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talastan
09-24-2009, 11:55 AM
It is times like these that I have my faith in God renewed. One of the best ways for Iran to defend against an aerial attack from Israel goes down in flames, on top of the burial site of the Islamic republic's most revered leader.
Call it irony, karma, God, or just a dark sense of humor; it is defintely fitting since Imanutjob was preaching about the greatness of Iran while this was happening. Sorry if it is a repost.

Iran loses its only AWACS as Ahmadinejad threatens the world
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6280

September 23, 2009, 12:20 PM (GMT+02:00)



Iran's AWACS destroyed in parade collision

Up above a big military parade in Tehran on Tuesday, Sept. 22, as Iranian president declared Iran's armed forces would "chop off the hands" of any power daring to attack his country, two air force jets collided in mid-air. One was Iran's only airborne warning and control system (AWACS) for coordinating long-distance aerial operations, DEBKAfile's military and Iranian sources disclose.

The proud military parade, which included a march-past, a line of Shehab-3 missiles and an air force fly-past, was planned to give Ahmadinejad a dazzling send-off for New York and add steel to his UN Assembly speech Wednesday.

Dubbed "Simorgh" (a flying creature of Iranian fable which performs wonders in mid-flight), the AWACS' appearance, escorted by fighter jets, was to have been the climax for the Iranian Air force's fly-past over the parade. Instead, it collided with one of escorting planes, a US-made F-5E, and both crashed to the ground in flames. All seven crewmen were killed.

Eye witnesses reported that the flaming planes landed on the mausoleum burial site of the Islamic revolution's founder Ruhollah Khomeini, a national shrine. According to Western observers, no distress signals came from either cockpit indicating that the collision and explosions were sudden and fast.

DEBKAfile's military sources say the disaster was a serious blow to the Iranian Air Force not long after its first and only AWACS went into service in April 2008. It was a renovated version of the Russian Ilyushin 76, part of Saddam Hussein's air force before it was transferred to Iran in 1991 during the first Gulf War.

Tehran hired Russian technicians to carry out renovations and install up-to-date radar. At the launching ceremony of the upgraded AWACS, Air Force commander Brig. Gen. Ahmad Miqani boasted its new radar systems were made in Iran and able to spot any airplane or missile at a distance of 1,000 kilometers from Iran's borders.

The loss of this airborne control system has left Iran's air force and air and missile defenses without "electronic eyes" for surveillance of the skies around its borders.

alpha_omega
09-24-2009, 12:05 PM
Sounds like a good time for Israel to make its move.

jiveturkey
09-24-2009, 12:59 PM
It's a win for the good guys for sure.

I've got a question though. Why was this plane transferred from Iraq to Iran during the first Gulf War?

Donger
09-24-2009, 01:05 PM
It's a win for the good guys for sure.

I've got a question though. Why was this plane transferred from Iraq to Iran during the first Gulf War?

Because most of the Iraqi air force ran away rather than face us (and die).

FishingRod
09-24-2009, 01:21 PM
With all due respect to the families of the pilots that died in this accident and really I do offer them my sympathy.




BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fell right on the burial site of the dead old bag a douche. Baaaaaaaaahahahahah ha ha he he he that is some beautiful irony.

Radar Chief
09-24-2009, 01:29 PM
Because most of the Iraqi air force ran away rather than face us (and die).

Yup, seems Saddam thought he was more likely to get them back from Iran than us. After the first 48 hours about the only Iraqi jets that flew were hightailing it as fast as their afterburners could take them for Iran and not all of those made it. We still knocked a lot of those down before they could get away.

jiveturkey
09-24-2009, 01:34 PM
Does their AF have anything that's been made within the last 20 years?

Radar Chief
09-24-2009, 01:37 PM
Does their AF have anything that's been made within the last 20 years?

:shrug: Not from us. Maybe some Russian Suhkoi’s and Migs though.

Donger
09-24-2009, 01:53 PM
Does their AF have anything that's been made within the last 20 years?

