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Sure-Oz
10-19-2009, 07:54 PM
CHIEFS TRADE TANK TYLER
October 19th – 7:48 PM

Breaking News: The Chiefs have traded DT Tank Tyler to the Carolina Panthers for an undisclosed draft pick in 2010.

Per josh looney twitter

UPDATE-The Chiefs got a fifth-rounder in 2010 for Tyler. Per Kent Babb twitter

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 07:54 PM
ROFL

seaofred
10-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Whoa!

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 07:54 PM
At least Herm had an eye for talent.

Good bye, Tank. May you always find a corn field to wander through.

Chiefs4TheWin
10-19-2009, 07:54 PM
oh I cant wait to see this one.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 07:56 PM
Best wishes. :(

http://www.celsias.com/media/uploads/admin/corn_field.jpg

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 07:56 PM
5th or 6th?

Rain Man
10-19-2009, 07:56 PM
What? Is this serious? What's going on here?

Coach
10-19-2009, 07:56 PM
lol. Well, it ain't Glen Dorsey!

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 07:56 PM
sweet...

milkman
10-19-2009, 07:56 PM
At least Herm had an eye for talent.

Good bye, Tank. May you always find a corn field to wander through.

Tank did have talent.

We just never used it properly here.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
5th or 6th?

Fucking 3rd. Better be.

seaofred
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
My independent source says a 4th... Just kidding.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Tank did have talent.

We just never used it properly here.

This.

kstater
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Rainman's going to be crushed.

rockymtnchief
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Wow

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Tank did have talent.

We just never used it properly here.

Oh, sure, defend your dad.

chiefzilla1501
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Obvious question, but who the fuck plays backup nose tackle now? I'm all for trading away these guys, but our d-line is getting gassed and lacks depth as it is. I'm not sure I understand a move like this.

Rain Man
10-19-2009, 07:58 PM
If this is true, I'll be crushed.

milkman
10-19-2009, 07:58 PM
5th or 6th?

1st.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 07:58 PM
Obvious question, but who the fuck plays backup nose tackle now? I'm all for trading away these guys, but our d-line is getting gassed and lacks depth as it is. I'm not sure I understand a move like this.

Edwards. -----------------------------------------

Sure-Oz
10-19-2009, 07:58 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/10/19/the_morning_after__washington/

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 07:59 PM
Obvious question, but who the fuck plays backup nose tackle now? I'm all for trading away these guys, but our d-line is getting gassed and lacks depth as it is. I'm not sure I understand a move like this.

No clue.

Absolutely no clue.

|Zach|
10-19-2009, 07:59 PM
I liked the guy, hope he does well for himself.

Easy 6
10-19-2009, 07:59 PM
TANK SANK

milkman
10-19-2009, 07:59 PM
5th or 6th?

Wish we'd have traded him for Duke Robinson, strait up.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
He did have a great line in Hard Knocks.

Something like, "Fuck it. I blame myself."

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
We don't even have anyone on the practice squad that can play NT.

Maybe another move coming?

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
Another 2nd rnd pick bites the dust. :shake:

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
I liked the guy, hope he does well for himself.

Yep.

CaliforniaChief
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
So if it's an undisclosed pick, does that mean it's conditional? Or that they just aren't saying?

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:01 PM
Another 2nd rnd pick bites the dust. :shake:

3rd.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 08:01 PM
Another 2nd rnd pick bites the dust. :shake:

Or 3rd.

CaliforniaChief
10-19-2009, 08:01 PM
Another 2nd rnd pick bites the dust. :shake:

Wasn't he a 3rd rounder? Not that it becomes acceptable.

milkman
10-19-2009, 08:01 PM
No clue.

Absolutely no clue.

We're going to trade DJ to Detroit for Turk Mcbride to back up Ron Edwards.

OnTheWarpath58
10-19-2009, 08:01 PM
So if it's an undisclosed pick, does that mean it's conditional? Or that they just aren't saying?

They just aren't saying yet.

stlchiefs
10-19-2009, 08:01 PM
another one hops off the carousel.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:01 PM
Or 3rd.

Wasn't he a 3rd rounder? Not that it becomes acceptable.

Repost.

Repost.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:02 PM
We don't even have anyone on the practice squad that can play NT.

Maybe another move coming?

