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Dicky McElephant
10-19-2009, 02:06 PM
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The first one to guess it right gets $100,000 in casino cash.

Discus.

RE to the POST.

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Gaz.

FAX.

KCChiefsMan
10-19-2009, 02:10 PM
4 games and 100K

ferrarispider95
10-19-2009, 02:11 PM
2 games 75k

El Jefe
10-19-2009, 02:12 PM
4 games and 100K

2 games 50k

donkhater
10-19-2009, 02:14 PM
Isn't he Greg Wesley's Cousin or Brother?

Frazod
10-19-2009, 02:14 PM
Holy shit. That was dirty enough to impress Romanowski.

Coach
10-19-2009, 02:15 PM
1 game

$35,000 fine.

Of course, I'm sure the NFLPA will cry over it.

wheeler08
10-19-2009, 02:15 PM
personally I think he should be out for the season. that was cold blooded. But I'm guessing no suspension and 75K

Der Flöprer
10-19-2009, 02:16 PM
No suspension, 10k fine.

El Jefe
10-19-2009, 02:21 PM
No suspension, 10k fine.

No way, he's gonna be out some games IMO.

-King-
10-19-2009, 02:21 PM
No suspension, 10k fine.

Ray lewis was fined 25k for a much tamer hit last week.


So I'm going with 1 or 2 games out and 45k fine.
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penguinz
10-19-2009, 02:26 PM
He will have a hefty fine and then the NFL will feature the hit as a big hit in the offseason on the NFL Network or on a DVD for purchase.

Stinger
10-19-2009, 02:26 PM
No suspension, 10k fine.

Eric Smith received a one-game ban and a $50,000 fine for launching himself into Anquan Boldin last year. I think that will be a minimum in this case.

BigMeatballDave
10-19-2009, 02:26 PM
No suspension, 50k

TinyEvel
10-19-2009, 02:28 PM
:eek:

Holy moly. WTFBBQ?!? If I were a TB player I'd have gone to the locker room and gotten my gun and waited for Wesley in the lot.

DumbHillbillies
10-19-2009, 02:28 PM
1 game suspension and 50K

stormtrooper
10-19-2009, 02:28 PM
that was cheap. pussy took a cheap shot and he will pay next time they play.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 02:29 PM
1 game, $50K

Dicky McElephant
10-19-2009, 02:30 PM
1 game, $50K

You better pick something else if you want the money.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 02:31 PM
You better pick something else if you want the money.

Eh, he posted while I was typing.

Don't care about the money, but I think this will be the answer.

DumbHillbillies
10-19-2009, 02:32 PM
1 game, $50K

You better pick something else if you want the money.

Yeah, the early bird gets the money.

Jilly
10-19-2009, 02:32 PM
I go with BigChiefDave, 50K, no suspension

DumbHillbillies
10-19-2009, 02:36 PM
1 game suspension and 50K

Saw a part of this lowlight yesterday. I was wondering if greg wesley was still in the league and this was the type of things he was doing to play. Being the goon

jjjayb
10-19-2009, 02:46 PM
2 GAMES, 75K.

Demonpenz
10-19-2009, 02:52 PM
can someone describe what happened.

Old Dog
10-19-2009, 03:04 PM
2 games 50K

Jilly
10-19-2009, 03:05 PM
can someone describe what happened.

punt receiver hit before ball even comes down, not just hit....but almost helmet to helmet hit...his head snapped back and was taken off field in a stretcher....

Halfcan
10-19-2009, 03:05 PM
2 games 100 k

Demonpenz
10-19-2009, 03:06 PM
kinda like the hit palamalu had at USC on some poor dude

Chief Henry
10-19-2009, 03:06 PM
2 games 50K

Since Wesley did it last year too, he'll get something heavy this time.

My guess 2 games and 50 K.....The players assn. will have a cow.

I wonder what the league does with fine money ?

Demonpenz
10-19-2009, 03:08 PM
fine money goes to charity last time i heard

rockymtnchief
10-19-2009, 03:10 PM
50K and 3 games.

Jilly
10-19-2009, 03:10 PM
kinda like the hit palamalu had at USC on some poor dude


worse, because the ball had barely started descending..... in that instance, the ball had at least ALMOST gotten into the hands of the receiver

BY1401
10-19-2009, 03:15 PM
1 game, $50,001.

