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Lzen
09-23-2009, 07:51 PM
I have a 2005 Hyundai Sante Fe. It needs the front disc brakes replaced. So, I bought the brakes and went home to change them.

I loosened the lug nuts and jacked up the Sante Fe using my 2 ton hydraulic jack. Once up, I took off the lug nuts and attempted to remove the passenger side wheel. Nothing, it would no budge.

After wiggling it around awhile to no avail, I finally gave up on that side I tried the other side but still had the same exact problem.

I have driven cars for 22 years and never, not once, have I ever had this kind of problem. Is there something that I'm missing here?

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 07:53 PM
I have a 2005 Hyundai Sante Fe. It needs the front disc brakes replaced. So, I bought the brakes and went home to change them.

I loosened the lug nuts and jacked up the Sante Fe using my 2 ton hydraulic jack. Once up, I took off the lug nuts and attempted to remove the passenger side wheel. Nothing, it would no budge.

After wiggling it around awhile to no avail, I finally gave up on that side I tried the other side but still had the same exact problem.

I have driven cars for 22 years and never, not once, have I ever had this kind of problem. Is there something that I'm missing here?

nope the wheel is just stuck on. several ways to get it off. aluminum wheel or steel?

Pablo
09-23-2009, 07:53 PM
Hyundai Found yer problem.

Bah dum crash.

Brock
09-23-2009, 07:54 PM
IMO, You have a dissimilar metals reaction between the alloy wheels and the iron hub and they've become corroded together. Hit it with a BFH.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 07:56 PM
IMO, You have a dissimilar metals reaction between the alloy wheels and the iron hub and they've become corroded together. Hit it with a BFH.

the problem with a hammer is where to hit it. for a novice i would sit on the ground with the lugnuts off and kick the tire. you can really fuck up an aluminum wheel with a hammer

Brock
09-23-2009, 07:57 PM
the problem with a hammer is where to hit it. for a novice i would sit on the ground with the lugnuts off and kick the tire. you can really **** up an aluminum wheel with a hammer

Yeah, I'd use a short 2x4 as the thing to actually hit with the hammer. But you most likely have a better solution since this is your profession.

Skip Towne
09-23-2009, 07:58 PM
Yell at it and call it names.

Bowser
09-23-2009, 07:58 PM
Maybe too obvious of a question, but does the car have some sort of anti tire theft lock you haven't disabled?

Bacon Cheeseburger
09-23-2009, 07:59 PM
I had this problem with my wife's Camry last year, as Brock said it's because of the alloy wheels. I ended up soaking them with penetrating oil for several hours and then beat them off with a hammer and pry bar. Those son of bitches were stuck on so bad we'd have been screwed if we had a flat in the middle of nowhere. Now anytime I have the wheels off any of our vehicles I always put a coat of grease between the wheel and hub before I put them back on.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:01 PM
Yeah, I'd use a short 2x4 as the thing to actually hit with the hammer. But you most likely have a better solution since this is your profession.

i agree with you, i have no idea how mechanically inclined he is. if I said it and he totally ruined his $100+ dollar wheel...... you know the rest:D



Seriously kicking it should remove it.


at the shop i have an old splitting maul to use on those REAL tough ones. usually a 48 oz plastic deadblow to the inner lip does the trick

Skip Towne
09-23-2009, 08:01 PM
I've had this happen. Shoot WD-40 in the lug bolt holes.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:03 PM
I had this problem with my wife's Camry last year, as Brock said it's because of the alloy wheels. I ended up soaking them with penetrating oil for several hours and then beat them off with a hammer and pry bar. Those son of bitches were stuck on so bad we'd have been screwed if we had a flat in the middle of nowhere. Now anytime I have the wheels off any of our vehicles I always put a coat of grease between the wheel and hub before I put them back on.

PLEASE dont put that grease on your lugnuts. it makes them REAL hard to torque accurately. AND YES i habd torque EVERY lugnuts that comes off in my shop. if you want a job there it is a must

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:03 PM
nope the wheel is just stuck on. several ways to get it off. aluminum wheel or steel?

