked your ex-girlfriend" all the while forgetting that the ex-gf gave us herpes.

KCDC
09-06-2009, 12:03 PM
Al must think he is 1 player away from a championship LMAO

No, he is one great player away from just having a D- team.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 12:10 PM
I find this hilarious. You've won what.....2-3 games in the past 6-7 years? I mean, you don't see too many Chiefs fans telling Bronco fans "we're gonna kick your ass twice a year" because if they're intelligent enough, they'll realize we haven't won in Denver in a bajillion years. But no, lovely Raider fans like yourself come in spouting off the same shit even though the Raiders haven't swept KC since 2001. Even when we've hit rock bottom, the Faid STILL can't sweep us...and we had Herm ****in' Edwards!

Regardless, keep thinking your shitty team is relevant. The only relevancy you have on the league is being Bill Belichick's bitch every year in stupid f'n trades like the one this topic highlights. No matter how bad and shitty the Chiefs are we can still take solace in knowing we'll never be as bad and ****ed up as you and your group of clowns are. Enjoy your 3-13 season, dick.

Dude, the Chiefs had the dominant team of the 90's yet still haven't won or even been in a SB since Gatorade was invented....

Give me a break , as I said, the Raiders are not Superbowl or even playoff material, but this team is a helluva lot closer than the Chiefs are....

You guys may very well be the Detroit Lions of the NFL this year....

Kick and scream and jump up and down because maybe the Raiders ARE the best shot at you guys winning this year, but I woudn't count on it.... I can't wait to come in here in December and see all the Fire Haley or Fire Pioli threads that will be here or the bring back Marty threads....

I like you guys because I relate to you as the country ass boys most of you are (I am too) but your homerism every year is only surpassed by the dumb fks on the Orange Mange who think Orton is better than Cutler....

I never claimed the Raiders will be great, and our record won't get us in the playoffs but they will be light years ahead of the Chiefs this year in running game alone, and if possibly one of these rookies wr's develop they could be much better than anyone thinks.

They are good at TE, Great at RB good at FB decent on O line Better on DL excellent at CB ok at S

Now tell me how you grade the Chiefs and what makes you think they are going to be so much better than the Raiders? Is it Al? ya think Al owning the team is going to make you superior?

I don't think so.....

Ralphy Boy
09-06-2009, 12:11 PM
It's not like the Raiders draft good first round players anyway.

That's exactly right. Davis probably figured that he won't be alive by the time that draft rolls around anyway, so he'll go for the win now.

Hey Al, you might as well go ahead and trade away that entire draft while your at it because I'd imagine the other NFL owners will come together and buy that team from your meth addict heirs, just so they can rename them as something else and move them to Los Angeles.

For that matter, he could just take his entire team and defect from the NFL for the USFL so he might actually have a chance at another "Championship". He just might be crazy enough to do it.

Easy 6
09-06-2009, 12:13 PM
he was motivated enough to get selected to 5 pro bowls

Yep, and Moss was All-World...'til his plane touched down in chokeland.

But when he finally escaped from Witch Mountain, the curse was lifted & he became great again.

He'll wonder if he's still in the NFL.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 12:18 PM
Yep, and Moss was All-World...'til his plane touched down in chokeland.

But when he finally escaped from Witch Mountain, the curse was lifted & he became great again.

He'll wonder if he's still in the NFL.

You can't force a player that doesn't want to play for you to play man....

Would I like Moss on this team playing like he does in NE? Who wouldn't

Everybody knew how talented Moss was, thats why the Raiders wanted him, but he didn't want the Raiders... what do you do? keep him here and let him punt balls in practice and become a distraction or do you get what you can and move on?

I am not trying to be a homer and sit here and tell you the Raiders haven't made some stupid moves in the past few years. But to say Seymour is not a good pickup for a team that is bleeding on the line is absolutely ignorant.

This is a PROVEN player, a draft player is not.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:19 PM
This trade makes no sense for the Raiders. Seymour doesn't run a sub 4.3

King_Chief_Fan
09-06-2009, 12:21 PM
That is so cute. Raider fans thinking they arw relavent after getting Seymour.
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Easy 6
09-06-2009, 12:24 PM
You can't force a player that doesn't want to play for you to play man....

Would I like Moss on this team playing like he does in NE? Who wouldn't

Everybody knew how talented Moss was, thats why the Raiders wanted him, but he didn't want the Raiders... what do you do? keep him here and let him punt balls in practice and become a distraction or do you get what you can and move on?

I am not trying to be a homer and sit here and tell you the Raiders haven't made some stupid moves in the past few years. But to say Seymour is not a good pickup for a team that is bleeding on the line is absolutely ignorant.

This is a PROVEN player, a draft player is not.


Did the fade pick up a good player? yes, they did. Did they once again grossly overpay? yes, they did.

If Moss didnt want to be there, why do you think Seymour would? going from arguably the tightest ship in the NFL to its hands down most dysfunctional one?

Like someone else said, he's gonna set the cruise control, take his foot off the gas & collect checks.

wild1
09-06-2009, 12:24 PM
Yeah, Warren Sapp won so many games with Oakland, clearly this move makes them a contender as well.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 12:28 PM
Did the fade pick up a good player? yes, they did. Did they once again grossly overpay? yes, they did.

If Moss didnt want to be there, why do you think Seymour would? going from arguably the tightest ship in the NFL to its hands down most dysfunctional one?

Like someone else said, he's gonna set the cruise control, take his foot off the gas & collect checks.

Well then maybe the Raiders should just give up like the Chiefs did years ago huh?

I can tell just by the reactions on this forum that you know the Raiders just got better... and when you suck as bad as the Chiefs will that year it has to be a dagger in the heart

notorious
09-06-2009, 12:30 PM
The Chiefs are not the end all be all. If fact we have sucked for a few years.

