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Donger
09-25-2009, 02:18 PM
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall

This doesn't happen often enough.

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.

Hydrae
09-25-2009, 02:23 PM
Debtor prisons FTW!

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 02:25 PM
So it is not a tax but jail time and a fine. :D

wild1
09-25-2009, 02:29 PM
Ah, see, it's not a tax. Tax evasion is a felony! :rolleyes:

BigRedChief
09-25-2009, 02:34 PM
Ah, see, it's not a tax. Tax evasion is a felony! :rolleyes:The wealthy should find this a normal process.

Taco John
09-25-2009, 02:35 PM
The progressive solution to health reform is debtors prisons.

EQUALITEE!

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 02:37 PM
The progressive solution to health reform is debtors prisons.

EQUALITY!

They are going to decriminalize pot to make room for the health care prisoners.

blaise
09-25-2009, 02:39 PM
They are going to decriminalize pot to make room for the health care prisoners.

They'll get free health care in prison.

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 02:39 PM
They'll get free health care in prison.

Problem solved!

Hydrae
09-25-2009, 02:40 PM
They'll get free health care in prison.

That's how we cover everyone. Got it!

BigRedChief
09-25-2009, 02:40 PM
Problem solved!
Well played..Well played...:clap:

Taco John
09-25-2009, 02:43 PM
They are going to decriminalize pot to make room for the health care prisoners.

I get the sense that they'd rather let car theives and pedophiles go before dope smokers.

wild1
09-25-2009, 02:55 PM
I get the sense that they'd rather let car theives and pedophiles go before dope smokers.

Wait until you get "health care deadbeats" in the system. they'd be lower class I bet than drug offenders.

Drug offendors you could let go because for one thing most will put themselves back in the system voluntarily in the future anyway. But continuing down the logical paths here, you'd think that drugs, being a very steady source of potential tax revenue, will become more legal or tolerated, in the future. Drug offendors in the future will actually be a cash cow for the state.

Being branded an Enemy of Socialism by not paying your tribute to the King can't be allowed, because it decreases revenue. The government will scrub where it's dirty.

KCWolfman
09-25-2009, 03:00 PM
Wait until you get "health care deadbeats" in the system. they'd be lower class I bet than drug offenders.

Drug offendors you could let go because for one thing most will put themselves back in the system voluntarily in the future anyway. But continuing down the logical paths here, you'd think that drugs, being a very steady source of potential tax revenue, will become more legal or tolerated, in the future. Drug offendors in the future will actually be a cash cow for the state.

Being branded an Enemy of Socialism by not paying your tribute to the King can't be allowed, because it decreases revenue. The government will scrub where it's dirty.

Wow! Nicely put.

"The government will scrub where it is dirty"

How many Winston Smiths will be cleaners until they wake up as he did in "1984"? It is frightening to see some of them on this board.

Taco John
09-25-2009, 03:02 PM
Wow! Nicely put.

"The government will scrub where it is dirty"

How many Winston Smiths will be cleaners until they wake up as he did in "1984"? It is frightening to see some of them on this board.



*cough* *cough* Patriot Act *cough*


Excuse me. *ahaugh* Yes. Indeed. The "government will save us from everything that ails us" mentality that has crept into this nation is quite frightening. I agree wholeheartedly.

KCWolfman
09-25-2009, 03:15 PM
*cough* *cough* Patriot Act *cough*


Excuse me. *ahaugh* Yes. Indeed. The "government will save us from everything that ails us" mentality that has crept into this nation is quite frightening. I agree wholeheartedly.

Patriot Act was a short term action voted in by both parties.

Seems to me it may have served well as I don't attempt to assemble bombs via the internet and Najibullah Zazi does.

dirk digler
09-25-2009, 03:17 PM
I get the sense that they'd rather let car theives and pedophiles go before dope smokers.

I doubt it though they should just shoot pedophiles

wild1
09-25-2009, 03:20 PM
Wow! Nicely put.

"The government will scrub where it is dirty"

How many Winston Smiths will be cleaners until they wake up as he did in "1984"? It is frightening to see some of them on this board.

Legalized drugs have many potential benefits to the hypothetical (hopefully) monolithic state.

They're a reliable way to bleed a segment of the population of their income for revenue purposes. Governance will become more and more focused on increasing revenue to buy more control.

Drugs subjugate users to a vice, reducing their surplus income and creating less ability to rely on the self (ergo more reliance on and allegiance to the state). Vices also help keep people's eye off the ball. A certain percentage will just be happy if there's beer and football, no matter what else you do to them. Taking some things away is too expensive of a dissatisfier. There was still Victory Gin, even in Winston's world.

They would probably help filter out the least productive in society ahead of where they normally would die off, as well. A heroin addict in his 20s does not project to be a productive investment to the state, so the state's interest is for him to die off as quickly as possible.

In a way, as long as their use is kept to the unproductive, everybody wins. The state would have to keep the young and professional from getting too into them, perhaps the taxation and general depression of disposable income would limit those, or some criminal system could be kept in place to keep people in the cash cow zone and not the junkie zone.

Or they could be kept to where Don Zaluchi would have them, those who may lose their souls at no cost or a savings to the state.

