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HonestChieffan
09-27-2009, 09:47 AM
His tough guy act on his radio address this week came after going to the UN and slathering love on all his goofy buddies and ignoring the UK, Canada, and Israel. No way can this guy believe anyone is paying any attention...while his commander is desperate for more help, he does polls and wants to think about it...they drop boder guards at home, and he wants to eliminate defenses and arms...what a loon.

http://www.weaselzippers.net/.a/6a00e008c6b4e588340120a59e9562970b-250wi

Even the Chineese thisnks hes a loon:

Iran vows not to stop nuclear activities "even for a short time"


www.chinaview.cn 2009-09-27 19:50:33 Print

TEHRAN, Sept. 27 (Xinhua) -- Iran's Atomic Energy Organization Chief Ali Akbar Salehi said that Iran would not stop its nuclear activities "even for a short time," the official IRNA news agency reported on Sunday.

On Friday, a diplomat in Austria said that Iran is now constructing a new nuclear facility, its second uranium enrichment facility, the claim which Iran also announced as its intention to safeguard its sensitive atomic facilities against any threat or attack.

"Regarding the sensitivity of the uranium enrichment, it was decided that a safe place to be used to protect the sensitive facilities and our human force so that the enemy would know that our nuclear activities would not stop even for a short time," Salehi was quoted as saying.

"The new facilities are only more secure against any attack," and they are "... underground, sensitive and semi-industrial" which are being built in the framework of the country's nuclear facilities," Salehi said.

"The rate of enrichment in the new facility is 5 percent like the one in Natanz," he said, adding that "The construction of the new facilities began around a year ago and no machinery or radioactive materials have yet been installed in it."

Referring to Iran's earlier announcement of the new establishments to the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Salehi said that "According to the IAEA rules, we should announce it 180 days ahead of injecting gas to the atomic facilities which begins about two years later. We didn't have to announce it but we did it much sooner in order to build confidence and make transparency," the report said.

"We thought that our move (of announcing the construction of new establishments) would be appreciated but the reaction of the west and their media was strange," IRNA quoted him as saying.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Friday voiced his "grave concern" about Iran's continued uranium enrichment when meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The five permanent UN Security Council member nations and Germany are set to meet with Iran next week in talks that will almost certainly address the Middle Eastern state's uranium enrichment program.

The United States and other Western powers suspect the program is aimed at producing nuclear-weapon material, but Tehran contends that the program has no military component and has steadfastly rejected calls to halt the effort.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-09/27/content_12118450.htm


His G-20 Presser is embarrasing:


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***SPRAYER
09-27-2009, 09:56 AM
Gee...

And nobody saw any of this coming.

Direckshun
09-27-2009, 09:04 PM
His Iran policy has been strong.

1. His speech in Cairo was great at rebranding US policy in the Middle East, that helped in a lot of countries, msot of which Iran.

2. He did not fall into the trap of "chest thumping" when rebellion spread across the country in Iran. The Iranian leadership practically begged him to so they could use it against the protestors, matter of fact they even pretended he did. But nobody fell for it -- and the complete lack of options turned not just much of the country against the coup, but even some of Iran's elites.

3. Obama has allowed the UK and France to take a lead on accusations regarding Iran.

4. He's called out the regime on every major speech regarding nuclear nonproliferation and the Middle East.

5. Obama took the lead on exposing the nuclear lab that Iran's kept secret near Qom.

6. Russia, for the first time ever, is going to deploy sanctions on Iran. This is ****ing huge news.

The result of all this applies pressure in Iran in all the right spots. This conflict, due to the deft framing of the Obama administration, has avoided the US vs. Iran dynamic that colored the Bush administration with all of our enemies. Instead, this conflict has now been framed the World vs. a coup-seated dictator. Iran is completely running out of diplomatic options until they finally start making positive moves.

craneref
09-27-2009, 09:31 PM
His Iran policy has been strong.

1. His speech in Cairo was great at rebranding US policy in the Middle East, that helped in a lot of countries, msot of which Iran.

2. He did not fall into the trap of "chest thumping" when rebellion spread across the country in Iran. The Iranian leadership practically begged him to so they could use it against the protestors, matter of fact they even pretended he did. But nobody fell for it -- and the complete lack of options turned not just much of the country against the coup, but even some of Iran's elites.

3. Obama has allowed the UK and France to take a lead on accusations regarding Iran.

4. He's called out the regime on every major speech regarding nuclear nonproliferation and the Middle East.

5. Obama took the lead on exposing the nuclear lab that Iran's kept secret near Qom.

6. Russia, for the first time ever, is going to deploy sanctions on Iran. This is ****ing huge news.

The result of all this applies pressure in Iran in all the right spots. This conflict, due to the deft framing of the Obama administration, has avoided the US vs. Iran dynamic that colored the Bush administration with all of our enemies. Instead, this conflict has now been framed the World vs. a coup-seated dictator. Iran is completely running out of diplomatic options until they finally start making positive moves.

