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Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 04:45 PM
Man...sure glad we didn't draft him...he looks terrible.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 04:46 PM
Belichick is a genius man...Hoyer > Sanchez and he wasn't even DRAFTED!

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 04:46 PM
If Sanchez were on the Chiefs, would we be 0-6?

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 04:47 PM
Heath Shuler Sanchez sucks
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Pablo
10-18-2009, 04:47 PM
He's certainly having an exceptionally poor showing today...and I haven't seen RoR in a while...

LaChapelle
10-18-2009, 04:47 PM
10 yard penality for baiting.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 04:47 PM
Jets are winning...yet Sanchez is 5-17 for 64 yards and 3 INT's....hilarious...if Cassel did that...would we be winning?

KC kid
10-18-2009, 04:50 PM
I don't see how you can blame Cassel for too much. If he was throwing picks, people would want him to eat it. If he was throwing it away, people would want him to take a shot. If he was taking sacks, people would want mark sanchez.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 04:51 PM
Sanchez has played awesome.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 04:51 PM
He better get his shit together, the talent around him can only carry him so far; even against an abysmal Buffalo team.

Bearcat
10-18-2009, 04:52 PM
Before today, his QB rating was about what Eli Manning had his first four seasons.... so all Sanchez has to do is wait for the talent around him to develop and win him a SB, then everyone will think he's a great QB.

Changing his name to Mark Manning would help, too.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 04:53 PM
Sanchez isn't horrible. But hopefully this at least puts to rest the ridiculous idea that the Chiefs completely whiffed by not taking Sanchez. And it does raise the interesting question about how well Sanchez can play in the conditions. I mentioned in another thread that one of the top things scouts look for in a quarterback is their ability to throw a ball that cuts through the conditions.

Is it possible that wind could be Sanchez's achilles heel? In a lot of games I've seen, Sanchez throws a lot of lofty balls. If he's going to throw in New York and the AFC East, he's going to be dealing with wind. A lot. Should be interesting to see if this is something he can adjust to.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 04:54 PM
Before today, his QB rating was about what Eli Manning had his first four seasons.... so all Sanchez has to do is wait for the talent around him to develop and win him a SB, then everyone will think he's a great QB.

Changing his name to Mark Manning would help, too.LMAO

Pink Paradise 2010
10-18-2009, 04:54 PM
he is good, he just has his good times, and his bad times :)

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 04:54 PM
Today Brady threw for 380 yards, right? As good as he was today he didn't throw for 400. 400 is a lot of yards. Matt Cassel did it 2 games in a row last year. Not saying he's Joe Montana or Tom Brady, but it shows what Matt Cassel is capable of. What has Mark Sanchez shown to make anyone think he is or can be as good as Cassel?
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keg in kc
10-18-2009, 04:55 PM
If Sanchez were on the Chiefs, would we be 0-6?Possibly. Or 1-5. They wouldn't have won any more games with him than they have without him. Quarterback is not at issue on this team right now.

I'd further postulate that if Cassel was on the Jets, they'd be 5-0.

But he's not. At least not here in the real world.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 04:55 PM
I don't even know why the Jets would throw the ball again in this game...they can run all fucking day long. Why risk the INT's against a team they're clearly much better than?

BCD
10-18-2009, 04:56 PM
LMAO I knew this thread was coming. He's a rookie. This was bound to happen.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 04:56 PM
Almost the 4th INT.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 04:56 PM
Sanchez isn't horrible. But hopefully this at least puts to rest the ridiculous idea that the Chiefs completely whiffed by not taking Sanchez. And it does raise the interesting question about how well Sanchez can play in the conditions. I mentioned in another thread that one of the top things scouts look for in a quarterback is their ability to throw a ball that cuts through the conditions.

Is it possible that wind could be Sanchez's achilles heel? In a lot of games I've seen, Sanchez throws a lot of lofty balls. If he's going to throw in New York and the AFC East, he's going to be dealing with wind. A lot. Should be interesting to see if this is something he can adjust to.

Yes, these questions are almost always settled by week 6 of a QB's rookie season. What makes Sanchez's performance all the more damning, however, is Cassel's exemplary game earlier today.

No way the Chiefs would have won without his crisp play.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 04:57 PM
LMAO I knew this thread was coming. He's a rookie. This was bound to happen.Eh, after the incessant ball-washing; you'd have to expect reactionary threads like this to pop up.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 04:58 PM
Before today, his QB rating was about what Eli Manning had his first four seasons.... so all Sanchez has to do is wait for the talent around him to develop and win him a SB, then everyone will think he's a great QB.

Changing his name to Mark Manning would help, too.

I think Sanchez is doing a lot of the same things as Eli, and you certainly can't judge him on a bad game in his rookie season. He'll be a fine QB. It's just a nice wake up call to all the ridiculous claims that he's hands down a far superior QB to Cassel.

Then again, it'll again be interesting to track how he looks playing in the conditions.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 04:59 PM
Yes, these questions are almost always settled by week 6 of a QB's rookie season. What makes Sanchez's performance all the more damning, however, is Cassel's exemplary game earlier today.

No way the Chiefs would have won without his crisp play.

I realize this post is sarcastic, but Cassel looked like John Elway compared to Sanchez today.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:00 PM
I think Sanchez is doing a lot of the same things as Eli, and you certainly can't judge him on a bad game in his rookie season. He'll be a fine QB. It's just a nice wake up call to all the ridiculous claims that he's hands down a far superior QB to Cassel.

Then again, it'll again be interesting to track how he looks playing in the conditions.

Most of the claims I've seen have stated that he unquestionably has greater upside, which was and is true.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:00 PM
Yes, these questions are almost always settled by week 6 of a QB's rookie season. What makes Sanchez's performance all the more damning, however, is Cassel's exemplary game earlier today.

No way the Chiefs would have won without his crisp play.

That's right he threw 3 Interceptions didn't he? Oh wait.....
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Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:01 PM
I think Sanchez is doing a lot of the same things as Eli, and you certainly can't judge him on a bad game in his rookie season. He'll be a fine QB. It's just a nice wake up call to all the ridiculous claims that he's hands down a far superior QB to Cassel.

Then again, it'll again be interesting to track how he looks playing in the conditions.Only total idiots are claiming he's a far superior QB to Cassel already.

He's a rookie. He's gonna have bad games. But he just looks like absolute dogshit in this particular game and in the NO game. I expect him to be a fine QB in this league; but I don't ever care to root for his success like some posters do.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:01 PM
When Cassel was this age, he was a third string TE and part time STer in college. He wasn't starting in the NFL.

He's been abysmal today. Awful. But it's his sixth start. I think I'll wait before taking Costanza's advice on QB play.

mlyonsd
10-18-2009, 05:01 PM
LMAO I knew this thread was coming. He's a rookie. This was bound to happen.

And he could still win this. But let us have fun for now.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:02 PM
I realize this post is sarcastic, but Cassel looked like John Elway compared to Sanchez today.

Nonsense. I just flipped on the Jets game. Saw the 3rd INT, which had as much to do with Edwards as it did Sanchez. Putting the ball up for a playmaker? Terrible, terrible decision.

Cassel looked like complete shit today.

But, for the sake of argument, better than bad does not equal good.

Crush
10-18-2009, 05:02 PM
Dangerous throw by Sanchez.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:02 PM
That's right he threw 3 Interceptions didn't he? Oh wait.....
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You're right. He just had another one of those 300-yard games which you often alluded to. Oh, wait...

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:02 PM
Most of the claims I've seen have stated that he unquestionably has greater upside, which was and is true.
No it isn't. You guys say that but its based on nothing other than he's 22. He had one hyped up year at USC. When was this brilliance ever put on display?
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KC kid
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
4 ints

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
well that was a good pass

Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Nonsense. I just flipped on the Jets game. Saw the 3rd INT, which had as much to do with Edwards as it did Sanchez. Putting the ball up for a playmaker? Terrible, terrible decision.

Cassel looked like complete shit today.

But, for the sake of argument, better than bad does not equal good.Putting the ball up for a playmaker; into the wind and into double coverage is a terrible decision.

And there's another INT.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Intersanchez!!!!!
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mlyonsd
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
What a DA for catching that. Must be a contract thing.

LaChapelle
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Trent Green sends kisses. Pro-bowl DB kisses.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Nonsense. I just flipped on the Jets game. Saw the 3rd INT, which had as much to do with Edwards as it did Sanchez. Putting the ball up for a playmaker? Terrible, terrible decision.

Cassel looked like complete shit today.

But, for the sake of argument, better than bad does not equal good.

:spock:

So, you just flipped on the game, but can state that he hasn't played exponentially worse than Cassel today?

OK.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:03 PM
When Cassel was this age, he was a third string TE and part time STer in college. He wasn't starting in the NFL.

He's been abysmal today. Awful. But it's his sixth start. I think I'll wait before taking Costanza's advice on QB play.

whoa whoa whoa whoa....

If this were the Chiefs QB and a Carl pick....