That's what I was thinking.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:02 PM
tank was a third

I'll be here all night.

milkman
10-19-2009, 08:03 PM
Another 2nd rnd pick bites the dust. :shake:

Well, let me be about the 100th to repost.
He was a third.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:03 PM
Prelude to the Cody selection this spring...

Pooch
10-19-2009, 08:04 PM
Man we have not had a good draft in a long time!!

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:04 PM
tank was a third:spock: And McBride is no longer with the team as well. :shake: Great draft.:cuss:

CaliforniaChief
10-19-2009, 08:04 PM
I dunno. I won't believe it until I hear it from Florio.

BigMeatballDave
10-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Carl Peterson. He's like herpes. Even when its gone, its ugly aftermath is lurking under the surface...

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Well, let me be about the 100th to repost.
He was a third.I keep getting McBride and Tyler mixed up. Since their both gone I guess I don't have to worry about that anymore.

TheGuardian
10-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Wasn't Tank a third rounder?






















;)

seaofred
10-19-2009, 08:05 PM
So does that leave only Flowers and Carr as good picks by Edwards?

chiefs1111
10-19-2009, 08:06 PM
We don't even have anyone on the practice squad that can play NT.

Maybe another move coming?

I sure hope so

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:06 PM
So does that leave only Flowers and Carr as good picks by Edwards?

Colquitt. Dorsey may pull it out yet as well. Albert??? Hali??

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:06 PM
So does that leave only Flowers and Carr as good picks by Edwards?

:eek:

Yes. Bowe, Albert, and Dorsey suck.

Oh, and the cornerstone sucks, too. Oh, and the punter sucks.

Rausch
10-19-2009, 08:07 PM
Great or stupid move there's no way all these cuts happen without an OK by GMP...

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:07 PM
more proof that pioli only trades with the patriots

-King-
10-19-2009, 08:08 PM
So does that leave only Flowers and Carr as good picks by Edwards?

Bowe.






And medlock....I kid, I kid.
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kstater
10-19-2009, 08:08 PM
I'm beginning to get the impression that the Chiefs brass are only looking to the future and not concerning themselves with this year.

Huffman83
10-19-2009, 08:08 PM
I don't get it....why?

Reaper16
10-19-2009, 08:08 PM
Another 2nd rnd pick bites the dust. :shake:
I don't know why you haven't been corrected yet; Tank was a 3rd.

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:09 PM
Colquitt. Dorsey may pull it out yet as well. Albert??? Hali??Wasn't Hali a Vermeil pick?

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:09 PM
I'm beginning to get the impression that the Chiefs brass are only looking to the future and not concerning themselves with this year.

you're quick....


sorry, had to..j/k

it was obvious when we traded tony

Rausch
10-19-2009, 08:09 PM
Wasn't Hali a Vermeil pick?

Nein.

Herm...

Spicy McHaggis
10-19-2009, 08:10 PM
What will Nick Wright do now?

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:10 PM
Wasn't Hali a Vermeil pick?

Herm.

It was the year we passed on Crow-Marty. :D

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:10 PM
I don't know why you haven't been corrected yet; Tank was a 3rd.So I've been told. Thank you. :D

unothadeal
10-19-2009, 08:11 PM
Another 2nd rnd pick bites the dust. :shake:

He was a 4th, dumbass.

booger
10-19-2009, 08:12 PM
Carolina GM Marty Hurney was scouting KC's preseason games and rumors were it was for Dorsey when their huge NT went down. They traded for some DT from the vikes and he is now on IR.

Coach
10-19-2009, 08:12 PM
He was a 4th, dumbass.

3RD!

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:12 PM
He was a 4th, dumbass.

5th, actually.

TheGuardian
10-19-2009, 08:12 PM
Herm.

It was the year we passed on Crow-Marty. :D

....who is atrocious I don't care how many picks he had 1 season. That guy gets beat like a drum and has virtually no real cover skills.

RJ
10-19-2009, 08:13 PM
I'm beginning to get the impression that the Chiefs brass are only looking to the future and not concerning themselves with this year.


Looking to the future and getting rid of the past.

Reminds me of when I took over a fantasy BB team in a keeper league a couple years ago. I just sold off players until the roster looked like my own.

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:13 PM
He was a 4th, dumbass.3rd.

Rausch
10-19-2009, 08:13 PM
Herm.

