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dirk digler
10-18-2009, 09:39 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/


The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 PM Eastern time and the rumors are going to be swirling for the next 48 hour or so.
This report (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday-at-the-Post-4585.html)come from Mike Lombardi at the National Football Post, who has consistently delivered solid insider info from Arrowhead. He was very close on early reports about Matt Cassel's contract.

I do want to stress that this is a rumor. From Lombardi:
The Chiefs are trying to move former 2005 first-round linebacker Derrick Johnson and 2008 third-round safety DeJuan Morgan.
Todd Haley and Co. are making no secret about their unhappiness with the players they inherited from the previous regime.
I’m hearing they don’t like anyone, including Branden Albert (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34459/Branden_Albert), who they feel is not a left tackle.

Strong words from Lombardi as we near the trade deadline. I do believe Lombardi is correct in his comments about the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/KAN) and their intentions for those players. At least in the sense that there are a lot of Chiefs players who could possibly be moved for the right price. Jay Glazer said earlier today that the Chiefs are open to trading any player except for Matt Cassel.

Back in August, we caught wind of a rumor (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/8/23/999776/rumor-of-a-failed-trade-between)that Scott Pioli offered the Detroit Lions (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/DET) DaJuan Morgan (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34479/DaJuan_Morgan) for a 4th round pick. The Lions didn't bite, possibly giving us a glimpse into what Morgan may be worth on the open market.

The question is - Will any other team bite on either DJ, DaJuan Morgan or Branden Albert?

Reerun_KC
10-18-2009, 09:40 PM
This could be interesting...

Demonpenz
10-18-2009, 09:40 PM
3rd and a 5th from the eagles and albert will be a guard there

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 09:41 PM
...from Mike Lombardi at the National Football Post, who has consistently delivered solid insider info from Arrowhead.

Yeah, like the bullshit claim that Cassel had signed a long-term deal on draft day, negating any leverage we had in trading down?

kcpasco
10-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Why in the fuck would they be willing to trade Albert?

This is dumb

DeezNutz
10-18-2009, 09:41 PM
I’m hearing they don’t like anyone


LMAO.

This is some wonderfully stupid shit.

Coach
10-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Can't trade an injured player.

Sorry. Alot of fail on that one.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Well, fuck me.

Watch us draft Okung, who got pushed around by Aldon Smith, or Williams, who's gotten his shit pushed in all year. Or maybe Bauluga, who gave up multiple sacks yesterday.

:banghead:

thurman merman
10-18-2009, 09:42 PM
why don't they trade their shitty players instead?

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 09:42 PM
Can't trade an injured player.

Sorry. Alot of fail on that one.

I bet he could have played today

Coach
10-18-2009, 09:42 PM
I bet he could have played today

With a walking boot on it?

Unlikely.

Demonpenz
10-18-2009, 09:43 PM
they were holding out albert so he could get his personal affairs in order for when we get that 4th round pick

Reerun_KC
10-18-2009, 09:44 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:oRZvJ3ZJxxB-aM:http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/612capture_tombstone03.jpg (http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/612capture_tombstone03.jpg)

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 09:45 PM
With a walking boot on it?

Unlikely.

He wanted to come back in last week and the coaches told him no. I am sure if the game was super important he would have. No reason to risk further injury on a 0-5 team

Noss
10-18-2009, 09:45 PM
Yeah, like the bullshit claim that Cassel had signed a long-term deal on draft day, negating any leverage we had in trading down?

This

Basileus777
10-18-2009, 09:45 PM
Mike Lombardi is still a clueless hack.

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 09:46 PM
Yeah, like the bullshit claim that Cassel had signed a long-term deal on draft day, negating any leverage we had in trading down?

Wasn't he right on this especially on the numbers?

Coach
10-18-2009, 09:46 PM
He wanted to come back in last week and the coaches told him no. I am sure if the game was super important he would have. No reason to risk further injury on a 0-5 team

I'm aware of that, but he was, reportedly, wearing the black ankle boot.

Plus, he would need clearence not only from the KC doctors, but also from the other team's doctor in order for that trade to happen.

Plus, it just doesn't make sense to trade away linemen, an area where they are in desperate need of players right now.

wild1
10-18-2009, 09:47 PM
Albert has not looked good this year, no question about that. I wouldn't cry about any of this I guess.

Demonpenz
10-18-2009, 09:47 PM
by time we are ready to win albert will be too old anyway, lets get that 5th round pick

thurman merman
10-18-2009, 09:49 PM
Albert has not looked good this year, no question about that. I wouldn't cry about any of this I guess.

no, but he's still better than everybody else they have, except for maybe waters. they can't really afford even LESS depth on the line.

The Bad Guy
10-18-2009, 09:50 PM
I don't buy for one minute they don't like Brendan Albert.

Coach
10-18-2009, 09:50 PM
I don't buy for one minute they don't like Brendan Albert.

I honestly, can't wait until the NFL trade deadline passes, so we don't have to see garbage articles like these.

It's a fucking sham.

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 09:51 PM
Wasn't he right on this especially on the numbers?

Uh, no.

Cassel signed in July.

wild1
10-18-2009, 09:52 PM
no, but he's still better than everybody else they have, except for maybe waters. they can't really afford even LESS depth on the line.

I wasn't advocating benching him, I was commenting on how my level of upset if they traded him on a scale of 1 to 10 would be about a 2.



For the record - I don't believe this story.

Since the Pioli regime has arrived, the media has done nothing with the Chiefs but pass off naked speculation as "news".