Dicky McElephant
10-19-2009, 03:19 PM
punt receiver hit before ball even comes down, not just hit....but almost helmet to helmet hit...his head snapped back and was taken off field in a stretcher....

The guy got up after a minute or two and walked off the field on his own. Watch at 2:19.

Stinger
10-19-2009, 03:22 PM
Yeah, the early bird gets the money.

Yep see post 13 :D LMAO LMAO

Jilly
10-19-2009, 03:23 PM
The guy got up after a minute or two and walked off the field on his own. Watch at 2:19.

honest mistake....wasn't there someone, either in that game or another yesterday who actually had to be taken off the field in a stretcher? I remember looking up and seeing that and my husband said something to the effect of, "I hate to see that"

soundmind
10-19-2009, 03:26 PM
No suspension, $25K at most.

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 03:27 PM
4 games and my guess 25% of his salary...

Or no games and 25% of his salary...

Dicky McElephant
10-19-2009, 03:33 PM
honest mistake....wasn't there someone, either in that game or another yesterday who actually had to be taken off the field in a stretcher? I remember looking up and seeing that and my husband said something to the effect of, "I hate to see that"

No big deal.....

There might have been someone injured in the game. I was too busy watching the abomination that was the Chiefs/Redskins game.

BY1401
10-19-2009, 03:54 PM
honest mistake....wasn't there someone, either in that game or another yesterday who actually had to be taken off the field in a stretcher? I remember looking up and seeing that and my husband said something to the effect of, "I hate to see that"

LenDale White was carted off.

RJ
10-19-2009, 03:58 PM
F@gger needs his ass whipped.

jidar
10-19-2009, 04:02 PM
2 games. 30k

Jerm
10-19-2009, 04:05 PM
Should be for the rest of the season, can't see that though.

Ill go 3 games, 40k.
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wazu
10-19-2009, 04:06 PM
Watching the video, it almost looks like he gets up and tries to run away before the Bucs players can catch him and beat him to death.

SPchief
10-19-2009, 04:11 PM
2 games $100k

King_Chief_Fan
10-19-2009, 04:14 PM
2 games -- $75K

Bane
10-19-2009, 04:21 PM
He gets traded to Oakland and Tom Cable punches him in the mouth.:thumb:

I'll say 1 game,$7,500.

wazu
10-19-2009, 04:26 PM
Oh, and my guess - 3 games, 75K fine.

Closest thing I could think of to this was the Haynesworth "stomping" incident which was 5 games. This wasn't that bad, but it was clearly pre-meditated and not really a part of game action. The "shock" factor of it will result in heavier than normal response from the Commish. Was freaky seeing the guy hit the ground and not move at all.

RockChalk
10-19-2009, 04:37 PM
kinda like the hit palamalu had at USC on some poor dude

I believe that poor dude was David Allen from KSU

RockChalk
10-19-2009, 04:38 PM
:eek:

Holy moly. WTFBBQ?!? If I were a TB player I'd have gone to the locker room and gotten my gun and waited for Wesley in the lot.

It appeared to me that Talib wanted to do just that

DumbHillbillies
10-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Yep see post 13 :D LMAO LMAO

Bastard. Jokes on me.

C-Mac
10-19-2009, 04:55 PM
Sadly, this is the first step in developing the dreaded Bobby Wade Anti-Return Syndrome

Fritz88
10-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Talib is begging for a fight.

100,000 3 games

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 05:16 PM
I'd like to change my guess to 1 game suspension without pay, no fine.

insidenation
10-19-2009, 05:35 PM
just make a 2 games suspension, no fine dudes

Dicky McElephant
10-19-2009, 05:41 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

League suspends Dante Wesley for one game
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2009 5:50 PM ET
Eschewing the system of progressive discipline that typically applies to players who violate in-game safety rules, the NFL has suspended Panthers safety Dante Wesley for one game, without pay, based on his blow to the head and neck of Tampa Bay punt returner Clifton Smith during Sunday's game between the two teams.

Wesley left his feet and launched himself at Smith while Smith was waiting to catch a punt.

Wesley was penalized and ejected from the game.

Wrote NFL V.P. of football operations Ray Anderson in a letter to Wesley: "The playing rules (Rule 10, Section 1, Article 1) specifically provide that a member of the kicking team is prohibited from interfering with a receiver attempting to catch an airborne kick. The prohibited contact in this case went well beyond simply interfering with the receiver. Instead, by striking your defenseless opponent in the head and neck area, you committed an unnecessary and unnecessarily dangerous act that is specifically prohibited by the rules. . . .

