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'Hamas' Jenkins
09-21-2009, 01:23 PM
In honor of Rainman's various collections of individuals, both hero and scoundrel, I figured that we should establish who the worst Chiefs of all time were, taking into account only play on the field.

Requirements: 1 player per position.

Offense: LT,LG,C,RG,RT,WR1,WR2,TE,HB,FB,QB
Defense: RDE, NT, 3T, LDE, WLB, MLB, SLB, RCB, LCB, FS, SS

ST:1 KR, 1, P, 1 PR, 1 K, 1 LS, 1 KOS.

Rules: They must have started a minimum of three games for the Chiefs, with the exception of KOS and LS.

Nominations will be taken for two days, wherein a poll of choices will be presented, and the Herman Edwards Memorial All-Time Toilet Bowl Chiefs will be crowned.

Please provide reasoning for your nomination. Illustrate specific failures when necessary, and if possible.

The nominees are:

LT: Jordan Black, G-Rod Walters, Marcus Spears
LG: Bob Simmons, Tom Condon
C: Rudy Niswanger, Jeff Smith, Tom Baugh
RG: Adrian Jones, Brad Budde, George Daney
RT: Kyle Turley, Kevin Sampson, Chris Terry, Chris Bober, Damion McIntosh
HB: Mike Cloud, Rashaan Shehee, Paul Palmer, Greg Hill, Bam Morris, Donnell Bennett, Ethan Horton, James Hadnot, Jewerl Thomas, Billy Jackson
FB: Boomer Grigsby, Ronnie Cruz
WR: Snoop Minnis, Samie Parker, Danan Hughes, Kevin Lockett, Larry Parker, Chris Thomas, Robb Thomas, Barry Pearson, Pete Mandley, Dennis Homan
WR: Sean LaChappelle, Chris Horn, Chris Penn, Jeff Webb, Devard Darling, Lake Dawson
TE: Ed Beckman, Willie Scott, Kris Wilson
QB: Todd Blackledge, Elvis Grbac, Steve Pueller, Steve Bono, Tyler Thigpen, Pete Beathard, Bill Kenney, Steve Fuller

LDE: Turk McBride, Whitney Paul
NT: TheRetardian, Dino Mangiero, Ken Kremer
3T: Ryan Sims, Glenn Dorsey
RDE: Eric Hicks
WLB: Lew Bush, Shawn Barber
MLB: Kendrell Bell, Mike Maslowski, Pat Thomas, Jimbo Elrod, Scott Radecic
SLB: Glen Cadrez, Thomas Howard
RCB: Eric Warfield, Dexter McLeon
FS: Shaunard Harts
SS: Charles Mincy, Bernard Pollard
LCB: William Burntee

K: He who shall not be named
P: Dan Stryzinski, Jason Baker, Steve Cheek
KR: Eddie Drummond, Jitter Fields
PR: Eddie Drummond
LS: Ed Perry
KOS: John Baker

Dicky McElephant
09-21-2009, 01:26 PM
Eric Warfield - CB

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 01:26 PM
CB= WILLIAM BARTEE

LO>OLOLOL Crispy and Toasty!

Buck
09-21-2009, 01:27 PM
Tamarick Vanover

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 01:28 PM
Tamarick Vanover

Vanover could actually play.

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 01:28 PM
K= very obvious. No other Choice.

the kicker that shall go unnamed.

LT-Jordan Black\

HB- Mike Cloud. Failed behind a legendary Chiefs line.

NT-Junior Siavii

3T-Ryan Sims

TE-Morris Stroud

Dicky McElephant
09-21-2009, 01:29 PM
Ryan Sims - DT

Gonzo
09-21-2009, 01:29 PM
Blackledge

Bane
09-21-2009, 01:32 PM
Kendrell Bell.LB

memyselfI
09-21-2009, 01:32 PM
Grbackup.

salame
09-21-2009, 01:32 PM
Junior Siavii - DT

Delano
09-21-2009, 01:32 PM
DT: Glenn Dorsey

Dicky McElephant
09-21-2009, 01:33 PM
Eric Hicks - DE

Bane
09-21-2009, 01:34 PM
DT: Glenn Dorsey

:LOL:
ROFL

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:34 PM
I'd take Warfield over Dexter McCleon ANYDAY.

McBurnOn gets my vote for RCB

MVChiefFan
09-21-2009, 01:34 PM
C - Rudy Niswanger...I think we've been good up until him.

Dicky McElephant
09-21-2009, 01:35 PM
RT - Kyle Turley
RG - Mike Goff

Ebolapox
09-21-2009, 01:36 PM
rashaan shehee

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 01:36 PM
S- Charles Mincy

QB Steve Pelluer

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-21-2009, 01:37 PM
Anyone see Steve Fuller play QB? That guy had to suck ass, but I'm too young to remember.

