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googlegoogle
09-21-2009, 02:24 PM
Metro sports post game analysis : Said our WR's aren't getting open down the field. This included Bowe.

Rich Baldinger

CoMoChief
09-21-2009, 02:27 PM
Well Dick Baldcock doesn't know shit

Micjones
09-21-2009, 02:29 PM
Not sure this is entirely true.
There were several opportunities where he had open targets.
The pressure often kept him from locating them, but WR's were getting open.

Brock
09-21-2009, 02:29 PM
Wow, no shit?

Deberg_1990
09-21-2009, 02:31 PM
How did Cassel throw for 241 yards if nobody got open?

Bane
09-21-2009, 02:32 PM
Well Dick Baldcock doesn't know shit
Holy shit ROFL

keg in kc
09-21-2009, 02:34 PM
Bowe's currently the recipient of all the bracket coverage formerly given to Gonzalez. He's working hard for everything he's getting right now (9 for 96 yards and 2 TDs). I think more will open up for him if Wade continues to play well and the qbs continue to spread the ball around. Although part of the problem is blocking; just like QBs need time to throw, receivers generally need time to get open. I'm not sure how many deep balls we're going to see.

jidar
09-21-2009, 03:23 PM
I wonder. That's not something you can reliably determine unless you're at the game and I wasn't there. Most of us sitting at home simply don't get to see the angles well enough to judge that.

googlegoogle
09-21-2009, 04:12 PM
I wonder. That's not something you can reliably determine unless you're at the game and I wasn't there. Most of us sitting at home simply don't get to see the angles well enough to judge that.

Thats right. Tv morons never show us the secondary coverages.

DA_T_84
09-21-2009, 04:23 PM
I was at the game, and up high as well. I had a great view of the field:

I hate oakland, and believe they are an awful team. That's why it hurt even more to watch how pitiful it was to see their DB's draped all over our receivers. Especially when, after the game, I learned that Assmouthgape sat out for most of the second half.

The ONLY time I saw a WR wide open was when Cassel rolled out as the pocket collapsed, and then rolled back across the field. He chose a closer target rather than launch the deep ball. IMO, this was a missed opportunity, but the dude was running for his life at the time, so I will overlook it.

Bowe's TD was a PERFECTLY thrown ball, and for that matter, play in general. Bowe was wearing his CB like a jacket, and the ball was just far enough in front of Bowe to allow him to use his freakish size to dive and snag it.

Wade got his separation, and thus the ball, when the ball hit him RIGHT after he would take his route's cut. Obviously, this is the best time to have that happen. My point is that, a better WR would shake or beat his CB/LB on his initial steps, prior to making his second move or cut. If that happens, the second move should allow for oh, three or four yards of space? Then he gets the ball, and his YAC. From what I saw, this wasn't happening at all from anyone. Honestly.

Ryan is our best option at TE as far as passing goes. Thats not saying much.

Cox needs more focus.

If Charles is in that game, our screens and flat routes dramatically change the landscape of the game. They would have to have accounted for his speed and assigned a LB to him. It would have opened up some draws for LJ, or hell, i would have even liked to see a flea flicker develop. But God knows we don't have the speed at WR or the time with our OL.

Sorry for rambling, but my point is that yes. Our WR did not/do not get separation down field.

DA_T_84
09-21-2009, 04:25 PM
Thats right. Tv morons never show us the secondary coverages.

Well, sometimes they do. But you only get to see what effing Randy Cross or some other jackass prognosticator wants you to see.

And even then, its only on the bigger plays or when someone gets injured or something. You don't get to see the game develop the same way, on every single play.

Micjones
09-21-2009, 04:27 PM
I was at the game, and up high as well. I had a great view of the field:

I hate oakland, and believe they are an awful team. That's why it hurt even more to watch how pitiful it was to see their DB's draped all over our receivers. Especially when, after the game, I learned that Assmouthgape sat out for most of the second half.

The ONLY time I saw a WR wide open was when Cassel rolled out as the pocket collapsed, and then rolled back across the field. He chose a closer target rather than launch the deep ball. IMO, this was a missed opportunity, but the dude was running for his life at the time, so I will overlook it.

Bowe's TD was a PERFECTLY thrown ball, and for that matter, play in general. Bowe was wearing his CB like a jacket, and the ball was just far enough in front of Bowe to allow him to use his freakish size to dive and snag it.

Wade got his separation, and thus the ball, when the ball hit him RIGHT after he would take his route's cut. Obviously, this is the best time to have that happen. My point is that, a better WR would shake or beat his CB/LB on his initial steps, prior to making his second move or cut. If that happens, the second move should allow for oh, three or four yards of space? Then he gets the ball, and his YAC. From what I saw, this wasn't happening at all from anyone. Honestly.

Ryan is our best option at TE as far as passing goes. Thats not saying much.

Cox needs more focus.

If Charles is in that game, our screens and flat routes dramatically change the landscape of the game. They would have to have accounted for his speed and assigned a LB to him. It would have opened up some draws for LJ, or hell, i would have even liked to see a flea flicker develop. But God knows we don't have the speed at WR or the time with our OL.

Sorry for rambling, but my point is that yes. Our WR did not/do not get separation down field.

Are "separation" and "wide open" synonymous NFL terms?

Micjones
09-21-2009, 04:31 PM
Bowe's currently the recipient of all the bracket coverage formerly given to Gonzalez. He's working hard for everything he's getting right now (9 for 96 yards and 2 TDs).

Exactly.
Wade and Bradley are going to have to continue to figure in prominently to create opportunities for him.

If you can keep getting 70 yards per game out of your #2 (as has been the case EACH of the last 2 weeks) he's got a shot.

