With the first pick in the NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select....

[Hoover]

Sure looks that way.

[KCChiefsMan]

another bust

[teedubya]

Is there a DT from LSU available?

[KCinNY]

Some scrub who can't play?

[Silock]

I hope our first pick is in the late 2nd round, because we traded down so much to get more picks. We need talent everywhere. 1 superstar isn't going to do shit.

[Fritz88]

Don't jump too fast. We have Tampa and Cleveland fighting for the first pick.

[milkman]

I hope our first pick is in the late 2nd round, because we traded down so much to get more picks. We need talent everywhere. 1 superstar isn't going to do shit.

No one wants to trade up into the top 5.

Hope dashed, yet again.

[Stanley Nickels]

Russell Okung or Eric Berry (plus O-line the following two rounds AT LEAST) or I'll be irate. PS I'm thinking we draft third or fourth

[Silock]

No one wants to trade up into the top 5.

Hope dashed, yet again.

You never know. Maybe we can trade our 1st for a bundle of talent from somewhere else.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

B5TA

[Bane]

Prob anyone from LSU/ LS LOOSE!!!!

[LaChapelle]

I will give them 5-6 more games for improvement.

[Bowser]

The best offensive lineman out there. And his mom.

[Bane]

Off the subject but Sanchez and the JETS sure looked good playing that don't loose the game football!!!!!ROFL

[Psyko Tek]

No one wants to trade up into the top 5.

Hope dashed, yet again.

that's the truth
who what's jamarcus russel

the need a rookie slot system for first 3 years
you do something then you get paid

[KCChiefsMan]

The best offensive lineman out there. And his mom.

no no no no, you don't draft offensive lineman, you just dont and Mark Sanchez and Matt Ryan are going to suck in the NFL

[the Talking Can]

I hope we draft Tebow.

[DeezNutz]

...someone who was projected to go 25-32.

[BigChiefFan]

Consensus best player, who ever that is. Screw drafting for position.

[Bane]

I hope we draft Tebow.

As stupid as we have been the last 5 years,would that surprise you?

[JuicesFlowing]

Can we trade our #1 pick for 5 good O-linemen? Actually I like Albert ... okay, 4 O-linemen?

[JuicesFlowing]

I hope we draft Tebow.

Why? Cassel is pretty good when he has blocking every 10th play..

[chiefzilla1501]

The best offensive lineman out there. And his mom.

If Albert gets better, then no.

But we need to use at least two picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round on interior linemen.

[Bowser]

I hope we draft Tebow.

He would make a hell of an H-Back in this offense.

[Spott]

I hope we draft Tebow.

That would be the first pick in the 4th round.

[the Talking Can]

Why? Cassel is pretty good when he has blocking every 10th play..


i was kidding

Cassel was fine, he is not our problem

[crazychiefsfan]

I hope we draft Tebow.


Yea thats the answer :rolleyes:

[JuicesFlowing]

That would be the first pick in the 4th round.

LOL yeah

[Bowser]

If Albert gets better, then no.

But we need to use at least two picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round on interior linemen.

Big if. If there is a no-brainer dominant left tackle, take him, move Albert to guard, move Waters to center, move Niswanger to right guard, and take a right tackle in the 4th or so.

[Bowser]

That would be the first pick in the 4th round.

Bullshit. God demands that Timmy Tee go first overall.

[RustShack]

A LT who doesn't get multiple penalties every game. Maybe move our current LT to LG where he belongs.

[Micjones]

Better get used to drafting Offensive Linemen.

[Bowser]

Better get used to drafting Offensive Linemen.

Just as long as they grab some linebackers and receivers along the way.

[Micjones]

Just as long as they grab some linebackers and receivers along the way.

I'm sure they will, but the OL is their priority. HAS to be.

[kcpasco]

Just as long as they grab some linebackers and receivers along the way.

And I wouldnt' mind having a competent safety either

[BigChiefFan]

Russell Okung has my vote at this point. He's considered the best LT prospect at this point and maybe the best player in the draft.

[Thig Lyfe]

WE SHOULD TAKE TIM TEBOW SO HE CAN RUN THE WILDCAT WITH THIGGY!

