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HonestChieffan
09-23-2009, 12:53 PM
The UN loves Barack Obama because he is weak
It is not hard to see why a standing ovation awaits Barack Obama when he addresses the United Nations General Assembly today, writes Nile Gardiner.

By Nile Gardiner
Published: 8:34AM BST 23 Sep 2009



Barack Obama’s Gallup approval rating of 52 percent may well be lower at this stage of his presidency than any US leader in recent times with the exception of Bill Clinton. But he is still worshipped with messiah-like adoration at the United Nations, and is considerably more popular with many of the 192 members of the UN than he is with the American people.

The latest Pew Global Attitudes Survey of international confidence in Obama’s leadership on foreign affairs shows strikingly high approval levels for the president in many parts of the world – 94 percent in Kenya, 93 percent in Germany, 88 percent in Canada and Nigeria, 77 percent in India, 76 percent in Brazil, 71 percent in Indonesia, and 62 percent in China for example. The Pew survey of 21 countries reveals an average level of 71 percent support for President Obama, compared to just 17 percent for George W. Bush in 2008.

As the figures indicate, Barack Obama is highly likely to receive a warm reception when he addresses the United Nations General Assembly today, whereas his predecessor in the White House was greeted with undisguised contempt and stony silence.

It is not hard to see why a standing ovation awaits the president at Turtle Bay. Obama’s popularity at the UN boils down essentially to his willingness to downplay American global power. He is the first American president who has made an art form out of apologizing for the United States, which he has done on numerous occasions on foreign soil, from Strasbourg to Cairo. The Obama mantra appears to be – ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do to atone for your country. This is a message that goes down very well in a world that is still seething with anti-Americanism.

It is natural that much of the UN will embrace an American president who declines to offer strong American leadership. A president who engages dictators like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez will naturally gain respect from the leaders of the more than 100 members of the United Nations who are currently designated as “partly free” or “not free” by respected watchdog Freedom House.

The UN is not a club of democracies - who still remain a minority within its membership – it is a vast melting pot of free societies, socialist regimes and outright tyrannies. Obama’s clear lack of interest in human rights issues is a big seller at the UN, where at least half its members have poor human rights records.

The president scores highly at the UN for refusing to project American values and military might on the world stage, with rare exceptions like the war against the Taliban. His appeasement of Iran, his bullying of Israel, his surrender to Moscow, his call for a nuclear free world, his siding with Marxists in Honduras, his talk of a climate change deal, have all won him plaudits in the large number of UN member states where US foreign policy has traditionally been viewed with contempt.

Simply put, Barack Obama is loved at the UN because he largely fails to advance real American leadership. This is a dangerous strategy of decline that will weaken US power and make her far more vulnerable to attack.

As we saw last week with his shameful surrender to Moscow over missile defence, the president is perfectly happy to undermine America’s allies and gut its strategic defences while currying favour with enemies and strategic competitors. The missile defence debacle is rightly viewed as a betrayal by the Poles and the Czechs, and Washington has clearly give the impression that it cares little about those who have bravely stood shoulder to shoulder with their US allies in Iraq, Afghanistan and the wider war on terror.

The Obama administration is now overseeing and implementing the biggest decline in American global power since Jimmy Carter. Unfortunately it may well take another generation for the United States to recover.

Nile Gardiner is the Director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation.

mlyonsd
09-23-2009, 01:00 PM
It is not hard to see why a standing ovation awaits the president at Turtle Bay. Obama’s popularity at the UN boils down essentially to his willingness to downplay American global power. He is the first American president who has made an art form out of apologizing for the United States, which he has done on numerous occasions on foreign soil, from Strasbourg to Cairo. The Obama mantra appears to be – ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do to atone for your country. This is a message that goes down very well in a world that is still seething with anti-Americanism.

It is natural that much of the UN will embrace an American president who declines to offer strong American leadership. A president who engages dictators like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez will naturally gain respect from the leaders of the more than 100 members of the United Nations who are currently designated as “partly free” or “not free” by respected watchdog Freedom House.



Ouch.

BigRedChief
09-23-2009, 03:40 PM
A non profit, non partisan agency revealed new poll numbers of a massive polls months in the making.