There were reports a few days ago that they've designed and built a new fighter internally. It looks like an F-5 ripoff.

talastan
09-24-2009, 01:55 PM
Does their AF have anything that's been made within the last 20 years?

They certainly won't have anything if they keep crashing them.

jiveturkey
09-24-2009, 01:57 PM
You would think with oil revenue you'd be able to buy some nicer shit.

The Israeli's aren't going to have much of an issue flying over, bombing everything and getting home.

BigRedChief
09-24-2009, 01:57 PM
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fell right on the burial site of the dead old bag a douche. Baaaaaaaaahahahahah ha ha he he he that is some beautiful irony. seems like pretty darn high odds that the plane would hit Khoemenhi's memorial by accident? Seems like if they were good soldiers and the plane was in trouble they would steer it away? Just happenstance? Where's the conspiracy buff's at when you need them?

***SPRAYER
09-24-2009, 01:57 PM
Karma's a bitch.

jiveturkey
09-24-2009, 01:58 PM
I forgot about the missile that travels at mock 400. :)

HC_Chief
09-24-2009, 01:59 PM
Ouch.... AWACS is an incredibly important system. To lose 100% of AWACS severely degrades your ability to gain/maintain air superiority.

Radar Chief
09-24-2009, 02:05 PM
You would think with oil revenue you'd be able to buy some nicer shit.

The Israeli's aren't going to have much of an issue flying over, bombing everything and getting home.

I did a quick Google search and found that in the last couple of years they’ve purchased a couple dozen fighter jets from each Russia and China.

BigRedChief
09-24-2009, 02:08 PM
I did a quick Google search and found that in the last couple of years they’ve purchased a couple dozen fighter jets from each Russia and China.
yep, thats why we have to get China and Russia involved to do anything about the mullahs. They got money in on the deal and won't take too kindly to us taking money out of their pockets, little own doing something on its border. Without the approval or tacit approval we can't act unilaterally. But, Israel can.

Hog Farmer
09-24-2009, 02:56 PM
It doesn't matter , when it's time to go kick Irans ass it won't be much of a problem. Their AWAC plane would have been taken out before they knew what happened. I wish we'd just go ahead and get this over with. I think Israel makes their move pretty soon.

Frazod
09-24-2009, 03:00 PM
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Iowanian
09-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Its' too bad the other plane didn't fall on and ignite their fleet of Shehab 3's.

talastan
09-24-2009, 04:31 PM
Its' too bad the other plane didn't fall on and ignite their fleet of Shehab 3's.

THIS!!!:clap:

Iowanian
09-24-2009, 04:39 PM
I think if I were going to launch an attack against one of these countries, I'd start by clusterbombing one of these parades.

Saul Good
09-24-2009, 07:19 PM
They got money in on the deal and won't take too kindly to us taking money out of their pockets, little own doing something on its border.

Please tell me that you haven't gone your entire life thinking that people are saying "little own" when they are actually saying "let alone". That's classic.

***SPRAYER
09-28-2009, 11:37 AM
The Daily Express in the UK is reporting that the Saudi's will OK the use of their airspace to Israel for an attack on Iran's nuke facilities.

:thumb:

Donger
09-28-2009, 08:24 PM
The Daily Express in the UK is reporting that the Saudi's will OK the use of their airspace to Israel for an attack on Iran's nuke facilities.

:thumb:

Ahem.

KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 08:26 PM
Sounds like he cut off his own hands to spite his AWACS
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BigRedChief
09-28-2009, 08:30 PM
The Daily Express in the UK is reporting that the Saudi's will OK the use of their airspace to Israel for an attack on Iran's nuke facilities.

:thumb:
Those Arab states may not be very friendly towards us or Israel but they don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons anymore than the rest of the world. You know as soon as they got the bomb they would start threatning the Arab states also.

KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 08:32 PM
Those Arab states may not be very friendly towards us or Israel but they don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons anymore than the rest of the world. You know as soon as they got the bomb they would start threatning the Arab states also.
There is no reason to believe that. Besides, the more ground they consume, the more profit for Russia and China.
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