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DaKCMan AP
09-21-2009, 07:52 AM
AP Top 25
1. Florida (55)
2. Texas (2)
3. Alabama (3)
4. Mississippi
5. Penn State
6. California
7. LSU
8. Boise State
9. Miami (FL)
10. Oklahoma
11. Virginia Tech
12. USC
13. ohio state
14. Cincinnati
15. TCU
16. Oklahoma State
17. Houston
18. Florida State
19. Brigham Young
20. Kansas
21. Georgia
22. North Carolina
23. Michigan
24. Washington
25. Nebraska

USA Today Coaches Poll
1. Florida (59)
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Penn State
5. Mississippi
6. California
7. LSU
8. Boise State
9. Oklahoma
10. USC
11. ohio state
12. Virginia Tech
13. Miami (FL)
14. TCU
15. Cincinnati
16. Oklahoma State
17. Georgia
18. North Carolina
19. Kansas
20. Brigham Young
21. Missouri
22. Michigan
23. Houston
24. Nebraska
25. Florida State

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 07:54 AM
AP Top 25
1. Florida (55)
2. Texas (2)
3. Alabama (3)
4. Mississippi
5. Penn State
6. California
7. LSU
8. Boise State
9. Miami (FL)
10. Oklahoma
11. Virginia Tech
12. USC
13. ohio state
14. Cincinnati
15. TCU
16. Oklahoma State
17. Houston
18. Florida State
19. Brigham Young
20. Kansas
21. Georgia
22. North Carolina
23. Michigan
24. Washington
25. Nebraska

USA Today Coaches Poll
1. Florida (59)
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Penn State
5. Mississippi
6. California
7. LSU
8. Boise State
9. Oklahoma
10. USC
11. ohio state
12. Virginia Tech
13. Miami (FL)
14. TCU
15. Cincinnati
16. Oklahoma State
17. Georgia
18. North Carolina
19. Kansas
20. Brigham Young
21. Missouri
22. Michigan
23. Houston
24. Nebraska
25. Florida State

USC should've dropped out of the top 15.

rockymtnchief
09-21-2009, 07:58 AM
Oh noes! No Notre Dame?

GO BLUE!

the Talking Can
09-21-2009, 08:07 AM
bama should be #2

Stewie
09-21-2009, 08:32 AM
Heh! A Florida fan changing Ohio State to lower case. Fine with me. I hate that team.

Chiefnj2
09-21-2009, 08:35 AM
bama should be #2

Alabama should be #1.

kepp
09-21-2009, 08:41 AM
Alabama should be #1.

They're good, but they haven't earned that yet. Of course, UF's ranking is based off of last season, so...

CaliforniaChief
09-21-2009, 08:42 AM
I was surprised not to see Iowa crack the Top 25. Their defense looked absolutely stifling against a pretty good team (Arizona). I guess needing two blocked FG's to beat Northern Iowa really crushed them.

DaKCMan AP
09-21-2009, 08:45 AM
USC should've dropped out of the top 15.

You realize that however low USC drops, ohio state remains below them.

kepp
09-21-2009, 08:49 AM
I was surprised not to see Iowa crack the Top 25. Their defense looked absolutely stifling against a pretty good team (Arizona). I guess needing two blocked FG's to beat Northern Iowa really crushed them.

Probably similar to Missouri's situation. A less-than-convincing win over an inferior opponent is still hurting them. Maybe when they clobber Nevada this week, and certainly when they beat the nubs for a third straight time.

Chiefnj2
09-21-2009, 08:54 AM
They're good, but they haven't earned that yet. Of course, UF's ranking is based off of last season, so...

They've earned it more than anyone else so far.

Sam Hall
09-21-2009, 08:57 AM
Both polls are a mess. Somebody voted BYU ahead of Florida State. I have doubts about Washington as a top 25 team. Same for Miami as a top 10 team. Nebraska almost dropped out of both polls after losing by one at a top 15 team.

kepp
09-21-2009, 08:57 AM
They've earned it more than anyone else so far.

Yeah, I guess you're probably right.

kepp
09-21-2009, 08:58 AM
Both polls are a mess. Somebody voted BYU ahead of Florida State. I have doubts about Washington as a top 25 team. Same for Miami as a top 10 team. Nebraska almost dropped out of both polls after losing by one at a top 15 team.

What was Zac Lee's QB rating?

the Talking Can
09-21-2009, 09:01 AM
Alabama should be #1.

i certainly think bama could be the best...florida's defense doesn't seem as physical as bama's...