[kcpasco]

Everyone talks about our Linebackers sucking on D, but the safeties on this team are just as much garbage.

[Bowser]

I'm sure they will, but the OL is their priority. HAS to be.Agreed.

And I wouldnt' mind having a competent safety either
I'm all for picking a guy up in free agency for that. Luckily, we have a little wiggle room under the cap for that, especially next year.

[Bowser]

Everyone talks about our Linebackers sucking on D, but the safeties on this team are just as much garbage.

I'm of the opinion that our safeties are better. Essentially, they are doing TWO jobs - their responsiblies in the called defensive play, and covering for our suckass, non tackling, bad angle taking, wrong gap filling linebackers. They got a lot of shit on their plate.

[BigChiefFan]

Agreed.


I'm all for picking a guy up in free agency for that. Luckily, we have a little wiggle room under the cap for that, especially next year.
I think we will, if the top LT is available when we pick. Albert will have to be moved.

[FloridaMan88]

Does it really matter at this point? And let's stop with the "you can't blame Pioli for this season" garbage.

He had an entire offseason, with high picks in virtually every round of the draft, and a ton of salary cap room to make dramatic improvements to the Chiefs roster and other than adding Cassel he did virtually nothing until the preseason when it was painfully obvious the Chiefs were lacking in the talent department.

Pioli is a fat piece of shit who is nothing more than a Belicheck wannabe until he proves otherwise. And so far he is off to a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE start. If Clark Hunt had half a scrotum (which he doesn't) he'd force Pioli, Denny Thum, Todd Haley and every other "Executive Level" employee within the Chiefs organization to come out tomorrow and apologize to the taxpayers of Jackson County, the Kansas City metro-area and Chiefs fans everywhere for this worthless pile of garbage they have put forth the first month of the season.

It is PATHETIC and HUMILIATING.

[The Bad Guy]

Pioli is a fat piece of shit who is nothing more than a Belicheck wannabe until he proves otherwise. And so far he is off to a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE start. If Clark Hunt had half a scrotum (which he doesn't) he'd force Pioli, Denny Thum, Todd Haley and every other "Executive Level" employee within the Chiefs organization to come out tomorrow and apologize to the taxpayers of Jackson County, the Kansas City metro-area and Chiefs fans everywhere for this worthless pile of garbage they have put forth the first month of the season.

It is PATHETIC and HUMILIATING.

God you are a fucking tard.

Yes, he sucks because he's a fat piece of shit. I'd love to see what type of gem you look like.

[Mr. Laz]

we are better than cleveland

[|Zach|]

we are better than cleveland
And the Rams.

[Saccopoo]

Big if. If there is a no-brainer dominant left tackle, take him, move Albert to guard, move Waters to center, move Niswanger to right guard, and take a right tackle in the 4th or so.

How about move Waters to free agency? Guy is way too slow and missed about 734 blocks today alone. For some weird reason, he seemed to be a lot better when he was surrounded by Roaf and Weigmann.

At this point, after watching this game, I wouldn't mind getting Russ Okung of OSU in the first, Zane Beadles of Utah in the second/third and someone like John Jerry of Ol Miss in the fourth.

[notorious]

I just hope that a one year wonder rises up in the college ranks that gets a lot of NFL teams in a frenzy to get him.


If that happens maybe we can trade down and waste 2 picks instead of one.

[notorious]

How about move Waters to free agency? Guy is way too slow and missed about 734 blocks today alone. For some weird reason, he seemed to be a lot better when he was surrounded by Roaf and Weigmann.

At this point, after watching this game, I wouldn't mind getting Russ Okung of OSU in the first, Zane Beadles of Utah in the second/third and someone like John Jerry of Ol Miss in the fourth.

He only missed 731 1/2 blocks today. When two linemen blow a block on one D-Lineman, they split the FAIL.

[Saccopoo]

He only missed 731 1/2 blocks today. When two linemen blow a block on one D-Lineman, they split the FAIL.

So you are saying that Waters/Albert or Waters/Niswanger missed only seven or so blocks on a defensive lineman? You are a kind hearted, generous person.