I doubt this would be your reaction.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 05:04 PM
Yes, these questions are almost always settled by week 6 of a QB's rookie season. What makes Sanchez's performance all the more damning, however, is Cassel's exemplary game earlier today.

No way the Chiefs would have won without his crisp play.

Really? That's funny, because so many of his supporters were quick to annoint him as a stud in the making after 5 games. Look, a lot of Chiefs' fans have been screaming up and down about how the Chiefs made an astronomically horrible decision by passing up Sanchez over Cassel. After only 5 games!

I've said a million times that I think Sanchez will ultimately be better than Cassel, but it's ridiculous to make that judgment based on a few games in entirely different team situations.

I never said here that this is a ringing endorsement for Cassel. And I've never made any kind of an indictment on Sanchez. I'm just criticizing the ridiculous Cassel critics who scream at the top of their lungs about how Sanchez was such an outstanding QB and Cassel is just plain lousy.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:04 PM
well that was a good pass

And it's a pass you make every time on 4th down. Unlike Cassel, who in the same situation today, held on to the ball rather than forcing it in on 4th down, and it cost us a potential 1st down, points, and at worst would have led to them getting the ball pinned farther back.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:05 PM
:spock:

So, you just flipped on the game, but can state that he hasn't played exponentially worse than Cassel today?

OK.

Did I say that?

Don't use such ridiculous hyperbole in your comparison, and I won't call nonsense.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:06 PM
so...

Sanchez >>>>> Cassel

?

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:06 PM
You're right. He just had another one of those 300-yard games which you often alluded to. Oh, wait...

He plays on the Kansas City Chiefs. If he was on Jets he would have a few 300 yard games by now. Sanchez has a running game, an OL, and a defense and he still SUCKS.
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DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:06 PM
Really? That's funny, because so many of his supporters were quick to annoint him as a stud in the making after 5 games. Look, a lot of Chiefs' fans have been screaming up and down about how the Chiefs made an astronomically horrible decision by passing up Sanchez over Cassel. After only 5 games!

I've said a million times that I think Sanchez will ultimately be better than Cassel, but it's ridiculous to make that judgment based on a few games in entirely different team situations.

I never said here that this is a ringing endorsement for Cassel. And I've never made any kind of an indictment on Sanchez. I'm just criticizing the ridiculous Cassel critics who scream at the top of their lungs about how Sanchez was such an outstanding QB and Cassel is just plain lousy.

Your last line is reductive, thus obscuring a shit ton.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:07 PM
Did I say that?

Don't use such ridiculous hyperbole in your comparison, and I won't call nonsense.

OK. Instead of saying anything about Cassel then, I will just say that Sanchez has looked like Jamarcus Russel without the arm strength today. And that isn't any kind of hyperbole.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:07 PM
so...

Sanchez >>>>> Cassel

?

When this team is at the point of a rebuild chronologically where they should be able to compete?

Absolutely.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 05:07 PM
He plays on the Kansas City Chiefs. If he was on Jets he would have a few 300 yard games by now. Sanchez has a running game, an OL, and a defense and he still SUCKS.
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Dude, don't be ridiculous. He doesn't suck.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:09 PM
Btw, not every rookie qb sucks this bad. Ryan didn't. Flacco didn't. Ben didn't. Stafford hasn't. Face it, Sanchez was overhyped and just not that good. Pioli knew that and knew he couldn't get Stafford. So he got Cassel.
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DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:09 PM
OK. Instead of saying anything about Cassel then, I will just say that Sanchez has looked like Jamarcus Russel without the arm strength today. And that isn't any kind of hyperbole.

The stat line is beyond bad. But, fundamentally, has he looked like a complete fucking mess?

If so, I'd be on board with the JR analogy. My guess, probably not.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:09 PM
Dude, don't be ridiculous. He doesn't suck.

His arm strength is a major question mark IMO. And the playing conditions in NY will be interesting for that too. His strength is supposed to be decision making and the intangibles. Games like this most definitely put that into question. He also fumbled (again) today, and luckily recovered it himself. No one was even around him when that happened. His ball security has absolutely sucked so far.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:10 PM
The stat line is beyond bad. But, fundamentally, has he looked like a complete ****ing mess?

If so, I'd be on board with the JR analogy. My guess, probably not.

Yes, he has looked completely lost. His arm strength hasn't been close to adequate on anything outside the numbers or downfield. And he has made awful decisions. It has been brutal.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:10 PM
Dude, don't be ridiculous. He doesn't suck.

Based on his play he sure does. What's his qb rating now, 24 or something?
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DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:10 PM
I'd love to see the reactions of the KC fans if we ever drafted and attempted to develop a legit QB prospect, a round-one guy.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:10 PM
Dude, don't be ridiculous. He doesn't suck.

That's the beauty of these dumbasses.

Everything is a strawman, a false choice, correlation implying causation, or any other myriad of logical fallacies and misrepresentation.

Oh, and people who liked Sanchez as a prospect never criticize anything he does, or ever praise Cassel because they hate the Chiefs.

mlyonsd
10-18-2009, 05:12 PM
Dude, don't be ridiculous. He doesn't suck.

You're correct. He doesn't suck. I just want him to completely look like Todd Blackledge.

Mr. Flopnuts
10-18-2009, 05:13 PM
Fuckin INTchez ballwashers.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:13 PM
I'd love to see the reactions of the KC fans if we ever drafted and attempted to develop a legit QB prospect, a round-one guy.

If there was one available they would have done so.
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DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:13 PM
That's the beauty of these dumbasses.

Everything is a strawman, a false choice, correlation implying causation, or any other myriad of logical fallacies and misrepresentation.

Oh, and people who liked Sanchez as a prospect never criticize anything he does, or ever praise Cassel because they hate the Chiefs.

The next time a QB, any QB, goes in a shell, refuses to push the ball, or makes an atrocious mental mistake, Cassel will be an appropriate verb, apparently.

Because that would be intellectually honest.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:13 PM
When this team is at the point of a rebuild chronologically where they should be able to compete?

Absolutely.

So Sanchez gets a pass playing on a...CLEARLY...SUPERIOR...TEAM...but Cassel...he's a never was who will never be?

Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:13 PM
You're correct. He doesn't suck. I just want him to completely look like Todd Blackledge.I'll second this.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:14 PM
So Sanchez gets a pass playing on a...CLEARLY...SUPERIOR...TEAM...but Cassel...he's a never was who will never be?

HE'S A ROOKIE, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER, NOT A 27 YEAR OLD IN HIS FIFTH NFL SEASON.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:14 PM
He's 22 you can't criticize him!! He's 22 you can't criticize him!!!
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DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:14 PM
You're correct. He doesn't suck. I just want him to completely look like Todd Blackledge.

Because?

EyePod
10-18-2009, 05:15 PM
I don't see how you can blame Cassel for too much. If he was throwing picks, people would want him to eat it. If he was throwing it away, people would want him to take a shot. If he was taking sacks, people would want mark sanchez.

He missed a bunch of throws to DBowe, and Dbowe saved him on two. Bowe also dropped two easy ones, but I'd say that Cassel f'd up more than DBowe did.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:15 PM
Please suck, please suck, please suck, please suck...

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:15 PM
Because?

I want him to look awful because that will mean that the Chiefs made a good decision by not picking him.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:16 PM
HE'S A ROOKIE, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER, NOT A 27 YEAR OLD IN HIS FIFTH NFL SEASON.

He hasn't played 5 seasons you dumb motherfucker. He had a guy named Tom Brady in front of him for 4 years.
It doesn't change the fact he produced in the NFL and Sanchez hasn't done SHIT.
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chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 05:16 PM
Btw, not every rookie qb sucks this bad. Ryan didn't. Flacco didn't. Ben didn't. Stafford hasn't. Face it, Sanchez was overhyped and just not that good. Pioli knew that and knew he couldn't get Stafford. So he got Cassel.
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Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning all had below average first seasons. And Joe Flacco had a less than 65 QB rating in 4 of his first 5 starts. The majority of QBs struggle in their first season. And give me a break, Stafford gets credit for 1 pretty good game in the season (the other game, he gained a ton of yards in garbage time against Chicago)?

You're being an idiot on this one. The only reason Sanchez is being overhyped is because a lot of Chiefs' fans have treated him like the second coming of Jesus. He still has a chance to be a very good QB.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:17 PM
Because?He doesn't play for the Chiefs. Why should I have any vested interest in his success?

Sure, I'd love to watch him flourish and win multiple SB's with an AFC competitor...or fucking not.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:17 PM
I want him to look awful because that will mean that the Chiefs made a good decision by not picking him.

Perhaps, but that's the risk any organization, save the Chiefs, must be willing to take.

And Cassel better damn well perform. Thus far, he's been sub-par, at best.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:17 PM
HE'S A ROOKIE, YOU DUMB MOTHER****ER, NOT A 27 YEAR OLD IN HIS FIFTH NFL SEASON.

So...

A rookie with 4 OL that were former 1st round picks...a former 1st round pick RB...a former #3 overall WR...all the talent around him in the world...gets a pass...

