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HonestChieffan
09-25-2009, 07:53 AM
If we are honest, even the most liberal would have to agree that ACORN needs to be fully investigated. If they are not, then they have no hope of repairing their image or reestablishing themselves as a organization that can be trusted.

With that in mind, how can anyone approve of the actions of Harry Reid to stop any Senate investigation?

Sep. 25, 2009
Copyright Las Vegas Review-Journal

EDITORIAL: Reid blocks ACORN probe

Tracking abuse by political allies could be 'distracting'
ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- is stinking up Washington.

And this is far more significant than if a suspiciously large number of operatives for a purely "private" outfit had been found systematically bending and breaking the law, because ACORN receives and spends taxpayer money -- lots of it -- and had carried the imprimatur of official partnerships with the IRS, the Census Bureau ... the kind of "cred" that in the political world comes only from "who you know."



Yes, ACORN has friends in high places -- friends who are still stonewalling attempts to trace where all that tax money went ... perhaps because they know who still has cookie crumbs all over their hands.

It didn't start with those undercover videos made by a couple of independent filmmakers posing as a prostitute and her pimp, visiting various ACORN offices around the country and getting helpful advice on how to hide their income and "qualify" for a tax-subsidized mortgage to set up a house of ill repute, declaring three of their dozen (albeit imaginary) underage illegal immigrant prostitutes as "dependents."

That was just a final shoe dropping loudly enough that the problem could no longer be ignored.

Here in Clark County, Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said last year he saw "rampant fraud in the 2,000 to 3,000 registrations ACORN turns in every week," with some 48 percent of those forms being "clearly fraudulent."

The Las Vegas headquarters of ACORN, "a Democrat-allied organization," was raided after being "accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with duplicate and false names," the Washington Times reported last fall. The outfit claimed it had registered to vote in Nevada, among others, the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.

The raid "set off a skirmish over efforts to expand the electorate on behalf of Sen. Barack Obama," the Times reported.

Mr. Lomax noted ACORN had hired 59 inmates from a work-release program at a nearby prison and that some inmates who had been convicted of identity theft had been made supervisors. "That led some local wags to joke that at least ACORN was hiring specialists to do their work," reported John Fund at The Politico, last November.

ACORN's 2008 Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, pleased guilty last spring to two gross misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit compensation for registration of voters, in a deal that saw him agree to testify against fellow defendants.

Fox News' Eric Shawn reported there were at least 11 investigations across the country involving thousands of potentially fraudulent ACORN forms. Yet none of this was sufficient to block President Obama and his congressional minions from upping federal subsidies to outfits such as Mr. Obama's former associates at ACORN from the mere millions to the billions of dollars in their "economic stimulus" bill last winter.

Only when presented with the undeniable evidence of the "pimp and ho" videotape did the IRS last week announce it would terminate ACORN's participation in the agency's Volunteer Income Tax Assistance program -- shortly after the Census Bureau advised ACORN it could forget about helping with its decennial head count.

Smoke? Fire? Washington Democratic leaders have opted to just lay low and not smell nothin'.

Despite all this evidence and a request in writing by 28 GOP senators -- and despite the fact the U.S. Senate voted 83-7 on Sept. 14 to block ACORN from bidding for any more federal grant money -- "Senate Democrat Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is refusing to hold a Senate hearing on ACORN's activities," the National Republican Senatorial Committee complained Wednesday.

Mr. Reid replied additional investigations might distract lawmakers from addressing more important matters, including health care and economic recovery.

"It's become increasingly clear that ACORN may have manipulated tens of thousands of ballots in last year's federal election -- an area where Congress has clear oversight responsibilities -- yet Harry Reid won't lift a finger," said NRSC spokesman Brian Walsh. "It's hard to see his latest roadblock as anything but another example of Harry Reid protecting his liberal allies in Washington while remaining out of touch with his constituents in Nevada."

That's a politically motivated shot, of course. Stripped of the gratuitous elbowing, however, the question does remain: Do Sen. Reid and congressional Democrats really believe that if they just ignore the big mess their pet bear has dumped in the middle of the room, it'll somehow stop stinking?


http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/reid-blocks-acorn-probe-61438132.html

ROYC75
09-25-2009, 07:59 AM
Yes they should, the whole NUT program was corrupt. A full investigation should be done, sad part their is a lot of documents being shredded as we speak.

Many dead ends in their books.

***SPRAYER
09-25-2009, 08:12 AM
Gee, I wonder why Harry Reid wants to protect child pornagraphy?

Chief Henry
09-25-2009, 08:15 AM
Its long over due.

petegz28
09-25-2009, 08:18 AM
Let's see, we can investigate mailers on health care and steroids and those things but ACORN? Forget it.

HonestChieffan
09-25-2009, 08:20 AM
What amazes me is the lack of any voice from the left. Im not picking on them just cannot understand the tollerance they are showing for what appears to be a very dirty and soiled organization that is so closely tied to the government and funding and all the social programs they(the left) support.

By being silent or in this case Reid not allowing any discussion, it taints the entire group.