"Your actions are of particular concern in light of the emphasis that our office has placed on developing and enforcing rules designed to protect players from injury, including head and neck injuries. The safety of our players is paramount to all of us in the NFL."

Wesley will miss Sunday's game against the Bills due to what the league has termed a "flagrant violation" of player safety rules.


Take it for what it's worth....I won't hand out the casino cash until I see something more reliable.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 05:50 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/


Take it for what it's worth....I won't hand out the casino cash until I see something more reliable.

WHOO!

I'd like to change my guess to 1 game suspension without pay, no fine.

Aw, fuck. It's Florio. Must be bullshit...

:rolleyes:

Bwana
10-19-2009, 06:41 PM
25k 3 games

Simply Red
10-19-2009, 06:50 PM
Something similar to a night like Billy Batts, last.

Redrum_69
10-19-2009, 07:15 PM
One game suspension and a raise.

His special teams coach prolly got a raise too....right after the team celebrated with cristal.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 07:17 PM
I'd like to change my guess to 1 game suspension without pay, no fine.



http://dltj.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/money_2.jpg

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4578211

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The NFL suspended Carolina Panthers special teams player Dante Wesley one game without pay Monday for launching himself into defenseless Tampa Bay returner Clifton Smith.

Wesley left his feet and hit Smith in the neck and head with his forearm and shoulder as Smith waited to field a punt late in the second quarter on Sunday. Smith sustained a concussion and both benches emptied onto the field. Wesley was immediately ejected.

Smith had not signaled for a fair catch and Wesley said he mistimed hitting him. But NFL executive vice president of football operations Ray Anderson called the act a flagrant violation of player safety rules.

"The prohibited contact in this case went well beyond simply interfering with the receiver," Anderson wrote in a letter to Wesley. "Instead, by striking your defenseless opponent in the head and neck area, you committed an unnecessary and unnecessarily dangerous act that is specifically prohibited by the rules.

"Your actions are of particular concern in light of the emphasis that our office has placed on developing and enforcing rules designed to protect players from injury, including head and neck injuries. The safety of our players is paramount to all of us in the NFL."

Wesley, who will lose more than $36,000 in salary because of the suspension, has spent seven of his eight NFL seasons with the Panthers. While he's deep down the depth chart at cornerback, Wesley is the gunner on special teams and entered this season ranked 10th in team history with 46 special teams tackles.

"I was just trying to make a play," Wesley said after the game, a 28-21 Carolina victory. "You can check my record. ... I've never really tried to hurt anybody."

Coach John Fox said after watching the film Monday he didn't believe Wesley was trying to injure Smith, who did not return to the game.

"It's not intentional. It's not done maliciously," Fox said. "You've got to make a split-second decision. It's no different than driving to work and putting your brakes on. Sometimes accidents happen."

The Panthers allowed a 97-yard kickoff return for a touchdown after Wesley's ejection. He'll sit out next Sunday's game against Buffalo.

Coach
10-19-2009, 07:24 PM
1 game, $36,000 fine.

I was damn close.

stlchiefs
10-19-2009, 07:31 PM
Wow what a worthless ruling. Does the NFL ever consider precedent when making decisions? They are really started to look stupid as they obviously don't and it's becoming evident there's no rhyme or reason to their decisions. Sometimes they sight a players previous actions, sometimes they don't, sometimes they fine and suspend, sometimes they just suspend or fine. This deserved more than what was given.

stlchiefs
10-19-2009, 07:58 PM
For reference here is Eric Smith's hit on Boldin last year that garnered a $50,000 fine and 1 game suspension. Tell me again how Dante Wesley's hit was not 5x worse than this play.

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Pants
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
Watching the video, it almost looks like he gets up and tries to run away before the Bucs players can catch him and beat him to death.

I think the dumbass was going for the ball...

Coach
10-19-2009, 08:23 PM
So Pestilence, who wins?

WilliamTheIrish
10-19-2009, 08:29 PM
I believe that poor dude was David Allen from KSU

And you would be incorrect. It was Aaron Lockett. Brutal hit too.