BUT

Matt Cassel...with the shittiest supporting cast of all time...a guy who hasn't thrown a pick in 4 games...

Can't hold Sanchez' jock?!

Hilarious.

I guess taking Vernon Gholston over Matt Ryan wasn't a fluke for you...LMAO

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:18 PM
He doesn't play for the Chiefs. Why should I have any vested interest in his success?

Sure, I'd love to watch him flourish and win multiple SB's with an AFC competitor...or ****ing not.

I don't root against any individual players in the league, save for anyone affiliated with Denver.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:18 PM
Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning all had below average first seasons. And Joe Flacco had a less than 65 QB rating in 4 of his first 5 starts. The majority of QBs struggle in their first season. And give me a break, Stafford gets credit for 1 pretty good game in the season (the other game, he gained a ton of yards in garbage time against Chicago)?

You're being an idiot on this one. The only reason Sanchez is being overhyped is because a lot of Chiefs' fans have treated him like the second coming of Jesus. He still has a chance to be a very good QB.
Based on what?? One overhyped college season and the media snowball last April?
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Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:19 PM
Maybe Pioli could trade a 7th for Gholston to make Hamas happy...

Would that make you happy little guy?

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:19 PM
Perhaps, but that's the risk any organization, save the Chiefs, must be willing to take.

And Cassel better damn well perform. Thus far, he's been sub-par, at best.

OK, but it's not difficult to figure out why people would be rooting for the guy who the Chiefs passed on to fail. Most on this board are, afterall, fans of the Chiefs.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:20 PM
He held on to the ball too long!!!! He held on to the ball to long!!!!!!!
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mlyonsd
10-18-2009, 05:21 PM
So...

A rookie with 4 OL that were former 1st round picks...a former 1st round pick RB...a former #3 overall WR...all the talent around him in the world...gets a pass...

BUT

Matt Cassel...with the shittiest supporting cast of all time...a guy who hasn't thrown a pick in 4 games...

Can't hold Sanchez' jock?!

Hilarious.

I guess taking Vernon Gholston over Matt Ryan wasn't a fluke for you...LMAO

That's reality right there.

Miles
10-18-2009, 05:21 PM
Maybe Pioli could trade a 7th for Gholston to make Hamas happy...

Would that make you happy little guy?

He was drafted by the Belichick coaching tree so he would likely complain about the lack of variety.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:21 PM
Third and 24 and he throws for 8!!!! What an ass hole!!!!!!
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DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:21 PM
OK, but it's not difficult to figure out why people would be rooting for the guy who the Chiefs passed on to fail. Most on this board are, afterall, fans of the Chiefs.

For many, I'm guessing that it has far more to do with who wanted the team to select Sanchez.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:21 PM
Well, I guess that was a very "Cassel-like" drive for Sanchez. Except for running backwards 14 yards prior to being sacked.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:22 PM
OK, but it's not difficult to figure out why people would be rooting for the guy who the Chiefs passed on to fail. Most on this board are, afterall, fans of the Chiefs.Pretty much.

I'm a Chiefs fan. Bottom line. I'm not rooting for Matt Ryan each week. Or Joe Flacco. Or Matt Stafford. Because they don't play for the Chiefs. I'm not going to praise their enormous upside and what they could become; because they don't play for the Chiefs. I don't want them to win any SB's. Because I'd like the Chiefs to win them all, from now until forever.

Some folks are actively rooting for Sanchez...pulling for him to be successful...and WTF for? What good does that do the Chiefs?

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 05:22 PM
Perhaps, but that's the risk any organization, save the Chiefs, must be willing to take.

And Cassel better damn well perform. Thus far, he's been sub-par, at best.

This is the part I don't understand. Sanchez got a TON of credit for doing some impressive things, but mostly being a little erratic... but he won games. Now that his defense is giving up some scores late in the games, suddenly, the "Sanchez just knows how to win games" argument doesn't apply. Meanwhile, Cassel has done a lot of the same things as Sanchez. He's been largely ineffective most of the game, but in the three games the defense kept the opposing offense honest, Cassel engineered go-ahead drives in each of those games late in the game.

Let's face it. The ONLY reason there was so much Sanchez ball-washing was because he won games. Now that he's not, it's becoming extremely clear that the two are having very similar seasons production-wise.

What is the definition of subpar, really? Because Big Ben's game has always been about managing the game early, letting the defense put them in the position to win games, and then making some big plays late in the 4th quarter. Has Cassel really done anything all that different?

What do we really want out of our QB? The big playmaker or the guy that knows how to close games?

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:23 PM
For many, I'm guessing that it has far more to do with who wanted the team to select Sanchez.

Well, that would be ridiculous. I don't want Sanchez to be good because that would mean that the Chiefs made a giant mistake. I don't believe they did, just like I didn't believe they did then. If Sanchez does prove to be a great QB though, that will suck, as a fan of this team.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:23 PM
Takes a sack. Throws for 8 when he needs 24. AND throws for 4 interceptions. I can see why Pioli was such a dummy for passing on such greatness.
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Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:24 PM
For many, I'm guessing that it has far more to do with who wanted the team to select Sanchez.I wanted the team to select Sanchez. I wanted Stafford. We didn't get them. I realized I had to move on.

Am I in love with Cassel? No. Hopefully some day I will be.

Does it do me any good to pine for Sanchez and root for him now that he's a Jet? No.

Mr. Laz
10-18-2009, 05:24 PM
They don't call him Dirty Sanchez for nuttin

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:25 PM
He hasn't played 5 seasons you dumb motherfucker. He had a guy named Tom Brady in front of him for 4 years.
It doesn't change the fact he produced in the NFL and Sanchez hasn't done SHIT.
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So, during this time he wasn't

1) Studying NFL film
2) Using NFL trainers and facilities?
3) Participating in practice
4) Learning NFL playbooks

Ok.

kysirsoze
10-18-2009, 05:25 PM
I want him to look awful because that will mean that the Chiefs made a good decision by not picking him.

He seems like a nice guy so I hate to root against him, but part of me agrees with this. Just a piece of mind thing. That said, one bad game does not a bust make.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:25 PM
I wanted the team to select Sanchez. I wanted Stafford. We didn't get them. I realized I had to move on.

Am I in love with Cassel? No. Hopefully some day I will be.

Does it do me any good to pine for Sanchez and root for him now that he's a Jet? No.

I agree with all of this.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:26 PM
This is the part I don't understand. Sanchez got a TON of credit for doing some impressive things, but mostly being a little erratic... but he won games. Now that his defense is giving up some scores late in the games, suddenly, the "Sanchez just knows how to win games" argument doesn't apply. Meanwhile, Cassel has done a lot of the same things as Sanchez. He's been largely ineffective most of the game, but in the three games the defense kept the opposing offense honest, Cassel engineered go-ahead drives in each of those games late in the game.

Let's face it. The ONLY reason there was so much Sanchez ball-washing was because he won games. Now that he's not, it's becoming extremely clear that the two are having very similar seasons production-wise.

What is the definition of subpar, really? Because Big Ben's game has always been about managing the game early, letting the defense put them in the position to win games, and then making some big plays late in the 4th quarter. Has Cassel really done anything all that different?

What do we really want out of our QB? The big playmaker or the guy that knows how to close games?


To many of us who watched the Jets games and didn't just watch the highlights, we saw that in a couple of those games Sanchez "closed out" he actually threw interceptions in key 4th quarter drives that would either ice the games or put his team ahead. The defense saved those games, and there is really no question about it.

mlyonsd
10-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Ha ha, that was a Herm type challenge.....for 6 yards

Mr. Laz
10-18-2009, 05:27 PM
I pretty much always root against teams from California,Texas and New York.



Being from the midwest, why wouldn't you?

TheGuardian
10-18-2009, 05:28 PM
Sanchez has thrown 4 picks and is 8 of 23 right now. The score? 13-13. Like I said all year, that defense has carried that team and they have won in SPITE of Sanchez, not because of him.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:28 PM
To many of us who watched the Jets games and didn't just watch the highlights, we saw that in a couple of those games Sanchez "closed out" he actually threw interceptions in key 4th quarter drives that would either ice the games or put his team ahead. The defense saved those games, and there is really no question about it.

Of course it's always more complicated than some broad generalization accounts for.

Similarly, it's disingenuous to heap too much praise on Cassel for his performance at the end of the OAK game when his play in the earlier part of the game was a significant factor for why the team wasn't already (potentially comfortably) ahead.

Deberg_1990
10-18-2009, 05:29 PM
I pretty much always root against teams from California,Texas and New York.



Being from the midwest, why wouldn't you?


Envious much?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:31 PM
So...

A rookie with 4 OL that were former 1st round picks...a former 1st round pick RB...a former #3 overall WR...all the talent around him in the world...gets a pass...

BUT

Matt Cassel...with the shittiest supporting cast of all time...a guy who hasn't thrown a pick in 4 games...

Can't hold Sanchez' jock?!

Hilarious.