[the Talking Can]

Does it really matter at this point? And let's stop with the "you can't blame Pioli for this season" garbage.

He had an entire offseason, with high picks in virtually every round of the draft, and a ton of salary cap room to make dramatic improvements to the Chiefs roster and other than adding Cassel he did virtually nothing until the preseason when it was painfully obvious the Chiefs were lacking in the talent department.

Pioli is a fat piece of shit who is nothing more than a Belicheck wannabe until he proves otherwise. And so far he is off to a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE start. If Clark Hunt had half a scrotum (which he doesn't) he'd force Pioli, Denny Thum, Todd Haley and every other "Executive Level" employee within the Chiefs organization to come out tomorrow and apologize to the taxpayers of Jackson County, the Kansas City metro-area and Chiefs fans everywhere for this worthless pile of garbage they have put forth the first month of the season.

It is PATHETIC and HUMILIATING.

talk about humiliating...oh, and pathetic

[notorious]

So you are saying that Waters/Albert or Waters/Niswanger missed only seven or so blocks on a defensive lineman? You are a kind hearted, generous person.

If a O-Lineman completely wiffs, or doesn't acknowledge a defensive player running right by, is it still considered a missed block?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

As stupid as we have been the last 5 years,would that surprise you?

Not at all. It would be so fitting too. It would be perfect. It would be the icing on this miserable fucking cake.

[Sam Hall]

Reality is setting in for me and I'm pissed that drafting Tyson Jackson means the Chiefs won't draft Ndamukong Suh.

[Bowser]

Reality is setting in for me and I'm pissed that drafting Tyson Jackson means the Chiefs won't draft Ndamukong Suh.

Don't be upset! He'll be waiting for us in the third round.

[Sanka]

Since we got Jackson to line up opposite of Dorsey, we should draft Brandon LaFell to line up opposite of Dwayne Bowe.


Im joking!

[soundmind]

A man we shall call The Solution.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0824/recruit_g_rokung1_600.jpg

Also, we trade Brian Waters, and move Albert down to LG where he becomes a perennial pro-bowler.

[WildTurkey]

Dunlap, Berry, or Mays

[Raptor]

Select the AFC Pro-Bowl Starting Offensive Line.

Oh, we can't do that? Damn!!!!:banghead:

[WildTurkey]

you def can't draft for Position this upcoming year... you have to take the most talented players available regardless, we need some game changers.... hell we should have done that this year

[soundmind]

you def can't draft for Position this upcoming year... you have to take the most talented players available regardless, we need some game changers.... hell we should have done that this year

If that's in response to the Okung posts, I think you're missing the point. He's both of those things. However, I do like what I see in Taylor Mays...

[WildTurkey]

If that's in response to the Okung posts, I think you're missing the point. He's both of those things. However, I do like what I see in Taylor Mays...

No I have no problem with Okung... it was just a desperate plea for some talent on this team

[soundmind]

No I have no problem with Okung... it was just a desperate plea for some talent on this team

This guy certainly peaks some interest in the creation of a legitimate defense...

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[Hammock Parties]

A man we shall call The Solution.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0824/recruit_g_rokung1_600.jpg

Also, we trade Brian Waters, and move Albert down to LG where he becomes a perennial pro-bowler.

The funny thing is if Albert doesn't improve this would actually be a pretty good idea, after all the whining about it this offseason.

[RJ]

Allow me to jump on the "trade down" bandwagon now.

[Mecca]

You aren't going to be able to move a top 5 pick, just deal with that.

[WildTurkey]

This guy certainly peaks some interest in the creation of a legitimate defense...

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Hell yeah... he's a stud.... I wouldn't complain about him or Berry

[WildTurkey]

You aren't going to be able to move a top 5 pick, just deal with that.

This year there are better players in the Top 5 IMO... so I'm not sure trading down would even be that great

[BigChiefFan]

I'll take the LT over the safety, please.

[TrickyNicky]

BPA all day.



Best Punter Available. Anyone else see Colquitt doggin it out there with those 35 yarders? Not going to cut it.

[Mecca]

I'll take the LT over the safety, please.