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 08:44 AM
What amazes me is the lack of any voice from the left. Im not picking on them just cannot understand the tollerance they are showing for what appears to be a very dirty and soiled organization that is so closely tied to the government and funding and all the social programs they(the left) support.

By being silent or in this case Reid not allowing any discussion, it taints the entire group.

Personally for me I honestly don't care about Acorn. I don't know why maybe it is because they have over 1700 offices nationwide so there is bound to be some POS's working for them. Does that mean the entire organization is corrupt? I don't know about that. If it is shown that the leaders of Acorn knew about what was going on then I would say they are corrupt.

IMO this is kind of comparable to say police departments, FBI or CIA that have corrupt agents or officers but does that mean the whole organization is that way?

Something to think about anyway.

HonestChieffan
09-25-2009, 08:45 AM
you honestly dont see this as important?

Brock
09-25-2009, 08:46 AM
Personally for me I honestly don't care about Acorn. I don't know why maybe it is because they have over 1700 offices nationwide so there is bound to be some POS's working for them. Does that mean the entire organization is corrupt? I don't know about that. If it is shown that the leaders of Acorn knew about what was going on then I would say they are corrupt.

Good thing they aren't lobbyists, huh dirk?

banyon
09-25-2009, 08:50 AM
I agree with dirk, but I do appreciate that you at least attempted to make some thoughtful commentary trying to generate discussion.

I think conservatives in general overestimate the importance of this group to the left. I've never seen or met anyone from this group and could give two sh**s whether they fall into a ravine or not.

HonestChieffan
09-25-2009, 08:52 AM
So corruption is a partisan thing?

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 08:53 AM
you honestly dont see this as important?

Compared to alot of other things not really. I just can't get worked up about it I don't know why.

Good thing they aren't lobbyists, huh dirk?

LMAO Exactly Brock.

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 08:57 AM
So corruption is a partisan thing?

Definitely not partisan.

From what I understand of the people that made the videos they went to alot of Acorn offices and they were turned down and then they found a few that were shitty.

But I will say this I agree with Congress withholding funding until this is all cleared up, punished etc

HonestChieffan
09-25-2009, 08:59 AM
Where did you get that information on the people who made the videos?

Re congress, wouldnt you like to know where the money has gone that they have already been paid?

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 09:11 AM
Where did you get that information on the people who made the videos?

Re congress, wouldnt you like to know where the money has gone that they have already been paid?

On Oreilly's show the other night. Andrew Breitbart has admitted they were turned away by 23 or so offices.

In fact one of the Acorn offices called the police and filed a complaint.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/0917-acornpolicereport.jpg

Regarding your question about Congress how much were they getting from Congress I thought it was a fairly small amount?

petegz28
09-25-2009, 09:24 AM
Ha! Random POS's? I've fucking heard it all now. None of these people would have been doing what they did to the degree that we know of if it wasn't condoned.


Spare me the bullshit.

***SPRAYER
09-25-2009, 09:26 AM
C'mon guys, ACORn does alot in the community to help poor people.

HonestChieffan
09-25-2009, 10:02 AM
Im just amazed at the lack of interest by those who are so supportive of Acorn. Feels a lot like the rules only need to go one way.

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 10:27 AM
Im just amazed at the lack of interest by those who are so supportive of Acorn. Feels a lot like the rules only need to go one way.

I don't support Acorn. In fact I never heard of them until it was election time. Personally I could care less either way which to come to think of it is probably why I don't have much interest in this story. If they disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't care or probably wouldn't know it.

Simplex3
09-25-2009, 12:41 PM
Regarding your question about Congress how much were they getting from Congress I thought it was a fairly small amount?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0919/p02s13-usgn.html
...According to a Congressional report, the group has received $53 million in federal funds since 1994. But the nonpartisan Politifact.com reported in May that most of that money went to the ACORN Housing Corporation, one of the group's many affiliates.

The moves by the House and Senate would have minimal impact financially on the group, says ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis.

"Fortunately, ACORN derives most of its income from its members and other supporters, so the decision will have little impact on overall operations. The only real victims of today's vote are the families who have benefited from ACORN's important work," she said in a statement.

$53M isn't small potatoes. I'd kind of like to have even 1/10th of that.

Simplex3
09-25-2009, 12:43 PM
The real kicker is what they won't be getting because of the expose:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/special-editorial-reports/ACORN-got-53-million-in-federal-funds-since-94-now-eligible-for-up-to-8-billion-more-44406217.html
...At least $53 million in federal funds have gone to ACORN activists since 1994, and the controversial group could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states.

The economic stimulus bill enacted in February contains $3 billion that the non-profit activist group known more formally as the Association for Community Organizations for Reform Now could receive, and 2010 federal budget contains another $5.5 billion that could also find its way into the group’s coffers....

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 01:23 PM
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0919/p02s13-usgn.html


$53M isn't small potatoes. I'd kind of like to have even 1/10th of that.

That is what I thought. O'Reilly was talking about this the other night. That comes out to 3.5 million a year.