I will nominate some of these guys

Snoop Minnis
Sean LaChapelle
Chris Horn
Kevin Sampson
Kyle Turley
Chris Terry
Glen Cadrez
Lew Bush
Dextor McPasson

Delano
09-21-2009, 01:37 PM
RT - Kyle Turley
RG - Mike Goff

Goff has only played two games. Three is the minimum.

Otherwise, I'd have nominated T. Jackson.

Brock
09-21-2009, 01:37 PM
RB Paul Palmer. Reputed to have threatened to intentionally fumble in the middle of a game.

Pitt Gorilla
09-21-2009, 01:37 PM
Trezelle Jenkins.
Steve Bono.
Nate Hobgood-Chittick.
C/G Jeff Smith.

Also, I would guess there are MUCH worse ends than Hicks.

Dicky McElephant
09-21-2009, 01:37 PM
Goff has only played two games. Three is the minimum.



Damn! So close!

Bane
09-21-2009, 01:38 PM
Shawn Barber LB!!!Remeber his goofy picture?ROFL

Stinger
09-21-2009, 01:38 PM
HB- Mike Cloud. Failed behind a legendary Chiefs line.

NT-Junior Siavii

3T-Ryan Sims

TE-Morris Stroud

Seconded although Ryan Simms had more interceptions than Bartee :banghead:

Sofa King
09-21-2009, 01:40 PM
Percy Snow...LBer..

Junior Siavii DT

Kris Wilson TE

Boomer Grigsby FB, LB

Turk McBride DE

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:40 PM
S - Shaunard Harts

That fucker was awful.

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:41 PM
Anyone see Steve Fuller play QB? That guy had to suck ass, but I'm too young to remember.

I will nominate some of these guys

Snoop Minnis
Sean LaChapelle
Chris Horn
Kevin Sampson
Kyle Turley
Chris Terry
Glen Cadrez
Lew Bush
Dextor McPasson

Sampson was good til he got injured.

Ebolapox
09-21-2009, 01:41 PM
mike maslowski, LB

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:42 PM
All world pick 2nd rounder DL Eddie Freeman.


Basically 99% of DV's drafts belong in this thread.

Bane
09-21-2009, 01:42 PM
Craponzo Thorpe!!!!

Brock
09-21-2009, 01:42 PM
Trezelle Jenkins.
Steve Bono.
Nate Hobgood-Chittick.

Also, I would guess there are MUCH worse ends than Hicks.

Steve Bono was far from the worst QB the Chiefs have ever had. Trezelle and Nate only started one game apiece.

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:42 PM
Wow...no Greg Hill?

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:43 PM
Steve Bono was far from the worst QB the Chiefs have ever had. Trezelle and Nate only started one game apiece.

Bono at least went to a Pro bowl.....surprisingly, but since he did, I dont think you can put him in that group.....even though he did suck. Just didn't suck as worse as the others. And had the longest QB draw, I think may still be a record. Maybe Vick broke it I dunno.

salame
09-21-2009, 01:44 PM
Ronnie Cruz Fullback

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:44 PM
Sammie "First Down celebrating "Parker?

RJ
09-21-2009, 01:44 PM
Anyone see Steve Fuller play QB? That guy had to suck ass, but I'm too young to remember.




Fuller was a bad quarterback on some bad teams, but it's hard to argue with Thigpen's 1-10 record as a starter. I'm normally partial to the old guys, but you can't argue with success....er....failure.

Buck
09-21-2009, 01:44 PM
Vanover could actually play.

Sorry, I am just mad at him because he was garbage when he played for the Chargers.

Brock
09-21-2009, 01:44 PM
QB has to be Steve Pelluer. He passed for 60 yards per game in 1989.

Steron
09-21-2009, 01:48 PM
Bam Morris

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:50 PM
PR/KR Eddie Drummond

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:51 PM
why the fuck is Glen Dorsey on this list? Are people that fucking stupid?

cdcox
09-21-2009, 01:52 PM
TE: Ed Beckman - played for KC for 8 years, started 11 games and totaled 198 receiving yards with 1 TD over that time period. That's going to be tough to beat.

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:52 PM
P - Dan Strysinksi (sp?)

RJ
09-21-2009, 01:52 PM
On second thought, QB has to go to Todd Blackledge. He failed on so many levels.

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:53 PM
TE: Ed Beckman - played for KC for 8 years, started 11 games and totaled 198 receiving yards with 1 TD over that time period. That's going to be tough to beat.

Jesus.......we have a TE winner folks!

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-21-2009, 01:53 PM
TE: Ed Beckman - played for KC for 8 years, started 11 games and totaled 198 receiving yards with 1 TD over that time period. That's going to be tough to beat.

Who the fuck is Ed Beckman?

cdcox
09-21-2009, 01:54 PM
Craponzo Thorpe!!!!

Never started a single game. Doesn't qualify.

RJ
09-21-2009, 01:54 PM
TE: Ed Beckman - played for KC for 8 years, started 11 games and totaled 198 receiving yards with 1 TD over that time period. That's going to be tough to beat.


I have no memory of that player. Going unnoticed for 8 years is impressive.