It was the year we passed on Crow-Marty. :D

Yeah.

What could have been...

http://www.allcanes.com/blog/uploaded_images/ster-723043.jpg

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:13 PM
....who is atrocious I don't care how many picks he had 1 season. That guy gets beat like a drum and has virtually no real cover skills.

Who was also selected at 19, whereas Hali went at 20.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Please tell me we aren't going to use our top 10 pick on Terrence Cody.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Yeah.

What could have been...

http://www.allcanes.com/blog/uploaded_images/ster-723043.jpg

Medical science kicks ass.

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:14 PM
he was a 3rd in reality

a 6th in spirit

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Please tell me we aren't going to use our top 10 pick on Terrence Cody.

Repost.

TheGuardian
10-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Who was also selected at 19, whereas Hali went at 20.

Thanks. I didn't even bother to look Was that another one of the "we could have selected this guy" even though he wasn't available discussions?

booger
10-19-2009, 08:14 PM
I don't get it....why?

They are happy with Ron Edwards. I don't think it's a negative on Tank at all. he just fits a 43 front better. Could have had him gain weight but he worked his way down to below 310 in the '08 offseason and stayed at that weight and played well last year and this year. Just not big enough in the lower body or stout enough to hold up at NT.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Repost.

Yea I fully expect it because it'd be blah.

RJ
10-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Yeah.

What could have been...

http://www.allcanes.com/blog/uploaded_images/ster-723043.jpg

That young lady is rather attractive.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Thanks. I didn't even bother to look Was that another one of the "we could have selected this guy" even though he wasn't available discussions?

Basically. His name has come up from time to time around here.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:16 PM
Wasn't Hali a Vermeil pick?

Nope.

TheGuardian
10-19-2009, 08:16 PM
Tank will prolly be ok in Carolina. I think he is one of the guys kind of caught in the middle in this scheme. He just doesn't have the transferable strength to the field nor leverage abilities to play nose in a 30 front. I think Tank will prolly end up a pretty solid rotational guy in a 40 front if he can keep his weight in check.

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:16 PM
They are happy with Ron Edwards. I don't think it's a negative on Tank at all. he just fits a 43 front better. Could have had him gain weight but he worked his way down to below 310 in the '08 offseason and stayed at that weight and played well last year and this year. Just not big enough in the lower body or stout enough to hold up at NT.

he played well last year?

Rausch
10-19-2009, 08:16 PM
Medical science kicks ass.

I'm a big fan of the WWII collection they've amassed.

And hoots. I don't know what it is but they bloom as easily and often as oranges down there...:hmmm:

Bwana
10-19-2009, 08:16 PM
3rd.

8th

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Yea I fully expect it because it'd be blah.

We're getting a lineman. The only question is, "For which side?"

Rausch
10-19-2009, 08:17 PM
8th

I call, and raise a Lake Dawson...

TrickyNicky
10-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Colquitt. Dorsey may pull it out yet as well. Albert??? Hali??

Colquitt was drafted in '05.

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:18 PM
8thI surrender.

Rausch
10-19-2009, 08:18 PM
We're getting a lineman. The only question is, "For which side?"

It'd be great if he wanted to block for us.

Y'know, since we bothered to draft him and pay him and all...

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:18 PM
I'm a big fan of the WWII collection they've amassed.

And hoots. I don't know what it is but they bloom as easily and often as oranges down there...:hmmm:

The threat of bathing-suit season is always looming. Thus the need for tits, tans, and tone.

That's a lot of fucking win.

Huffman83
10-19-2009, 08:18 PM
Well for the sake of argument...What NT will the Chiefs trade for or sign?

Direckshun
10-19-2009, 08:18 PM
Thing is, he's young enough to be worth quite a bit in a decent 4-3.

I bet we get great value out of this. Far more than anything we would have gotten with him.

3rd if he becomes a regular part of his rotation. 4th if he plays but isn't effective. 5th if he doesn't play.

Great work for us. Tank was literally the worst NT in the NFL.

Bwana
10-19-2009, 08:18 PM
I call, and raise a Lake Dawson...

I'll take that bet and raise you a Steve Bono.

BossChief
10-19-2009, 08:18 PM
Any chance this is signaling we might be working a deal to trade for Wilfork?