Yea I take it you haven't seen these guys play.

[WildTurkey]

yeah but if that safety is the second coming of Ed Reed or Sean Taylor... than you cannot pass on them merely because of their position

[Mecca]

Tell me who the better players are because I can point to 3 guys but I dunno who's gonna move for them and frankly if this team moved down to not take one of those guys they deserve to be a shitty franchise.

[The Bad Guy]

If the Chiefs pass on Eric Berry, I will go postal. You just can not find someone who can play center field like him. He's NFL ready. He is the most fundamental safety I think I've ever seen coming out.

Yeah, we need offensive lineman. Find some in free agency and with the 2 second rounders.

Do not fucking pass on Eric Berry.

[Mecca]

Here's what I'll say, if you trade down to get a couple extra picks so you can take Russell Okung instead of Eric Berry, you deserve to suck.

[WildTurkey]

If the Chiefs pass on Eric Berry, I will go postal. You just can not find someone who can play center field like him. He's NFL ready. He is the most fundamental safety I think I've ever seen coming out.

Yeah, we need offensive lineman. Find some in free agency and with the 2 second rounders.

Do not ****ing pass on Eric Berry.

This..... dude can do just about everything back there

[BigChiefFan]

Yea I take it you haven't seen these guys play.I take you haven't seen our O-line play? When there's a player that is considered possibly the best player in the draft and he fills a huge need, you consider that a coup and draft accordingly.

Of course, I've seen both of them play. Highly touted LTs will always go higher than highly touted safteties, especially considering, when the team drafting has a huge need at LT.

[The Bad Guy]

This..... dude can do just about everything back there

The middle of the field wouldn't be open with Eric Berry. That's where the Eagles gashed us was because Page is far too slow in diagnosing plays.

Eric Berry would be an incredible upgrade.

[Mecca]

I take you haven't seen our O-line play? When there's a player that is considered possibly the best player in the draft and he fills a huge need, you consider that a coup and draft accordingly.

Of course, I've seen both of them play. Highly touted LTs will always go higher than highly touted safteties, especially considering, when the team drafting has a huge need at LT.

Sorry you pass on an elite level playmaker for an OT when you can draft an OT a round later, you deserve to be a franchise that is made fun of.

[Mecca]

If anyone here honestly thinks it's a great idea to take Okung or Trent Williams instead of Mays or Berry, you have issues and need help.

[BigChiefFan]

Sorry you pass on an elite level playmaker for an OT when you can draft an OT a round later, you deserve to be a franchise that is made fun of.
Okie is considered the best prospect by many, AHEAD of Mays and Berry.

[Mecca]

Okie is considered the best prospect by many, AHEAD of Mays and Berry.

Anyone who thinks that is a drooling dipshit.

Eric Berry and Taylor Mays are rare prospects that rarely come around. If you want to tell me Carlos Dunlap is a better one I can buy that, the OT's no.

You won't find those 3 guys anywhere else in the draft a capable starting OT can be had in the next round, you don't need a top 5 OT to get it done.

[kcpasco]

With Carr and Flowers and then you add a guy like Berry or Mays to the secondary, OMG the Chiefs might actually have something for other teams to envy.

[Mecca]

Plus the Chiefs constantly get destroyed down the middle, it's not like it's not an issue.

[BigChiefFan]

Anyone who thinks that is a drooling dipshit.

Eric Berry and Taylor Mays are rare prospects that rarely come around. If you want to tell me Carlos Dunlap is a better one I can buy that, the OT's no.

You won't find those 3 guys anywhere else in the draft a capable starting OT can be had in the next round, you don't need a top 5 OT to get it done.I guess Walters is a drooling dipshit, then. Sorry, that somebody disagrees with your precious USC players, but they're both safeties. Quality guys, but tying up top 5 money on a saftey is highly debateable on whether or not it's wise, no matter how good of a PROSPECT. It's so funny to see you act so high and mighty with your picks, as if you're some kind of college player guru. Just because I don't toot my horn on my picks, doesn't make my points any less valid. Great players, but throwing the 1st overall pick on a safety is borderline insanity.