This is probably just more speculative "reporting"

tonyetony
10-18-2009, 09:52 PM
Now that I know we're not going 0-16 i'm ok with stock piling draft picks for guys that minimally contribute. See ya.

wild1
10-18-2009, 09:54 PM
I honestly, can't wait until the NFL trade deadline passes, so we don't have to see garbage articles like these.

It's a ****ing sham.

I want to hear more, where someone says Bowe seems like a good fit for the Ravens, then someone else reports it as a "rumor" then someone changes it on wikipedia just to be funny, then more people report this "rumor", then people start a million topics asking if the deal is dead or what, and then after the trade deadline people will probably start topics about how they let the deadline pass without improving the team or how we should have flipped all these guys to other teams that were just drooling draft picks over a 1-5 team's castoffs...

...and then a reporter dispells a rumor he started, taht too

Marcellus
10-18-2009, 09:54 PM
LMAO

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 09:54 PM
I'm aware of that, but he was, reportedly, wearing the black ankle boot.

Plus, he would need clearence not only from the KC doctors, but also from the other team's doctor in order for that trade to happen.

Plus, it just doesn't make sense to trade away linemen, an area where they are in desperate need of players right now.

True on passing a physical. One thing we have to think about is that this team had one of its better offensive output especially running on the left side without Albert

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 09:55 PM
Uh, no.

Cassel signed in July.

I know he signed in July but the numbers he reported on were correct which means they probably had a verbal deal

BryanBusby
10-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Trying to throw more shit at the wall, hoping it sticks. They'll fetch great picks like DJ did.

Mr. Laz
10-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Albert's play has certainly been disappointing this year but i can't believe that he turned to complete shit so quickly. There has to be a reason and a place for him.


it better be a #1 pick since that is what we paid for him and we already paid his signing bonus.

Coach
10-18-2009, 10:00 PM
Albert's play has certainly been disappointing this year but i can't believe that he turned to complete shit so quickly. There has to be a reason and a place for him.


it better be a #1 pick since that is what we paid for him and we already paid his signing bonus.

I think several members have touched this issue. I think they mentioned it was the combination of Albert's weight loss and his diabetes or something.

Still, it's way too early to deal him or let him go. ALL young players will struggle at some point. Think of this as a 'sophmore' jinx, if you will?

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 10:02 PM
I know he signed in July but the numbers he reported on were correct which means they probably had a verbal deal

One, who gives a shit? He reported something erroneously that cost us on draft day.

Two, there are no such things as verbal agreements in the NFL.

What happens when he suffers a career-ending injury between April and July?

Think the Chiefs would still give him $63M?

wild1
10-18-2009, 10:02 PM
One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 10:03 PM
One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

QFMFT.

Coach
10-18-2009, 10:04 PM
One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

A very good strong possibility as well.

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2009, 10:04 PM
If the idiots trade Albert and Morgan, they must be just making a statement about the Allen trade even more.

tonyetony
10-18-2009, 10:05 PM
One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

Waters penalties always seem to come at the absolutely worst times.

Mr. Laz
10-18-2009, 10:05 PM
O'callaghan is showing a little bit

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 10:08 PM
One, who gives a shit? He reported something erroneously that cost us on draft day.

Two, there are no such things as verbal agreements in the NFL.

What happens when he suffers a career-ending injury between April and July?

Think the Chiefs would still give him $63M?

He didn't cost us anything the Chiefs were never going to draft a QB after trading for Cassel and everyone knew that.

My point about a verbal deal is that they probably had the contract parameters all worked out and for some reason that info was leaked.

chiefs1111
10-18-2009, 10:08 PM
Does lombardi come up with this stuff while he's sitting on a toilet taking a shit or what???

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2009, 10:09 PM
By the way Lombardi used to work for the Raiders.

bowener
10-18-2009, 10:12 PM
Im all for keeping Albert and using his a guard for the rest of his career. I dont give a shit, I just want to have a dominant OL again, and if that means using him as LG since it appears Waters is done, well then lets fucking do that.

RedThat
10-18-2009, 10:14 PM
Imo, DJ, Morgan, Albert have shown flashes of playmaking ability but haven't done so on a consistent basis. Because of lack of consistency they don't have the potential to be great players.

So, with that being said, it wouldn't bother me if they traded either of these guys provided that they can get good value in return. That's the key. What type of value can we get? I don't think it'll hurt the team. At least they're trying to aim for improvement.

The Bad Guy
10-18-2009, 10:15 PM
Morgan has shown flashes of play-making ability? When the fuck did he ever do that?

dirk digler
10-18-2009, 10:16 PM
April 13, 2009

The Atlanta Falcons are “seriously considering” trading for veteran Pro Bowl tight end Tony Gonzalez (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/notes-from-lombardi-sunday-edition/), according to our own Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.
http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c117812/media_center/images/rendered/blogs/legacy/2009/04/tg9.jpg
Lombardi reports that the Falcons may be willing to give up their second round draft pick (#55 overall) in order to obtain the services of Gonzalez.

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 10:17 PM
Morgan has shown flashes of play-making ability? When the fuck did he ever do that?

He hasn't been given an opportunity to show flashes of play-making ability.

Which is incredible, considering how shitty our safety play has been.

Mecca
10-18-2009, 10:17 PM
It's pretty obvious they don't like Morgan, Mike Brown basically takes his pants off and shits everywhere on the field every Sunday and still gets to play.

The Bad Guy
10-18-2009, 10:18 PM
He hasn't been given an opportunity to show flashes of play-making ability.

Which is incredible, considering how shitty our safety play has been.

Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

OnTheWarpath58
10-18-2009, 10:19 PM
Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

Oh, I know. I was just making a point, supplementing yours - not disputing it.