Frazod
09-21-2009, 09:13 AM
I see Nebraska is still ranked ahead of Missouri (in one poll, anyway).

Perhap's billay's swelling will go down a bit. :D

Der Flöprer
09-21-2009, 09:28 AM
Both polls are a mess. Somebody voted BYU ahead of Florida State. I have doubts about Washington as a top 25 team. Same for Miami as a top 10 team. Nebraska almost dropped out of both polls after losing by one at a top 15 team.

I was shocked when I saw that UW got into the top 25 on the AP poll, and knew they wouldn't be in the coaches poll before I ever looked at it. That said, PBJ PBJ PBJ

Sam Hall
09-21-2009, 09:33 AM
What was Zac Lee's QB rating?

This question coming from someone whose team was down 20-6 in the third quarter at home against Bowling Green.

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 09:36 AM
FUCK Tim Tebow.

Sincerely,
America

Baconeater
09-21-2009, 09:36 AM
What was Zac Lee's QB rating?
Somewhere between lolcano and roflcopter.

kepp
09-21-2009, 09:45 AM
This question coming from someone whose team was down 20-6 in the third quarter at home against Bowling Green.

...and this deflection coming from someone whose team lost to a completely anemic offense despite a flurry of field goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GuGqPKP3xw

BTW...Gabbert's QB rating in the Bowling Green game was 124.4 even after that first half.

kepp
09-21-2009, 09:52 AM
What was Zac Lee's QB rating?

74.7 according to this site: http://www.primecomputing.com/

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 09:55 AM
No Big10 or ACC team deserves to be in Top 15

Sam Hall
09-21-2009, 10:00 AM
...and this deflection coming from someone whose team lost to a completely anemic offense despite a flurry of field goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GuGqPKP3xw

BTW...Gabbert's QB rating in the Bowling Green game was 124.4 even after that first half.

Mizzou almost lost at home to Bowling Green and you wanna rip Zac Lee for his first road start at Virginia Tech? Get a clue, brotha. Get a clue.

DaKCMan AP
09-21-2009, 10:37 AM
Don't look now but USC's dynasty might be done

Sep. 20, 2009
By Dennis Dodd
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

Here's the current state of USC football: Pete Carroll tried to hide from Washington the fact that he was starting Aaron Corp.

Seldom, if ever, has Carroll had to play the game-time decision card with his quarterbacks. His guys have been healthy and experienced, sometimes legends. But on Saturday one of the nation's best coaches was reduced to gamesmanship involving a kid who had thrown eight career passes.

The alternative, of course, was a true freshman (Matt Barkley) who couldn't throw. Sure threw off Washington, didn't it?

Hopefully, the celebrating hasn't died down in Montlake. The long-suffering Huskies deserve their upset for the ages. But the real story this week is about who they beat.

It happened again. If you're not familiar with the redundancy, then dial up Jim Harbaugh or Mike Riley or what's his name who used to be at UCLA. Those three guys have all upset USC since 2006 -- Riley did it twice.

When fans flooded the Huskies Stadium turf, Washington shocked themselves more than veteran USC observers. Carroll has lost to an unranked team each of the past four years. Losing the "little ones" has become an annoying habit for a program that, going into Saturday, was actually competing to be the team of the decade. If those two national championships seem sooo five years ago it's because, well, they are.

It was a bad acid trip coming down off the high that was Ohio State. The Huskies were 0-12 last season. They had beaten one ranked team in the past six years. At this point, we're not so much surprised as numb after Washington's 16-13 victory. A week ago, the Huskies were celebrating the end of the nation's longest losing streak while surrendering 412 yards to Idaho. Today, they have their biggest home win since 1981.

Think of the absurd times we live in. In his third game as a head coach, Steve Sarkisian was able to do what Charlie Weis never could -- beat USC with Tyrone Willingham's players.

As USC's offensive coordinator, Sark helped recruit both of the Trojans' quarterbacks. He helped coach Corp. In some sort of parallel-universe way, is part of the USC loss on him? The man has been a part of all five of the recent USC upsets while winning one.

Sarkisian just made every AD's short list in the country -- before his first homecoming.

The dude who played one semester of baseball at USC before realizing he couldn't hit, is the biggest hit in Seattle this week.

The Roman Catholic son of an Iranian father played football at a Mormon school (BYU) but didn't have a prayer when he took the job.

Five months ago, Sarkisian sat in his office and said, "What happened here, to me, is these guys lost the value of competing. They lost so much, whether they were ahead or behind, it was, 'Here we go again.'"