Oakland has been the running joke of the league for years now.

Say it out loud,"We traded a first round pick, which will be used AFTER a rookie pay scale is instituted, to the New England Patriots, a team that NEVER gets the short end of the stick on trades, for an excellent player who's ability was brought out by brilliant schemes and coaching."

Oaklands coaching was ALMOST the worst in football last year. Herm and his squad had you beat for worst.

Good luck. I almost wish I had that amount of homerism in me, to be blind to facts that are right in front of me.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 12:32 PM
Well then maybe the Raiders should just give up like the Chiefs did years ago huh?

I can tell just by the reactions on this forum that you know the Raiders just got better... and when you suck as bad as the Chiefs will that year it has to be a dagger in the heart

The deal is good for the Raiders if they re-sign Seymour and Seymour can play at a top level for another 3-4 seasons. However, acting as if you just won the ****ing lottery, and trying to rub it into the faces of the Chiefs fans, is just stupid. You did give up a first round pick, after all, for a player who'll be a free agent at the end of the season. Until he signs an extension or a new contract, you've just rented a D-lineman for a season where 8 wins would be a near miracle.

salame
09-06-2009, 12:32 PM
maybe we have a chance at wilfork after all

notorious
09-06-2009, 12:33 PM
The deal is good for the Raiders if they re-sign Seymour and Seymour can play at a top level for another 3-4 seasons. However, acting as if you just won the ****ing lottery, and trying to rub it into the faces of the Chiefs fans, is just stupid. You did give up a first round pick, after all, for a player who'll be a free agent at the end of the season. Until he signs an extension or a new contract, you've just rented a D-lineman for a season where 8 wins would be a near miracle.

Thank you for your unbiased opinion based off of facts instead of 100% blind homerism.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 12:35 PM
The deal is good for the Raiders if they re-sign Seymour and Seymour can play at a top level for another 3-4 seasons. However, acting as if you just won the ****ing lottery, and trying to rub it into the faces of the Chiefs fans, is just stupid. You did give up a first round pick, after all, for a player who'll be a free agent at the end of the season. Until he signs an extension or a new contract, you've just rented a D-lineman for a season where 8 wins would be a near miracle.

As bad AS OUR LINE HAS PLAYED THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IT DOES FEEL LIKE THE LOTTERY

chiefzilla1501
09-06-2009, 12:40 PM
You can't force a player that doesn't want to play for you to play man....

Would I like Moss on this team playing like he does in NE? Who wouldn't

Everybody knew how talented Moss was, thats why the Raiders wanted him, but he didn't want the Raiders... what do you do? keep him here and let him punt balls in practice and become a distraction or do you get what you can and move on?

I am not trying to be a homer and sit here and tell you the Raiders haven't made some stupid moves in the past few years. But to say Seymour is not a good pickup for a team that is bleeding on the line is absolutely ignorant.

This is a PROVEN player, a draft player is not.

It's pretty simple. This is the kind of move a team makes when they feel they are one or two players away from being a Super Bowl contender. They are mortgaging the future tomorrow to bring in a player today.

The Raiders aren't terrible, but they're nowhere near Super Bowl level.

How many teams have successfully built purely through free agency? The best teams build through the draft. Seymour probably has 2 or 3 pro bowl level seasons left in his body. A draft pick can give you 10 really good seasons.

But, in general, Dan Snyder thinks your assessment is spot on.

Easy 6
09-06-2009, 12:41 PM
I can tell just by the reactions on this forum that you know the Raiders just got better.

LOL, you're really reaching.

Seymour will sleepwalk through this season & promptly, desperately begin looking for a way out. Better wear his jersey all you can this year, atleast get your $'s worth out of it.

chiefzilla1501
09-06-2009, 12:41 PM
The deal is good for the Raiders if they re-sign Seymour and Seymour can play at a top level for another 3-4 seasons. However, acting as if you just won the ****ing lottery, and trying to rub it into the faces of the Chiefs fans, is just stupid. You did give up a first round pick, after all, for a player who'll be a free agent at the end of the season. Until he signs an extension or a new contract, you've just rented a D-lineman for a season where 8 wins would be a near miracle.

In their defense, based on the way the Raiders drafted this season, even if they keep their picks, they're essentially getting rid of them.

notorious
09-06-2009, 12:45 PM
If they get that out of him it will be a successful trade IMO. How many first rounders end up going to 2-3 pro bowls, especially the Raiders picks.

I still think that the Raiders got prison raped, which is why they can relate to this deal. Most of them have been through it before, and walked away bow-legged and smiling.

wild1
09-06-2009, 12:45 PM
Oakland's draft pick is likely to be top 3. When was the last time a pick that high was traded for a single player?

RustShack
09-06-2009, 12:49 PM
Who cares? Pioli traded away Gonzalez! :cuss:

LMAO

salame
09-06-2009, 12:51 PM
I wonder if the chiefs tried to trade for him?

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 12:54 PM
No way, the Chiefs are far too smart to draft a player the Raiders wanted

Touchdown Bowe
09-06-2009, 12:54 PM
I love Raiders fans..theyve been repeating the same shit since 2003 and all its got them is several top 10 picks (who all happened to be busts) and an unhappy pro bowl WR who was traded to NE

notorious
09-06-2009, 12:56 PM
I love Raiders fans..theyve been repeating the same shit since 2003 and all its got them is several top 10 picks (who all happened to be busts) and an unhappy pro bowl WR who was traded to NE

Just like a broken record.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 12:59 PM
I love Raiders fans..theyve been repeating the same shit since 2003 and all its got them is several top 10 picks (who all happened to be busts) and an unhappy pro bowl WR who was traded to NE
I love Chiefs fans that can talk shit about the Raiders when they haven't even sniffed a SB since before I was in the first grade (psst, I am 43 now)ROFL
Had the most dominant teams of the 90's and won nothing...