So how does it work, do you have to ask for the President Obama talking points or are they automatically e-mailed to you each week?

Direckshun
09-27-2009, 09:37 PM
So how does it work, do you have to ask for the President Obama talking points or are they automatically e-mailed to you each week?

I'm waiting for any reasoning you may have that's counter to mine.

KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 12:21 AM
His Iran policy has been strong.

1. His speech in Cairo was great at rebranding US policy in the Middle East, that helped in a lot of countries, msot of which Iran.

2. He did not fall into the trap of "chest thumping" when rebellion spread across the country in Iran. The Iranian leadership practically begged him to so they could use it against the protestors, matter of fact they even pretended he did. But nobody fell for it -- and the complete lack of options turned not just much of the country against the coup, but even some of Iran's elites.

3. Obama has allowed the UK and France to take a lead on accusations regarding Iran.

4. He's called out the regime on every major speech regarding nuclear nonproliferation and the Middle East.

5. Obama took the lead on exposing the nuclear lab that Iran's kept secret near Qom.

6. Russia, for the first time ever, is going to deploy sanctions on Iran. This is ****ing huge news.

The result of all this applies pressure in Iran in all the right spots. This conflict, due to the deft framing of the Obama administration, has avoided the US vs. Iran dynamic that colored the Bush administration with all of our enemies. Instead, this conflict has now been framed the World vs. a coup-seated dictator. Iran is completely running out of diplomatic options until they finally start making positive moves.

I don't understand point #1, it is an unfinished sentence. "Most of which Iran" what? Furthermore, the speech was not all that great and full of misconceptions. He stated the US government went to court to protect the right of women to wear a hijab. While the rights to wear the head covering have been established in court, the government was not the defender in the cases. The only "rebranding" I read throughout the entire speech was only one true policy point - that he would stress both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist.

#2, True, but to what avail? Iran is no better off. In fact, while he threw fits about Honduras and their illegal actions, he ignored the same issues in Iran - Sad and hypocritical.

#3. Agreed

#4. First you say he was quiet in #2, then you say he is vocal on Iran in #4. Obviously not vocal enough.

#5. No he didn't. Iran reported both instances of both sites to the IAEA themselves. In fact, the reason Iran reported the second site was after 6 years of tracking the project, the Iranians found out they were being spied on and turned themselves in.

#6. THey are supporting UN Sanctions. Big Deal. There are currently 3 sets of sanctions and none stopped the missile testing yesterday, did it.

Hog Farmer
09-28-2009, 05:31 AM
I still think they need to be cluster bombed with the boar goo !

Direckshun
09-28-2009, 10:08 AM
I don't understand point #1, it is an unfinished sentence. "Most of which Iran" what? Furthermore, the speech was not all that great and full of misconceptions. He stated the US government went to court to protect the right of women to wear a hijab. While the rights to wear the head covering have been established in court, the government was not the defender in the cases. The only "rebranding" I read throughout the entire speech was only one true policy point - that he would stress both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist.

#2, True, but to what avail? Iran is no better off. In fact, while he threw fits about Honduras and their illegal actions, he ignored the same issues in Iran - Sad and hypocritical.

#3. Agreed

#4. First you say he was quiet in #2, then you say he is vocal on Iran in #4. Obviously not vocal enough.

#5. No he didn't. Iran reported both instances of both sites to the IAEA themselves. In fact, the reason Iran reported the second site was after 6 years of tracking the project, the Iranians found out they were being spied on and turned themselves in.

#6. THey are supporting UN Sanctions. Big Deal. There are currently 3 sets of sanctions and none stopped the missile testing yesterday, did it.

1. It was an important speech that highlighted our admission that our battle for the hearts and minds of the Middle East had been horribly lost over the last eight years, but that we were still committed to it on a wave of pro-modern issues. Like with Iran, Obama's mission is to change the US vs. the Middle East dynamic that's taken hold over the Bush administration (and administrations prior). It didn't "work" in that Middle Eastern countries immediately like us now (foreign policy NEVER "works" that way), but it achieved its objective of parting ways with the Bush administration, incredibly unpopular in the Middle East.

2. Iran *is* better off. The leadership there is almost completely discredited. If the leadership had any credit whatsoever, Iran would be a lost cause. But instead, yes they are ruled by coup right now, but it has zero legitimacy and that bodes the best for Iran's future.