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:54 PM
Shawn Barber LB!!!Remeber his goofy picture?ROFL

ROFL I saw him on a plane, Philly just resigned him (again) after his chiefs days and he flew into KC to sell his house. That team profile pic is the first thing that came to mind and I started laughing.

TheGuardian
09-21-2009, 01:55 PM
I don't know who is dumber, Hamas for putting Dorsey on here or the other idiot(s) who voted for him.

cdcox
09-21-2009, 01:55 PM
Who the **** is Ed Beckman?

He played for 8 years, 1977-1984. You youngsters have no idea how bad the Chiefs were in those days.

HemiEd
09-21-2009, 01:56 PM
Here is the worst QB to ever wear a Chief's uniform IMO. I still think they drafted him to try and sell tickets.

David Jaynes
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David Jaynes Position(s)
Quarterback Jersey #(s)
12

Born December 12, 1952 (1952-12-12) (age 56)
Kansas City, Kansas
Career information
Year(s) 1974–1974
NFL Draft 1974 / Round: 3 / Pick: 66
College Kansas
Professional teams
Kansas City Chiefs (1974)

Career stats
TD-INT 0-1
Yards 0
QB Rating 0.0
Stats at NFL.com
Career highlights and awards
No notable achievements

David Duane Jaynes (born December 12, 1952 in Kansas City, Kansas) is a former American football quarterback raised in Bonner Springs, Kansas. He was All-American for the University of Kansas in 1973.

During the early 1970s, Jaynes broke virtually every passing record in KU history. When he left KU, the he was No. 1 in passing, with 5,132 yards (later broken by Frank Seurer). Jaynes still holds the record for most career passing touchdowns, with 35. His most memorable game was in 1973 against Tennessee, when he completed 35 of 58 attempted passes for 394 yards. [1] In 1973 KU finished 7-4-1 and went to the Liberty Bowl. Jaynes finished fourth in the voting that year for the Heisman Trophy.

Jaynes was drafted in the third round (66th oveall) of the 1974 NFL Draft by the Kansas City Chiefs with whom he played two games that season. [3] He was also the first player selected in the inaugural World Football League by the Houston Texans, but never signed with them. [4]

In 2001, he married Cary Grant's widow, Barbara Harris



**oops** sorry, missed the part about starting three games.

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 01:56 PM
TE-Willie Scott 1st round bust.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-21-2009, 01:57 PM
I don't know who is dumber, Hamas for putting Dorsey on here or the other idiot(s) who voted for him.

You stupid fuck, I put up the people who are nominated and qualify. The group will decide who the worst is.

Go back to drawing up plays in the prison yard, Retardian.

Pitt Gorilla
09-21-2009, 01:57 PM
This list should be thick at WR.

Sean LaChappelle
Chris Penn
Danan Hughes
Kevin Lockett
Larry Parker
Chris Thomas
Eric Martin can't be considered, as he only started one game. But he was terrible.

Also,

DE Ty Parton
RB Bam Morris
DT Tom Barndt
LT Marcus Spears
RB Donnell Bennett
CB Pat Dennis
DT Eric Downing
LB Lew Bush
Mike Maslowski
Shaunard Harts

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 01:58 PM
This list should be thick at WR.

Sean LaChappelle
Chris Penn
Danan Hughes
Kevin Lockett
Larry Parker
Chris Thomas
Eric Martin can't be considered, as he only started one game. But he was terrible.

Also,

DE Ty Parton
RB Bam Morris
DT Tom Barndt
LT Marcus Spears
RB Donnell Bennett
CB Pat Dennis
DT Eric Downing
LB Lew Bush
Mike Maslowski
Shaunard Harts

ROFL Donnell Bennett fuckin sucked ass.

TheGuardian
09-21-2009, 01:59 PM
You stupid ****, I put up the people who are nominated and qualify. The group will decide who the worst is.

Go back to drawing up plays in the prison yard, Retardian.

There have been a hell of a lot of REAL busts at the defensive tackle position for the Chiefs.

thus far Dorsey would only qualify to an idiot.

And that's where you come into the picture.........

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 01:59 PM
MLB- PAT THOMAS!!!!!

Delano
09-21-2009, 02:00 PM
I don't know who is dumber, Hamas for putting Dorsey on here or the other idiot(s) who voted for him.

ROFL

The nomination was a joke and it will get sorted out in the voting process.

Settle down.

kysirsoze
09-21-2009, 02:00 PM
We need some of the old guys to weigh in with someone who played prior to the mid-nineties.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-21-2009, 02:02 PM
There have been a hell of a lot of REAL busts at the defensive tackle position for the Chiefs.

thus far Dorsey would only qualify to an idiot.

And that's where you come into the picture.........

I've been one of the most steadfast defenders of Dorsey on this site, but I will put up who is nominated. Why don't you floss between your three teeth with a used tampon string, check in with your parole officer, and get the fuck out of this thread, dipshit.