BucEyedPea
09-25-2009, 03:23 PM
Problem solved!

ROFL -------------> from posts #2- #10 LMAO

RINGLEADER
09-25-2009, 04:00 PM
Patriot Act was a short term action voted in by both parties.

Seems to me it may have served well as I don't attempt to assemble bombs via the internet and Najibullah Zazi does.

Didn't Harry Reid boast that the Democrats had killed the Patriot Act?

jiveturkey
09-25-2009, 04:03 PM
This is retarded.

petegz28
09-25-2009, 04:08 PM
So the Dem take on health care then is this:

1. You MUST buy health insurance so you do not make other people pay for your health care OR

1.a. You will be arressted and jailed at the cost of the tax payer.


LMAO

wild1
09-25-2009, 04:20 PM
So the Dem take on health care then is this:

1. You MUST buy health insurance so you do not make other people pay for your health care OR

1.a. You will be arressted and jailed at the cost of the tax payer.


LMAO

Your summary was much more succinct than mine. ROFL

Saul Good
09-25-2009, 05:37 PM
So the Dem take on health care then is this:

1. You MUST buy health insurance so you do not make other people pay for your health care OR

1.a. You will be arressted and jailed at the cost of the tax payer.



...where other people will pay for your health care.

2bikemike
09-25-2009, 05:43 PM
...where other people will pay for your health care.

And the Wheels on the bus go Round and Round.

RedNeckRaider
09-25-2009, 05:50 PM
Wow! Nicely put.

"The government will scrub where it is dirty"

How many Winston Smiths will be cleaners until they wake up as he did in "1984"? It is frightening to see some of them on this board.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

mikey23545
09-25-2009, 06:04 PM
Let's all laugh while we can...

jIZ, Erekshun, Cotter, and Zach will be along soon to tell us we're all just children, frightened of the dark....

Saul Good
09-25-2009, 06:06 PM
And the Wheels on the bus go Round and Round.

As soon as you go to jail, you will receive health care. Does that mean that they have to then immediately let you out only to arrest you again as soon as you leave?

|Zach|
09-25-2009, 06:12 PM
Let's all laugh while we can...

jIZ, Erekshun, Cotter, and Zach will be along soon to tell us we're all just children, frightened of the dark....

Yea?

orange
09-25-2009, 06:49 PM
This is nothing new. This is current law.

Internal Revenue Code Section 7203
Section 7203.
Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting ''felony'' for ''misdemeanor'' and ''5 years'' for ''1 year''.

http://www.assetprotectionbook.com/irc_sec_7203.htm

BucEyedPea
09-25-2009, 07:06 PM
This is nothing new. This is current law.

Internal Revenue Code Section 7203
Section 7203.
Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting ''felony'' for ''misdemeanor'' and ''5 years'' for ''1 year''.

http://www.assetprotectionbook.com/irc_sec_7203.htm

Oh no Reid says paying income tax is voluntary.

P.S. I know two people who haven't filed in years and they're not in jail.
They eventually did but nothing real bad happened to them either.

petegz28
09-25-2009, 07:08 PM
This is nothing new. This is current law.

Internal Revenue Code Section 7203
Section 7203.
Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting ''felony'' for ''misdemeanor'' and ''5 years'' for ''1 year''.

http://www.assetprotectionbook.com/irc_sec_7203.htm



So indeed it is a tax.....ROFL

orange
09-25-2009, 07:18 PM
So indeed it is a tax.....ROFL

No, it isn't.

It's a requirement to "make a return, keep any records, or supply any information,"

The actual handwritten note from Barthold is here: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_090925_document2.html

Show me the actual question that Ensign asked and I might be persuaded that he asked "is it a tax."

Is this Jeopardy? We get the answer and have to guess the question?

banyon
09-25-2009, 07:30 PM
Oh no Reid says paying income tax is voluntary.

P.S. I know two people who haven't filed in years and they're not in jail.
They eventually did but nothing real bad happened to them either.

There are people who deal drugs and don't get caught either, are you recommending that as a good idea?

banyon
09-25-2009, 07:35 PM
This is nothing new. This is current law.

Internal Revenue Code Section 7203
Section 7203.
Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting ''felony'' for ''misdemeanor'' and ''5 years'' for ''1 year''.

http://www.assetprotectionbook.com/irc_sec_7203.htm

Wow, yet another overblown hand-wringing faux outrage thread.

Shocking.

Where are all of the people who were outraged to admit they were mistaken?

BucEyedPea
09-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Did banyon say something? Sad really to talk to someone who's paying no attention.

banyon
09-25-2009, 07:46 PM
Did banyon say something? Sad really to talk to someone who's paying no attention.

What is this post about? You're not paying attention by calling attention to the fact you're not paying attention?

If you didn't read it, how do you even know I addressed you at all?

You're a bad liar. Your silly game is stupid too.

Be honest, you don't have the self control or lack of egocentricity to ignore anything about you.

I've told you over and over that I don't give two f*cks whether you reply to me or not, but when you make asinine and dangerous statements like "People should just avoid paying taxes because I know some people who didn't get in much trouble for it", then you deserve to be called out on it so people aren't inadvertently misled by your nonsense.