Coach
10-18-2009, 10:20 PM
Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

Pre-season games, basically the Rams game IIRC.

RedThat
10-18-2009, 10:20 PM
Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

I thought he did in one of the preseason games against St. Louis I believe it was.

Tribal Warfare
10-18-2009, 10:23 PM
Let's see KC is rumored to trade Bowe, Dorsey, DJ, Morgan, and now Albert.

I guess the next one on the block is The Grand Pubba just for kicks.

Deberg_1990
10-18-2009, 10:24 PM
Yes, morgan flashed against guys playing in the UFL now.
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RINGLEADER
10-18-2009, 10:29 PM
That Jared Allen trade just keeps looking better and better...

petegz28
10-18-2009, 10:36 PM
Albert's play has certainly been disappointing this year but i can't believe that he turned to complete shit so quickly. There has to be a reason and a place for him.


it better be a #1 pick since that is what we paid for him and we already paid his signing bonus.

I can believe they don't like him at the LT spot.

Chiefshrink
10-18-2009, 10:39 PM
Hell, knowing how Parcells works these are probably trial balloons in the media to fire these guys up and at the same time "IF" we get some sucker team to bite we could make out like a bandit.

L.A. Chieffan
10-18-2009, 10:41 PM
trade to tampa bay for their #1?:hmmm:

notorious
10-18-2009, 10:41 PM
by time we are ready to win albert will be too old anyway, lets get that 5th round pick

ROFL Jesus, how long do you think it will be?

RJ
10-18-2009, 10:42 PM
Fine, they don't think Albert is a LT. I happen to agree. But don't trade him, move him to another position and find your LT elsewhere. Dude is a good offensive lineman.

The Bad Guy
10-18-2009, 10:50 PM
At his current weight though, he's not playing guard. He's way too light. They have to beef him up considerably.

I think the spread offense really hurt his development this year.

CoMoChief
10-18-2009, 10:50 PM
This would be a bad move if they traded Albert. If they dont think he's a tackle, then move him to guard and Waters to RG. Address LT in the draft or FA.

DJ needs to be on the field....PERIOD.

Mike Brown sucks...can't tackle.....again that was evident today. At least give Morgan some PT. He played well in the preseason games.

Reaper16
10-18-2009, 10:50 PM
I'll believe this horseshit when I see it. Not that it would surprise me... I just like to hold out hope that Pioli is a good evaluator of talent and not just an odd-ball, eccentric one.

BigRock
10-18-2009, 10:51 PM
I know he signed in July but the numbers he reported on were correct which means they probably had a verbal deal

Lombardi's numbers weren't accurate. He had Cassel getting $36M guaranteed.

The whole story was a total fail on his part.

TEX
10-18-2009, 10:52 PM
Fine, they don't think Albert is a LT. I happen to agree. But don't trade him, move him to another position and find your LT elsewhere. Dude is a good offensive lineman.


Yep. Guard. Possibly teach him to play RT.
Boy, that J.A. trade keeps getting better all the time. :banghead:

milkman
10-18-2009, 10:54 PM
This would be a bad move if they traded Albert. If they dont think he's a tackle, then move him to guard and Waters to RG. Address LT in the draft or FA.

DJ needs to be on the field....PERIOD.

Mike Brown sucks...can't tackle.....again that was evident today. At least give Morgan some PT. He played well in the preseason games.

Why does DJ need to be on the field?

So he can fail to maintain gap responsibility and give up another long run?

Reaper16
10-18-2009, 10:54 PM
I think the spread offense really hurt his development this year.
You could say that, I guess. I don't think it was because of that offense but more of what the coaching was like last year. The coaches were content to let Albert coast on his natural ability (and he did very well). This year the coaches changed his body weight and are having him alter his fundamentals... the way his body moves and the way his mind and body work together have been completely changed. It is unsurprising to me that he hasn't jumped out of the gate with success.

Coach
10-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Why does DJ need to be on the field?

So he can fail to maintain gap responsibility and give up another long run?

Speaking of gap responsibility, who failed to do the job where Clinton Portis went off on that play? Anybody? I can't remember, from the top of my head, who the hell blew that one.

raybec 4
10-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Why does DJ need to be on the field?

So he can fail to maintain gap responsibility and give up another long run?

This, he tries to freelance too much. He needs to just do his job.

milkman
10-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Speaking of gap responsibility, who failed to do the job where Clinton Portis went off on that play? Anybody? I can't remember, from the top of my head, who the hell blew that one.

Mays got held.

Coach
10-18-2009, 10:56 PM
Mays got held.

Ah, the horse collar holding that was never called. I remember it now.

raybec 4
10-18-2009, 10:58 PM
Mays got held.

He and Belcher are both better than I expected.

Coach
10-18-2009, 10:59 PM
Here's that holding penalty on Mays, that sprung Cliton Porktis.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8137dedb/Portis-78-yard-run

milkman
10-18-2009, 11:01 PM
He and Belcher are both better than I expected.

Mays has done a nice job in run defense for the most part, but his pass coverage leaves a lot to be desired.

It will interesting to see how Belcher develops.

58kcfan89
10-18-2009, 11:18 PM
Here's that holding penalty on Mays, that sprung Cliton Porktis.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8137dedb/Portis-78-yard-run

I know Mike Brown sucks & deserves every bit of crap he gets around here. But if he didn't make that tackle, Washington gets a big TD. I hate the way he plays just as much as the next guy, I'm just sayin'....

Mays has done a nice job in run defense for the most part, but his pass coverage leaves a lot to be desired.