I guess taking Vernon Gholston over Matt Ryan wasn't a fluke for you...LMAO

I forgot that we were making evaluations for rookies' futures after one-third of a season.

God, you're a fucking idiot.

Peyton Manning, your God among men, had Marvin Harrison, Tarik Glenn, and Marshall Faulk as a rookie, and went 3-13 with 31 fucking interceptions.

31 picks.

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:31 PM
Of course it's always more complicated than some broad generalization accounts for.

Similarly, it's disingenuous to heap too much praise on Cassel for his performance at the end of the OAK game when his play in the earlier part of the game was a significant factor for why the team wasn't already (potentially comfortably) ahead.

I agree with that. You haven't see me posting a lot pumping up what Cassel is doing either. I would like to see what he could do with a legitimate line and running game though. I think he has played fairly well all things considered though. And he hasn't outright lost games with horrible play.

If the Jets lose today, it will be because of Mark Sanchez. I would say that if Kelen Clemons was the QB for the Jets today, they are up a couple TDs.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:32 PM
Sanchez has thrown 4 picks and is 8 of 23 right now. The score? 13-13. Like I said all year, that defense has carried that team and they have won in SPITE of Sanchez, not because of him.

Who here said that he was ready to lead a championship or playoff caliber team as a rookie? Please, point me to one person who has made this claim.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 05:33 PM
Of course it's always more complicated than some broad generalization accounts for.

Similarly, it's disingenuous to heap too much praise on Cassel for his performance at the end of the OAK game when his play in the earlier part of the game was a significant factor for why the team wasn't already (potentially comfortably) ahead.

Ben Roethlisberger throws for about 3,000 yards every year and always has as many QBs as he does INTs.

He has made his mark in the NFL by being able to make plays when they count most. And when he makes a big 4th quarter go-ahead drive, his defense usually steps up and makes a big stop when they need to.

Are you going to say that Big Ben is a below average QB because he has pretty good 1st halves, but very good 4th quarters? I don't understand why Sanchez got so much praise for throwing for 150 yards but making plays when it matters most, but Cassel gets criticized for essentially doing the same thing but not having the defense to close out those games in most cases.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:33 PM
I forgot that we were making evaluations for rookies' futures after one-third of a season.

God, you're a ****ing idiot.

Peyton Manning, your God among men, had Marvin Harrison, Tarik Glenn, and Marshall Faulk as a rookie, and went 3-13 with 31 ****ing interceptions.

31 picks.

14 after week 6.

How would KC fans have handled this?

tk13
10-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Defenses have obviously adjusted to some of the things they were seeing from Sanchez. All part of being a rookie, the trick is how will Sanchez adjust. I don't think Sanchez is Peyton Manning but he should be fine. This place is going to be unbearable the first time we play the Jets. I'm over it.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:35 PM
I agree with that. You haven't see me posting a lot pumping up what Cassel is doing either. I would like to see what he could do with a legitimate line and running game though. I think he has played fairly well all things considered though. And he hasn't outright lost games with horrible play.

If the Jets lose today, it will be because of Mark Sanchez. I would say that if Kelen Clemons was the QB for the Jets today, they are up a couple TDs.

Completely agree with the first.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the second because he's been a significant contributing factor.

Pioli Zombie
10-18-2009, 05:35 PM
So the entire argument of the Sanchez crowd is that because he was 22 he was the pick. So any 22 qb will do I guess because it can't be based on anything else he has shown. So just draft any old 22 year old qb or else you don't want to win a championship.
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DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Good thing Sanchez pushed that right.

Skip Towne
10-18-2009, 05:36 PM
I pretty much always root against teams from California,Texas and New York.



Being from the midwest, why wouldn't you?

You left out Florida.

Mr. Laz
10-18-2009, 05:36 PM
Envious much?
media bias,arrogant ass fans ....


Envy doesn't have anything to do with it.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:36 PM
So the entire argument of the Sanchez crowd is that because he was 22 he was the pick. So any 22 qb will do I guess because it can't be based on anything else he has shown. So just draft any old 22 year old qb or else you don't want to win a championship.
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That's pretty much an accurate summary from draft planet. I can recall myself making many a post saying, "This douche is 22. That'll work."

Delano
10-18-2009, 05:36 PM
What are Bills fans going to do to Lindell? LMAO

Crush
10-18-2009, 05:37 PM
:clap: That is what you get for your conservative pussy-ass playcalling and "playing it safe" coaching style, Dick. May you, Marty, Herm, and the rest of your ilk continue to be burned by such situations.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:37 PM
What are Bills fans going to do to Lindell? LMAO

Buy 'em a beer if it helps get Dick out of town?

tk13
10-18-2009, 05:38 PM
14 after week 6.

How would KC fans have handled this?

He would've been called a bust. The only rookie QB's who are successful are usually the ones that are protected by running the ball a ton and a good defense. Roethlisberger is elite now but his rookie season they were #1 in running the football and #1 in defense.

Although who knows what Sanchez would've done here, it probably would've been a lot worse. Cassel does have more experience and look how he's doing. But I don't think Cassel stinks. It's definitely harder to evaluate someone the offensive weapons we have.

Crush
10-18-2009, 05:39 PM
Holy Ejection, Batman.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:40 PM
So the entire argument of the Sanchez crowd is that because he was 22 he was the pick. So any 22 qb will do I guess because it can't be based on anything else he has shown. So just draft any old 22 year old qb or else you don't want to win a championship.
Posted via Mobile Device

Impeccable logic.

DaWolf
10-18-2009, 05:40 PM
HE'S A ROOKIE, YOU DUMB MOTHER****ER, NOT A 27 YEAR OLD IN HIS FIFTH NFL SEASON.

Which is exactly why we didn't draft him. Could you imagine how many picks he's have if he was playing on the disaster that is the Chiefs? That's how you David Carr a rookie. That's why Pioli went with the vet who has had to fight for his NFL life, cause there's going to be a lot of adversity in being the QB here...

Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:41 PM
God, I fucking hate the way this commentator says Sanchez.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:41 PM
He would've been called a bust. The only rookie QB's who are successful are usually the ones that are protected by running the ball a ton and a good defense. Roethlisberger is elite now but his rookie season they were #1 in running the football and #1 in defense.

Although who knows what Sanchez would've done here, it probably would've been a lot worse. Cassel does have more experience and look how he's doing. But I don't think Cassel stinks. It's definitely harder to evaluate someone the offensive weapons we have.

If Sanchez were here, and the coaching staff wanted to play him behind this line, they should be summarily fired.

It would be completely reckless to throw a rookie behind this line.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 05:41 PM
14 after week 6.

How would KC fans have handled this?

In probably the same way the Chiefs fans are grilling Cassel. I realize that he comes into KC with a lot more experience, but I don't think that justifies grilling him for not playing outstanding in a situation where he's essentially asked to score points on his own.

kysirsoze
10-18-2009, 05:42 PM
Which is exactly why we didn't draft him. Could you imagine how many picks he's have if he was playing on the disaster that is the Chiefs? That's how you David Carr a rookie. That's why Pioli went with the vet who has had to fight for his NFL life, cause there's going to be a lot of adversity in being the QB here...

QFT

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:42 PM
Which is exactly why we didn't draft him. Could you imagine how many picks he's have if he was playing on the disaster that is the Chiefs? That's how you David Carr a rookie. That's why Pioli went with the vet who has had to fight for his NFL life, cause there's going to be a lot of adversity in being the QB here...

I didn't realize that drafting a rookie meant he started in game 1.

Duly noted.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:42 PM
Which is exactly why we didn't draft him. Could you imagine how many picks he's have if he was playing on the disaster that is the Chiefs? That's how you David Carr a rookie. That's why Pioli went with the vet who has had to fight for his NFL life, cause there's going to be a lot of adversity in being the QB here...

Just because a QB is drafted doesn't mean he must start week 1.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:43 PM
In probably the same way the Chiefs fans are grilling Cassel. I realize that he comes into KC with a lot more experience, but I don't think that justifies grilling him for not playing outstanding in a situation where he's essentially asked to score points on his own.

Apples and oranges. And most legit criticisms of Cassel account for the general shit that is the team.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:44 PM
I didn't realize that drafting a rookie meant he started in game 1.

Duly noted.He'd have been in by Week 4. No sane head coach is willing to tie his career to Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:44 PM
26 TD's 28 INT's his rookie year hamas

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:45 PM
In probably the same way the Chiefs fans are grilling Cassel. I realize that he comes into KC with a lot more experience, but I don't think that justifies grilling him for not playing outstanding in a situation where he's essentially asked to score points on his own.

No one is expecting him to be 2007 Tom Brady. What fans should expect that they haven't yet gotten is that he has a good internal clock, doesn't take unnecessary sacks, and displays accuracy and touch when given time.

That's not to say that he's been completely worthless. Again, a false choice put forth by dumbasses who can't think for themselves (not you, the Pioli Zombies and Hooties of the world). He's a tough sonofabitch, and he plays better in the 4th than he does in the 1st. Hell, he's shown as much late game ability as Trent Green @ this point in his career.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:45 PM
He'd have been in by Week 4. No sane head coach is willing to tie his career to Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen.