Obama has the support of 77% of Europe.
http://www.transatlantictrends.org/trends/pressinfo.html

KC Dan
09-23-2009, 03:55 PM
A non profit, non partisan agency revealed new poll numbers of a massive polls months in the making.

Obama has the support of 77% of Europe.
http://www.transatlantictrends.org/trends/pressinfo.html Good, deport him to Europe and he can be their Dear Euro Leader

Brock
09-23-2009, 03:57 PM
A non profit, non partisan agency revealed new poll numbers of a massive polls months in the making.

Obama has the support of 77% of Europe.
http://www.transatlantictrends.org/trends/pressinfo.html

It doesn't seem to be working out for him here.

BigRedChief
09-23-2009, 04:06 PM
It doesn't seem to be working out for him here.A economy in recession. Spending money like a drunken sailor. Bailouts, two wars ongoing and yet still has a majority of support of Americans. Seems to be working over here too.

And have you looked at the polls for a Republican? Support for a Republican idea? Covers pretty bare there. People are just ticked off at all politicians right now.

Radar Chief
09-23-2009, 04:13 PM
A economy in recession. Spending money like a drunken sailor. Bailouts, two wars ongoing and yet still has a, rapidly dwindling, majority of support of Americans.

FYP.

Brock
09-23-2009, 04:37 PM
A economy in recession. Spending money like a drunken sailor. Bailouts, two wars ongoing and yet still has a majority of support of Americans. Seems to be working over here too.

And have you looked at the polls for a Republican? Support for a Republican idea? Covers pretty bare there. People are just ticked off at all politicians right now.

ROFL

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/september_2009/obama_approval_index_september_23_2009/249710-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_september_23_2009.jpg

mikey23545
09-23-2009, 05:00 PM
And Obama is only getting started....

orange
09-23-2009, 05:01 PM
Nile Gardiner is the Director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation.

I guess right-wing bitches whine more believably for you guys when they have a British accent.

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Saul Good
09-23-2009, 05:03 PM
Nile Gardiner is the Director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation.

I guess right-wing bitches whine more believably for you guys when they have a British accent.

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That's a much better trend. I'm sure Brock stands corrected.

orange
09-23-2009, 05:05 PM
That's a much better trend. I'm sure Brock stands corrected.

A fifteen point difference? He should.

Brock
09-23-2009, 05:08 PM
A fifteen point difference? He should.

I'm not going to argue with you over the accuracy of a poll. That's a stupid waste of time. If you have a problem with it, take it up with Rasmussen.

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 05:08 PM
A fifteen point difference? He should.

Either way, the direction is the same. If you drop an anvil out of a plane at 10,000 feet, and one observer says that it's at 50 feet off the ground and falling, and another observer says that it's at 60 feet off the ground and falling, does it really make a difference?

Even in the one you posted, he's gone from +44 to +9 in 8 months. At this clip, he'll be negative by the end of the year no matter how you slice it. For the record, Brock's graph was strongly approve and strongly disapprove, not overall approval.

orange
09-23-2009, 05:13 PM
Either way, the direction is the same.

Actually, it's flattened out over the last month or so. Just look at the shape - it's obvious (maybe even a little upward).

Why do you guys even bother? Do you think you're going to change anyone's mind?

I mean, what's the point of the daily torrent of negative commentaries - besides HCF getting paid by GOOGLE, that is?

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 05:16 PM
Why do you guys even bother? Do you think you're going to change anyone's mind?

Of course not. Nobody's minds are changing...unless, of course, you count those minds that have changed causing his approval numbers to drop from a +44 to a +9 in 8 months.

Brock
09-23-2009, 05:17 PM
Actually, it's flattened out over the last month or so. Just look at the shape - it's obvious (maybe even a little upward).

Why do you guys even bother? Do you think you're going to change anyone's mind?

I mean, what's the point of the daily torrent of negative commentaries - besides HCF getting paid by GOOGLE, that is?

I don't care about changing anyone's mind. BRC made some comment about how Obama has the support of the majority of American people, which is looking more and more like fantasy. That's all. What was the point of the last 8 years worth of negative commentaries posted here?