EyePod
10-19-2009, 09:10 PM
Wasn't that bad... I mean, the hit on Boldin last year was the worst I've ever seen, what'd they get?

stlchiefs
10-19-2009, 09:20 PM
Wasn't that bad... I mean, the hit on Boldin last year was the worst I've ever seen, what'd they get?

see a few posts above you to compare the vids. Smith got 1 game and $50k last year for the hit on Boldin, but at least Boldin was fair game at the time, this was just crap.

KcMizzou
10-19-2009, 09:21 PM
Wasn't that bad... I mean, the hit on Boldin last year was the worst I've ever seen, what'd they get?It was a fair catch...

It was ****ing brutal and intentional.

jspchief
10-19-2009, 09:57 PM
It was a fair catch...

It was ****ing brutal and intentional.Actually, he didn't call for a fair catch. Still brutal.

notorious
10-19-2009, 10:05 PM
Polomalu is a cock sucking piece of shit. Lockett wasn't ever the same after that hit.


Good thing KSU broke it off in their ass over and over again.

Rain Man
10-19-2009, 10:30 PM
Honestly, it doesn't look to me like he was aiming for the head. It looked to me like he was aiming for the upper chest and just caught a piece of the face mask. I know y'all will beat me up for saying this, but I don't think it was an intentionally dirty hit.

Is the "launching" thing illegal? If that's illegal, then I would amend my statement above, but I don't think it is.

Dave Lane
10-19-2009, 10:35 PM
No suspension $25k

Dave Lane
10-19-2009, 10:36 PM
Honestly, it doesn't look to me like he was aiming for the head. It looked to me like he was aiming for the upper chest and just caught a piece of the face mask. I know y'all will beat me up for saying this, but I don't think it was an intentionally dirty hit.

Is the "launching" thing illegal? If that's illegal, then I would amend my statement above, but I don't think it is.

"Spearing" is illegal and launching yourself head first at someone qualifies

Rain Man
10-19-2009, 10:40 PM
"Spearing" is illegal and launching yourself head first at someone qualifies

But it looked to me like he hit him with his shoulder primarily, not his helmet.

There was a forearm going too, and maybe that was a problem. But if a Chief was involved on either side, I wouldn't take major issue with it. Maybe I'm missing something on the tape.

KcMizzou
10-19-2009, 10:48 PM
Actually, he didn't call for a fair catch. Still brutal.My bad. To quote the ref, "Fair catch interference, which was also a personal foul...."

About the 1:58 mark.

Dave Lane
10-19-2009, 10:55 PM
But it looked to me like he hit him with his shoulder primarily, not his helmet.

There was a forearm going too, and maybe that was a problem. But if a Chief was involved on either side, I wouldn't take major issue with it. Maybe I'm missing something on the tape.

Leaving your feet and launching into someone is spearing. Period. Head doesn't have to be used.

Dave Lane
10-19-2009, 11:01 PM
This is new but would apply as well.

According to NFL rules, a new rules state that the initial force of a blindside block can’t be delivered by a helmet, forearm or shoulder to an opponent’s head or neck. An illegal blindside block will bring a 15-yard penalty. Check out the block by Pittsburgh's Hines Ward on Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Keith Rivers and you'll understand what the owners are getting at here.

wazu
10-19-2009, 11:21 PM
1 game, $36,000 fine.

I was damn close.

A pretty flagrant statement that player safety is not important. At all. (Unless, of course, the player's name is Tom Brady.)

Rain Man
10-19-2009, 11:25 PM
Leaving your feet and launching into someone is spearing. Period. Head doesn't have to be used.

If that's the case then I will concede the argument, but it sure seems like that happens a lot. This was just more blatant.

amnorix's rule quote makes sense too, I guess, if you assume that Wesley went for the neck and that the rule applies to both blocking and tackling.

DaFace
10-19-2009, 11:51 PM
Oh, and my guess - 3 games, 75K fine.

Closest thing I could think of to this was the Haynesworth "stomping" incident which was 5 games. This wasn't that bad, but it was clearly pre-meditated and not really a part of game action. The "shock" factor of it will result in heavier than normal response from the Commish. Was freaky seeing the guy hit the ground and not move at all.

Does anyone know if there was a backstory of this? Had they been jawing during the game or anything? Or did this dude just get a stick up his ass and decide to destroy the returner?

listopencil
10-20-2009, 12:00 AM
1 game $25k.






















Hee hee

Pink Paradise 2010
10-20-2009, 11:52 PM
6 games at 100k