Sit back and laugh at thre Raiders as if you are superior to them and wind up losing 2 more games than they do last year....

We have 2 teams here going in different directions, the Raiders are getting better and the Chiefs are getting worse....

So laugh away.....

Mr. Flopnuts
09-06-2009, 01:00 PM
Dude, the Chiefs had the dominant team of the 90's yet still haven't won or even been in a SB since Gatorade was invented....

Give me a break , as I said, the Raiders are not Superbowl or even playoff material, but this team is a helluva lot closer than the Chiefs are....

You guys may very well be the Detroit Lions of the NFL this year....

Kick and scream and jump up and down because maybe the Raiders ARE the best shot at you guys winning this year, but I woudn't count on it.... I can't wait to come in here in December and see all the Fire Haley or Fire Pioli threads that will be here or the bring back Marty threads....

I like you guys because I relate to you as the country ass boys most of you are (I am too) but your homerism every year is only surpassed by the dumb fks on the Orange Mange who think Orton is better than Cutler....

I never claimed the Raiders will be great, and our record won't get us in the playoffs but they will be light years ahead of the Chiefs this year in running game alone, and if possibly one of these rookies wr's develop they could be much better than anyone thinks.

They are good at TE, Great at RB good at FB decent on O line Better on DL excellent at CB ok at S

Now tell me how you grade the Chiefs and what makes you think they are going to be so much better than the Raiders? Is it Al? ya think Al owning the team is going to make you superior?

I don't think so.....

So if you concede the Raiders aren't great, why the fuck would you be happy to mortgage more of your future on a guy that isn't going to be around more than 1 year for a team that probably won't win 6 games? Think McFly, think.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:05 PM
So if you concede the Raiders aren't great, why the **** would you be happy to mortgage more of your future on a guy that isn't going to be around more than 1 year for a team that probably won't win 6 games? Think McFly, think.

I would rather have a proven player of need thats a step slow than a gamble at some college kid that may or may not be worth a shit in the pro's

The Raiders success over the years have come from veterans, they don't have a good track record with rookies.

Touchdown Bowe
09-06-2009, 01:07 PM
I love Chiefs fans that can talk shit about the Raiders when they haven't even sniffed a SB since before I was in the first grade (psst, I am 43 now)ROFL
Had the most dominant teams of the 90's and won nothing...

Sit back and laugh at thre Raiders as if you are superior to them and wind up losing 2 more games than they do last year....

We have 2 teams here going in different directions, the Raiders are getting better and the Chiefs are getting worse....

So laugh away.....

Saints 45
Raiders 0

Enough said

Also, how is Jamarcus Russell doing at RT?

wild1
09-06-2009, 01:08 PM
The Raiders success over the years

:shrug:

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:10 PM
Saints 45
Raiders 0

Enough said

Also, how is Jamarcus Russell doing at RT?

Saints will be a top flight team this year and if they beat us 45-7 they would have beat the Chiefs 59-3

That was a pre season game, thats also why the Raiders traded for Seymour

Coogs
09-06-2009, 01:12 PM
That was a pre season game, thats also why the Raiders traded for Seymour

While Seymour is pretty good, he isn't worth 45 points a game.

And then there is this point...

Haley > Cable

Mr. Flopnuts
09-06-2009, 01:16 PM
I would rather have a proven player of need thats a step slow than a gamble at some college kid that may or may not be worth a shit in the pro's

The Raiders success over the years have come from veterans, they don't have a good track record with rookies.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But what I'm asking is, would you trade every 1st round pick for the rest of this century for a players that are only going to spend 1 year in Oakland that's had success somewhere else? Because so far, that's what is going on here. What good is Seymour for 1 year if it's a year where the Raiders aren't going to do shit?

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:18 PM
While Seymour is pretty good, he isn't worth 45 points a game.

And then there is this point...

Haley > Cable

You are hoping this will be the case because I don't think he has been a HC before this yr.

Also he has to work with the 53 misfits you have for a football team this year as explained by your own members here
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=213397

Touchdown Bowe
09-06-2009, 01:19 PM
I also love how Raiders fans bash Matt Cassel non stop even though he's completing most of his passes and getting our offense down field while J-Russ is incompleting every pass he throws and the offense as a whole plays terrible..

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:21 PM
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But what I'm asking is, would you trade every 1st round pick for the rest of this century for a players that are only going to spend 1 year in Oakland that's had success somewhere else? Because so far, that's what is going on here. What good is Seymour for 1 year if it's a year where the Raiders aren't going to do shit?

Of course not but you guys should know by now, you can call Al crazy, Old, SENILE, whatever... but you can't call him cheap.

They will resign him.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 01:21 PM
The Raiders are close to being a really good team. They just need a solid veteran QB, like a Jeff Garcia, and maybe a Derrick Burgess, and a Randy Moss, and... oh, wait.

Wouldn't it be sweet if Burgess makes the Pro Bowl this season and Seymour coasts? ROFL

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:23 PM
I also love how Raiders fans bash Matt Cassel non stop even though he's completing most of his passes and getting our offense down field while J-Russ is incompleting every pass he throws and the offense as a whole plays terrible..

This is JR's year...... he will be something else for you guys to hate on real soon

Touchdown Bowe
09-06-2009, 01:25 PM
This is JR's year...... he will be something else for you guys to hate on real soon

Judging by how he played this preseason..Ill have to disagree

Now watch JR play terrible this season and next season you will be saying the same shit about it being his breakout year

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:26 PM
I also love how Raiders fans bash Matt Cassel non stop even though he's completing most of his passes and getting our offense down field while J-Russ is incompleting every pass he throws and the offense as a whole plays terrible..

Matt Cassell is basically another Kyle Orton, he can play, he can manage but he will never be anything special.

When is Cassell coming back anyway?