Edwards cant play every down

Deberg_1990
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
Just a hunch but Pioli really hates Herms picks.

TrickyNicky
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
The question becomes.... Will Cody run the 40 with his shirt off?

Mr. Laz
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
and yet Niswanger is still our starting center.....

Bwana
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
I surrender.

LMAO

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
Colquitt was drafted in '05.

Meh, that's right.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
Colquitt was drafted in '05.

Fuck you, Herm!

milkman
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
Well for the sake of argument...What NT will the Chiefs trade for or sign?

We're going to resign Derek Lokey, of course.

TheGuardian
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
If we got a third for tank I'd crap a peach. Tank is a decent player who doesn't fit into this scheme but should be a very solid guy in a 40 front rotation.

Be interesting to see what we got.

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:20 PM
what if we just tied gutierrez to Pope's ass....

problem solved

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:20 PM
I'll take that bet and raise you a Steve Bono.

I see your Steve Bono and raise you an Elvis Grbac and a Greg Hill.

booger
10-19-2009, 08:20 PM
he played well last year?

I think so. Are troubles last year stopping the run were the DE play, Pat Thomas at MLB, overall crap at LB in general. Not giving Demo Williams any time and instead playing weston dacus. Alphonso boone at LDE.

The DT play was the only bright spot besides the 3 rookie CB's.

Didn't generate much from the pass rush.

doomy3
10-19-2009, 08:20 PM
Didn't see this one coming, but I do like acquiring more draft picks...

Rausch
10-19-2009, 08:21 PM
Colquitt was drafted in '05.

He was born in a lab, perfected by a team of scientists, and let loose upon an unsuspecting world...

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:22 PM
I think so. Are troubles last year stopping the run were the DE play, Pat Thomas at MLB, overall crap at LB in general. Not giving Demo Williams any time and instead playing weston dacus. Alphonso boone at LDE.

The DT play was the only bright spot besides the 3 rookie CB's.

Didn't generate much from the pass rush.

my only memory of him is getting routinely blown off the line of scrimmage

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 08:23 PM
ROFL another Herm player gone.... ROFL

WOW! they are truly rebuilding this thing from the ground up.

This offseason should be nothing short of epic!

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 08:23 PM
Prelude to the Cody selection this spring...

You know it's coming.

Saban's a Belichick disciple. Cody's an NT. If you put a 4 in front of a 3, and separated them with a hyphen, Pioli would have a conniption fit.

Direckshun
10-19-2009, 08:23 PM
If this pick works out the way I think it will...

Top 5 1st
2nd that's practically at the bottom of the 1st
late 2nd
early 3rd
early-to-mid-3rd
4th
5th
5th

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:23 PM
my only memory of him is getting routinely blown off the line of scrimmage

Obviously the uncensored version that I haven't seen.

Bwana
10-19-2009, 08:25 PM
I see your Steve Bono and raise you an Elvis Grbac and a Greg Hill.

You bastard, I would have stayed in if not for your raise of "The Real Deal Hill." No way I can top that hand........I fold. :doh!:

booger
10-19-2009, 08:26 PM
my only memory of him is getting routinely blown off the line of scrimmage

I thought he was always scraping down the LOS chasing and hustling. He was coming off a pretty poor rookie year where he was overweight. Maybe i am giving him more credit for his improvement but i thought on a pitiful D his improvment was a bright spot.

Agree to disagree, no biggie.

TrickyNicky
10-19-2009, 08:26 PM
He wasn't born in the lab. That's just what the media wants you to think. The truth is he was found at the center of the Tunguskan Forest in 1908.

Deberg_1990
10-19-2009, 08:26 PM
ROFL another Herm player gone.... ROFL




Yea, damn shame too...we were only a player away....

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:27 PM
I thought he was always scraping down the LOS chasing and hustling. He was coming off a pretty poor rookie year where he was overweight. Maybe i am giving him more credit for his improvement but i thought on a pitiful D his improvment was a bright spot.

Agree to disagree, no biggie.

fair enough

i was being literal, it's my only memory, i could very well be wrong...

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Wow. Suprise move. I dont mind it.

Rain Man
10-19-2009, 08:27 PM
No one took me up on my bet that post-trade Jared Allen would go to more pro bowls than Branden Albert, Jamal Charles, and DaJuan Morgan.