It will interesting to see how Belcher develops.

I'm a big fan of Mays, but I agree. I noticed that Cooley was open quite a few times over the middle, especially early in the game, but wasn't sure if that was Mays' assignment...

kcchiefsus
10-18-2009, 11:24 PM
I hate it when new regimes come in and clean house, even with good players. More often than not you see those players leave and become solid performers elsewhere. The idea that players not brought in by the current regime are not as good is bullshit. I hate this cleaning house crap. How much turnover have we had in recent years? Quite a bit. It was needed but it's time to form a foundation and build on it, not continually getting rid of all of our players.

kcpasco
10-18-2009, 11:39 PM
Here's that holding penalty on Mays, that sprung Cliton Porktis.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8137dedb/Portis-78-yard-run

LOL
That was blatant

KCChiefsFan88
10-18-2009, 11:46 PM
I'm glad Haley feels the same way I feel about Albert... he is not an NFL-caliber left tackle.

KCDC
10-18-2009, 11:52 PM
Fine, they don't think Albert is a LT. I happen to agree. But don't trade him, move him to another position and find your LT elsewhere. Dude is a good offensive lineman.

This. If there is one thing we cannot afford to give up at this point, it is OL of any quality. Move DJ or Morgan. I don't care. But we should be acquiring OL, not considering dealing them. If only we had taken a LT at #3, instead of Jackson, we might be looking good.

milkman
10-19-2009, 12:05 AM
I'm glad Haley feels the same way I feel about Albert... he is not an NFL-caliber left tackle.

JFC

You are a fucking moron.

Tribal Warfare
10-19-2009, 12:10 AM
I'm glad Haley feels the same way I feel about Albert... he is not an NFL-caliber left tackle.

KC's trying to develop Albert, and next year will see a more polished product. Remember everyone is given 3 years to show their stuff, and if the don't have the ability they should be tossed.

philfree
10-19-2009, 12:15 AM
KC's trying to develop Albert, and next year will see a more polished product. Remember everyone is given 3 years to show their, and if the don't have the ability they should be tossed.

Our line looked better with Wade Smith on the field then it has with Albert. Hopefully he he's just tired from the weight loss and long hard TC and he will bounce back with some rest.

PhilFree:arrow:

KCChiefsFan88
10-19-2009, 12:16 AM
KC's trying to develop Albert, and next year will see a more polished product. Remember everyone is given 3 years to show their, and if the don't have the ability they should be tossed.

If the Chiefs are in a position to draft a franchise caliber left tackle near the top of the draft they can't pass that up in the hopes that Albert will come around.

KCChiefsFan88
10-19-2009, 12:17 AM
JFC

You are a ****ing moron.

And your reason for having your head up Albert's fat ass is??

kcchiefsus
10-19-2009, 12:20 AM
You know it used to be pretty much accepted as fact that it takes a tackle upwards of 3 seasons to fully develop. I think anybody giving up on Albert is crazy. Haley said himself that Albert is having to relearn some things at his lighter weight because he can no longer rely on his size to just wall off defenders. He has to use proper technique and footwork whereas before he was able to cheat a little. This is still only his second season ever playing left tackle.

RustShack
10-19-2009, 12:23 AM
If the Chiefs are in a position to draft a franchise caliber left tackle near the top of the draft they can't pass that up in the hopes that Albert will come around.

Well we don't have to worry about that this year since there isn't a franchise caliber LT in this years draft.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 12:23 AM
Well we don't have to worry about that this year since there isn't a franchise caliber LT in this years draft.

Oh shit, here comes the stampede of B12 homers...

KCChiefsFan88
10-19-2009, 12:24 AM
You know it used to be pretty much accepted as fact that it takes a tackle upwards of 3 seasons to fully develop.

Jake Long, Marcus McNeill and Ryan Clady would disagree with your three year timeframe for left tackles to show their potential.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 12:26 AM
Jake Long, Marcus McNeill and Ryan Clady would disagree with your three year timeframe for left tackles to show their potential.

Tony Sparano had admitted to giving Long help much of last year, and so far, much of this year.

Charger fans will tell you that McNeill is not the dominant force he once was.

Hell, even Joe Thomas has regressed.

Clady is the exception, not the rule.

Saccopoo
10-19-2009, 12:29 AM
This. If there is one thing we cannot afford to give up at this point, it is OL of any quality. Move DJ or Morgan. I don't care. But we should be acquiring OL, not considering dealing them. If only we had taken a LT at #3, instead of Jackson, we might be looking good.

I'm pretty convinced that if we don't take Jackson, our run defense is even worse this year than last, and I don't even know if that's actually possible to achieve.

It's not a flashy pick, and he won't ever have the stats because of the system and position he plays, but in hindsight, it was a solid pick. And the only LT that I would have drafted last season to be a LT was Oher or Monroe (I liked Oher better though), and if the Chiefs picked him at #3, you would have seen a meltdown of epic proportions.

kcchiefsus
10-19-2009, 12:30 AM
Jake Long, Marcus McNeill and Ryan Clady would disagree with your three year timeframe for left tackles to show their potential.

McNeill regressed in his second season and Jake Long has regressed this year.

Saccopoo
10-19-2009, 12:32 AM
Well we don't have to worry about that this year since there isn't a franchise caliber LT in this years draft.

I think that Okung is and will be a good LT in the NFL.