On Saturday, USC tailback Joe McKnight told reporters: "Clearly, we have superior athletes. But hard work beats athleticism every time."

That's as damning a comment that has come out of these inexplicable USC losses. If it's true and the Trojans were outworked by the Huskies then it's time to draw the obvious conclusions -- the Trojans believe the hype. They're infatuated with themselves and the program's legacy. It's human nature. Everyone from Lindsay Lohan to Barry Bonds wakes up one day and a little part of them starts phoning it in. They start living on their rep, cutting corners.

Next thing you know they're on a reality show somewhere and we're all laughing. Some can get by on 90 percent of themselves. The Trojans aren't among them.

"College football has gotten to be about survival," Texas' Mack Brown said after getting past Texas Tech on Saturday night. "It's not who is the best team, it's who is the best team that day."

You know that. I know that. It's much more complicated for USC. There are injuries. Carroll lost a deep threat and receiver depth when Ron Johnson was gone for the season. Cornerback Shareece Wright has been declared academically ineligible. All-American safety Taylor Mays missed Saturday's game with a lingering knee problem. Barkley was out with that bruised shoulder, although you wonder if he would have made a difference.

There's new staff. Quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates, the offensive play caller, was a hero last week at Ohio State. Maybe not so much now. In the past two weeks, the offense has scored 18 against Ohio State (understandable) and 13 against Washington (unacceptable).

Please don't let any of that sound like excuses. Washington is Stanford is Oregon State is UCLA is ... what's next? That nagging cough now seems like something serious. It's one thing to cough up a hair ball now and then. It's another to have a bleeding esophagus.

Oregon State in '06 and '08 was a glitch. Stanford was a shock two years ago. Washington now represents a trend.

We're not sure, yet, but this seems like this is about a dynasty teetering on the brink. The great ones never seem to fall off a cliff all at once, do they? Nebraska descended into mediocrity in degrees. Penn State dipped then rebounded. Alabama hasn't won the SEC since 1999 but finally think they have the right guy in Nick Saban.

For this angle, it looks like the tread is wearing off USC's Nikes bit by bit. Sure, the Trojans can win the Pac-10 again but what does that really mean, another clobbering of the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl? Been there, fallen asleep at that.

Who would have thought that the Trojans wouldn't have a quarterback to lean on? That's not to say they won't in the future. It does explain why Carroll was initially angry after Mark Sanchez left early for the NFL. All he had to do was look at the roster. Barkley might develop into something great but he's not there yet. And as long as he's not playing it's not worth discussing.

Barkley still has true freshman running through him. Corp? You wonder how he won the job out of spring. You also wonder why he wasn't prepared better on Saturday. Washington clamped down after the first quarter. Corp's 110 yards passing was USC's lowest of the Carroll era.

Eight years as a super power is amazing in this day and age. If the dynasty is slipping, Carroll could have looked around the national landscape and seen the loose threads. Former offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin now is making a name for himself at Tennessee. Carroll was done in at Washington by Sarkisian and former USC defensive coordinator Nick Holt.

That's subtraction by subtraction. Staff change happens to every successful coach, though. In this case, Dr. Frankenstein's creations turned on him in one unfortunate Saturday afternoon.

Can Carroll build another monster?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/12237102

Skip Towne
09-21-2009, 10:52 AM
What happened to that USC QB from Arkansas?

DaKCMan AP
09-21-2009, 11:18 AM
What happened to that USC QB from Arkansas?

Mitch Mustain. Apparently he can't beat out Barkley or Corp and is 3rd string.

vailpass
09-21-2009, 11:24 AM
I was surprised not to see Iowa crack the Top 25. Their defense looked absolutely stifling against a pretty good team (Arizona). I guess needing two blocked FG's to beat Northern Iowa really crushed them.

I thought maybe an Iowa win would get them in ahead of Nebraska with a loss.
And I like Nebraska, hated to see them lose to coach Frankenstein and va tech.

vailpass
09-21-2009, 11:24 AM
What happened to that USC QB from Arkansas?

He poured beer in Lars Ulrich's amp and got kicked out of the band.

Skip Towne
09-21-2009, 11:58 AM
Mitch Mustain. Apparently he can't beat out Barkley or Corp and is 3rd string.

And he left McFadden and Felix Jones for that?

ohiobronco2
09-21-2009, 02:33 PM
Buckeyes win, they drop 2 spots. If they lose, they drop 3. Fine by me, they are not a championship team this year. Next year, watch out.

DaKCMan AP
09-21-2009, 02:42 PM
Buckeyes win, they drop 2 spots. If they lose, they drop 3. Fine by me, they are not a championship team this year. Next year, watch out.