Coogs
09-06-2009, 01:27 PM
You are hoping this will be the case because I don't think he has been a HC before this yr.
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=213397

But Cable has been. And therefore we already know that sight unseen...

Haley > Cable

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:28 PM
Judging by how he played this preseason..Ill have to disagree

Now watch JR play terrible this season and next season you will be saying the same shit about it being his breakout year

he played pretty good in a couple of games, We are usually the champions of the pre season, how far did that get the Raiders?

Hang tight, you will get to see this freak of nature real soon, hope you got the D for it

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:31 PM
But Cable has been. And therefore we already know that sight unseen...

Haley > Cable

Cable took over another coaches team.... We shall see Haley is a rookie head coach, you have no idea how he is gonna be based only on a handful of pre season games.

I know he has potential and was one of the top prospects but so was alot of others that have failed, not saying he will fail but it's a crap shoot
Oh also Cable has no excuses this year, it is his team now
We will know soon, I will be watching you guys next Sunday

TFG
09-06-2009, 01:32 PM
Clearly, the Pats are very unhappy with Ron Brace and Myron Pryor...

KCChiefsMan
09-06-2009, 01:36 PM
wow, that has a great chance to be the #1 pick overall.

Coogs
09-06-2009, 01:38 PM
Cable took over another coaches team.... We shall see Haley is a rookie head coach, you have no idea how he is gonna be based only on a handful of pre season games.

I know he has potential and was one of the top prospects but so was alot of others that have failed, not saying he will fail but it's a crap shoot
Oh also Cable has no excuses this year, it is his team now
We will know soon, I will be watching you guys next Sunday

Well there is this too, from week 11 last season...

Kansas City Chiefs 20
Oakland Raiders 13


...and that was with Herm besting Cable's team 6 or so weeks into Cable's tenure.

That has got to be something that makes all Raider fans worry about Cable's abilities just a little bit I would think.

salame
09-06-2009, 01:39 PM
they will probably do something stupid and make him a d tackle or something

JD10367
09-06-2009, 01:39 PM
Matt Cassell is basically another Kyle Orton, he can play, he can manage but he will never be anything special.

When is Cassell coming back anyway?

Dude. You've got Fat Albert at quarterback. Please don't talk about another team's QB.

It's nice that you're all excited that you have an actual decent player on your roster again. But spare everyone the sight of you frantically stroking off in ecstasy and trying to dis another team. In the past six seasons, the Chiefs may have gone a pedestrian 45-51, but at least they've averaged close to .500 and made the playoffs twice. Since miraculously making the '02 SB, your team has won 4, 5, 4, 2, 4, and 5 games, for an aggregate six-season record of 24-72.

Coogs
09-06-2009, 01:41 PM
wow, that has a great chance to be the #1 pick overall.

It is the 2011 draft, not the 2010 draft. But you make a good point none the less.

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:42 PM
Dude. You've got Fat Albert at quarterback. Please don't talk about another team's QB.

It's nice that you're all excited that you have an actual decent player on your roster again. But spare everyone the sight of you frantically stroking off in ecstasy and trying to dis another team. In the past six seasons, the Chiefs may have gone a pedestrian 45-51, but at least they've averaged close to .500 and made the playoffs twice. Since miraculously making the '02 SB, your team has won 4, 5, 4, 2, 4, and 5 games, for an aggregate six-season record of 24-72.

How many Superbowls and playoff wins do you have since 1970?

JD10367
09-06-2009, 01:44 PM
How many Superbowls and playoff wins do you have since 1970?

Well, first, I'm a Patriots fan, so a few. And, second, reaching back 40 years is pointless. It wasn't the topic at hand. The topic at hand is you wandering over and acting like your team is suddenly the '85 Bears because you managed to trade for an actual quality player. It's nice. I'm happy for you. Enjoy Richard. But let's not measure dicks just yet. You might want to break .500 before you get all hot and bothered.

KCChiefsMan
09-06-2009, 01:46 PM
It is the 2011 draft, not the 2010 draft. But you make a good point none the less.

ya, I know.

Coogs
09-06-2009, 01:47 PM
ya, I know.

:thumb: I like your thinking! :toast:

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 01:55 PM
Well, first, I'm a Patriots fan, so a few. And, second, reaching back 40 years is pointless. It wasn't the topic at hand. The topic at hand is you wandering over and acting like your team is suddenly the '85 Bears because you managed to trade for an actual quality player. It's nice. I'm happy for you. Enjoy Richard. But let's not measure dicks just yet. You might want to break .500 before you get all hot and bothered.

Hey, I heard Belicheat got him a new video camera for Christmas... got any spare video to help us losing teams out a little?

Boris The Great
09-06-2009, 01:57 PM
According to everyones buddy Nick:

- Pioli should have made this trade
- Not making it is inexcusable
- It shows that Pioli is in over his head

veist
09-06-2009, 02:07 PM
Hey, I heard Belicheat got him a new video camera for Christmas... got any spare video to help us losing teams out a little?

Cable'll be too busy answering questions from the police to study any tape anyway :P

orange
09-06-2009, 02:08 PM
It's always great to bash the Raiders, but this was a good move.

Seymour is not that old, he's still very productive, and a first rounder 2 years out? That's the value of a third rounder this year.

As for some of you suggesting Derrick Burgess is going to more than fill Seymour's shoes - in what video game? Burgess is OLDER than Seymour, and is on the decline.

Just Passin' By
09-06-2009, 02:11 PM
It's always great to bash the Raiders, but this was a good move.

Seymour is not that old, he's still very productive, and a first rounder 2 years out? That's the value of a third rounder this year.

As for some of you suggesting Derrick Burgess is going to more than fill Seymour's shoes - in what video game? Burgess is OLDER than Seymour, and is on the decline.

It's a good move if they re-sign him and he stays productive. As for that draft pick, you may not have weighed out the possible ramifications of it. What do you think happens to the value of top 5-10 picks in 2011 if there's a new CBA with a rookie pay scale?