DA_T_84
09-21-2009, 04:42 PM
Are "separation" and "wide open" synonymous NFL terms?

For the most part, yes. But not entirely. I would say "separation" and "open" are synonymous NFL terms.

"Wide Open" at least when I use it, means a complete lapse of coverage.


For the sake of my observation:

Separation: 2 or 3 steps on your coverage

Open: 2 or three yards on your coverage

Wide Open: 5 yards or more on your coverage.

DA_T_84
09-21-2009, 04:44 PM
We won't spend early picks on a WR, but I would kill for a Jordan Shipley type of guy. Or Dez from OSU, as he is a good mix of speed and size.

DaWolf
09-21-2009, 04:56 PM
This is kinda why I was hoping Lelie would stick because he at least has speed, but yeah. It's going to be a struggle at wideout this year...

Micjones
09-21-2009, 04:57 PM
For the most part, yes. But not entirely. I would say "separation" and "open" are synonymous NFL terms.

"Wide Open" at least when I use it, means a complete lapse of coverage.

That was kinda what I was trying to say.
I'm not sure WR's are "wide open" very often.
So if that's the word you meant to use I'm not sure the fact that the Chiefs WR's weren't is an indictment.

KevB
09-21-2009, 04:57 PM
The thing about Bowe is that he's not going to get wide open very often. He doesn't have the quickness or deep speed to do so. On the other hand, the guy is a freak with his size, so there are times when our QB will need to trust that he can beat the DB in getting to a ball and making a catch. He's shown that ability, especially on several balls this year.

Coogs
09-21-2009, 05:04 PM
But God knows we don't have the speed at WR or the time with our OL.

Sorry for rambling, but my point is that yes. Our WR did not/do not get separation down field.

This would be where we could hope Long gets activated to the active roster pretty soon. He should be familiar with the Haley system from last year, and if he is as fast as they say he is, could be the guy in the slot to break things wide open.

CaliforniaChief
09-21-2009, 05:05 PM
Calling LSU...calling LSU....send us your best WR.

Count Zarth
09-21-2009, 05:07 PM
Haley's fault.

Count Zarth
09-21-2009, 05:07 PM
How did Cassel throw for 241 yards if nobody got open?

Pure luck. Had nothing to do with the playcalling.

DaWolf
09-21-2009, 05:09 PM
The thing about Bowe is that he's not going to get wide open very often. He doesn't have the quickness or deep speed to do so. On the other hand, the guy is a freak with his size, so there are times when our QB will need to trust that he can beat the DB in getting to a ball and making a catch. He's shown that ability, especially on several balls this year.

This is why this team will not be successful if it cannot run the ball. We have to be able to run so that we can utilize some play action passing and get some guys open. Passing the ball this year is going to take a lot of planning and effort, we're not going to be able to physically beat guys off the line...

CaliforniaChief
09-21-2009, 05:10 PM
How did Cassel throw for 241 yards if nobody got open?

It was magic. Arrowhead magic.

Time to throw is the key, folks. Even Oakland's WR's can get open if you give them 20 seconds a play. If Cassel ever gets the kind of time to throw that Trent Green had, he'll light up the NFL.

DA_T_84
09-21-2009, 05:24 PM
If Cassel ever gets the kind of time to throw that Trent Green had, he'll light up the NFL.

QFT. It all boils down to our line. Hopefully Cassel isn't too old by the time we get it together in the trenches.

googlegoogle
09-21-2009, 06:43 PM
Bowe = Michael irvin?

MahiMike
09-21-2009, 07:05 PM
Well I for one was just thinking about starting a thread about how much I like our WR's now. I hold to the fact that by the end of the year, Cassel will routinely be throwing 300 yd games every week. I'd be ok with this crew. Wade is our Welker and Bowe is our Moss.

Skip Towne
09-21-2009, 07:22 PM
We won't spend early picks on a WR, but I would kill for a Jordan Shipley type of guy. Or Dez from OSU, as he is a good mix of speed and size.

KU's Dez is bigger than OSU's.

DA_T_84
09-21-2009, 07:29 PM
KU's Dez is bigger than OSU's.

And he could also describe the taste of penis/semen with a much more knowing frame of reference.

TEX
09-22-2009, 08:11 AM
No Gonzo - No Open Wr's.
No Protection - No Open Wr's

Brock
09-22-2009, 08:29 AM
And he could also describe the taste of penis/semen with a much more knowing frame of reference.

Speaking from experience, huh?

Micjones
09-22-2009, 08:43 AM
Well I for one was just thinking about starting a thread about how much I like our WR's now. I hold to the fact that by the end of the year, Cassel will routinely be throwing 300 yd games every week. I'd be ok with this crew. Wade is our Welker and Bowe is our Moss.

Wade did seem on Sunday to be a lot like Welker...
Intermediate pass catcher, not afraid to go over the middle, move the chains type guy.

He's going to take some pressure off of Bowe if he keeps playing well.
They need to be sure to work Bradley in though because he's the one WR we have that can really stretch the defense.

Chiefnj2
09-22-2009, 08:49 AM
Bradley has almost a 20 yard average in his first game and then doesn't play in the second game?

Per Gretz, Bowe didn't play the entire first series against the Raiders.

You have to question some of the crap Haley is doing under the guise of motivation.

htismaqe
09-22-2009, 10:12 AM
Bradley has almost a 20 yard average in his first game and then doesn't play in the second game?

Per Gretz, Bowe didn't play the entire first series against the Raiders.

You have to question some of the crap Haley is doing under the guise of motivation.

How do we know it has anything to do with motivation?

Micjones
09-22-2009, 10:54 AM
We don't, but please don't stand in the way of panic and despair.