Pitt Gorilla
09-21-2009, 02:03 PM
Steve Bono was far from the worst QB the Chiefs have ever had. Trezelle and Nate only started one game apiece.Thanks for the catch. I could have sworn that both started more than that. It seemed like Nate was in the game all the time.

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 02:04 PM
QB-Pete Beathard

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 02:05 PM
ROFL

Man that is a sick defense. Look out World!!! I'm pretty sure Icebox from "the Little Giants" would run all over those guys.

Delano
09-21-2009, 02:06 PM
There have been a hell of a lot of REAL busts at the defensive tackle position for the Chiefs.

thus far Dorsey would only qualify to an idiot.

And that's where you come into the picture.........

...

KCtotheSB
09-21-2009, 02:07 PM
What...no Carlton Gray?

Groves
09-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Who's nickname was "Fred-Ex"?

TheGuardian
09-21-2009, 02:08 PM
I've been one of the most steadfast defenders of Dorsey on this site, but I will put up who is nominated. Why don't you floss between your three teeth with a used tampon string, check in with your parole officer, and get the **** out of this thread, dipshit.

Melt









Down

Delano
09-21-2009, 02:09 PM
The nominees are:

LDE: Turk McBride
NT: Junior Siavii, TheRetardian
3T: Ryan Sims, Glenn Dorsey
RDE: Eric Hicks

:clap:

bobbything
09-21-2009, 02:09 PM
Steve Bono and Elvis Grbac belong nowhere on that list. They are far from the worst QB's we've ever had. Both went to the Pro Bowl at some point in their Chiefs days. They shouldn't even receive nominations. Todd Blackledge should win that position going away. Mike Livingston was bad too, but I think he was an all-pro one year (maybe very, very early on).

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-21-2009, 02:10 PM
Melt









Down

Do the victory dance, Retardian:

http://i31.tinypic.com/2ykdhxv.jpg

Pitt Gorilla
09-21-2009, 02:10 PM
Bill Kenney and Steve Fuller were both pretty bad.

cdcox
09-21-2009, 02:11 PM
This list should be thick at WR.

Sean LaChappelle
Chris Penn
Danan Hughes
Kevin Lockett
Larry Parker
Chris Thomas


Jeff Webb started 3 games.

FishingRod
09-21-2009, 02:12 PM
James Hadnot,,
To this day I still just can't say it out loud without saying James Had-Not-Any-Running-Ability

Also Ethan Horton

cdcox
09-21-2009, 02:13 PM
Bill Kenney and Steve Fuller were both pretty bad.

Kenney doesn't belong at all. He has a career 77.0 QB rating and threw for 4200 yards 1 year. There are many other worthy candidates at QB but Kenney isn't one of them.

cdcox
09-21-2009, 02:16 PM
A lot of the recent players you guys are listing never started and are ineligible:

Carlton Gray
Junior Siavii

You can check starts at:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com

HemiEd
09-21-2009, 02:16 PM
Bill Kenney and Steve Fuller were both pretty bad.

Bill Kenney was not bad, compared to the rest of the talent on the team, he was a pro bowler. In fact, he threw for over 4300 yards one year.

He was the only bright spot on the team back then. :cuss:

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 02:17 PM
We had some bad running back situations in the past. At various points we had guys like Jewerl Thomas and James Hadnot and Billy Jackson.

I wish I could remember the wide receivers of that era. I think the best prospects are the most forgettable.

Anyone remember Dino Mangiero at nose tackle? He actually made Ken Kremer look good. We had some miniscule defensive end at the same time who couldn't have weighed 240 in a 3-4 - very odd decision. He couldn't hold the point of attack at all. Who was that? (And this was before Art Still did the nuts and berries thing.)

Oh! Did Jimbo Elrod start three games at MLB?

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 02:22 PM
WR-Devard Darling

LG-Bob Simmons (starting LG on Levy's 1978 4-12 team)

RB-Jeff Kinney 1st round bust. 3.6 ypc career average.

Rb-Ethan Horton

RB-Harvey Williams

Skip Towne
09-21-2009, 02:23 PM
Kenney doesn't belong at all. He has a career 77.0 QB rating and threw for 4200 yards 1 year. There are many other worthy candidates at QB but Kenney isn't one of them.

How about Jeff Kinney?

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 02:23 PM
We had some bad running back situations in the past. At various points we had guys like Jewerl Thomas and James Hadnot and Billy Jackson.

I wish I could remember the wide receivers of that era. I think the best prospects are the most forgettable.

Anyone remember Dino Mangiero at nose tackle? He actually made Ken Kremer look good. We had some miniscule defensive end at the same time who couldn't have weighed 240 in a 3-4 - very odd decision. He couldn't hold the point of attack at all. Who was that? (And this was before Art Still did the nuts and berries thing.)

Oh! Did Jimbo Elrod start three games at MLB?

The DE I think you were talking about was Whitney Paul

Skip Towne
09-21-2009, 02:25 PM
We had some bad running back situations in the past. At various points we had guys like Jewerl Thomas and James Hadnot and Billy Jackson.