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 02:24 PM
It's always great to bash the Raiders, but this was a good move.

Seymour is not that old, he's still very productive, and a first rounder 2 years out? That's the value of a third rounder this year.

As for some of you suggesting Derrick Burgess is going to more than fill Seymour's shoes - in what video game? Burgess is OLDER than Seymour, and is on the decline.

Thats all I am saying.... will he be the piece of the puzzle to get the Raiders to the Superbowl? Not likely...

Will he help this team get pressure on a QB so every fking pass another team throws is not caught for 20 yards? You damn right it will.

The Raiders (or any team) are NEVER going to win when the defense stays on the field for 45 mins a game.

Raiders are putting very little pressure on the qb and the run defense is pathetic..... This will not cure every problem they have, but it will help this team big time.

Sometimes you have to do things you don't like to to fix things that are broken.

Regardless, unless the man has a career ending injury or trips over a mcdonalds bag or something, this player will not be a bust regardless of the cost of the pick

BigChiefFan
09-06-2009, 02:32 PM
I think a 1st rounder is a little steep, but the Raiders got a solid veteran STARTER out of the deal. I can't really fault them for acquiring talent.

Basileus777
09-06-2009, 02:45 PM
Richard Seymour isn't an impact player, he hasn't been for years. If you can get a first round pick for a declining 30 year old player who plays a position your team is very deep at and will be gone in a year, you do it.

BigChiefFan
09-06-2009, 02:46 PM
Richard Seymour isn't an impact player, he hasn't been for years. If you can get a first round pick for a declining 30 year old player who plays a position your team is very deep at and will be gone in a year, you do it. I agree, just sayin'-he's still a pretty good player.

Valiant
09-06-2009, 03:17 PM
WOW. The Raiders are ****ing retarted. They traded likely a top 5/top 10 draft pick for a 3-4 DE who is past his prime or near past his prime?

Isn't he a NT??

Coogs
09-06-2009, 03:19 PM
Isn't he a NT??

You're thinking of Vince Wilfork.

Valiant
09-06-2009, 03:24 PM
You're thinking of Vince Wilfork.

You are correct.. Guess I thought they would get a NT for defense instead of trading for an end, especially after trading them Burress..


The Raiders have to be the dumbest team in the NFL..

Burgess, 9 years 47sacks.. Pats give up 3rd and a 5th
Seymour, 9 years 39sacks.. Faid give up a 1st..


Wow..

JD10367
09-06-2009, 03:35 PM
Hey, I heard Belicheat got him a new video camera for Christmas... got any spare video to help us losing teams out a little?

Hahahaha! That's a good one! That's so funny! I've never heard a Spygate joke before. It's so original. Especially since it happened two years ago, and they went on to win 16 regular-season games after that.

When the Pats won SB38... your team sucked.
When the Pats won SB39... your team sucked.
When the Pats missed the '05 playoffs on a third tiebreaker... your team sucked.
When the Pats wnt 16-0 in 2007, and lost the SB... your team sucked.
When the Pats lost Tom F**king Brady in week one last season, and went on to win 11 games and be one of the rare 11-win teams in NFL history not to make the postseason... your team sucked.

Do we sense a trend? Now get back in mom's basement.

Mecca
09-06-2009, 03:37 PM
You are correct.. Guess I thought they would get a NT for defense instead of trading for an end, especially after trading them Burress..


The Raiders have to be the dumbest team in the NFL..

Burgess, 9 years 47sacks.. Pats give up 3rd and a 5th
Seymour, 9 years 39sacks.. Faid give up a 1st..


Wow..

If you're going to call someone dumb you shouldn't be posting a 3-4 lineman's sack numbers as a comparison because guess who that makes look dumb...

Valiant
09-06-2009, 03:38 PM
It's a good move if they re-sign him and he stays productive. As for that draft pick, you may not have weighed out the possible ramifications of it. What do you think happens to the value of top 5-10 picks in 2011 if there's a new CBA with a rookie pay scale?

Of course maybe the Raiders do not want to pay the #1 rookie that year all that money.. Especially with them being the worst ran franchise in the NFL and worth the least.. Maybe Al is thinking ahead and saving some money..

chiefzilla1501
09-06-2009, 03:49 PM
This is a great move for the Raiders.

The thing they were missing for their 4-3 defense was definitely a 3-4 DE.

This should be an interesting defense.

Touchdown Bowe
09-06-2009, 04:01 PM
Al Davis knows Richard Seymour plays DE/DT right?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 04:22 PM
Seymour was originally a 3 technique. It's not the change of D that's even an issue here, it's the compensation for one year of a guy whose clearly on the wrong side of his prime.

tk13
09-06-2009, 04:23 PM
I didn't realize Seymour only had one year left on his deal. That makes this a horrible move. If he doesn't re-sign, and he won't, this trade is almost criminal.

They marginally improve this year, then lose their top draft pick next year... in a season where the guy they traded for won't be around to help them stay out of the cellar. What kind of logic is that?

veist
09-06-2009, 04:30 PM
Seymour was originally a 3 technique. It's not the change of D that's even an issue here, it's the compensation for one year of a guy whose clearly on the wrong side of his prime.

Bingo, this is right on the money analysis.

DBOSHO
09-06-2009, 04:39 PM
branden albert will make richard seymour look stupid.

BradyFTW!
09-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Oakland is crazy, they gave up a high first rounder for a declining 3-4 DE on a one year deal. The Pats just got a great pick for a player that they were going to lose in a year anyway. And since they are playing a 4-3 and have great depth on their dline, Seymour is expendable anyway.

And Seymour hasn't been a dominant player since he got that contract 3 or 4 years ago. Last year was his best year in a while, and even then the Pats took him off the field on 3rd downs because he can't rush the passer.

