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|Zach|
09-28-2009, 06:30 PM
Via Justin Gardner at Donklephant. Source links in post.

http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/

I’m starting to notice some poll numbers that suggest an interesting trend. Basically, Americans aren’t necessarily happy with Obama’s health care plans, but they trust Republicans a LOT less.

Take a recent CBS/NY Times poll as an example:

- 52% of Americans trust Obama to make the right decisions for health, while only 27% feel Republicans are more trustworthy.

- 60% think Obama is trying to work with Republicans. Only 30% think Republicans are trying to do the same.

- Just 30% have a good view of Congressional Repubs. 47% have a favorable view of Dems.

Next, Pew Research polls on the tone of the debate and finds that the majority thinks it’s rude, disrespectful and the GOP’s fault…

http://people-press.org/reports/images/544-1.gif

Then, a WSJ/NBC poll finds that if the health care bill fails…voters will blame Republicans:

More than one in three Americans, 37%, said congressional Republicans will be “most to blame” if the bill fails.
That’s almost four times the 10% of respondents who said President Barack Obama will be to blame, and nearly three times the 16% of respondents who said congressional Democrats will be to blame. Nearly a quarter, 23%, said all three will be to blame.

So why is this happening?

- First, Republicans don’t have viable alternatives and Americans aren’t buying the whole “loyal opposition” schtick. They want real ideas and they’re seeing nothing from the right.

- Second, the “Tea Party/birther/Glenn Beck/Obama is a socialist/racist/nazi/anti-christ” nonsense is wearing out the independents. And it’s not that the Indys think anybody who opposes Obama’s plan are racist. Far from it. But some of the folks in the opposition are CLEARLY prejudiced and Congressional Republicans aren’t calling them out. So voters think they’re cowards.

- Last, Joe Wilson’s “You lie!” scream may have turned him into folk hero on the right, but those two words encapsulated everything that Americans don’t like about the current GOP. That’s not to say that there aren’t genuine, thoughtful conservative voices, but they’re being drowned out by the Joe Wilsons of the world. And after a near cataclysmic economic meltdown last year, voters are having none of it from the Repubs. They want the GOP to play nice, compromise and have a little humility.

KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 06:41 PM
Why do people keep saying the Republicans are offering nothing? Is it that old adage if you tell a lie seven times people will believe it? Counter offers have been on the table for 9 months. A cohesive plan is written and posted. The POTUS has ignored several requests by Rep leaders to meet.
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Brock
09-28-2009, 06:52 PM
I see a lot of conflicting polls on this. I don't think as many people want government health care as Obama and company think.

Garcia Bronco
09-28-2009, 06:56 PM
People don't like the GOP and people don't like all the ideas being floated on healthcare. Seems straight forward to me. In fact the two don't really even make a comparison towards any results that can tell you anything other than what I typed above.

BigRedChief
09-28-2009, 07:03 PM
Wait a mintue. shtsprayer says there is only 18% approval for health care reform? Have you shown him this?
I'm against any government run health care system. But, if the Republicans think the dropping of Obama's #'s = good for them. they are mistaken, I just don't see that happening.

googlegoogle
09-28-2009, 07:10 PM
Democrats prove that they can't lead and that they're a fractured party.

Why do Democrats care what Republicans think? You have the numbers. LOL.

RJ
09-28-2009, 07:20 PM
I fit right in with those poll numbers. While I don't completely trust the Obama plan and think they are fudging some numbers, my trust in anything the Republicans offer is so low as to be nonexistent.

Basically, I think they're all lying, but I think the dems are lying less.

Sad state of affairs.

petegz28
09-28-2009, 07:28 PM
60% of the people have no clue and would not be able to tell you at all how Obama has tried to work with Repubs. He just said it in a speech so they believe it. Obama has not met with Repubs on Hc since April.

The other problem with this poll is people who favor Obama are not aware obviously of what is in the proposed legislation, since he says one thing and the Dems say another.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-28-2009, 07:28 PM
I fit right in with those poll numbers. While I don't completely trust the Obama plan and think they are fudging some numbers, my trust in anything the Republicans offer is so low as to be nonexistent.

Basically, I think they're all lying, but I think the dems are lying less.

Sad state of affairs.

At least the Republicans are in your face and up front, whereas World leader consistently says one thing and does another.

petegz28
09-28-2009, 07:29 PM
I fit right in with those poll numbers. While I don't completely trust the Obama plan and think they are fudging some numbers, my trust in anything the Republicans offer is so low as to be nonexistent.

Basically, I think they're all lying, but I think the dems are lying less.

Sad state of affairs.

That is as about as idiotic as it gets. You don't trust Repubs for no reason other than they are Repubs, regardless of what they may or may not be proposing.
And how are the Dems lying less when Obama says one thing about the bill and the Dems write another into it?:doh!:

BigRedChief
09-28-2009, 07:32 PM
Progressives fight back:
http://healthcarecantwait.com/

KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 07:33 PM
That is as about as idiotic as it gets. You don't trust Repubs for no reason other than they are Repubs, regardless of what they may or may not be proposing.
And how are the Dems lying less when Obama says one thing about the bill and the Dems write another into it?:doh!:
I agree.. you didn't bang my sister as hard as he did, so I like you more
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KCWolfman
09-28-2009, 07:35 PM
Progressives fight back:
http://healthcarecantwait.com/
I would think my idea is probably not the right one if I control majority in both houses as well as the WH and I still have to campaign it down the consumers throats after months of them saying "no!"
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RJ
09-28-2009, 07:39 PM
That is as about as idiotic as it gets. You don't trust Repubs for no reason other than they are Repubs, regardless of what they may or may not be proposing.
And how are the Dems lying less when Obama says one thing about the bill and the Dems write another into it?:doh!:



You got all of that out of my post, huh?

Damn, you must be a really smart guy.

ChiefaRoo
09-28-2009, 07:40 PM
There are no Republicans to be against. This is all the Democrats show.

At this point it boils down to this.

1) Either you're for reforming healthcare without blowing it up first.

or

2) You want to blow it up and have the Govt. re-create the whole show (I.e. Public option, monstrous bureaucracy, fines for families who don't buy healthcare, illegals can participate)


Do you Dems really want politicians and Govt. desk jockeys to run this show? Really?