I wish I could remember the wide receivers of that era. I think the best prospects are the most forgettable.

Anyone remember Dino Mangiero at nose tackle? He actually made Ken Kremer look good. We had some miniscule defensive end at the same time who couldn't have weighed 240 in a 3-4 - very odd decision. He couldn't hold the point of attack at all. Who was that? (And this was before Art Still did the nuts and berries thing.)

Oh! Did Jimbo Elrod start three games at MLB?

Whitney Paul?

Brock
09-21-2009, 02:25 PM
Bill Kenney was not bad, compared to the rest of the talent on the team, he was a pro bowler. In fact, he threw for over 4300 yards one year.

He was the only bright spot on the team back then. :cuss:

Kenney was a great garbage time player.

Brock
09-21-2009, 02:26 PM
Melt

Down

Any thoughts on the topic?

Sofa King
09-21-2009, 02:27 PM
Percy Snow...LBer..

Junior Siavii DT

Kris Wilson TE

Boomer Grigsby FB, LB

Turk McBride DE



i didnt see a couple of these guys on the list... they were/are terrible..

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 02:31 PM
LDT-Willie Lee

RDT-Keith Simons

DTs for 1977 2-12 chiefs

Chiefnj2
09-21-2009, 02:31 PM
To be the worst you should have to be a high draft pick or coveted free agent who flopped. Warfield was a 7th round converted safety. He did very well based upon his circumstances.

cdcox
09-21-2009, 02:32 PM
We had some bad running back situations in the past. At various points we had guys like Jewerl Thomas and James Hadnot and Billy Jackson.

I wish I could remember the wide receivers of that era. I think the best prospects are the most forgettable.

Anyone remember Dino Mangiero at nose tackle? He actually made Ken Kremer look good. We had some miniscule defensive end at the same time who couldn't have weighed 240 in a 3-4 - very odd decision. He couldn't hold the point of attack at all. Who was that? (And this was before Art Still did the nuts and berries thing.)

Oh! Did Jimbo Elrod start three games at MLB?

Yes on Jimbo!

these are some great names.

When I get home and can check my ESPN football encyclopedia I should be able to come up with some gems on the OL and DL. I'll find your 240 lb DE.

MVChiefFan
09-21-2009, 02:34 PM
We had some bad running back situations in the past. At various points we had guys like Jewerl Thomas and James Hadnot and Billy Jackson.

I wish I could remember the wide receivers of that era. I think the best prospects are the most forgettable.

Anyone remember Dino Mangiero at nose tackle? He actually made Ken Kremer look good. We had some miniscule defensive end at the same time who couldn't have weighed 240 in a 3-4 - very odd decision. He couldn't hold the point of attack at all. Who was that? (And this was before Art Still did the nuts and berries thing.)

Oh! Did Jimbo Elrod start three games at MLB?


Now see, this is what I'm talking about. People I've never really heard of. Some of the players in this thread weren't really all that bad. But these guys...WOW!

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 02:34 PM
LOLB Thomas Howard

KCChiefsMan
09-21-2009, 02:47 PM
Trezelle Jenkins
Lake Dawson

both should be added

KCChiefsMan
09-21-2009, 02:48 PM
To be the worst you should have to be a high draft pick or coveted free agent who flopped. Warfield was a 7th round converted safety. He did very well based upon his circumstances.

we wouldn't even be talking about warfield if carl hadn't signed him to a huge deal

cdcox
09-21-2009, 02:48 PM
How about Jeff Kinney?

Fantastic suggestion, but only started 2 games for KC.

Norman Einstein
09-21-2009, 02:50 PM
I'd much rather concentrate on the best. I do agree over the past 10 years there has been plenty to choose from, but don't forget the years they sucked before Marty showed up.

HemiEd
09-21-2009, 02:54 PM
Kenney was a great garbage time player.

He did a pretty good job of getting the ball to Carlos Carson and Henry Marshall.

They drafted Blackledge to replace him, but he couldn't.

If they would have let him actually play in the 2nd half of the last game (garbage time) he would have broken the yards per season passing record.

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 03:04 PM
G Tom Condon

G Brad Budde

L.A. Chieffan
09-21-2009, 03:14 PM
i know siavii didnt start 3 games and that is precisely why he should be listed.

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 03:30 PM
i know siavii didnt start 3 games and that is precisely why he should be listed.

I couldnt believe it when we drafted that bum. 5th or 6th rd project drafted in the 2nd rd.

JohnnyV13
09-21-2009, 03:34 PM
G-Rod Walters (the 1976 version of Trezelle Jenkins)

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 04:03 PM
Whitney Paul?


Bingo! That's him!

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 04:04 PM
The DE I think you were talking about was Whitney Paul


Oh. You beat Skip to the punch. Bingo to you, too.

Stewie
09-21-2009, 04:07 PM
G Tom Condon

G Brad Budde

Ditto on Brad Budde. He was playing only because of his last name. His own teammates made fun of him after he quit - he was that bad.