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 05:17 PM
Actually, it's flattened out over the last month or so. Just look at the shape - it's obvious (maybe even a little upward).

He's lost 3 points in the last 2 days according to your graph. He got a little bump from his TV appearances. Now, it's back to our normally scheduled downward trend, already in progress.

orange
09-23-2009, 05:18 PM
Every President goes through ups and downs - I'm not going to bother reposting their approval charts. You can find them among my previous posts.

A drop in the first year is SO customary they have a word to describe it - "honeymoon."

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Every President goes through ups and downs

Wake me when we get to the "ups" part.

orange
09-23-2009, 05:25 PM
He's lost 3 points in the last 2 days according to your graph. He got a little bump from his TV appearances. Now, it's back to our normally scheduled downward trend, already in progress.

You can't put too much credence in day-to-day moves. They just reflect which polls are included in that day's averages. Today's average doesn't include Pew, CNN, or Bloomberg which are much higher, for example. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Even Rasmussen has shown Obama up a tiny bit in each of their last two polls. (9/3 -4; 9/14 +0; 9/22 +1)

orange
09-23-2009, 05:26 PM
Wake me when we get to the "ups" part.

You'll see a big "up" when Healthcare Reform is signed.

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 05:27 PM
You can't put too much credence in day-to-day moves.

I don't. I put credence in the 8 month trend.

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 05:27 PM
You'll see a big "up" when Healthcare Reform is signed.

...holds breath.

BigRedChief
09-23-2009, 06:42 PM
ROFL

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/september_2009/obama_approval_index_september_23_2009/249710-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_september_23_2009.jpg
One poll? Try a little more than one. My point is that despite all the crap he's taking and the serious issues facing America. It's about as good as he can get.

RealClearPolitics Poll Averages

President Obama Job Approval

<TABLE class=data><TBODY><TR><TH class=noCenter>Poll</TH><TH>Date</TH><TH>Sample</TH><TH>Approve </TH><TH>Disapprove </TH><TH class=spread>Spread</TH></TR><TR class=rcpAvg><TD class=noCenter>RCP Average</TD><TD>9/12 - 9/22</TD><TD>--</TD><TD>51.6</TD><TD>42.2</TD><TD class=spread>+9.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=noCenter>Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx)</TD><TD>09/20 - 09/22</TD><TD>1547 A</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>41</TD><TD class=spread>+10</TD></TR><TR class=alt><TD class=noCenter>Rasmussen Reports (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history)</TD><TD>09/20 - 09/22</TD><TD>1500 LV</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>49</TD><TD class=spread>+1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=noCenter>NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/NBC_WSJ_Poll_090922.pdf)</TD><TD>09/17 - 09/20</TD><TD>1005 A</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>41</TD><TD class=spread>+10</TD></TR><TR class=alt><TD class=noCenter>FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/091709_poll.pdf)</TD><TD>09/15 - 09/16</TD><TD>900 RV</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>39</TD><TD class=spread>+15</TD></TR><TR><TD class=noCenter>Democracy Corps (D) (http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/dc10091609fq11web2.pdf)</TD><TD>09/12 - 09/16</TD><TD>1200 RV</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>41</TD><TD class=spread>+11</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

More Polling Data (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls) | Chart (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#chart) | News (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#news)

Brock
09-23-2009, 07:28 PM
The "crap he's taking"? From WHO? David Letterman?

KCTitus
09-23-2009, 07:34 PM
The "crap he's taking"? From WHO? David Letterman?

No.. Fox News...no, wait

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 07:38 PM
No.. Fox News...no, wait

Fox News is so biased that they have him with the highest approval rating of any poll. Bastards

KCTitus
09-23-2009, 07:41 PM
Fox News is so biased that they have him with the highest approval rating of any poll. Bastards

No, see, Faux News watchers are so stupid, they cant answer a poll question correctly.

Saul Good
09-23-2009, 07:43 PM
No, see, Faux News watchers are so stupid, they cant answer a poll question correctly.

What it didn't show was that 6% of the respondents said "Pat Buchanon".