Sign a vet.

Thigpen isn't a QB.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:45 PM
dude mark sanchez is awesome....he totally won this game for the Jets! Yes!

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:46 PM
26 TD's 28 INT's his rookie year hamas

Thank you for the correction.

keg in kc
10-18-2009, 05:46 PM
Calling Cassel's play sub-par is a bit much. What exactly are people expecting from him? It's nigh on miraculous he's able to manage the game as well as he has in the situation the franchise has put him in. How's he supposed get into a rhythm with a line that can't protect and receivers that apparently put cooking spray on their hands instead of stick-em? Beyond that there's been no semblence of a running game to open up the pass. But somehow he's still able to put the team into a position to win virtually every week. Put him on that Jets team and he's probably a 60-65% passer on a 5-, soon to be 6-, win team.

Which isn't saying Sanchez won't be a stud in a year or three...

But come on. What would any quarterback look like behind center on the '09 Chiefs? How good would Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or anybody else you can name look behind this line throwing to this group of skill players? How comfortable to poised could any quarterback look in this situation?

How about a little history. Anybody remember Trent Green? By this point in '01, he'd already thrown 9 interceptions. And as bad as that team was, the line was far and away better than this year's, and the receivers were at worst equal to what they're running out there in '09. If Cassel was showing that kind of tendency, turning the ball over, I might see it as sub-par. But that's just not what's happening. Has his accuracy been off at times? Sure. And my guess is the more consistent the team around him becomes, the more confident and consistent he becomes. Just like Green in '02 and beyond.

Cassel right now is being asked to turn chicken shit into chicken parmesan. I figure the choices are to be mad that he's only able to give us chicken strips right now, or to be encouraged that he's able to get as much as he has out of what he has to work with.

Personally, I think it's a good sign for the future.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:47 PM
This is fucking recklessly idiotic...

Wow, and that was before I saw the fake.

Rex Ryan may well be a fucking retard.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 05:47 PM
Apples and oranges. And most legit criticisms of Cassel account for the general shit that is the team.

It's not apples and oranges. Peyton was asked to win games by himself because the rest of his team sucked. The Jets were fortunate enough to be in a situation where the team around their young QB was strong enough that they didn't expect him to be a savior for the team this season.

The criticisms of Cassel expect Cassel to play very well in spite of playing around general shit. While he has experience, isn't that a little tough to have those kinds of expectations?

DaWolf
10-18-2009, 05:48 PM
So we draft a rookie QB at three, pay him multi millions of dollars, and sit him behind, who, Brodie Croyle? Is that really going to make this a better football team? You really think after Brodie gets sacked 35 times and breaks his foot the guy was still going to sit on the bench?

I think that Pioli would prefer to get a foundation set in here where when we are in a position that we need to develop a long term starter, we have the luxury of drafting a guy and letting him sit for the year. This team isn't there yet...

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:48 PM
wow...Weatherford has a better arm than Sanchez...can't believe we let him get away

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 05:54 PM
The biggest difference right now between Cassel and Sanchez is INT's. Cassel's hasn't thrown one in 130 or so attempts while Sanchez has thrown alot especially in the last 3 weeks or so.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:55 PM
So we draft a rookie QB at three, pay him multi millions of dollars, and sit him behind, who, Brodie Croyle? Is that really going to make this a better football team? You really think after Brodie gets sacked 35 times and breaks his foot the guy was still going to sit on the bench?

I think that Pioli would prefer to get a foundation set in here where when we are in a position that we need to develop a long term starter, we have the luxury of drafting a guy and letting him sit for the year. This team isn't there yet...

Carson Palmer sat behind Jon Kitna, FFS. Eli sat for the first 8 games of his rookie year. Rivers sat for multiple years before Brees had done anything. Cutler sat for the first 3/4 of his rookie year.

I 've said on this board multiple times that were we to draft a QB, we should sit him until after a bye week at the earliest. Wait for the sked to get easier, and put him in a position to succeed.

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 05:56 PM
Calling Cassel's play sub-par is a bit much. What exactly are people expecting from him? It's nigh on miraculous he's able to manage the game as well as he has in the situation the franchise has put him in. How's he supposed get into a rhythm with a line that can't protect and receivers that apparently put cooking spray on their hands instead of stick-em? Beyond that there's been no semblence of a running game to open up the pass. But somehow he's still able to put the team into a position to win virtually every week. Put him on that Jets team and he's probably a 60-65% passer on a 5-, soon to be 6-, win team.

Which isn't saying Sanchez won't be a stud in a year or three...

But come on. What would any quarterback look like behind center on the '09 Chiefs? How good would Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or anybody else you can name look behind this line throwing to this group of skill players? How comfortable to poised could any quarterback look in this situation?

How about a little history. Anybody remember Trent Green? By this point in '01, he'd already thrown 9 interceptions. And as bad as that team was, the line was far and away better than this year's, and the receivers were at worst equal to what they're running out there in '09. If Cassel was showing that kind of tendency, turning the ball over, I might see it as sub-par. But that's just not what's happening. Has his accuracy been off at times? Sure. And my guess is the more consistent the team around him becomes, the more confident and consistent he becomes. Just like Green in '02 and beyond.

Cassel right now is being asked to turn chicken shit into chicken parmesan. I figure the choices are to be mad that he's only able to give us chicken strips right now, or to be encouraged that he's able to get as much as he has out of what he has to work with.

Personally, I think it's a good sign for the future.

Come on, keg. This is exactly the problem that many had with the acquisition.

But, whatever, if he's Green II there could be worse things.

the Talking Can
10-18-2009, 05:57 PM
Calling Cassel's play sub-par is a bit much. What exactly are people expecting from him? It's nigh on miraculous he's able to manage the game as well as he has in the situation the franchise has put him in. How's he supposed get into a rhythm with a line that can't protect and receivers that apparently put cooking spray on their hands instead of stick-em? Beyond that there's been no semblence of a running game to open up the pass. But somehow he's still able to put the team into a position to win virtually every week. Put him on that Jets team and he's probably a 60-65% passer on a 5-, soon to be 6-, win team.

Which isn't saying Sanchez won't be a stud in a year or three...

But come on. What would any quarterback look like behind center on the '09 Chiefs? How good would Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or anybody else you can name look behind this line throwing to this group of skill players? How comfortable to poised could any quarterback look in this situation?

How about a little history. Anybody remember Trent Green? By this point in '01, he'd already thrown 9 interceptions. And as bad as that team was, the line was far and away better than this year's, and the receivers were at worst equal to what they're running out there in '09. If Cassel was showing that kind of tendency, turning the ball over, I might see it as sub-par. But that's just not what's happening. Has his accuracy been off at times? Sure. And my guess is the more consistent the team around him becomes, the more confident and consistent he becomes. Just like Green in '02 and beyond.

Cassel right now is being asked to turn chicken shit into chicken parmesan. I figure the choices are to be mad that he's only able to give us chicken strips right now, or to be encouraged that he's able to get as much as he has out of what he has to work with.

Personally, I think it's a good sign for the future.

amen brother


it's a losing fight on this board, but well said

Coach
10-18-2009, 05:58 PM
Oh my. Threw it right at the defender.

tk13
10-18-2009, 05:58 PM
I think Haley is stubborn enough to do what he wants. But there would've been a LOT of pressure to play Sanchez had we drafted him.

"Well we're 1-5! What are we waiting for! Time to see the future!"

Same stupid stuff you see all the time. It's easy to sit here and say it now but there would've been a large swell of support to play Sanchez if we were still sitting him at this point. Very few coaches have the type of patience to pull a Carson Palmer anymore.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 05:58 PM
Jesus. Is he blind today?

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 05:58 PM
Mookie with another pick!

Baby Lee
10-18-2009, 05:58 PM
Six? Who is this Sanchavre?

doomy3
10-18-2009, 05:59 PM
LMAO

Mr. Flopnuts
10-18-2009, 05:59 PM
5 picks. Jesus. He just matched his season total today.

ziggysocki
10-18-2009, 05:59 PM
Man, 5 picks? This guy is awesome!

kysirsoze
10-18-2009, 05:59 PM
Wow this is bad.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 05:59 PM
He's got tunnel vision on Edwards. He needs to stop thinking about Braylon's draft position and talents, and move to his secondary receiver. Keller is a good player, and he's almost completely ignoring him.

DaWolf
10-18-2009, 06:00 PM
Just proves how bad Buffalo is that they haven't won this game...

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 06:01 PM
He's got tunnel vision on Edwards. He needs to stop thinking about Braylon's draft position and talents, and move to his secondary receiver. Keller is a good player, and he's almost completely ignoring him.