However, outside of him, I don't see much other than Zane Beadles of Utah. He's mean as shit, strong as a bull and is putting a guy on the ground on about every single play. Excellent footwork and has the agility to get out and block on the second level. I don't know if it's because he looks like a guard more than a typical LT and that he plays in the MWC, but he should be a lot higher on those "draft guru" sites than he is. He's completely legit, and I think he's a better player than former Ute and first rounder Jordan Gross. Might be better as a right tackle because of his nasty demeanor and strength, but it would almost be a waste of his footwork and agility. One of those guys who could/can be very effective on either side.

Ciron Black of LSU, is immense and talented, but his foot work and agility isn't as good as guys like Okung and Beadles, so he'll probably be looked at as a RT in the NFL even though he's been a very good LT for all four years at LSU.

I haven't seen enough of Fox at Miami (one game this season, and I was a little in the tank during it so I didn't pay enough attention to him), but have heard good things.

Charlie Brown at USC just isn't strong enough to hold off NFL level DE's. He couldn't hold the point of attack versus the ND guys and didn't seem to be able to push guys out and around.

RustShack
10-19-2009, 12:36 AM
Okung IS Albert. Difference is Okung didn't have Ferguson and Monroe playing with him forcing him inside. Also Okung is a spread LT right now, meaning he will take a few years to progress in the NFL, which you know would just set us back even more since we are already going through that transition with Albert.

Tribal Warfare
10-19-2009, 12:37 AM
One issue that would impede an Albert trade is currently Branden doesn't have great trade value do to his problems.

Saccopoo
10-19-2009, 12:37 AM
I don't want to give up on Albert either, but drafting a LT does solve two problems on the line in that you can move Albert back to his college guard position and you've upgraded two positions on the line. God knows we need to basically upgrade every position on the O-line, and that would be a good way to do it. I'm not so concerned about Albert not being our LT just because we spent a #15 pick on him, but rather that this line gets a lot better sooner rather than later. If he can be an All-Pro level guard along with the Chiefs getting a stud LT, that's okay by me.

RustShack
10-19-2009, 12:39 AM
I don't think Albert can be traded anyways... hes hurt right now and I don't think you can trade hurt players can you?

kcchiefsus
10-19-2009, 12:51 AM
I don't think Albert can be traded anyways... hes hurt right now and I don't think you can trade hurt players can you?

Sure you can, why couldn't you? If a teams will to take the risk then by all means he can be traded. It just rarely happens because the players trade value is lower due to the injury.

Raised On Riots
10-19-2009, 12:53 AM
I don't buy for one minute they don't like Brendan Albert.

Yeah, this seems like horse shit. If they've managed to find workable ground with Dorsey, I can't see throwing Albert out the door.

Raised On Riots
10-19-2009, 12:55 AM
Well we don't have to worry about that this year since there isn't a franchise caliber LT in this years draft.

Your avatar is awesome. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

ChiefsCountry
10-19-2009, 12:56 AM
I think that Okung is and will be a good LT in the NFL.

Yeah lets take the spread offense tackle who got abused last night by Mizzou in the first round. LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 01:00 AM
Okung got repeatedly pushed in the backfield by Aldon Smith, who he outweighs by 50 pounds. On top of that, Smith beat him around the edge several times.

No to BlOkung.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 01:07 AM
I think that Okung is and will be a good LT in the NFL.

However, outside of him, I don't see much other than Zane Beadles of Utah. He's mean as shit, strong as a bull and is putting a guy on the ground on about every single play. Excellent footwork and has the agility to get out and block on the second level. I don't know if it's because he looks like a guard more than a typical LT and that he plays in the MWC, but he should be a lot higher on those "draft guru" sites than he is. He's completely legit, and I think he's a better player than former Ute and first rounder Jordan Gross. Might be better as a right tackle because of his nasty demeanor and strength, but it would almost be a waste of his footwork and agility. One of those guys who could/can be very effective on either side.

Ciron Black of LSU, is immense and talented, but his foot work and agility isn't as good as guys like Okung and Beadles, so he'll probably be looked at as a RT in the NFL even though he's been a very good LT for all four years at LSU.

I haven't seen enough of Fox at Miami (one game this season, and I was a little in the tank during it so I didn't pay enough attention to him), but have heard good things.

Charlie Brown at USC just isn't strong enough to hold off NFL level DE's. He couldn't hold the point of attack versus the ND guys and didn't seem to be able to push guys out and around.

The real elite OT prospect at SC is Tyron Smith...he's only a true sophomore but he has all the talent in the world.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 01:07 AM
The only player on OK State who's worthy of a high pick is Dez Bryant and I'm iffy about him...

ChiefsCountry
10-19-2009, 01:12 AM
Chiefs have announced several transcations.

The first, the Chiefs have traded Dwayne Bowe to Miami for Ryan Baker, Will Billingsley, JD Folsom, Andrew Hartline, Derrick Jones, Julius Pruitt, James Robinson, and Kory Sperry.

The second, the Chiefs have traded Branden Albert to New England for Titus Adams, Robbie Agone, Kyle Arrington, Bruce Davis, Terrance Nunn, Daryl Richard, Isiaih Stanback and Ryan Wendall.

The third, the Chiefs have traded Derrick Johnson to Dallas for Bobby Carpenter.

:)

BryanBusby
10-19-2009, 02:10 AM
McNeill regressed in his second season and Jake Long has regressed this year.

Don't also forget to mention Joe Thomas and D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Trading Branden Albert would be the worst move the Chiefs could make. If he isn't working out at LT, move him back inside to guard. DaJuan Morgan right now might fetch a used pregnancy test, so what's the point?

Micjones
10-19-2009, 03:21 AM
I've always hated when coaches misappropriate inherited players simply because they aren't "their guys", BUT I do believe a coach (whose job is on the line) should sink or swim on their own terms. And if that means sending Albert on...so be it.