Stewie
09-21-2009, 04:11 PM
I'm not sure why Bill Kenney is on the list. The guy put up amazing numbers during the dark days. The team around him was atrocious.

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 04:11 PM
How about Scott Radecic at ILB? I think he was a first-day pick who started for a year or two. We had some second-round pick at strong safety for a couple of years after Lloyd Burruss who disappeared in the night, too.

Robb Thomas was a receiver who was marginally productive, but got hurt on the turf more often than Ed McCaffrey. He annoyed me.

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 04:12 PM
Ditto on Brad Budde. He was playing only because of his last name. His own teammates made fun of him after he quit - he was that bad.

Brad Budde put Howie Long in the Hall of Fame, and deserves to be on the list for that reason alone.

Pitt Gorilla
09-21-2009, 05:03 PM
How is Niswanger beating out Jeff "Holding, number 65, offense" Smith? Seriously.

Simply Red
09-21-2009, 06:12 PM
In honor of Rainman's various collections of individuals, both hero and scoundrel, I figured that we should establish who the worst Chiefs of all time were, taking into account only play on the field.

Requirements: 1 player per position.

Offense: LT,LG,C,RG,RT,WR1,WR2,TE,HB,FB,QB
Defense: RDE, NT, 3T, LDE, WLB, MLB, SLB, RCB, LCB, FS, SS

ST:1 KR, 1, P, 1 PR, 1 K, 1 LS, 1 KOS.

Rules: They must have started a minimum of three games for the Chiefs, with the exception of KOS and LS.

Nominations will be taken for two days, wherein a poll of choices will be presented, and the Herman Edwards Memorial All-Time Toilet Bowl Chiefs will be crowned.

Please provide reasoning for your nomination. Illustrate specific failures when necessary, and if possible.

The nominees are:

LT: Jordan Black, G-Rod Walters
LG: Bob Simmons, Tom Condon
C: Rudy Niswanger, Jeff Smith
RG: Adrian Jones, Brad Budde
RT: Kyle Turley, Kevin Sampson, Chris Terry, Chris Bober.
HB: Mike Cloud, Rashaan Shehee, Paul Palmer, Greg Hill, Bam Morris, Donnell Bennett, Ethan Horton, James Hadnot, Jewerl Thomas, Billy Jackson
FB: Boomer Grigsby, Ronnie Cruz
WR: Snoop Minnis, Samie Parker, Danan Hughes, Kevin Lockett, Larry Parker, Chris Thomas, Robb Thomas,
WR: Sean LaChappelle, Chris Horn, Chris Penn, Jeff Webb, Devard Darling, Lake Dawson
TE: Ed Beckman, Willie Scott, Kris Wilson
QB: Todd Blackledge, Elvis Grbac, Steve Pueller, Steve Bono, Tyler Thigpen, Pete Beathard, Bill Kenney, Steve Fuller

LDE: Turk McBride, Whitney Paul
NT: TheRetardian, Dino Mangiero, Ken Kremer
3T: Ryan Sims, Glenn Dorsey
RDE: Eric Hicks
WLB: Lew Bush, Shawn Barber
MLB: Kendrell Bell, Mike Maslowski, Pat Thomas, Jimbo Elrod, Scott Radecic
SLB: Glen Cadrez, Thomas Howard
RCB: Eric Warfield, Dexter McLeon
FS: Shaunard Harts
SS: Charles Mincy, Bernard Pollard
LCB: William Burntee

K: He who shall not be named
P: Dan Stryzinski
KR: Eddie Drummond
PR: Eddie Drummond
LS: Ed Perry
KOS: John Baker

Dan Stryzinski Matre 'd at Gates N Sons BBQ?

RippedmyFlesh
09-21-2009, 06:48 PM
Steve Bono was far from the worst QB the Chiefs have ever had. Trezelle and Nate only started one game apiece.
sad to say he might be a top 5 best actually.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-21-2009, 06:50 PM
sad to say he might be a top 5 best actually.

ROFL ROFL

It's fucking sad, but an argument could be made.

LMAO

tonyetony
09-21-2009, 06:50 PM
He who shall not be named just irks the living shit out of me. What a gutless turd.

RippedmyFlesh
09-21-2009, 06:52 PM
No hate for macintosh?

cdcox
09-21-2009, 07:11 PM
I've got a winner at WR.

Dennis Homan, Played for KC in 1971 and 1972. He's listed at the starter in 1972 in the ESPN Pro-Football Encyclopedia. His stats for the year:

12 receptions for 135 yards and 1 TD.

Other names that caught my eye were Barry Pearson (1975) and Pete Mandley (1989), but they were superstars incomparison to Mr. Homan.

RJ
09-21-2009, 07:15 PM
ROFL ROFL

It's ****ing sad, but an argument could be made.

LMAO


Dang....that's really true. A very good argument. Wow.