[Mecca]

Eric Berry and Carlos Dunlap play for SC?

Really since when?

Do you think Ed Reed is worth a #1 pick?

[BigChiefFan]

Berry and Mays.

Are just looking for a fight?

[Mecca]

Eric Berry is the best player in the draft, that's the entire premise here.

[FloridaMan88]

Draft a franchise caliber left tackle, move Albert to right tackle and find a starting right guard and center in free agency.

[milkman]

Eric Berry is the best player in the draft, that's the entire premise here.

We take Berry in the first, who do you have in the second?

I haven't watched a lot of Ole Miss, does Greg Hardy transition to an OLB in a 34, or does he not have the speed?

and if we are picking in the #4-#8 range, is Sergio Kindle on your radar?

[Mecca]

We take Berry in the first, who do you have in the second?

I haven't watched a lot of Ole Miss, does Greg Hardy transition to an OLB in a 34, or does he not have the speed?

and if we are picking in the #4-#8 range, is Sergio Kindle on your radar?

I would not play Hardy standing he's 6'5 275 and he's had some foot problems and really has a hard time staying healthy I kind of question him just for his durability problems.

I like Kindle but he has the Texas flag...

One of the OT's will fall to the top of the 2nd and for rush backers I'm a supporter of Ricky Sapp.

[KC kid]

I am all on the eric berry bandwagon. However, it does pain me to think of taking a safety in the top 5.

[Spott]

How sorry is this fucking franchise when we are already waiting on the draft in September?

[FloridaMan88]

The Chiefs are going to have quite the competition for that #1 overall pick with Tampa, Cleveland and St. Louis.

[Red Coater]

we need to make a splash in Free agencey next year and stop waiting for the left overs

[Noss]

Another bust defensive lineman and three other bust defensive players with the following three picks.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs are going to have quite the competition for that #1 overall pick with Tampa, Cleveland and St. Louis.

As long as they leave one of the players we want we're ok.

[Noss]

The Chiefs are going to have quite the competition for that #1 overall pick with Tampa, Cleveland and St. Louis.

You can eliminate Cleveland we are playing them this year. :banghead:

[KC kid]

Will Sam Bradford come out? Where does he factor in?

[Mecca]

Will Sam Bradford come out? Where does he factor in?

After getting hurt I highly doubt he goes back...unless he doesn't play again this year.

[Spott]

It looks like the 1st pick of the draft will be playing in Missouri next year.

[BigChiefFan]

Eric Berry is the best player in the draft, that's the entire premise here.
He's definitely one of the best players in the draft, but ignoring his position as the top overall pick isn't as cut and dry as you make it. Serious consideration has to be taken. That's some serious coin for a safety. ONLY ONE safety has gone as the top overall pick. ONE. That's worthy of healthy debate, not the mud-slinging crap of earlier.

[Mecca]

I don't care about mudslinging but I'm tired of the OL argument, it seems half the board always wants to take a damn offensive lineman with a top 5 pick.

[Chiefnj2]

We take Berry in the first, who do you have in the second?

I haven't watched a lot of Ole Miss, does Greg Hardy transition to an OLB in a 34, or does he not have the speed?

and if we are picking in the #4-#8 range, is Sergio Kindle on your radar?

Norwood outplayed Hardy by a large margin this past Thursday.

[luv]

Will Sam Bradford come out? Where does he factor in?

We do not want Bradford.

[FloridaMan88]

I don't care about mudslinging but I'm tired of the OL argument, it seems half the board always wants to take a damn offensive lineman with a top 5 pick.

Maybe that's because the Chiefs have selected one offensive lineman in the first three rounds of the draft (Albert in 2008) since taking John Tait in the first round 10 years ago.

[Mecca]

Maybe that's because the Chiefs have selected one offensive lineman in the first three rounds of the draft (Albert in 2008) since taking John Tait in the first round 10 years ago.

Great, the Giants have the best OL in the league and they used exactly 0 1st round picks to do it, it's not required.

I don't think you should ever use a top 10 pick on an offensive lineman.

[Coach]

Great, the Giants have the best OL in the league and they used exactly 0 1st round picks to do it, it's not required.