KCChiefsMan
10-19-2009, 04:37 AM
may as well trade them

booger
10-19-2009, 08:13 AM
Morgan has picked it up since a slow start in camp where he was dissapointing. He plays well on special teams. Whoever we would pick up wouldn't have the upside he does. I hope we wait another year with him.

DJ i'd say has a decent chance to get traded with the injuries to the Bears LB's and same with the Bills.

Also with the CBA and cap future and how that effects FA, it could lead to offseason trades increasing if there is lack of player movement from the FA market.

booger
10-19-2009, 08:16 AM
The NFL trade deadline is tomorrow and the Chicago Bears already got themselves a big trade when the team acquired defensive end Gaines Adams(notes) on Friday from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And now the team is trying to land a linebacker by tomorrow's deadline, according to the National Football Post.

The need apparently became even more apparent after yesterday's 21-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons when veteran linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa(notes) went down with a knee injury just after returning from three weeks of recuperating from injury.

The Bears have had a lot of injuries at linebacker this season, with both Hunter Hillenmeyer(notes) and Brian Urlacher(notes) also currently out.

A rumored target is Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson.

Source: National Football Post


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Chiefs-linebacker-Derrick-Johnson-may-be-headed-?urn=nfl,196755

booger
10-19-2009, 08:18 AM
Biggs: Could Bears be in market for a linebacker?

Tinoisamoa hurt again; Chiefs could be shopping Johnson

ATLANTA—The Bears pulled off one big trade already by acquiring defensive end Gaines Adams on Friday from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Could they be in the market for more help on defense after their 21-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons Sunday night at the Georgia Dome? It wasn’t that side of the ball that did Lovie Smith’s team in—the defense had nothing to do with two red zone turnovers—but the club suffered another potentially serious injury at linebacker.

Veteran Pisa Tinoisamoa was taken off the field on a cart with a right knee injury during the third quarter. He had just returned to action after missing three games. Tinoisamoa tore the posterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in the season opener at Green Bay. He had played very well during preseason and brought a physical presence to the front seven in the first half of the game.

Hunter Hillenmeyer has been out three weeks now with two fractured ribs and has yet to return to practice. Middle linebacker Brian Urlacher is out for the season following surgery on his right wrist. It could all add up to put general manager Jerry Angelo in a position to deal again. The Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be willing to part with Derrick Johnson, who has fallen out of favor there. The trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m.

There is no word yet on the nature of Tinoisamoa’s injury, but that should come soon. Angelo is already without his first- and second-round picks in 2010 because of the Jay Cutler and Adams’ trades. He might hesitate to thin his ’10 draft even more, but he’s starting to run out of bodies. The Bears have already used five different starters at linebacker, and if Tinoisamoa is out this coming Sunday at Cincinnati (that looks likely), Jamar Williams could be forced into duty. He would become the sixth starter the Bears have used.

Stay tuned.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Biggs-Could-Bears-be-in-market-for-a-linebacker.html

Mojo Jojo
10-19-2009, 08:19 AM
I've always hated when coaches misappropriate inherited players simply because they aren't "their guys", BUT I do believe a coach (whose job is on the line) should sink or swim on their own terms. And if that means sending Albert on...so be it.

In any business "inherited" people are always on the bubble. GM's, Coaches, Business Managers always have a rough ride with someone who is not their person.

This is just a fact of life.

jspchief
10-19-2009, 08:20 AM
What does this team have to gain by trading any of these guys away? There's no chance we would break even on the draft pick spent, and we'd also have more holes to fill in our already horrible roster. We've got Albert and Morgan with (relatively) cheap rookie contracts, and it's not like this team is capped out anyway.

It makes zero sense for the Chiefs to move them. Maybe DJ, depending on where he's at in his contract.

BigRedChief
10-19-2009, 08:22 AM
It makes zero sense for the Chiefs to move them. Maybe DJ, depending on where he's at in his contract.He's an unrestricted FA at the end of this year. Free to go anywhere he chooses.

jspchief
10-19-2009, 08:25 AM
He's an unrestricted FA at the end of this year. Free to go anywhere he chooses.Ok so I can see the DJ move. As much as I hate to see him go, he's looked totally lost playing in the 3-4. It's unlikely we'll pay him at the end of the year, so we get some value from trading him.

But trading Albert and Morgan makes no sense to the Chiefs unless someone is going to "overpay" for them.

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 08:45 AM
Waters penalties always seem to come at the absolutely worst times.

Then he is the first to cry and act like a snitch bitch to Whitlock...


Waters will be gone after this season.... Thankfully...

irishjayhawk
10-19-2009, 08:48 AM
Is there anyone we aren't considering trading?

DumbHillbillies
10-19-2009, 08:49 AM
3rd and a 5th from the eagles and albert will be a guard there

Stay off the meth

DumbHillbillies
10-19-2009, 08:50 AM
Is there anyone we aren't considering trading?

Matt Cassell and Tyson Jackson that's about it.

sparkky
10-19-2009, 09:26 AM
the reluctance of the organization to utilize the salary cap funds they have doesn't give me any reason to believe they will make any kind of deal that will better the team much.

and it's not exactly like we're laden with talent that could step in and help a contender over the hump.

Chiefnj2
10-19-2009, 09:37 AM
If the Chiefs trade Albert does that mean the Jared Allen trade wasn't a success?

boogblaster
10-19-2009, 10:01 AM
Who knows nobody is safe ... piles are piles ... man your shovels ...