Cassel goes Cotchery JUST sayin

Fruit Ninja
10-18-2009, 06:01 PM
Hehe, He's playing horrible 10/29 and 5 picks. Where is mecca at? dude is quick to try to get his praise, but as of right now, dude looks like crap. Not saying he wont turn it around, but wow, this is bad today, they got a good ass defense though.

wazu
10-18-2009, 06:01 PM
So far this year Sanchez has looked a lot, lot better than Manning did his rookie year. And Manning had a great O-line, Marvin Harrison, and Marshall Faulk.

the Talking Can
10-18-2009, 06:02 PM
Just proves how bad Buffalo is that they haven't won this game...

indeed, feels very chiefs like...a team does everything in their power to give you the game and you still can't take it

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:02 PM
Interesting that Ryan has Gholston play a 3 or 5 Technique in 3rd down situations.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 06:03 PM
Honestly, if Sanchez is getting tunnel-vision on Edwards this bad; imagine what he'd do with our WR corps. At least he has viable second options with the Jets. After he got done locking onto Bowe and seeing there was no separation; he'd be dead in the pocket on the Chiefs.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 06:03 PM
Interesting that Ryan has Gholston play a 3 or 5 Technique in 3rd down situations.

he's more valuable than Matt Ryan, that's for sure

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:03 PM
Cassel goes Cotchery JUST sayin

The same Cotchery who was inactive today and had one catch before leaving on Monday?

Coach
10-18-2009, 06:04 PM
Well, that'll do it.

Edit: Assuming it is a "catch"

the Talking Can
10-18-2009, 06:04 PM
what a catch by evans!

Pablo
10-18-2009, 06:04 PM
Hehe, He's playing horrible 10/29 and 5 picks. Where is mecca at? dude is quick to try to get his praise, but as of right now, dude looks like crap. Not saying he wont turn it around, but wow, this is bad today, they got a good ass defense though.Mecca isn't as bad as some.

RoR is the Sanchezologist and he's holed up at the moment. Big surprise.

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 06:05 PM
Didn't maintain possession after that first foot hit.

the Talking Can
10-18-2009, 06:05 PM
you have to give him that

doomy3
10-18-2009, 06:05 PM
Maybe Fitzpatrick is the franchise QB playing in this game.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 06:05 PM
The same Cotchery who was inactive today and had one catch before leaving on Monday?

dude I am as drunk as I have ever been right now

luv
10-18-2009, 06:06 PM
Didn't maintain possession after that first foot hit.

Juggled. Incomplete.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 06:06 PM
dude I am as drunk as I have ever been right nowYou're typing pretty coherently for being smashed. I tend to abstain from computers and cell phones if I'm that drunk. Nothing good comes out of it.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 06:06 PM
He's got tunnel vision on Edwards. He needs to stop thinking about Braylon's draft position and talents, and move to his secondary receiver. Keller is a good player, and he's almost completely ignoring him.

I wouldn't be so worried about tunnel vision on Edwards.

In watching this game, I think you have to wonder about his arm strength. His throws have absolutely no mustard and it's a concern you never really think about, playing in a Pac-10 Division where you never have to throw a ball that cuts into the wind.

A lot of his throws have a LOT of loft. And in the wind, those balls are going to move very, very differently. Given that he's playing in the NFC East, I think this is a situation we'll have to monitor very closely.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:06 PM
he's more valuable than Matt Ryan, that's for sure

He has multiple QB pressures today. But then again, seeing as you're aware of watching the game to the point where you didn't even know that Cotchery was inactive, we'll take your input.

Oh, Tom Brady sucks, too. System QB...Only threw 6 TDs in about 32 minutes today.

the Talking Can
10-18-2009, 06:07 PM
damn....dude deserved it just for the effort

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:08 PM
dude I am as drunk as I have ever been right now

Just get a DD, because given the way the world works, when you drive your car off the road, you'll end up hitting an SUV full of children and walk away w/o a scratch.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 06:08 PM
You're typing pretty coherently for being smashed. I tend to abstain from computers and cell phones if I'm that drunk. Nothing good comes out of it.
Dude...I just did the Dr. challenge...

10 shots, 5 minutes...it was awful.

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 06:08 PM
Just get a DD, because given the way the world works, when you drive your car off the road, you'll end up hitting an SUV full of children and walk away w/o a scratch.

walkable distance buddy

Pablo
10-18-2009, 06:09 PM
I wouldn't be so worried about tunnel vision on Edwards.

In watching this game, I think you have to wonder about his arm strength. His throws have absolutely no mustard and it's a concern you never really think about, playing in a Pac-10 Division where you never have to throw a ball that cuts into the wind.

A lot of his throws have a LOT of loft. And in the wind, those balls are going to move very, very differently. Given that he's playing in the NFC East, I think this is a situation we'll have to monitor very closely.Hell, Chad Pennington did pretty well for himself in New York. I think Sanchez's arm strength is a negligible concern. He just needs to practice throwing more darts and less Huard lobs.

The only real concern NYJ should take away from this game is his vision. Because he's making throws a blind man probably wouldn't.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:09 PM
I wouldn't be so worried about tunnel vision on Edwards.

In watching this game, I think you have to wonder about his arm strength. His throws have absolutely no mustard and it's a concern you never really think about, playing in a Pac-10 Division where you never have to throw a ball that cuts into the wind.

A lot of his throws have a LOT of loft. And in the wind, those balls are going to move very, very differently. Given that he's playing in the NFC East, I think this is a situation we'll have to monitor very closely.

I think that's a fair point. He's also never played in weather like this before. Guys take time to adjust to this kind of weather. Maybe he'll end up like Eli and never be effective @ home. It's entirely possible. Or maybe he's just a n00b. Or some combination thereof.

Mr. Flopnuts
10-18-2009, 06:10 PM
Buffalo. OH MY!!!!

the Talking Can
10-18-2009, 06:10 PM
wow, it looked like it was going to slice

Coach
10-18-2009, 06:10 PM
And that will do it.

Pablo
10-18-2009, 06:10 PM
That loss is squarely on Sanchez's shoulders x 1000.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:10 PM
Lindell, FTW.

Jets didn't deserve that one in the least. Congrats, Buffalo fans. You sorry bastards needed that one.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:11 PM
That loss is squarely on Sanchez's shoulders x 1000.

Without a doubt.

the Talking Can
10-18-2009, 06:12 PM
in other news, Brady threw another TD pass, while walking into the shower...

Mecca
10-18-2009, 06:13 PM
That was an ugly game full of horrible play on both sides.

Sanchez is going to struggle till he gets use to the NY weather, the Meadowlands is a tough stadium to play in.

DaWolf
10-18-2009, 06:13 PM
Should be fun listening to Rex Ryan now...

Short Leash Hootie
10-18-2009, 06:14 PM
arrowhead is a tough stadium to play in so cassel gets a pass

DaWolf
10-18-2009, 06:14 PM
That was an ugly game full of horrible play on both sides.

Sanchez is going to struggle till he gets use to the NY weather, the Meadowlands is a tough stadium to play in.

Oh yeah, those winds play havoc.

I think long term Sanchez will be fine...

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 06:17 PM
Hell, Chad Pennington did pretty well for himself in New York. I think Sanchez's arm strength is a negligible concern. He just needs to practice throwing more darts and less Huard lobs.

The only real concern NYJ should take away from this game is his vision. Because he's making throws a blind man probably wouldn't.

This is why I've stressed for many months that distance arm strength is grossly overrated and I don't understand why people are so obsessed with it. Or why so many seem to think distance = arm strength.

Most scouts could care less if you throw 70 yards as opposed to 60. What they care about is the zip you can put into the ball and whether you throw a ball that cuts into the conditions. Pennington didn't have a good arm from a distance standpoint, but he threw a nice enough ball that it still had zip in the conditions. For as much shit as Huard got, he never seemed to have a problem throwing a zipped ball in the conditions.

Sanchez's ball looked really sloppy today. On both his lobs and his fired passes. His passes didn't have that clean-cut spiral that knifes into the wind. And so even on passes that he fired, you could see the ball almost die a little bit in mid-air. That's certainly got to be a concern if you're a Jets fan and it's something the QBs coach is going to need to really work with him on. I don't think it's too unfixable. I think he learns to throw a cleaner ball, and he'll be fine. But it's relevant in that a lot of his bread and butter passes have come from lob passes that are going to be very affected by wind.

Mecca
10-18-2009, 06:18 PM
A couple of them died because you could see he tried to lob the ball which was stupid for that weather but not surprising since it was his first time playing in it.

ChiefMojo
10-18-2009, 06:20 PM
Sanchez better get use to the cold quick or he is going to have a horrible career during the 2nd part of a season on a regular bases. He can't be protected by the California sunshine and only one season lifestyle forever.

There were many draft experts that stated they had major concerns about Sanchez's ability to play in a cold weather city. I don't doubt the Jets drafting him on talent, but there are more to the equation than a physical skills.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:20 PM
arrowhead is a tough stadium to play in so cassel gets a pass

Dude, cut yourself off. There is no comparison in the wind swirls. That's not in any way an excuse for Sanchez's shitbomb today, but there is a HUGE difference between the stadiums.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:21 PM
There were many draft experts that stated they had major concerns about Sanchez's ability to play in a cold weather city. I don't doubt the Jets drafting him on talent, but there are more to the equation than a physical skills.