Anyone want to take a bet that post-trade Tank Tyler has a longer career than whomever we draft with this pick?

My rule is that you never trade a productive veteran for a draft pick (assuming it's not a ludicrous deal).

booger
10-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Yea, damn shame too...we were only a player away....

they've dismantled Herms 95% complete roster.:D

TrickyNicky
10-19-2009, 08:28 PM
No one took me up on my bet that post-trade Jared Allen would go to more pro bowls than Branden Albert, Jamal Charles, and DaJuan Morgan.

Anyone want to take a bet that post-trade Tank Tyler has a longer career than whomever we draft with this pick?

My rule is that you never trade a productive veteran for a draft pick (assuming it's not a ludicrous deal).



Just going off years in the league? Or production?

alanm
10-19-2009, 08:29 PM
I see your Steve Bono and raise you an Elvis Grbac and a Greg Hill.To be fair Grbac did go to a pro bowl.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Do people really think we're getting a 3rd for our backup NT who couldn't play the position?

I don't care how desperate Carolina was, they aren't paying more than a 5th for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we gave him away for a sixth.

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 08:29 PM
they've dismantled Herms 95% complete roster.:D

Which is great news, lets bring in some football players...

Coach
10-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Do people really think we're getting a 3rd for our backup NT who couldn't play the position?

I don't care how desperate Carolina was, they aren't paying more than a 5th for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we gave him away for a sixth.

Yeah, somewhere between a 5-6, with a possible up to a 4 if he meets certain benchmarks.

At least we're getting SOMETHING in return for the guys who don't fit in this system, than letting them go with nothing in return.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 08:32 PM
You know it's coming.

Saban's a Belichick disciple. Cody's an NT. If you put a 4 in front of a 3, and separated them with a hyphen, Pioli would have a conniption fit.

We're gonna get a big fat guy instead of an elite talent, it's going to be marvelous.

DaneMcCloud
10-19-2009, 08:32 PM
Which is great news, lets bring in some football players...

Are you implying that McBride & Tyler aren't football players?

Rain Man
10-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Just going off years in the league? Or production?

I think probably years in league since the drafted player could be a quarterback or something and would be hard to compare. I'm not averse to going off production if you can come up with a good way to measure it, though.

booger
10-19-2009, 08:34 PM
fair enough

i was being literal, it's my only memory, i could very well be wrong...

he had around 20 tackles this year already. I think he'll be productive with a wide body next to him.

I hate to see a contributing player go but if he doesn't fit the scheme we will run he would leave when FA allowed him to. Another reason he was attractive for carolina is a cheap contract and no chance at UFA until the new cba gets done.

BTW i was only going by last years games i saw on TV. Here in IA they quit showning them and i probably only saw half including when i tryed the streaming.

Only have seen the Balt game and Philly game on tv this year but have had better luck on streaming.

FU Herm!!! I used to get every damn game locally.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 08:34 PM
Are you implying that McBride & Tyler aren't football players?

hey, hey, McBride has 1.5 sacks yesterday lol.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 08:34 PM
So does this open up a spot for Banta-Cain?

booger
10-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Which is great news, lets bring in some football players...

yup

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:36 PM
So does this open up a spot for Banta-Cain?

Looks that way....

leviw
10-19-2009, 08:36 PM
Didn't read back, but if it hasn't been confirmed:

Chiefs get a 5th, according to Babb.

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Didn't read back, but if it hasn't been confirmed:

Chiefs get a 5th, according to Babb.

At least we broke even on the Tank selection.

Can't really complain.

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:38 PM
he had around 20 tackles this year already. I think he'll be productive with a wide body next to him.

I hate to see a contributing player go but if he doesn't fit the scheme we will run he would leave when FA allowed him to. Another reason he was attractive for carolina is a cheap contract and no chance at UFA until the new cba gets done.

BTW i was only going by last years games i saw on TV. Here in IA they quit showning them and i probably only saw half including when i tryed the streaming.

Only have seen the Balt game and Philly game on tv this year but have had better luck on streaming.

FU Herm!!! I used to get every damn game locally.

it certainly wouldn't surprise to me see a chief go somewhere else and play well

i mean, we screw things up more often than not

Sure-Oz
10-19-2009, 08:38 PM
Didn't read back, but if it hasn't been confirmed:

Chiefs get a 5th, according to Babb.