Seymour led the Pats in sacks last year, so saying that he can't rush the passer is just wrong. If that had been a primary responsibility of his, he would have had a lot more than that, even. IMO Seymour is still the best 3-4 DE in the game. Playing in a 1-gap system, I think a lot of people will be surprised by his pass-rushing skills. He's also not on the decline: he had a knee injury in 2007, which he showed himself to be fully recovered from in 2008.

That said, it was still a horrible trade for the Raiders, unless you assume that they were just going to butcher their first round pick anyways (which they probably would have).

Touchdown Bowe
09-06-2009, 04:49 PM
Seymour led the Pats in sacks last year, so saying that he can't rush the passer is just wrong. If that had been a primary responsibility of his, he would have had a lot more than that, even. IMO Seymour is still the best 3-4 DE in the game. Playing in a 1-gap system, I think a lot of people will be surprised by his pass-rushing skills. He's also not on the decline: he had a knee injury in 2007, which he showed himself to be fully recovered from in 2008.

That said, it was still a horrible trade for the Raiders, unless you assume that they were just going to butcher their first round pick anyways (which they probably would have).

He wont be playing DE in Oakland since they run a 4-3 defense..so theres no way in hell he matches 8 sacks..2-4 is a good posibility

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 04:52 PM
I didn't realize Seymour only had one year left on his deal. That makes this a horrible move. If he doesn't re-sign, and he won't, this trade is almost criminal.

They marginally improve this year, then lose their top draft pick next year... in a season where the guy they traded for won't be around to help them stay out of the cellar. What kind of logic is that?

there is no way a player of this caliber does not have a contract waiting for him, Only the Broncos are stupid enough to make this move

Also it's a 2011 pick not a 2010 pick

You guys are bitter billys and I love it

BradyFTW!
09-06-2009, 04:53 PM
He wont be playing DE in Oakland since they run a 4-3 defense..so theres no way in hell he matches 8 sacks..2-4 is a good posibility

Wrong. He got most of his sacks last year playing as a 3-technique tackle. In Oakland he'll be... a 3-technique tackle.

Braincase
09-06-2009, 05:01 PM
I think I figured it out. This is karma balancing the books. God loves the Patriots, and the Chiefs, and hate's Satan's team, the Raiders. Kansas City got a pretty good deal landing Matt Cassell on the cheap, a 2nd round pick. To balance things out, God decided to bend over Screwtape Davis, and think he was getting a good deal with Richard Seymour for a first rounder. Alas, the league will soon report an issue with Seymour, like he was seen walking into an obscure location in the French Alps for a "Last Supper" dinner engagement, where they were serving Snapping Turtle Soup, Giant Panda L'Orange, Fresh Caviar from real Beluga Sturgeon, and a special desert made from Black Rhino Sweetbreads.

OK, maybe that part about the Sweetbreads was far fetched...

tk13
09-06-2009, 05:04 PM
there is no way a player of this caliber does not have a contract waiting for him, Only the Broncos are stupid enough to make this move

Also it's a 2011 pick not a 2010 pick

You guys are bitter billys and I love it

I understand it fine. You didn't read correctly. I said that in 2011, Seymour's not going to be there to help them. You don't give up a draft pick thinking you're going to get better during a season in which the guy you're trading for isn't even going to be there to help you.

tboss27
09-06-2009, 05:05 PM
I think I figured it out. This is karma balancing the books. God loves the Patriots, and the Chiefs, and hate's Satan's team, the Raiders. Kansas City got a pretty good deal landing Matt Cassell on the cheap, a 2nd round pick. To balance things out, God decided to bend over Screwtape Davis, and think he was getting a good deal with Richard Seymour for a first rounder. Alas, the league will soon report an issue with Seymour, like he was seen walking into an obscure location in the French Alps for a "Last Supper" dinner engagement, where they were serving Snapping Turtle Soup, Giant Panda L'Orange, Fresh Caviar from real Beluga Sturgeon, and a special desert made from Black Rhino Sweetbreads.

OK, maybe that part about the Sweetbreads was far fetched...

You think God loves the Chiefs?? Where have you been?

3rd&48ers
09-06-2009, 05:09 PM
If you guys would have posted this thread and it fell to the bottom in an hour I would have been worried, but I can clearly see the Chiefs faithful do not like this guy playing for the Raiders

Touchdown Bowe
09-06-2009, 05:11 PM
If you guys would have posted this thread and it fell to the bottom in an hour I would have been worried, but I can clearly see the Chiefs faithful do not like this guy playing for the Raiders

Everything Oakland touches goes to shit..im not worried about your super amazing d line

JD10367
09-06-2009, 05:13 PM
If you guys would have posted this thread and it fell to the bottom in an hour I would have been worried, but I can clearly see the Chiefs faithful do not like this guy playing for the Raiders

Yes. I'm sure the Chiefs fans are quite worried about the fearsome Oakland Raiders. This move might double their win total, from 1 game to 2. Eek.

BigRock
09-06-2009, 05:15 PM
there is no way a player of this caliber does not have a contract waiting for him

Surely they'll offer him a contract.

The question is: why in the blue hell would Seymour sign it?

tk13
09-06-2009, 05:18 PM
Yeah, more like someone knows crazy Al just made another stupid move. Lost a 1st rounder, got a guy with one year left on his contract before going into a free agency period where there may not even be a salary cap. Brilliant move.

BryanBusby
09-06-2009, 05:20 PM
Surely they'll offer him a contract.

The question is: why in the blue hell would Seymour sign it?

He already has rings and Al Davis will likely hand him a blank check. Why the hell wouldn't he?

Keep this in mind though. The Donks are desperate for decent players on their line and are no strangers to dealing away future picks, and McDaniels passed on him. Pioli passed on him, too. There's a good reason why the Pats took a draft pick 2 years from now to get rid of him, and its more than his contract getting close to the end.

tk13
09-06-2009, 05:20 PM
Surely they'll offer him a contract.

