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Direckshun
10-02-2009, 09:47 AM
Silver lining for supporters of the public option: Wyden and Rockefeller may have failed in getting a public option added to the Finance committee's healthcare reform bill, but Wyden just had a state-to-state experimentation amendment added to the Finance committee with absolutely nobody reporting on it. Except apparently for Ezra Klein and The New Republic's health reform blog, which seem to be the only two outlets who are willing to follow this bear through Congress every step of the way.

Wyden's amendment would allow the national-coops to be the default healthcare reform of the entire country, but it would permit states to experiment upward if they so felt like it. States could therefore introduce their own public options (which they could then combine with other states if they so wished...) and it would even permit states to tinker with a single-payer system.

If the public option cannot be enacted, then I absolutely love this idea. This permits our own country to watch as single-payer and public option states do their damnedest to lower costs while mere coops states can observe.

This is a good-to-great compromise if the public option cannot survive the Senate.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/can-states-take-care-the-public-option#

Can States Do the Public Option?
Jonathan Cohn
October 1, 2009 | 2:54 pm

The latest wrinkle in the public option debate (via Politico initially) is a proposal that comes from Senator Tom Carper, the Delaware Democrat that sits on the Finance committee. According to the proposal's latest draft, which Carper's staff is circulating but--I'm told--Carper himself is not really hawking yet, the idea is to let states set up their own alternative coverage options. Those options include starting a non-profit co-operative, opening up the benefits plan for state employees, or, yes, starting a real public plan.

There's no trigger, at least in the document I've seen. All it would take would be action by a state legislature, signed by that state's governor. And states would be free to join with other states and create joint plans.

But there would be various restrictions: A state couldn't create a public plan that tied reimbursements to federal Medicare rates (even with a higher percentage added on) and they couldn't compel providers to participate. In these respects, states would be free to create relatively weak public plans--like the compromise measure Senator Charles Schumer has proposed--but not relatively strong ones--like the version Senator Jay Rockefeller has put forward.

One interesting question is whether the proposal is already redundant, thanks to an amendment that another member of the Finance committee, Ron Wyden, introduced that Chairman Max Baucus accepted before the hearings even began.

It's Wyden amendment C8, which appears on page two of the modified bill Baucus introduced formally for markup:

Amend Title I, Subtitle A to allow a State to be granted a waiver if the state applies to the Secretary to provide health care coverage that is at least as comprehensive as required under the Chairman’s Mark. States may seek a waiver through a process similar to Medicaid and CHIP. If the State submits a waiver to the Secretary, the Secretary must respond no later than 180 days and if the Secretary refuses to grant a waiver, the Secretary must notify the State and Congress about why the waiver was not granted. – Insert at the end of b)(1) ―and with citizen input through a referenda or similar means;‖ – In b)(2) strike ―a‖ and insert ―this‖ – Insert b)(4) ―the State submits a ten-year budget for the plan that is budget neutral to the Federal government.‖ – Insert at the beginning of c)(2) GRANTING OF WAIVER.— The Secretary shall approve the plan only if it meets criteria consistent with that of the America’s Healthy Future Act, including that it shall lower health care spending growth, improve the delivery system performance, provide affordable choices for all its citizens, expand protections against excessive out-of-pocket spending, provides coverage to the same number of uninsured and not increase the Federal deficit.

What does the gobbledygook mean? Wyden's staff says it's designed to encourage state experimentation. I haven't yet gotten an official reading from Finance Committee staff on their interpretation.

But my own reading, which I've run by a few analysts, is that it gives states the ability to implement coverage schemes that bolster coverage, control costs, and improve quality at least as well--and hopefully better than--the Senate Finance bill. That would include creating a public option. (You could even read it to allow a state-based single-payer plan.) So it's the Carper amendment, but without the restrictions.

The catch is that the secretary of HHS would be the arbiter of whether state proposals met those criteria. Liberals I consulted said the proposal worried them because it'd open the door to scaling back existing programs that serve the poor. In other words, imagine what happens in 2022, when the governor of Idaho petitions the federal government for permission to gut Medicaid--and President Sarah Palin tells her HHS Secretary to give the go-ahead.