Both wheels? Weird. I believe they are both aluminum alloy.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Both wheels? Weird. I believe they are both aluminum alloy.

yep, be glad that you dont drive a dually:D they are the worst. i have actually had to leave lugnuts loose and drive them around the lot a couple of times to get them loose

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Maybe too obvious of a question, but does the car have some sort of anti tire theft lock you haven't disabled?

That's what I wondered. I have never seen anything like this. But the owner manual does not mention anything about that in the changing tire section.

Bacon Cheeseburger
09-23-2009, 08:07 PM
PLEASE dont put that grease on your lugnuts. it makes them REAL hard to torque accurately. AND YES i habd torque EVERY lugnuts that comes off in my shop. if you want a job there it is a must
I don't put it on the lug nuts, just a thin coat on the back side of the wheel where it makes contact with the hub.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:07 PM
That's what I wondered. I have never seen anything like this. But the owner manual does not mention anything about that in the changing tire section.

ROFL if you have all the lugnuts off then thats it. 5 IRC per wheel. nothing else there trust me on this one

Bacon Cheeseburger
09-23-2009, 08:07 PM
That's what I wondered. I have never seen anything like this. But the owner manual does not mention anything about that in the changing tire section.
How long has it been since the wheels were last removed?

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:09 PM
I don't put it on the lug nuts, just a thin coat on the back side of the wheel where it makes contact with the hub.

thats a great idea, and something i do on all aluminum wheels myself. also no antiseize. the next guy to have them off will hate you for getting that nasty shit all over them

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:09 PM
i agree with you, i have no idea how mechanically inclined he is. if I said it and he totally ruined his $100+ dollar wheel...... you know the rest:D



Seriously kicking it should remove it.


at the shop i have an old splitting maul to use on those REAL tough ones. usually a 48 oz plastic deadblow to the inner lip does the trick

Well, I thought about a hammer before ever posting this. But yeah, I didn't want to beat up the aluminum wheel. I am somewhat mechanically inclined. I have done many basic repairs over the years. Even some moderate ones.

So, what Brock is suggesting you agree (a 2 X 4 centered on the hub and pound it with a hammer)?

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:10 PM
Well, I thought about a hammer before ever posting this. But yeah, I didn't want to beat up the aluminum wheel. I am somewhat mechanically inclined. I have done many basic repairs over the years. Even some moderate ones.

So, what Brock is suggesting you agree (a 2 X 4 centered on the hub and pound it with a hammer)?

nope. you have it wrong. turn the wheel and put the 2x4 on the inside where the tire meets the wheel and hit the 2x4. remember to hold it flat.

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:11 PM
...beat them off....

:Elvis: Uh huh huh huh.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:11 PM
see you have to get that wheel to "cock" sideways and break the corrosion between the two(wheel and hub)

Brock
09-23-2009, 08:11 PM
It's probably easier just to kick it. You can direct a lot more force on to it that way, now that I think about it.

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:12 PM
yep, be glad that you dont drive a dually:D they are the worst. i have actually had to leave lugnuts loose and drive them around the lot a couple of times to get them loose

:eek: Did the wheel(s) ever come off while you were driving it around the lot?

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:13 PM
It's probably easier just to kick it. You can direct a lot more force on to it that way, now that I think about it.

now if you kick it just jack up the car take off the lugnuts and kick the tire at the bottom where the tire and wheel meet.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:14 PM
:eek: Did the wheel(s) ever come off while you were driving it around the lot?

no i just left the lugnuts a little loose, not off:D

Brock
09-23-2009, 08:14 PM
I think you just loosen the nuts a couple turns before you drive around the parking lot in a zig zag manner.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:14 PM
the hammer trick works well, it's just easier for me becuase i'm swinging it at a car on the rack. at home i just kick the shit out of it

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:15 PM
ROFL if you have all the lugnuts off then thats it. 5 IRC per wheel. nothing else there trust me on this one

Why do you laugh. Damn Korean or Japanese made cars I wouldn't put anything past them. I remember trying to change the rotors on my FIL's Tacoma one time. Damn things were locked into place somehow (don't remember now) and I didn't have the proper tools to do it. Why couldn't they just be like ever other car I've done and just pull right off?