It's not sad and hypocritical to openly criticize actions in some countries and to ignore them in others. This is foreign policy, do *you* deal with every person you know the same way? Of course not, and the same is true for foreign policy.

4. You're missing the point. Obama has stayed out of the politics of the fraudulent election in Iran, but he has consistently continued the United States' longstanding policy against proliferation and the general conditions in Iran that we oppose here. That's not controversial, that's commendable, as you were probably commending Bush for doing the exact same thing during his grossly idiotic "axis of evil" rhetoric.

5. That's fair.

6. You clearly don't understand the historic imporance of Russia coming out against Iran.

HonestChieffan
09-28-2009, 10:23 AM
The speech that threw Israel under the buss and made every other ally very spooked over this administrations weak stands on the very things we have supported for 50 years.?


Russia is playing Obama like carp.

Direckshun
09-28-2009, 10:42 AM
The speech that threw Israel under the buss and made every other ally very spooked over this administrations weak stands on the very things we have supported for 50 years.?

Standing against settlements on the West Bank is now throwing Israel under the bus?

Listen, I know you think Israel is infallible, but they aren't. And you're not going to get Israel and Palestine to come to a common focus if you play up the angle that one side is all good and the other side is all bad.

HonestChieffan
09-28-2009, 10:47 AM
Nor can asking them to average themselves. The hate is biblical in age and this dickhead thinks he can out carter carter and make every buddy pals.

You do not establish yourself as a strong leader by abandoning 50 years of committment to an ally to extend a branch to a war mongering hate filled people who offer nothing in return.

***SPRAYER
09-28-2009, 11:08 AM
I don't understand point #1, it is an unfinished sentence. "Most of which Iran" what?

ROFL

alpha_omega
09-28-2009, 12:49 PM
6. Russia, for the first time ever, is going to deploy sanctions on Iran.

No way....Russia has too much to lose. They may have said thats what they are going to do, but i am not buying it until i see it.

Amnorix
09-28-2009, 01:27 PM
You guys complain he's too soft, and then when he's not soft, you complain that it won't work. At least you're consistent....I guess.

Iowanian
09-28-2009, 01:42 PM
Obama sucks. Iran Sucks. You suck.

The only thing remotely impressive is your lack of gag reflex on all things Obama.

***SPRAYER
09-28-2009, 01:46 PM
Obama sucks. Iran Sucks. You suck.

The only thing remotely impressive is your lack of gag reflex on all things Obama.

It's surreal.

KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 02:03 PM
No way....Russia has too much to lose. They may have said thats what they are going to do, but i am not buying it until i see it.

They havent employed any sanctions at all. They have finally approved previous sets of sanctions which have done nothing whatsoever to stop Amhabombeveryone and his crazed power grab.

Direckshun
09-28-2009, 02:12 PM
Nor can asking them to average themselves. The hate is biblical in age and this dickhead thinks he can out carter carter and make every buddy pals.

You do not establish yourself as a strong leader by abandoning 50 years of committment to an ally to extend a branch to a war mongering hate filled people who offer nothing in return.

Oh please. Every President we've had for the past 50 years think they can extinguish this sucker, including your two favorite Presidents of the last 25 years.

I'm not saying we can make them like each other anyway. We can't. We can, however, get them to coexist in relative peace in dual states, which anybody with an understanding of the situation knows Jewish settlements in the West Bank severely impedes.

You instead are playing up the One Side Is Infallible and the Other Side Is Evil.

You can't do that in the Middle East and get results. Ever.

Direckshun
09-28-2009, 02:14 PM
No way....Russia has too much to lose. They may have said thats what they are going to do, but i am not buying it until i see it.

I'm pretty much the same way.

But their stated commitment is still the farthest they have ever come.

Iowanian
09-28-2009, 02:24 PM
Linda Lovelace is impressed.

KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 02:25 PM
Oh please. Every President we've had for the past 50 years think they can extinguish this sucker, including your two favorite Presidents of the last 25 years.

I'm not saying we can make them like each other anyway. We can't. We can, however, get them to coexist in relative peace in dual states, which anybody with an understanding of the situation knows Jewish settlements in the West Bank severely impedes.

You instead are playing up the One Side Is Infallible and the Other Side Is Evil.

You can't do that in the Middle East and get results. Ever.

Nations have already done what you asked when they allowed and recognized a terrorist based people in the UN, and it didn't change anything. The Palestinians still took money from Hezbollah to kill innocent women and children at shopping markets and in busses. And Arafat (leader at the time) didn't even condemn the actions when they occurred or when it was proven that groups he belonged to were funding them.

Syria and Iran need Palestine to exist. They know an undeclared war on several fronts is the only way to destroy Israel, which is exactly what they want - regardless of your post above.