Another problem that the Carper and Wyden proposals seem to share is that they envision many different state plans. A public plan works better, maybe a lot better, if it's national scale.

Still, it's an interesting idea--and interesting to see Wyden behind it. Public option proponents have been among those attacking Wyden in the last few months, because his Healthy Americans Act doesn't include a public option. But he always indicated he was not opposed to the idea. And when the idea came up for an actual vote this week, he voted with the majority of Democrats, in favor of not just Schumer's but also Rockefeller's strong version, as well.

petegz28
10-02-2009, 09:54 AM
Lindsey Graham has talked about trying different methods with diefferent states to see what works best. Guess who shot that down several weeks ago?

Direckshun
10-02-2009, 09:56 AM
Lindsey Graham has talked about trying different methods with diefferent states to see what works best. Guess who shot that down several weeks ago?

Well that short description you just gave of Graham's idea can have many incarnations. Some of them good, some of them not so good.

For supporters of the public option, and especially supporters of single-payer who are getting the best shot evar with the Wyden amendment here, this seems to be a great shot at giving it a try.

Edit: I know very little about Graham's proposal.

KCWolfman
10-02-2009, 11:44 AM
Sounds good to me.

Providers are not required to sign contracts with any payor at this time. They can deny the insurance just as most don't accept state Medicaids at this time.

Direckshun
10-02-2009, 01:30 PM
Sounds good to me.

It's over. We can stop the healthcare debate now.

KCW and I have come to terms on reform.

Everybody can just talk about the Olympics now.

wild1
10-02-2009, 01:34 PM
If only TennCare could be everywhere. That would be great. :rolleyes:

jiveturkey
10-02-2009, 03:22 PM
I haven't really been following this too closely so all of this may have been addressed.

Why haven't the dems dangled a carrot or two in front of the repubs? Throw in tort reform and the cross state line idea of buying insurance. Those seem like ideas that constantly get tossed around by the right.

Drop the public option idea. It's a turd floating in the pool and everyone except for a handful of retards are swimming away from it. Push for individual plans that can compete with large group plans and get rid of the pre-existing condition rules. Can't they make the individual pool a large group of it's own? Give the individuals a tax break that's similar to what an employer would get. If your employer has a bitchin' plan, take it. If you've shopped around and found a more bitchin' plan in another state, take that one.

I'm pretty sure that I just fixed healthcare. I'll be accepting rep throughout the weekend.

I just get the feeling that they're trying to come up with a plan that pisses off everyone. Why can't these stupid parties ever meet in the middle? That's where most of us live.

Direckshun
10-02-2009, 06:46 PM
I haven't really been following this too closely so all of this may have been addressed.

Why haven't the dems dangled a carrot or two in front of the repubs? Throw in tort reform and the cross state line idea of buying insurance. Those seem like ideas that constantly get tossed around by the right.

Well I agree with you 100% on tort reform. Let's engage the idea. Obama met them halfway, but I'm game enough to say let's just toss it in there, because it's not going to do anybody any harm.

As per the "cross state line" idea, I'll just assume you're not aware of the issue because you just admitted that you haven't been following this too much, but the Exchange is that idea. Baucus' bill actually has the most aggressive Exchange.

Drop the public option idea. It's a turd floating in the pool and everyone except for a handful of retards are swimming away from it. Push for individual plans that can compete with large group plans and get rid of the pre-existing condition rules. Can't they make the individual pool a large group of it's own? Give the individuals a tax break that's similar to what an employer would get. If your employer has a bitchin' plan, take it. If you've shopped around and found a more bitchin' plan in another state, take that one.

What you initially described is a co-ops plan that is central to the Baucus bill.

Wyden introduced another amendment to give individuals a share of the tax break they offer to employers. I don't recall if it was accepted, but it is a very good idea.

KCWolfman
10-03-2009, 12:39 AM
It's over. We can stop the healthcare debate now.

KCW and I have come to terms on reform.

Everybody can just talk about the Olympics now.

You realize less people will choose the public option than Medicaid if that is the case. After all, providers simply won't sign up for it due to insufficient return on services.

HonestChieffan
10-03-2009, 06:18 AM
As I understand it this was denied by Sen Baucus and was never even considered.