I don't think you should ever use a top 10 pick on an offensive lineman.

With an exception if there is a franchise LT.

[Mecca]

With an exception if there is a franchise LT.

I would still only do that if there was no other player comparable to take.

I believe you build your OL in rounds 2 and on and in FA.

[KC kid]

We do not want Bradford.

I am not saying we want Bradford. I am wondering how coveted he is and what kind of trade value he would have for a team wanting him.

[Mecca]

If you want Berry you can't be trading down, he's a top 5 pick.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I am not saying we want Bradford. I am wondering how coveted he is and what kind of trade value he would have for a team wanting him.

He's no "Woozy Jesus".

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.nationalpost.com/sports/2038485.bin?size=404x272

[WildTurkey]

I can't fathom that after watching Mays and Berry play how you could not want them on your team... if I had the 1st pick in the draft this year I'm picking Berry I couldn't care less that he's a safety

[ChiefsCountry]

Carlos Dunlap is better than both of the safeties. But he is totally worthless to us.

[Mecca]

Carlos Dunlap is better than both of the safeties. But he is totally worthless to us.

Yea I love this change now.

[KC kid]

Why is Dunlap worthless to us?

[Garcia Bronco]

You want Suh

[Mecca]

Why is Dunlap worthless to us?

Cause he's Mario Williams basically, in a 3-4 he's useless. You don't want a 4-3 edge rushing end.

[WildTurkey]

Cause he's Mario Williams basically, in a 3-4 he's useless. You don't want a 4-3 edge rushing end.

exactly... which makes one of the safeties the best option for us in the top 5

[ChiefsCountry]

You want Suh

We have two Suhs already.

[KC kid]

Cause he's Mario Williams basically, in a 3-4 he's useless. You don't want a 4-3 edge rushing end.

Oh yeah. I just looked up his size. When I watch Florida play, he looks more like 270 than 300 pounds..

[philfree]

We'll trade away Waters move Albert to LG and draft a LT with the first pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. :doh!:

PhilFree:arrow:

[ChiefsCountry]

Somebody like Ciron Black with the Atlanta pick would be solid for OL.

[WildTurkey]

you take a playmaker with a top 5 pick.... good lineman can be found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds...

[KC kid]

What is everyone's opinion on Benn out of Illinois? Is he a top ten type talent? Is WR in round one an option?

I think the way it looks now. You go Berry or Mays with the first pick and o Line and wr in round 2. I will shoot anyone that wants to go tight end in the top 3 rounds.

[WildTurkey]

I'm no draft guru... but I like Benn , and the big 12 homer in me likes Dez Bryant but I don't know Id take either one if we're picking as high as I think we will

[KC kid]

Of course, we will probably draft brandon graham

[WildTurkey]

Or Lafell from LSU :doh!:

[tonyetony]

We should select one RB and spend the rest on OL. We need a whole new line. Albert might be serviceable with four new guys that have some talent. Waters isn't getting any younger or better and I really shouldn't have to tell anyone who watched the game today how bad the rest of this line is.

[WildTurkey]

I like Jahvid Best from Cal... but I'm not sure he's worth the pick... running backs have a short shelf life and they seem to be easily found lately.

[KC kid]

If you spend your entire draft on Offensive linemen, you are just like carl peterson. You wait until there is a glaring weakness and then try to fix it at once while another aspect suffers

[WildTurkey]

If you spend your entire draft on Offensive linemen, you are just like carl peterson. You wait until there is a glaring weakness and then try to fix it at once while another aspect suffers

not taking the BPA is why we are in this mess.... shit for just one example look at my avatar... we took DJ cause we "needed" defense and passed on a franchise QB.... and that's just one of several examples

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Put your mocks together, look at each round, and think of the worst possible 180 each of those rounds could take, and there's your 2010 draft.

[BryanBusby]

Best player available that fits within the mold, sans kickers of course for obvious reasons. This team just needs talent in general.

Berry, Suh, Kindle, Dunlap, Okung, Williams, Mays. Take a pick.