The question is: why in the blue hell would Seymour sign it?

As long as there's a chance that next year will be an uncapped season, there is no way he'll sign it. Unless it is an astronomical amount of money. Otherwise he can go jump into free agency where he'd be a perfect fit for someone like the Cowboys.

tk13
09-06-2009, 05:22 PM
Or you could have the ultimate irony, if he values winning, he might jump back into FA and take less money to sign back with the Patriots. That would be hilarious.

veist
09-06-2009, 05:22 PM
Surely they'll offer him a contract.

The question is: why in the blue hell would Seymour sign it?

Seriously, unless they are giving him ridiculous money why is he going to sign an extension since the Tag number is going to be plenty high thanks to Danny Boy and Haynesworth and the Fade's own mistake with Tommy Kelly.

Braincase
09-06-2009, 05:24 PM
You think God loves the Chiefs?? Where have you been?

Sacrificial Lambs, dog!

BigRock
09-06-2009, 05:42 PM
He already has rings and Al Davis will likely hand him a blank check. Why the hell wouldn't he?

Just off the top of my head:

- there are plenty of teams that would pay him big money
- none of them are as screwed up as the Raiders
- he might not want to be part of a laughingstock
- he might want to win some games
- he might not want to finish his career in Football Siberia

Tiger's Fan
09-06-2009, 06:00 PM
Surely they'll offer him a contract.

The question is: why in the blue hell would Seymour sign it?

Gibril Wilson said he couldn't wait to get out of that shithole, and it was the longest year of his life.

notorious
09-06-2009, 06:27 PM
Gibril Wilson said he couldn't wait to get out of that shithole, and it was the longest year of his life.

He is only one on a list of many. On ESPN a couple of weeks ago, they interview a couple of former Raiders. They all laughed because the franchise (if you can call it that) is a complete joke and they counted the days until they could get out of there.


Seymour is going to have to be the ultimate competitor to survive in the shithole known as Oakland.

JD10367
09-06-2009, 06:28 PM
He is only one on a list of many. On ESPN a couple of weeks ago, they interview a couple of former Raiders. They all laughed because the franchise (if you can call it that) is a complete joke and they counted the days until they could get out of there.


Seymour is going to have to be the ultimate competitor to survive in the shithole known as Oakland.

"Survivor: Oakland".

veist
09-06-2009, 07:08 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=181642

Remember this? I mean what significant move since the SB has Oakland made that hasn't turned out to be paying gold price for fools gold?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 07:10 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=181642

Remember this?

Yes I do.

DeAngelo Hall is the most overrated CB in the game, bar none.

You oughta check out some of the games that guys like T.O. have had against him.

veist
09-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Yes I do.

yeah, I forgot to put a little more of my take there... its there now :)

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:05 PM
He's a three technique.

He's any technique he wants to be. Rare size/speed/power.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:10 PM
I wouldn't put him ahead of Aaron Smith. Hell, you could make a pretty big argument that he's not the best 3-4 end on his team (Warren)

I like Tiny Warren, but no. When healthy (a key issue, as Seymour has had some injury issues the last few years) Seymour is an elite HOF level player. Tiny isn't quite at that level.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Since the Patriots haven't won a SB in 4 years, I'm not sure we can call them a continuing dynasty.

The Steelers, right now, are on the cusp of dynastic accomplishment, having won 2 of the last 4 SBs.

I think the two AFCC games in the last two years (one win, one loss), and the undefeated regular season keeps the dynasty going.

SF won 5 SB in 14 years, I think it was. Even with QB and HC changeover, that's really one ongoing dynasty, in my mind.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:15 PM
Oakland is crazy, they gave up a high first rounder for a declining 3-4 DE on a one year deal. The Pats just got a great pick for a player that they were going to lose in a year anyway. And since they are playing a 4-3 and have great depth on their dline, Seymour is expendable anyway.

And Seymour hasn't been a dominant player since he got that contract 3 or 4 years ago. Last year was his best year in a while, and even then the Pats took him off the field on 3rd downs because he can't rush the passer.

He was hurt the two years prior to last, which affected his play pretty significantly.

Are you sure about removing him on 3rd downs? I don't remember that at all.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 08:16 PM
I like Tiny Warren, but no. When healthy (a key issue, as Seymour has had some injury issues the last few years) Seymour is an elite HOF level player. Tiny isn't quite at that level.

No one is arguing at their apex.

Mr. Krab
09-06-2009, 08:16 PM
They better sign him to an extension BEFORE he plays and sees how shitty it is there. ROFL

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:19 PM
maybe we have a chance at wilfork after all

I'd say your chances just diminished considerably. The Pats just more or less chose who they would try harder to keep in the Wilfork/Seymour debate.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:25 PM
He wont be playing DE in Oakland since they run a 4-3 defense..so theres no way in hell he matches 8 sacks..2-4 is a good posibility

Remember that he was stuck playing the 2 gap in NE, which didn't highlight as skills.

If he's motivated (and if he's not signed to a long term deal, he will be), and healthy, he will absolutely command double teams or else dominate.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:27 PM
Surely they'll offer him a contract.

The question is: why in the blue hell would Seymour sign it?

Because Seymour is definitely Ty Law on the defensive line. He is in part about the money. He's already got three rings -- and the next one is likely to be his last big $$ contract.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:28 PM
Or you could have the ultimate irony, if he values winning, he might jump back into FA and take less money to sign back with the Patriots. That would be hilarious.

Not exactly in line with his historical actions. Think Ty Law.

wild1
09-06-2009, 08:29 PM
They better sign him to an extension BEFORE he plays and sees how shitty it is there. ROFL

They'd just end up trading him back to the Pats for a 4th

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:35 PM
So here are my thoughts, not that any of you care, but I don't care that you don't care. :D

First, I am freaking shocked, though I guess I shouldn't be. After all, it's Bill Belichick we're talking about, who wheels and deals like a drunken fantasty football league player, except he's much better at it.