Demonpenz
10-19-2009, 10:06 AM
If the Chiefs trade Albert does that mean the Jared Allen trade wasn't a success?

I would say it is a wash rigt now but if we trade albert the vikings got the better of the deal

wazimo
10-19-2009, 10:56 AM
Being that the Bears do not have a 1st or 2nd rounder in 2010, how about trading DJ for a second rounder in 2011 and say a 5th in 2010? I would prefer the pick next year, but a 2nd the following year would help our team in the long term tremendously.

Ebolapox
10-19-2009, 12:09 PM
Chiefs have announced several transcations.

The first, the Chiefs have traded Dwayne Bowe to Miami for Ryan Baker, Will Billingsley, JD Folsom, Andrew Hartline, Derrick Jones, Julius Pruitt, James Robinson, and Kory Sperry.

The second, the Chiefs have traded Branden Albert to New England for Titus Adams, Robbie Agone, Kyle Arrington, Bruce Davis, Terrance Nunn, Daryl Richard, Isiaih Stanback and Ryan Wendall.

The third, the Chiefs have traded Derrick Johnson to Dallas for Bobby Carpenter.

:)

neg rep and nuthooks.

Pestilence
10-19-2009, 12:16 PM
Being that the Bears do not have a 1st or 2nd rounder in 2010, how about trading DJ for a second rounder in 2011 and say a 5th in 2010? I would prefer the pick next year, but a 2nd the following year would help our team in the long term tremendously.

Fuck that....he's not worth a 2nd round pick. I'd ask for a 3rd and be done with it.

ChiefsCountry
10-19-2009, 12:22 PM
neg rep and nuthooks.

What you didn't think trading for Miami and New England's practice squad was funny? :D

Pestilence
10-19-2009, 12:24 PM
Biggs: Could Bears be in market for a linebacker?

Tinoisamoa hurt again; Chiefs could be shopping Johnson

ATLANTA—The Bears pulled off one big trade already by acquiring defensive end Gaines Adams on Friday from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Could they be in the market for more help on defense after their 21-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons Sunday night at the Georgia Dome? It wasn’t that side of the ball that did Lovie Smith’s team in—the defense had nothing to do with two red zone turnovers—but the club suffered another potentially serious injury at linebacker.

Veteran Pisa Tinoisamoa was taken off the field on a cart with a right knee injury during the third quarter. He had just returned to action after missing three games. Tinoisamoa tore the posterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in the season opener at Green Bay. He had played very well during preseason and brought a physical presence to the front seven in the first half of the game.

Hunter Hillenmeyer has been out three weeks now with two fractured ribs and has yet to return to practice. Middle linebacker Brian Urlacher is out for the season following surgery on his right wrist. It could all add up to put general manager Jerry Angelo in a position to deal again. The Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be willing to part with Derrick Johnson, who has fallen out of favor there. The trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m.

There is no word yet on the nature of Tinoisamoa’s injury, but that should come soon. Angelo is already without his first- and second-round picks in 2010 because of the Jay Cutler and Adams’ trades. He might hesitate to thin his ’10 draft even more, but he’s starting to run out of bodies. The Bears have already used five different starters at linebacker, and if Tinoisamoa is out this coming Sunday at Cincinnati (that looks likely), Jamar Williams could be forced into duty. He would become the sixth starter the Bears have used.

Stay tuned.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Biggs-Could-Bears-be-in-market-for-a-linebacker.html

Shit....get it done.

Ebolapox
10-19-2009, 12:49 PM
What you didn't think trading for Miami and New England's practice squad was funny? :D

nope, classless and deranged.

Mr. Laz
10-19-2009, 12:54 PM
Mays got held.
and McGraw over-pursued and took himself right out of the play iirc

Micjones
10-19-2009, 01:04 PM
Fuck that....he's not worth a 2nd round pick. I'd ask for a 3rd and be done with it.

Ask for a #3. Take the #4.

Pestilence
10-19-2009, 01:05 PM
Ask for a #3. Take the #4.

Exactly. I'd be happy with a 4th....and I'd be ecstatic if we got a 3rd.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 01:13 PM
Exactly. I'd be happy with a 4th....and I'd be ecstatic if we got a 3rd.

Spoken like a true drafturbator. WTF.

Mr. Laz
10-19-2009, 01:13 PM
**** that....he's not worth a 2nd round pick. I'd ask for a 3rd and be done with it.
the value of future pick drops each year

how much is a 2nd round pick worth two years from now?

Micjones
10-19-2009, 01:14 PM
Exactly. I'd be happy with a 4th....and I'd be ecstatic if we got a 3rd.

I won't be surprised if we get it. There are 3 or 4 teams seriously in need of LB help.

CoMoChief
10-19-2009, 01:16 PM
If the Chiefs trade Albert does that mean the Jared Allen trade wasn't a success?

WTF do you think????

Thanks Carl!!!

wild1
10-19-2009, 01:17 PM
nope, classless and deranged.

What does this phrase mean? I have seen several people use it. Is it a quote?

Shag
10-19-2009, 01:25 PM
Mays got held.

I was screaming at the TV when that happened. Hard to imagine missing a call that blatant...

penchief
10-19-2009, 01:48 PM
the value of future pick drops each year

how much is a 2nd round pick worth two years from now?

Two years from now it will be worth a 2nd round pick.

Coach
10-19-2009, 02:16 PM
Don't be surprised if the Eagles are looking for a LB as well.

milkman
10-19-2009, 07:03 PM
And your reason for having your head up Albert's fat ass is??

It has nothing to do with my "head up Albert's ass"

It has to so with your head, as usual, up yours.