[tonyetony]

If you spend your entire draft on Offensive linemen, you are just like carl peterson. You wait until there is a glaring weakness and then try to fix it at once while another aspect suffers

You have good point, but if you have a top 10 OL in the NFL your very rarely kept out of the playoffs.

[kcpasco]

You have good point, but if you have a top 10 OL in the NFL your very rarely kept out of the playoffs.

We went to the playoffs only 1 time with Vermeil, and he had one of the best OL's ever according to some.

[WildTurkey]

You have good point, but if you have a top 10 OL in the NFL your very rarely kept out of the playoffs.

you can get a top ten O-line without using high picks on them... the giants have been mentioned as they are probably the best example... the patriots have built some decent lines in the past as well using late 1st and 2nd rounders

[ChiefsCountry]

You have good point, but if you have a top 10 OL in the NFL your very rarely kept out of the playoffs.

Umm guess the Chiefs in the early part of this decade blows this theory out of the water.

[milkman]

You have good point, but if you have a top 10 OL in the NFL your very rarely kept out of the playoffs.

And if you have a top ten OL with no playmakers, you rarely advance.

[Mecca]

Someone point to me a team that has 2 top 15 picks on the OL on their roster.

[ChiefsCountry]

I would rather have a top 5 defense and top 5 qb than a top 5 ol.

[WildTurkey]

Someone point to me a team that has 2 top 15 picks on the OL on their roster.

I think you will be waiting a while for that one

[Mecca]

The OL stuff is completely overblown around here, the Chiefs should be ripped for not using 2nd and 3rd and 4th round picks on offensive lineman, but 1sts no.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I would rather have a top 5 defense and top 5 qb than a top 5 ol.

(sigh)...This.

[WildTurkey]

I would rather have a top 5 defense and top 5 qb than a top 5 ol.

This..... that seems to be how you build a winner... a great QB can make an average O-line look like a great one

[Mecca]

The offensive line is about coaching, numerous lowly drafted or even undrafted OL become good players...maybe the fact that the Chiefs can't coach offensive lineman is the problem not the number of picks.

[BryanBusby]

The OL stuff is completely overblown around here, the Chiefs should be ripped for not using 2nd and 3rd and 4th round picks on offensive lineman, but 1sts no.

Agreed. This team really needs to figure out how to pluck O-Line talent beyond the first round. Or hell, this team really needs to figure out that yes, there is actually offensive line players eligible to be draft and it's perfectly fine to pick em.

[tonyetony]

Usually when your rebuilding the first thing that is addressed is the OL. We won't do shit until we do address the problem. If we address it through FA then fine, but don't go that route and expect it to come cheap. I'd be fine selecting a new LT in the first and moving Albert. I'd take the best two linemen available with our seconds and if someone falls to the third that should be gone I'd take them as well.

[WildTurkey]

The offensive line is about coaching, numerous lowly drafted or even undrafted OL become good players...maybe the fact that the Chiefs can't coach offensive lineman is the problem not the number of picks.

I also think the lack of a franchise QB has set our O-line back... you need continuity to build a great line... how long have Eli and his O-line been together like 5 seasons? I think that has a great deal to do with their success

[Sam Hall]

I hope they actually get a good trade offer for their first round pick this year. We're so screwed right now, I don't think it would be a good idea to draft a safety with a top 5 pick. That's not what we need if we have to make a huge investment.

[Mecca]

I also think the lack of a franchise QB has set our O-line back... you need continuity to build a great line... how long have Eli and his O-line been together like 5 seasons? I think that has a great deal to do with their success

See unlike us when our line was good the Giants are smart and have foresight..Kareem McKenzie is getting old and Diehl plays well at LT but it's not his natural position so what do they do?

Use a 2 on William Beatty so he can learn to be their LT for a year or 2 before he plays...

[milkman]

Usually when your rebuilding the first thing that is addressed is the OL. We won't do shit until we do address the problem. If we address it through FA then fine, but don't go that route and expect it to come cheap. I'd be fine selecting a new LT in the first and moving Albert. I'd take the best two linemen available with our seconds and if someone falls to the third that should be gone I'd take them as well.

So you're suggesting that the Chiefs use the first 4 picks in the draft on O-Linemen next year?