From the Patriots point of view, I'm very nervous that we have diminished a very realistic chance at winning a Super Bowl or two here. Even assuming that it's a very high pick -- any rookie drafted in 2011 isn't going to make an impact until (obviously) 2011 and maybe even 2012 if he is (as many are) slow to develop. That leaves our chances of winning the SB during the dwindling Tom Brady window (he's 32 now) at least somewhat reduced.

When you add on that our front 7 has some suspect pieces and that we were really relying on the defensive line to make more of an impact to balance the fact that our historically terrific linebacking corps isn't so elite anymore, it's really a decision that you can easily question.

If the Patriots fail to win the SB in large part due to defensive weaknesses, then some hard questions can be asked about whether this was the right move.

(more in next post -- the long term outlook).

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 08:41 PM
Amno, I seriously think you just traded Seymour for your QBOTF. I know that's probably not a palatable piece of cud to chew on, but Seymour was gone anyway, Wilfork is the better, younger player, and the team will exist beyond Brady.

Mecca
09-06-2009, 08:43 PM
They chose Wilfork over Seymour and decided to get something better than a 3rd round comp pick.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:44 PM
On the other hand, from a different point of view -- that of the long term -- the deal is a no-brainer. And one point to note is that the Patriots are one of very, VERY few teams in the NFL that would ever do a deal like this. The NFL is the ultimate instant gratification league. Long term planning is not a strength for almost any team when head coaching turnover is about 33% per year.

Obviously, ANY team that could draft a 1st rounder, get 9 years out of him with five Pro Bowls and an All Pro or two, and then flip that guy for another 1st rounder, probably a top half of the round first rounder, would do it in a heartbeat nearly every time.

Seymour is in his contract year in 2009. So is Vince Wilfork. I've said all along that one fo those guys is a goner after this year, probably Seymour who is much more interested in money than Wilfork or most of the other "career Patriots" have have taken hometown discounts (Brady, Bruschi, Warren, Rosey Colvin). So to flip a guy that you were almost certainly only going to get one year out of anyway for a 1st round pick who could be a key player for multiple years -- in a sense you have to take the deal.

All that said, I don't understand all this trash talking about Seymour. He's a under 30 five time Pro Bowler who, IF HEALTHY, should be an elite player for at least 3 more years. He has rare size/speed/power, and the 2 gap technique he played at NE stunted his stats, if not the league-wide recognition of his abilities.

He suffered a vaguely described leg injury (supposedly while playing lead blocking "fullback" in a goal line offense), which affected his play over two years. Last year he was returning to form, and regaining his dominance. I had every hope and expectation of a truly GREAT year from him in 2009, as he both returned to full health (his offseason workout program was geared towards returning to greatness, rather than rehabbing injuries) and as he played for his next contract.

Of course, I think the deal makes no sense for Oakland if they can't sign him long term. If they don't, they got royally screwed in this transaction.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:46 PM
Amno, I seriously think you just traded Seymour for your QBOTF. I know that's probably not a palatable piece of cud to chew on, but Seymour was gone anyway, Wilfork is the better, younger player, and the team will exist beyond Brady.

From nearly any viewpoint, it's a trade you have to make. And I already thought we'd opt for Wilfork over Seymour for who gets extended past 2009.

The only downside is that we're entering our fifth year without a SB, the Brady window is dwindling (though hardly gone), and our front 7 was already a bit suspect. It COULD cost us a Super Bowl victory.

But yeah, since we were likely to only get one season out of him anyway, and the Raiders 1st will have significant, if not awesome, value, it's kind of a no-brainer trade.

Coach
09-06-2009, 08:47 PM
Amno, I seriously think you just traded Seymour for your QBOTF. I know that's probably not a palatable piece of cud to chew on, but Seymour was gone anyway, Wilfork is the better, younger player, and the team will exist beyond Brady.

That, plus, I think Seymour would be commanding a large contract that NE probably was not prepared to give him, so, I'm assuming that while the value is at a all time high, sell high.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 08:48 PM
It's always best to trade away a player a year too early than a year to late.

You just got a top 10 pick for one season (who knows if he'll get injured or be a world beater) of Seymour.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-06-2009, 08:51 PM
From nearly any viewpoint, it's a trade you have to make. And I already thought we'd opt for Wilfork over Seymour for who gets extended past 2009.

The only downside is that we're entering our fifth year without a SB, the Brady window is dwindling (though hardly gone), and our front 7 was already a bit suspect. It COULD cost us a Super Bowl victory.

But yeah, since we were likely to only get one season out of him anyway, and the Raiders 1st will have significant, if not awesome, value, it's kind of a no-brainer trade.

Ok, say JaFatcus busts and the Raiders totally go down in flames. In two years, you'll probably have a shot at some quality QBs. It's a much stronger class than this year's. Let that guy sit til 2013, and you get Brady's age 32,33,34, and 35 seasons out of him. That's 12 years. Can't ask for too much more.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:52 PM
It's always best to trade away a player a year too early than a year to late.

Clearly Belichick's motto when it comes to trading/cutting/signing players long term.

You just got a top 10 pick for one season (who knows if he'll get injured or be a world beater) of Seymour.

Odds are world-beater, but obviously, injuries are part of the game.

Amnorix
09-06-2009, 08:53 PM
Ok, say JaFatcus busts and the Raiders totally go down in flames. In two years, you'll probably have a shot at some quality QBs. It's a much stronger class than this year's. Let that guy sit til 2013, and you get Brady's age 32,33,34, and 35 seasons out of him. That's 12 years. Can't ask for too much more.

Right, ideally that would work out perfectly.