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:15 PM
I think you just loosen the nuts a couple turns before you drive around the parking lot in a zig zag manner.

EXACTLYROFL and also the wheel going flying down the lot would not be good for business, hence the torque method. also it saves rotors.

Bacon Cheeseburger
09-23-2009, 08:15 PM
:eek: Did the wheel(s) ever come off while you were driving it around the lot?
Man, I swear I could've driven the wife's car for several weeks without lug nuts with as bad as hers were stuck.

(see if you can work an innuendo out of that one)

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:16 PM
How long has it been since the wheels were last removed?

We have only owned it a year and a half. It has just over 60k miles. I don't when, but the tires are still in decent shape.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:17 PM
Why do you laugh. Damn Korean or Japanese made cars I wouldn't put anything past them. I remember trying to change the rotors on my FIL's Tacoma one time. Damn things were locked into place somehow (don't remember now) and I didn't have the proper tools to do it. Why couldn't they just be like ever other car I've done and just pull right off?

hey man i'm definitely not laughing at you. everyone has been there at some point in their life. how do you think i learned it? it's just amusing.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:18 PM
Man, I swear I could've driven the wife's car for several weeks without lug nuts with as bad as hers were stuck.

(see if you can work an innuendo out of that one)

one good corner and it would have been trouble. even the toughest dont make it a mile.

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Man, I swear I could've driven the wife's car for several weeks without lug nuts with as bad as hers were stuck.

(see if you can work an innuendo out of that one)

ROFL
Nice.

Skip Towne
09-23-2009, 08:19 PM
thats a great idea, and something i do on all aluminum wheels myself. also no antiseize. the next guy to have them off will hate you for getting that nasty shit all over them

Yeah, the next guy may be YOU.

Bacon Cheeseburger
09-23-2009, 08:20 PM
We have only owned it a year and a half. It has just over 60k miles. I don't when, but the tires are still in decent shape.
Ah, the wife's car had gone four years without any of the tires removed for any reason. Just be glad you discovered this now, and not when you have a flat tire at night in a rainstorm in the middle of effing nowhere.

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:20 PM
Alright guys, thanks for the help. I will go out and try that.

Lzen
09-23-2009, 08:21 PM
Ah, the wife's car had gone four years without any of the tires removed for any reason. Just be glad you discovered this now, and not when you have a flat tire at night in a rainstorm in the middle of effing nowhere.

Well, yeah. I would be calling AAA.

JASONSAUTO
09-23-2009, 08:23 PM
Yeah, the next guy may be YOU.

yep thats why i said that.

munkey
09-23-2009, 08:26 PM
We have only owned it a year and a half. It has just over 60k miles. I don't when, but the tires are still in decent shape.


so you don't rotate the tires every 5k miles...What kind of tires do you have?

Demonpenz
09-23-2009, 08:42 PM
i would take it to tires plus but i am the kind of guy that pays for sex

Lzen
09-23-2009, 09:24 PM
Thank again, gentlemen. Worked like a charm. Well the driver's side was a pain. I ended up bracing myself against the garage wall and kick as hard as I could and it finally came loose. The other side I had no wall (2 car garage) but it came loose in about 4 -5 kicks.

Lzen
09-23-2009, 09:27 PM
so you don't rotate the tires every 5k miles...What kind of tires do you have?

Heh, I should have those rotated for sure. Although I don't do it every 5k. Should be 10k from what I remember.

Buehler445
09-23-2009, 11:41 PM
FTR, kicking is the correct answer.

cookster50
09-24-2009, 06:04 AM
FTR, kicking is the correct answer.

Whether it's tires, or women. -LJ

Bwana
09-24-2009, 06:17 AM
Been there. Give them a good front kick..........problem solved.

HemiEd
09-24-2009, 08:02 AM
IMO, You have a dissimilar metals reaction between the alloy wheels and the iron hub and they've become corroded together. Hit it with a BFH.

This, I usually just kick them with my size 11.