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 07:15 PM
Hey, cdcox or other grizzled veterans, what's the truth about Elmo Wright? As a kid, I thought it was really cool that he did that gogo thing when he scored, but as an adult I've always wondered if perhaps he didn't do that gogo thing very often.

Jason Baker was an underachieving punter, though I think he's still in the league somewhere. We went through a spate of them a few years back - Steve Cheek, Baker, and someone else I don't recall.

Here's one for you. Zenon Andrushyn, though I may be spelling it wrong. I vaguely remember that he was there for a year between Stenerud and Lowery, and the great hope was that he was a world-beating guy who could be both our kicker and our punter. It seemed like a great idea, but it didn't work.

Jitter Fields as a return guy.

HMc
09-21-2009, 07:23 PM
As if Croyle is any better than Bono.

cdcox
09-21-2009, 07:24 PM
Some names not yet considered on the OL:

George Daney RG 1974
Tom Baugh C 1987-1988

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 07:27 PM
I thought about Baugh, but I think he was a workmanlike center for the Cardinals before coming to us, so unless he was out of gas I'm not sure he'd qualify. (Of course, we've had good centers for most of our history, so maybe he would.)

I had no idea Daney was that late. I always thought he was a 60s guy. I think he was the guy who wore red shoes, right?


Ooh! Ooh! How about Marcus Spears at tackle?

RJ
09-21-2009, 07:28 PM
This thread got me paging through pro-football reference, looking at Chiefs stats from the 70's. Some good and bad memories there. Anyone remember Elmo Wright? I remember the name but nothing else. Anyway, this former Chief is credited with being the father of the end zone dance when he was a college player for Houston. I had no idea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/13/sports/ncaafootball/13wright.ready.html

Not much of an NFL career, but he did have a fine YPC average.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigEl00.htm


Not a nomination, just some interesting Chiefs trivia.

RJ
09-21-2009, 07:29 PM
Hey, cdcox or other grizzled veterans, what's the truth about Elmo Wright? As a kid, I thought it was really cool that he did that gogo thing when he scored, but as an adult I've always wondered if perhaps he didn't do that gogo thing very often.

Jason Baker was an underachieving punter, though I think he's still in the league somewhere. We went through a spate of them a few years back - Steve Cheek, Baker, and someone else I don't recall.

Here's one for you. Zenon Andrushyn, though I may be spelling it wrong. I vaguely remember that he was there for a year between Stenerud and Lowery, and the great hope was that he was a world-beating guy who could be both our kicker and our punter. It seemed like a great idea, but it didn't work.

Jitter Fields as a return guy.



Great minds and such, see previous post.

cdcox
09-21-2009, 07:34 PM
Hey, cdcox or other grizzled veterans, what's the truth about Elmo Wright? As a kid, I thought it was really cool that he did that gogo thing when he scored, but as an adult I've always wondered if perhaps he didn't do that gogo thing very often.

Jason Baker was an underachieving punter, though I think he's still in the league somewhere. We went through a spate of them a few years back - Steve Cheek, Baker, and someone else I don't recall.

Here's one for you. Zenon Andrushyn, though I may be spelling it wrong. I vaguely remember that he was there for a year between Stenerud and Lowery, and the great hope was that he was a world-beating guy who could be both our kicker and our punter. It seemed like a great idea, but it didn't work.

Jitter Fields as a return guy.

Elmo Wright did the the jazzy legs exactly 6 times in his career. Had a promising rookie year and never followed it up. He was a hero of mine, too. But as a kid I was convinced that every player the Chiefs had were solid players if not borderline pro-bowlers. I just couldn't figure out why they couldn't win with those all-star rosters.

Zenon Andrusyshyn only punted for us in 1978. (No place kicking). He punted pretty good to, with a 41.1 net average, sixth in the league. Bob Grupp took over the punting duties the next year. Wonder why he didn't stick somewhere else?

KCChiefsFan88
09-21-2009, 07:39 PM
I'd put Dave Krieg on that list for the Chiefs pathetic 17-0 playoff performance against San Diego.

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 07:45 PM
That is a good net average. I remember at the time that it was well known that the Zenon experiment was a failure, but it still seems like a good punter is worth keeping. Maybe they decided he was just a punter and that Grupp was a better punter. Grupp made a pro bowl one year if I remember right, so maybe he just beat Zenon for the punter job.

cdcox
09-21-2009, 07:48 PM
Grupp averaged 43.6 the next year, then fell apart.

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 07:50 PM
Elmo Wright did the the jazzy legs exactly 6 times in his career. Had a promising rookie year and never followed it up. He was a hero of mine, too. But as a kid I was convinced that every player the Chiefs had were solid players if not borderline pro-bowlers. I just couldn't figure out why they couldn't win with those all-star rosters.

Zenon Andrusyshyn only punted for us in 1978. (No place kicking). He punted pretty good to, with a 41.1 net average, sixth in the league. Bob Grupp took over the punting duties the next year. Wonder why he didn't stick somewhere else?