Is that what I'm reading?

[WildTurkey]

I hope they actually get a good trade offer for their first round pick this year. We're so screwed right now, I don't think it would be a good idea to draft a safety with a top 5 pick. That's not what we need if we have to make a huge investment.

normally I'm with you on the safety front.... but these two are rare players and guys who you would want to have on your team... if we would have had one of them last week against the Raiders... we prob stop the raiders in that last drive and win...

[tonyetony]

If we plan on bringing in more Mike Goffs through free agency, then yes that's what I'm suggesting.

[Mecca]

First round picks should be playmakers, without playmakers you'll never win.

I don't want anymore nice hardworking Tamba Hali's I want playmakers.

[WildTurkey]

First round picks should be playmakers, without playmakers you'll never win.

I don't want anymore nice hardworking Tamba Hali's I want playmakers.

This.... times one million

[milkman]

If we plan on bringing in more Mike Goffs through free agency, then yes that's what I'm suggesting.

If we are planning on bringing in more Mike Goffs through free agency, how do we know they won't bring in more Mike Goffs in the draft?

[tonyetony]

If we are planning on bringing in more Mike Goffs through free agency, how do we know they won't bring in more Mike Goffs in the draft?

There's always that chance but right now we're sitting there waiting to pick off practice squad players for our OL depth. If we don't go after the top tier OL in free agency and spend some cap money we'll never get skill position free agents to sign their career away by coming here and will have to trade picks for them, it's a viscous cycle. We have a shit load of needs on this team but none as glaring as O linemen. If we have have to dedicate four picks to at least try and resolve it then so be it.

[WildTurkey]

call me greedy but I want someone who wins games... makes big plays in big games that decide the outcome.. in my top 5 pick... that's what upset me about the Jackson pick... he could turn out to be a beast but he's never going to be the kind of playmaker you want out of that pick

[alanm]

In order to get the 1st pick the Chiefs will have to out suck the Lambs. They would have to raise their suck to another level. :spock:

[WildTurkey]

In order to get the 1st pick the Chiefs will have to out suck the Lambs. They would have to raise their suck to another level. :spock:

don't forget the Browns... they are right there with us and they are in a Brutal division they might nudge past us

[TrickyNicky]

Someone point to me a team that has 2 top 15 picks on the OL on their roster.

The closest you will get is Carolina with Gross and Otah.

[chiefzilla1501]

First round picks should be playmakers, without playmakers you'll never win.

I don't want anymore nice hardworking Tamba Hali's I want playmakers.

We saw today how important Polamalu is to that Steelers' defense. I'm starting to believe that in 3-4s these days, having a really good safety is about the second surest way to improve a defense (next to having a solid nose tackle).

[WildTurkey]

We saw today how important Polamalu is to that Steelers' defense. I'm starting to believe that in 3-4s these days, having a really good safety is about the second surest way to improve a defense (next to having a solid nose tackle).

this..... had he been healthy you would have to think Pitt wins that game

[soundmind]

This team had better go NUTS on OLine in free agency. I don't care what they want, pay them. Fire all offensive position coaches, rid yourself of most of the defensive coaches as well and get to work. I'd like to see us sign no less than 2 or 3 O-lineman in FA because while draft picks are fun, they're a risk, and more often than not, take far too long to develop.

Addressing the offensive line with proven players would really open up the draft for the aforementioned "playmaker". Do I think a Safety should be considered with the #1 overall selection.....wow, that's hard to even type. But, you have to agree that we need to draft the most playmakinist son of a bitch available, in at least two rounds.

RIVERA FOR DC!!!

[Chiefnj2]

Free agency isn't going to be worth a shit with an uncapped year.

[soundmind]

Free agency isn't going to be worth a shit with an uncapped year.

I'm afraid you're right on that.

Which is one of a handful of reasons I hate Roger Goodell. How could you allow the league to go uncapped, and absolutely ruin a finely-working parity machine (like it will ever be capped again).

A toast:

Here's to collusion and a Chiefs franchise that mirrors the Royals. Spending $15/year on talent, $20M/year on marketing, and lose, and lose, and lose.