Mike Lombardi is speculating based on reports from OTAs and TC that management is unhappy with Albert and Dorsey.

If you didn't have your head up your ass, you'd know that these are a couple of guys that worked their asses off and haley has nothing but good things to say about them since the preseason.

But, of course, you only see the report your dumb ass wants to see.

I would just like to know how it is you know exactly when to pull your head out your ass to read these dumbass reports?

I have to give you credit.
That's pretty fucking remarkable.

Mr. Laz
10-19-2009, 07:22 PM
Two years from now it will be worth a 2nd round pick.
i'll tell ya what .... i'll trade a million dollars in 2060 for a million today. Same value, right?




the common theme is that the value drops 1 rd each year.

penchief
10-21-2009, 08:18 AM
i'll tell ya what .... i'll trade a million dollars in 2060 for a million today. Same value, right?




the common theme is that the value drops 1 rd each year.

Which is stupid because when the pick is made it is still a second round pick. Not a third, or a fourth, or anything else. And when that pick is on the clock it will have the same value that it normally would.

Delayed gratification is not any less gratifying.

SenselessChiefsFan
10-21-2009, 08:29 AM
Which is stupid because when the pick is made it is still a second round pick. Not a third, or a fourth, or anything else. And when that pick is on the clock it will have the same value that it normally would.

Delayed gratification is not any less gratifying.

Not really. The thought is that a proper third round pick, that is developed and coached for a year... will be equal to a second round pick the following year.

The other point is that when a team sees a player in the third round they want, but don't have a pick, they will trade a second the following year to have the third in that year.

CoMoChief
10-21-2009, 08:33 AM
Which is stupid because when the pick is made it is still a second round pick. Not a third, or a fourth, or anything else. And when that pick is on the clock it will have the same value that it normally would.

Delayed gratification is not any less gratifying.

Thats not how it works in the NFL though. Because you have to think you're not getting the value of the trade until a year later. Not to mention that's just one more season you have to wait for a rookie to get accustomed to the league's play.

penchief
10-21-2009, 11:24 AM
Thats not how it works in the NFL though. Because you have to think you're not getting the value of the trade until a year later. Not to mention that's just one more season you have to wait for a rookie to get accustomed to the league's play.

There's way too much overanalysis going on here. It's a second round pick. period. If you want to deduct points for waiting I guess that's your preroggative but it in the real world it doesn't make that pick any less valuable when that pick is on the clock.

If another team wants to trade up to that spot they're not going to deduct value because that pick was acquired from another team in a previous season. Waiting to cash in on the pick doesn't devalue the pick in any way.

Mr. Laz
10-21-2009, 12:16 PM
Which is stupid because when the pick is made it is still a second round pick. Not a third, or a fourth, or anything else. And when that pick is on the clock it will have the same value that it normally would.

Delayed gratification is not any less gratifying.
fine ... if it's the same then why don't you trade me all the money your currently have for the same amount + 1 dollar next year.

i mean it's the same value and then you can make a free dollar.

Mr. Laz
10-21-2009, 12:19 PM
There's way too much overanalysis going on here. It's a second round pick. period. If you want to deduct points for waiting I guess that's your preroggative but it in the real world it doesn't make that pick any less valuable when that pick is on the clock.

If another team wants to trade up to that spot they're not going to deduct value because that pick was acquired from another team in a previous season. Waiting to cash in on the pick doesn't devalue the pick in any way.
wrong,wrong,wrong

there is inherent value in owning the item and being able to use the item now as opposed to have to wait a year or two before you can start the process.

DaWolf
10-21-2009, 12:27 PM
There could be a couple of overriding factors:
A) You could use that pick to either trade for a veteran/restricted free agent, or to move up in the draft, which would make it more worthwhile to have.

B) Any pick is only as good as the player you pick with it. A second round pick in the hands of Carl is worthless. We'll have to see what a second round pick in the hands of Pioli is going to be worth.

While I agree that it is better to draft a player and have him develop and be useful earlier, not all drafts and offseasons are created equally. With the depth that this upcoming draft class should supposedly have, if used correctly, it can become a valuable player for 2010.

Keep your fingers crossed that Pioli has put together a good scouting department this year, because we're going to need to hit on damn near every pick...

penchief
10-24-2009, 06:51 PM
wrong,wrong,wrong

there is inherent value in owning the item and being able to use the item now as opposed to have to wait a year or two before you can start the process.

Would you rather have had a 3rd this year over the 2nd next year?

Mr. Laz
10-24-2009, 07:05 PM
Would you rather have had a 3rd this year over the 2nd next year?
it depends on what condition my team is in ... what the draft is like.

Can i afford to wait? Is there someone specific i'm targeting.


bottom line that the value degrades


it's a fact, no matter how much you don't like it

penchief
10-24-2009, 07:13 PM
it depends on what condition my team is in ... what the draft is like.

Can i afford to wait? Is there someone specific i'm targeting.


bottom line that the value degrades


it's a fact, no matter how much you don't like it

I'm not disagreeing that a lot of people give creedence to measuring trade value that way. It's not anything I agree or disagree with. I just think it's stupid. The trade value is different than the value of that pick when it's on the clock.

Soley in terms of draft value, a 2nd is worth more than a 3rd. Always has been and always will be.

I'll reword my question for you. Concerning our trade of Gonzalez, would you have been happier with a 3rd or 4th last year or the 2nd this year?

Raised On Riots
10-24-2009, 10:00 PM
No more drafting. From now on we plant magic beans that grow in to Pro Bowlers once a year.

Pro Bowlers with sizzle goddamnit.