Slightly off topic, but as a kid I envisioned that the Chiefs roster was filled pretty much the same way my school filled out recreational teams. You just showed up and signed up. I was determined that once I became an adult I would show up early enough to get a roster spot. Right there in line next to Buck Buchanan and Willie Lanier.

And oddly, it might have produced superior teams these last couple of years and Haley appears to have considered it.

Rain Man
09-21-2009, 07:54 PM
I think I found Zenon's problem. He only punted well in even-numbered games.

I don't know why, but I find this hilarious. In 8 even-numbered games, he averaged over 40 yards every game but one. In 8 odd-numbered games, he only averaged over 40 yards once. In odd-numbered games he averaged 37.8 yards per punt (and had one blocked), and in even numbered games he averaged 45.0 yards per punt.

http://www.nfl.com/players/zenonandrusyshyn/gamelogs?id=AND820449


WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Punts Yds Net Yds Lng Avg Net Avg Blk OOB Dn IN 20 TB FC Ret RetY TD

1 09/03 @ CIN W 24-23 1 -- 5 181 -- 53 36.2 -- 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2 09/10 HOU L 17-20 1 -- 3 134 -- 50 44.7 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
3 09/17 @ NYG L 10-26 1 -- 7 250 -- 45 35.7 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
4 09/24 DEN L 17-23 1 -- 4 197 -- 56 49.3 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
5 10/01 @ BUF L 13-28 1 -- 5 189 -- 48 37.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
6 10/08 TB L 13-30 1 -- 6 290 -- 60 48.3 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
7 10/15 @ OAK L 6-28 1 -- 7 273 -- 47 39.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
8 10/22 CLE W 17-3 1 -- 7 306 -- 56 43.7 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
9 10/29 @ PIT L 24-27 1 -- 4 155 -- 55 38.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
10 11/05 OAK L 10-20 1 -- 5 264 -- 61 52.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
11 11/12 @ SD L 23-29 1 -- 5 191 -- 45 38.2 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
12 11/19 SEA L 10-13 1 -- 5 201 -- 53 40.2 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
13 11/26 SD W 23-0 1 -- 4 142 -- 40 35.5 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
14 12/03 BUF W 14-10 1 -- 2 54 -- 31 27.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
15 12/10 @ DEN L 3-24 1 -- 6 245 -- 49 40.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
16 12/17 @ SEA L 19-23 1 -- 4 175 -- 53 43.8 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 16 0 79 3,247 0 61 41.1 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

cdcox
09-21-2009, 08:11 PM
Ken Jolly LB 1985
Jerry Reese SS 1979

chefsos
09-21-2009, 08:20 PM
I was poking around, looking for pictures or clips of Elmo Wright and found none.

But then there was this. How many guys have a racing dog named after them? There are three races in this clip, and [spoiler alert!] Elmo Wright wins 'em all.

But screw all that. Just fast forward to the end of the last race and listen to the announcer. I lol'd.

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cdcox
09-21-2009, 08:23 PM
I was poking around, looking for pictures or clips of Elmo Wright and found none.

But then there was this. How many guys have a racing dog named after them? There are three races in this clip, and [spoiler alert!] Elmo Wright wins 'em all.

But screw all that. Just fast forward to the end of the last race and listen to the announcer. I lol'd.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SpUifW-fv9M&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SpUifW-fv9M&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Heh, I found that same video a few minutes ago when I was looking for Elmo Wright on Youtube.

Over-Head
09-21-2009, 08:41 PM
Didn't read em all, but has Chester "The Hump" McGlocton made the hall of losers?:spock:

chefsos
09-21-2009, 08:53 PM
Heh, I found that same video a few minutes ago when I was looking for Elmo Wright on Youtube.

There are tons of "Greatest TD Dance" type vids there too, but it's all Chad Johnson, TO, etc. I guess Elmo, Homer Jones and Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, the George Washington, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson of the TD Celebratory Revolution I dare say, are long forgotten. It's a damn shame.

Or maybe the video's hard to find, too. Could be that...

chefsos
09-21-2009, 08:57 PM
Didn't read em all, but has Chester "The Hump" McGlocton made the hall of losers?:spock:

Now THAT'S a good pull. He wasn't bad wearing your atrocious gear, but sucked hard in KC.

Drew
09-21-2009, 09:06 PM
Bill Kenney and Steve Fuller were both pretty bad.
I disagree on Kenney. put up decent #s over the years. pro bowl too

Drew
09-21-2009, 09:35 PM
Anthony Hancock
Kelly Goodburn
Jim Arnold-before he went to detroit and became a pro bowler
Ted Mcnight
Sylvester Morris
Theotis Brown
Mike Pruitt
Lewis Colbert
Pete Koch-brilliant in heartbreak ridge!
Jonathan Hayes
Alfredo Roberts
Tim Barnett
cant forget Lonnie Marts
and the coup de grace: Jon Baker barefoot kickoff specialist who blew the raider game in 99 with multiple kicks out of bounds including ot. barefoot in january? me thinks not.