They had to drop. USC lost and had to fall and ohio state cannot be ranked higher than USC.

Bearcat
09-21-2009, 03:04 PM
Buckeyes win, they drop 2 spots. If they lose, they drop 3. Fine by me, they are not a championship team this year. Next year, watch out.

Miami and VTech both beat ranked teams, so they jumped OSU... not sure why OU jumped them though. Guess beating up Tulsa > beating up Toledo. :shrug:

Not that it matters.... they'll move up as other teams play competitively over the next several weeks while they go through the Big Televen, and it'll come down to PSU/OSU; probably for the chance to be BCS #2 unless they both shit their pants elsewhere. :(

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 03:06 PM
No Big10 or ACC team deserves to be in Top 15

Penn State and Ohio State deserve to be in the top 15 IMO.

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 03:07 PM
Buckeyes win, they drop 2 spots. If they lose, they drop 3. Fine by me, they are not a championship team this year. Next year, watch out.

I agree, but I think we are a good team.

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 03:08 PM
They had to drop. USC lost and had to fall and ohio state cannot be ranked higher than USC.

Were you scared when "jesus" Tebow didnt look like the second coming?

Great Expectations
09-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Tulsa > Toledo (check out their recent bowl games vs the MAC champions).

Mitch Mustain is now focusing on punting at USC.

Why is Penn State getting so much respect? Their offense is not top 5 worthy.

Bearcat
09-21-2009, 03:16 PM
Tulsa > Toledo (check out their recent bowl games vs the MAC champions).

Mitch Mustain is now focusing on punting at USC.

Why is Penn State getting so much respect? Their offense is not top 5 worthy.

Yep.... Tulsa is 67 and Toledo is 96.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2

sedated
09-21-2009, 03:21 PM
Why is Penn State getting so much respect? Their offense is not top 5 worthy.

that's the exact thing everyone outside ohio state and penn state think on a weekly basis, year after year. "they are STILL ranked that high? wtf?!"

Great Expectations
09-21-2009, 03:24 PM
Tulsa beat Ball State 45-13 last year and in '07 they beat Bowling Green 63-7.

Great Expectations
09-21-2009, 03:29 PM
that's the exact thing everyone outside ohio state and penn state think on a weekly basis, year after year. "they are STILL ranked that high? wtf?!"

I guess I haven't been paying that much attention, but I thought they would hover around 10 until they lost to another mediocre team. Hopefully they eff it up somehow. Michigan looks like the only B10 team with the athletes to be good and they look a year or two away.

KCChiefsFan88
09-21-2009, 03:48 PM
The U beats FSU at FSU... BYU beats Oklahoma on a not-so-neutral field in Dallas... FSU dismantles BYU at BYU... prepare for another ass kicking in Miami Oklahoma fans, on October 3rd.

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 03:49 PM
that's the exact thing everyone outside ohio state and penn state think on a weekly basis, year after year. "they are STILL ranked that high? wtf?!"

Good call on the Toledo game Chief. :rolleyes:. Hate on hater.

KCChiefsFan88
09-21-2009, 03:50 PM
Penn State and Ole Miss should not be ranked ahead of Miami. Their ranking is 100% based on preseason expectations... they have both played NO ONE to date.

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 03:53 PM
I guess I haven't been paying that much attention, but I thought they would hover around 10 until they lost to another mediocre team. Hopefully they eff it up somehow. Michigan looks like the only B10 team with the athletes to be good and they look a year or two away.

Have you even looked at Ohio States roster? They are loaded with talent, they just need to get experience, and get rid of Herm Edwards Jr calling the plays. Ohio State is going to be very good next year, everyone will have another year under their belts. Our O-Line has been battling injuries, losing Cordle hurts, we just cant get a set lineup. This year will be a roller coaster, but Our defense is loaded with playmakers, our offense needs some work, but you'll have that.

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 03:54 PM
Penn State and Ole Miss should not be ranked ahead of Miami. Their ranking is 100% based on preseason expectations... they have both played NO ONE to date.

This. I think the Big 10 has no dominant teams, they have 3 pretty good teams in OSU,PSU, michigan, I think Iowa is decent, but the rest is pretty much garbage.

Der Flöprer
09-21-2009, 04:04 PM
Something stinks in here. Oh, it's the lingering aroma from UW shitting on Miami's 61 home game winning streak all the way back in 1994.

DaKCMan AP
09-21-2009, 04:45 PM
Were you scared when "jesus" Tebow didnt look like the second coming?