Never once saw this.

WilliamTheIrish
10-18-2009, 06:22 PM
Anybody change opinions today? In this thread? Great!

See you next week, same time, same channel. (And the week after that, and the week after that....)

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2009, 06:22 PM
Played like a true rookie QB today, didn't break Namath's record for most interceptions in a game though. Forced a lot of throws trying to make a play and it backfired on his ass. Part of the growing pains of a rookie.

Mecca
10-18-2009, 06:23 PM
If that was really the case that every west coast QB would be downgraded and there are numerous successful QB's that never played in adverse conditions until their NFL careers started.

Coach
10-18-2009, 06:23 PM
Anybody change opinions today? In this thread? Great!

See you next week, same time, same channel. (And the week after that, and the week after that....)

ROFL

You're on a roll.

TFG
10-18-2009, 06:24 PM
In OT, there was the "drive for five," and Sanchez came through...

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 06:26 PM
A couple of them died because you could see he tried to lob the ball which was stupid for that weather but not surprising since it was his first time playing in it.

Well, first, that's a big throw to take away from his arsenal because he uses it quite a bit. In particular, he does it when he tries to escape pressure and heaves it on the run. He throws it with tremendous accuracy, but it's worth noting that that ball is going to be affected in cold conditions. That would be my biggest concern. He's going to have learn to become reliant on fired passes.

The other flaw this exposes is that Sanchez also holds on to the ball too long way too often. If he was quicker and more decisive, he could throw the ball more often on his plant, gun it into open space when the receiver hits his break. When he takes a little longer, he either throws on the run or he does what Green does--find a soft pocket in the zone and throw to a spot which doesn't require nearly as much zip on the ball. That's something he was criticized for in college but it's just now coming to light. Maybe he fixes it with experience. Then again, maybe he doesn't.

The other concern is something I think is fixable. His fired balls didn't look great either. They seem to often tail on him. He's going to have to work with the QBs coach on getting a much crisper ball out of his hands.

Rudy lost the toss
10-18-2009, 06:26 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/football/nfl/players/2153.jpg

Did somebody say QB pressures???


Also...throwing Manning's name in this thread is pointless. 3700 yards and 26 TDs

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 06:30 PM
Dude, cut yourself off. There is no comparison in the wind swirls. That's not in any way an excuse for Sanchez's shitbomb today, but there is a HUGE difference between the stadiums.

While true, Cassel played in the AFC East last year. Foxboro is as bad if not worse than the Meadowlands. Also, Fitzgerald didn't seem to have a problem--he sucked, but his passes didn't seem to be affected by the conditions.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2009, 06:33 PM
While true, Cassel played in the AFC East last year. Foxboro is as bad if not worse than the Meadowlands. Also, Fitzgerald didn't seem to have a problem--he sucked, but his passes didn't seem to be affected by the conditions.

Fitzgerald is from the Northeast I beleive. I know he played at Harvard.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 06:33 PM
At least he's trying to win, because he's throwing all those picks and all.

splatbass
10-18-2009, 06:39 PM
Some folks are actively rooting for Sanchez...pulling for him to be successful...and WTF for? What good does that do the Chiefs?

It's so they can feel all smart and smug and say "I told you so". They want Sanchez to succeed and Cassel to fail for their own egos.

LaChapelle
10-18-2009, 06:39 PM
Sanchez wanted to keep Buffalo out of our draft pick area, win!

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 06:40 PM
Fitzgerald is from the Northeast I beleive. I know he played at Harvard.

Yup. And he played at Cincinnati and the AFC North, where the conditions are tougher. Like I said, it's something that can be fixed. But I think a lot of what he saw today is going to force him to adjust his game pretty significantly. It's definitely at least something to keep on the radar.

splatbass
10-18-2009, 06:42 PM
I forgot that we were making evaluations for rookies' futures after one-third of a season.



Some here have made evaluations on a rookie coach's future after 1/3 of a season.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 06:42 PM
It's so they can feel all smart and smug and say "I told you so". They want Sanchez to succeed and Cassel to fail for their own egos.

This is absolute truth. I fucking hate people like that, and theres no shortage of them on here, or in this thread.

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 06:45 PM
It's so they can feel all smart and smug and say "I told you so". They want Sanchez to succeed and Cassel to fail for their own egos.

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Did you get your PhD in Dumbassery?

Yeah, I'm sure that people who have suffered with this team for 30+ years really want to watch Cassel fail, so we can suffer another 5 years - all so they can say, "I told you so."

Retard.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:47 PM
Some here have made evaluations on a rookie coach's future after 1/3 of a season.

I haven't seen anyone who is urging patience for rookie QBs doing that, so I'd say that pretty much fucks this idea.

Mecca
10-18-2009, 06:47 PM
It's so they can feel all smart and smug and say "I told you so". They want Sanchez to succeed and Cassel to fail for their own egos.

It's posts like this that make me realize how stupid some of the people that post on here are.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:48 PM
This is absolute truth. I fucking hate people like that, and theres no shortage of them on here, or in this thread.

Yes. Precisely why I've kept losing money on ST's for the last 3 years of 7 and 31 football.

Mecca
10-18-2009, 06:50 PM
We all waste our time and money hoping the team will suck forever, yea that's the ticket.

chiefs1111
10-18-2009, 06:51 PM
What I would like to know is who here has said they want too see Cassel fail? I have not seen one person here say that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:51 PM
Yes. I only watch this team for schadenfraude, and so, when it fails, I can say "I was right". That's why I spent 50+ hours a year just watching the games.

Buster, before gas prices get too high, please:

http://i43.tinypic.com/b3q4hg.jpg

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 06:54 PM
Yes. Precisely why I've kept losing money on ST's for the last 3 years of 7 and 31 football.

And while we're uncovering bullshit, here's another episode of Hootie supposedly having his laptop stolen.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=216497

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 06:55 PM
Yes. Precisely why I've kept losing money on ST's for the last 3 years of 7 and 31 football.

So you can buy that fandom now? Carl would approve.

splatbass
10-18-2009, 06:56 PM
It's posts like this that make me realize how stupid some of the people that post on here are.

The post was about you, my friend...;) Among others.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:56 PM
And while we're uncovering bullshit, here's another episode of Hootie supposedly having his laptop stolen.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=216497

Nice to see his sensitive side come out when he drinks. Can't they permaban that ass hat?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 06:57 PM
So you can buy that fandom now? Carl would approve.

Yes, that's precisely what I meant there. I support a team I hate and I want to lose so that I can tell people that I support them, even though I want their QB to fail and for them to lose.

Mecca
10-18-2009, 06:58 PM
The post was about you, my friend...;) Among others.

Point still stands.

Rudy lost the toss
10-18-2009, 06:58 PM
this has turned into the Republicans wanting Obama to fail debate

splatbass
10-18-2009, 06:58 PM
It's so they can feel all smart and smug and say "I told you so". They want Sanchez to succeed and Cassel to fail for their own egos.

Apparently this post struck a nerve with Hamas. You should see the neg rep he gave me. You would think I had mentioned him specifically...:D

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 07:00 PM
Apparently this post struck a nerve with Hamas. You should see the neg rep he gave me. You would think I had mentioned him specifically...:D

Fucktardation always strikes a nerve. Have another.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 07:00 PM
Yes. I only watch this team for schadenfraude, and so, when it fails, I can say "I was right". That's why I spent 50+ hours a year just watching the games.

Buster, before gas prices get too high, please:

http://i43.tinypic.com/b3q4hg.jpg

Look blowhard, everyone knows what type of asshole you are. You're the know-it-all thats never wrong. The guy that, even with a win, insists on picking it apart. You actively root for your mexican bf to succeed, while shitting on Cassel at every opportunity. Why you do what you do has more to do with the POS you are, than it has to do with who you claim as "your team".

Mecca
10-18-2009, 07:01 PM
Buster Hymen is above it all with his personal feelings on the other posters while never providing any sort of football take of his own.

Awesome shit he brings guys, stand back and marvel.

Rudy lost the toss
10-18-2009, 07:01 PM
are watching train wrecks really a waste of time? Im not accusing, btw

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 07:02 PM
even with a win, insists on picking it apart.

After a win is the time to be the most critical, IMO.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 07:03 PM
Apparently this post struck a nerve with Hamas. You should see the neg rep he gave me. You would think I had mentioned him specifically...:D

Don't sweat it. I never received more pos rep than when hamas started to rep war me. Most people here think he's a total asshole.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 07:04 PM
Look blowhard, everyone knows what type of asshole you are. You're the know-it-all thats never wrong. The guy that, even with a win, insists on picking it apart. You actively root for your mexican bf to succeed, while shitting on Cassel at every opportunity. Why you do what you do has more to do with the POS you are, than it has to do with who you claim as "your team".

When Cassel plays well, I praise him (see my comments during the 4th quarter of the Dallas and Oakland game). When he doesn't, I criticize him (see my comments in the game thread today). But please, keep inventing this narrative to justify your own idiotic world view.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 07:05 PM
After a win is the time to be the most critical, IMO.

I'm sure you do.

You wouldn't go much out of your way to debunk anything mecca, hamas, dipshitdane, or OTWP had to say.

unlurking
10-18-2009, 07:06 PM
When Cassel plays well, I praise him (see my comments during the 4th quarter of the Dallas and Oakland game). When he doesn't, I criticize him (see my comments in the game thread today). But please, keep inventing this narrative to justify your own idiotic world view.
I thought 4th quarter was just garbage time stats padding?

:Poke:

TheGuardian
10-18-2009, 07:06 PM
When Cassel plays well, I praise him (see my comments during the 4th quarter of the Dallas and Oakland game). When he doesn't, I criticize him (see my comments in the game thread today). But please, keep inventing this narrative to justify your own idiotic world view.

In the meantime you've done almost nothing but make excuses and play ride on the pony on Sanchez jock, who has looked like dog shit all season and rode the coattails of that defense.

You're an effin moron. Melt down bitch.

splatbass
10-18-2009, 07:06 PM
Don't sweat it. I never received more pos rep than when hamas started to rep war me. Most people here think he's a total asshole.

I'm not sweating it, I was expecting it. :D Hamas is very predictable. Funny how he took it personally when I didn't even mention any names. :D

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 07:07 PM
God I hope we are not going to have this same tired debate every week.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 07:07 PM
When Cassel plays well, I praise him (see my comments during the 4th quarter of the Dallas and Oakland game). When he doesn't, I criticize him (see my comments in the game thread today). But please, keep inventing this narrative to justify your own idiotic world view.

You put the evidence out there daily. I don't have to make up anything.

How many fucking strikes does that make now?

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 07:07 PM
God I hope we are not going to have this same tired debate every week.

Notice who keeps starting the threads...

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 07:07 PM
I'm sure you do.

You wouldn't go much out of your way to debunk anything mecca, hamas, dipshitdane, or OTWP had to say.

My opinions stand on their own, in this forum or otherwise.

But it seems you completely missed the point of the post you responded to, but it doesn't really matter.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 07:08 PM
I'm not sweating it, I was expecting it. :D Hamas is very predictable. Funny how he took it personally when I didn't even mention any names. :D

He dances like a good monkey would.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 07:08 PM
In the meantime you've done almost nothing but make excuses and play ride on the pony on Sanchez jock, who has looked like dog shit all season and rode the coattails of that defense.

You're an effin moron. Melt down bitch.

ROFL..

I doled out plenty of criticism of Sanchez in this very thread. I called him "abysmal", said he was staring Edwards down too much, wasn't going to his other reads, and that the loss fell squarely on his shoulders.

But yes, I've done nothing but defend him.

Christ, you're a fucking idiot.

unlurking
10-18-2009, 07:09 PM
What I would like to know is who here has said they want too see Cassel fail? I have not seen one person here say that.
I have yet to see that either. Overly critical is about the worst I could really say, well, that and everyone taking this thing personally.

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 07:09 PM
Notice who keeps starting the threads...

Yep When Sanchez has a great game it will be pretty silent around here.

Maybe we should start a thread everytime Romo has a bad game.

and BTW I am no Sanchez fan or Cassel fan.

TheGuardian
10-18-2009, 07:09 PM
ROFL..

I doled out plenty of criticism of Sanchez in this very thread. I called him "abysmal", said he was staring Edwards down too much, wasn't going to his other reads, and that the loss fell squarely on his shoulders.

But yes, I've done nothing but defend him.

Christ, you're a ****ing idiot.

"It was the New York winds! Those winds are strong! Sanchez had to deal with the wind!"

The idiot corner is all you buddy.

Rudy lost the toss
10-18-2009, 07:11 PM
FTR, I supported Sanchez...but I am rooting for him to fail for two reasons: CP entertainment and his awful attempts to speak spanish

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 07:12 PM
When Cassel plays well, I praise him (see my comments during the 4th quarter of the Dallas and Oakland game). When he doesn't, I criticize him (see my comments in the game thread today). But please, keep inventing this narrative to justify your own idiotic world view.

I don't have a problem with your criticizing him. I have a problem with the contingency of posters that have said almost nothing positive about Cassel in the preseason, during the season, or now. And most of them have done so because they are obsessed with proving the front office wrong for having passed on Sanchez. While nobody would directly say they want Cassel to fail, there are many posters who have come to the point where they are rooting for Sanchez to be better than Cassel merely as an "I told you so."

I just wish people would stop obsessing so much about a QB that's not on our team and start focusing on the QB that is. I think Cassel has shown some really encouraging things so far. And he's shown some areas he needs to greatly improve. And everyone agrees that he would improve markedly with better talent surrounding him--how much better remains to be seen.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 07:12 PM
"It was the New York winds! Those winds are strong! Sanchez had to deal with the wind!"

The idiot corner is all you buddy.

A completely accurate representation that wholly refutes everything I just said.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 07:13 PM
I don't have a problem with your criticizing him. I have a problem with the contingency of posters that have said almost nothing positive about Cassel in the preseason, during the season, or now. And most of them have done so because they are obsessed with proving the front office wrong for having passed on Sanchez. While nobody would directly say they want Cassel to fail, there are many posters who have come to the point where they are rooting for Sanchez to be better than Cassel merely as an "I told you so."

I just wish people would stop obsessing so much about a QB that's not on our team and start focusing on the QB that is. I think Cassel has shown some really encouraging things so far. And he's shown some areas he needs to greatly improve. And everyone agrees that he would improve markedly with better talent surrounding him--how much better remains to be seen.

When was the last time one of these people started a thread about Mark Sanchez?

I'd like to know.

chiefzilla1501
10-18-2009, 07:13 PM
"It was the New York winds! Those winds are strong! Sanchez had to deal with the wind!"

The idiot corner is all you buddy.

I made a comment about Sanchez maybe having some issues with the conditions and Hamas said it might be true. He's right on this--he hasn't made any excuses for Sanchez in this thread.

Things aren't always black and white. Sometimes they're in between. Just because he says anything nice about Sanchez doesn't mean he's a blind supporter of him.

Tiger's Fan
10-18-2009, 07:13 PM
My opinions stand on their own, in this forum or otherwise.

But it seems you completely missed the point of the post you responded to, but it doesn't really matter.

I understood your point, and I'm as critical of things I don't like when I see them. Going for it on 4th early on the first time, but not going for it again further downfield pissed me off. Thats one example.

But seriously, you guys shit on every single thing the FO, staff, and players ever do. It's an endless stream of bullshit whinning thats all played out, and I'm certainly not the only person on here thats just fucking sick of it.

tonyetony
10-18-2009, 07:14 PM
I don't have a problem with your criticizing him. I have a problem with the contingency of posters that have said almost nothing positive about Cassel in the preseason, during the season, or now. And most of them have done so because they are obsessed with proving the front office wrong for having passed on Sanchez. While nobody would directly say they want Cassel to fail, there are many posters who have come to the point where they are rooting for Sanchez to be better than Cassel merely as an "I told you so."

I just wish people would stop obsessing so much about a QB that's not on our team and start focusing on the QB that is. I think Cassel has shown some really encouraging things so far. And he's shown some areas he needs to greatly improve. And everyone agrees that he would improve markedly with better talent surrounding him--how much better remains to be seen.

Perfect:clap:

TheGuardian
10-18-2009, 07:14 PM
I don't have a problem with your criticizing him. I have a problem with the contingency of posters that have said almost nothing positive about Cassel in the preseason, during the season, or now. And most of them have done so because they are obsessed with proving the front office wrong for having passed on Sanchez. While nobody would directly say they want Cassel to fail, there are many posters who have come to the point where they are rooting for Sanchez to be better than Cassel merely as an "I told you so."

I just wish people would stop obsessing so much about a QB that's not on our team and start focusing on the QB that is. I think Cassel has shown some really encouraging things so far. And he's shown some areas he needs to greatly improve. And everyone agrees that he would improve markedly with better talent surrounding him--how much better remains to be seen.

All this.............

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 07:14 PM
I don't have a problem with your criticizing him. I have a problem with the contingency of posters that have said almost nothing positive about Cassel in the preseason, during the season, or now. And most of them have done so because they are obsessed with proving the front office wrong for having passed on Sanchez. While nobody would directly say they want Cassel to fail, there are many posters who have come to the point where they are rooting for Sanchez to be better than Cassel merely as an "I told you so."


Again, bullshit, and you know it. I expect that crap from Hootie, but your better than that.

I just wish people would stop obsessing so much about a QB that's not on our team and start focusing on the QB that is. I think Cassel has shown some really encouraging things so far. And he's shown some areas he needs to greatly improve. And everyone agrees that he would improve markedly with better talent surrounding him--how much better remains to be seen.

And again, who is it that starts these threads every week?