I was at the game and it was never in question.

El Jefe
09-21-2009, 04:49 PM
I was at the game and it was never in question.

I wont talk crap because he is good, but he looked mediocre that game. If Tennessee even had a breathe of offense they would of won that game. In the end they still won, so it's a moot point.

DaKCMan AP
09-21-2009, 04:52 PM
I wont talk crap because he is good, but he looked mediocre that game. If Tennessee even had a breathe of offense they would of won that game. In the end they still won, so it's a moot point.

He had a poor game. Some of it was him making poor reads. Some of it was ultra-conservative playcalling.

If Tennessee had more of an offense and did anything more than run all day (they didn't even hurry-up while down double digits late in the 4th quarter) then Florida would have opened it up a bit more. As it was, Florida didn't need to have a big offensive day so they didn't force it.

I'll take a poor game by Tebow that still results in a double-digit victory. Tebow VERY rarely has a bad game so hopefully that's it for the year. ;)

ohiobronco2
09-21-2009, 05:23 PM
They had to drop. USC lost and had to fall and ohio state cannot be ranked higher than USC.

I get that. I understand being ranked below USC, I just find it ridiculous that we dropped 2 spots after the Navy loss. Frankly, Washington should send some gifts to our athletic facilities, given the fact that USC lost Mays and Barkley as a result of a physical game with OSU. With those players, I doubt Washington pulls off the upset.

ohiobronco2
09-21-2009, 05:25 PM
Good call on the Toledo game Chief. :rolleyes:. Hate on hater.

Yeah. It appears as though Sedated is in full douche mode. Doesn't appear to know his as* from a hole in the ground.

ohiobronco2
09-21-2009, 05:33 PM
Have you even looked at Ohio States roster? They are loaded with talent, they just need to get experience, and get rid of Herm Edwards Jr calling the plays. Ohio State is going to be very good next year, everyone will have another year under their belts. Our O-Line has been battling injuries, losing Cordle hurts, we just cant get a set lineup. This year will be a roller coaster, but Our defense is loaded with playmakers, our offense needs some work, but you'll have that.

Another Tressel problem, he doesn't seem to play his best players. We have more talent at the LB position than just about anybody else, but we have to play seniors instead of the more talented underclassmen. Spitler ahead of Sabino is a joke. I'll tell you what to look forward to, John Simon. Kid is going to be a stud, he was getting triple teamed at times against Toledo and still getting a push. Imagine a starting line of Nathan Williams, Cam Heyward, John Simon and Thadeus Gibson. Amazing.

BWillie
09-21-2009, 05:49 PM
Kansas should be ranked #2

KChiefs1
09-27-2009, 10:29 AM
Will MU break the top 25 in the AP this week?

kepp
09-27-2009, 11:04 AM
Will MU break the top 25 in the AP this week?

I kind of hope not. They aren't consistent enough. They've definitely shown flashes of the talent they have, but they've shown more flashes of their youth.

Great Expectations
09-27-2009, 11:50 AM
Have you even looked at Ohio States roster? They are loaded with talent, they just need to get experience, and get rid of Herm Edwards Jr calling the plays. Ohio State is going to be very good next year, everyone will have another year under their belts. Our O-Line has been battling injuries, losing Cordle hurts, we just cant get a set lineup. This year will be a roller coaster, but Our defense is loaded with playmakers, our offense needs some work, but you'll have that.


I've watched OSU, they are a good team, but don't have the elite talent. OSU is looked at as an elite team, but they don't have the speed that a Texas, OU, USC, Florida, LSU have. Maybe I should change that to they don't utilize speed the way the aforementioned teams do.

Rich Rod appears to be installing a relevant offense that puts a premium on speed which is what the B10 lacks.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-27-2009, 11:54 AM
Will MU break the top 25 in the AP this week?

Well FSU, UNC, and Washington should all drop out.

I don't see how they aren't put in there.

ohiobronco2
09-27-2009, 12:24 PM
I've watched OSU, they are a good team, but don't have the elite talent. OSU is looked at as an elite team, but they don't have the speed that a Texas, OU, USC, Florida, LSU have. Maybe I should change that to they don't utilize speed the way the aforementioned teams do.
Rich Rod appears to be installing a relevant offense that puts a premium on speed which is what the B10 lacks.

That is a much better way of putting it, because OSU has plenty of speed. They have a commit from a kid named Chad Hagan who ran a legit 4.29 40 at a scout.com combine last year. They just don't utilize their speed properly and they fail to incorporate new ideas into their game plan. It's quite stale actually