YEP

Buehler445
10-19-2009, 08:38 PM
Colquitt. Dorsey may pull it out yet as well. Albert??? Hali??
Vermiel

Please tell me we aren't going to use our top 10 pick on Terrence Cody.

You know it's coming.

Saban's a Belichick disciple. Cody's an NT. If you put a 4 in front of a 3, and separated them with a hyphen, Pioli would have a conniption fit.

Haley will have him down to 250 by the start of the '10 season :D

Thing is, he's young enough to be worth quite a bit in a decent 4-3.

I bet we get great value out of this. Far more than anything we would have gotten with him.

3rd if he becomes a regular part of his rotation. 4th if he plays but isn't effective. 5th if he doesn't play.

Great work for us. Tank was literally the worst NT in the NFL.

Is that speculation? I would shit a gold brick if we got that.

what if we just tied gutierrez to Pope's ass....

problem solved

That made me laugh.

I'm really disappointed he didn't work out. I had hoped he would. He had a lot of size and strength. He also showed a lot of hustle. He made a few plays on the sideline and also down the field (he probably should have gotten the stop at the LOS). I understand he couldn't hold the POA well.

It would have really helped A LOT of he was the answer at NT.

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 08:38 PM
I cant believe this place anymore... When we should of been doom and gloom, everyone was praising Herm, now we are actually trying to build a franchise and we have a handful of doom and gloomers on here that cry about everything...

Also over 130+ posts in this thread and not one "Well........Bye........"
http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/612capture_tombstone03.jpg

This place is quickly losing its burst. At a time when things are changing and looking up, everyone is running around "oh noes, Oh Noes".......

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 08:38 PM
Didn't read back, but if it hasn't been confirmed:

Chiefs get a 5th, according to Babb.

A 5th would be great :)

Mecca
10-19-2009, 08:38 PM
So does this open up a spot for Banta-Cain?

That's right, our goal is to be the shitty version of the Patriots.

booger
10-19-2009, 08:39 PM
it certainly wouldn't surprise to me see a chief go somewhere else and play well

i mean, we screw things up more often than not

ROFL

true

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Are you implying that McBride & Tyler aren't football players?

That is exactly what I was implying Dane....

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Didn't read back, but if it hasn't been confirmed:

Chiefs get a 5th, according to Babb.

:hmmm:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=6189212#post6189212)
Do people really think we're getting a 3rd for our backup NT who couldn't play the position?

I don't care how desperate Carolina was, they aren't paying more than a 5th for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we gave him away for a sixth.

TrickyNicky
10-19-2009, 08:40 PM
I think probably years in league since the drafted player could be a quarterback or something and would be hard to compare. I'm not averse to going off production if you can come up with a good way to measure it, though. Let me see who they draft first :D

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:40 PM
That is exactly what I was implying Dane....

They were touched with the Herm, huh?

Mecca
10-19-2009, 08:41 PM
The problem here is this very regime has made a lot of these players worthless because apparently they feel you can only win playing 3-4.

booger
10-19-2009, 08:42 PM
It would be nice to know what the undisclosed picks where for the Phins OLmen and the Thigpen trade. If they cancel out or whatnot. Next years 7th is miami's for O'connell.

milkman
10-19-2009, 08:42 PM
:hmmm:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=6189212#post6189212)
Do people really think we're getting a 3rd for our backup NT who couldn't play the position?

I don't care how desperate Carolina was, they aren't paying more than a 5th for him. I wouldn't be surprised if we gave him away for a sixth.

Damn there goes my dream for a first.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 08:42 PM
That's right, our goal is to be the shitty version of the Patriots.

Well, do you think he would be an upgrade over what we have? I like Tamba, Vrabel is just a leader. But I would like to see Banta-Cain as an inside guy.

LaChapelle
10-19-2009, 08:43 PM
"I was hoping Tank Tyler is French for Glenn Dorsey but, alas, I was wrong."
:LOL:
http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/22746-panthers-trade-for-chiefs-dt-tank-tyler.html

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 08:44 PM
The problem here is this very regime has made a lot of these players worthless because apparently they feel you can only win playing 3-4.

So Who Cares?

Means nothing.... The last regime made alot of players worthless by coaching alone...

So is there a point to this? It called rebuilding Mecca, get over it...

BossChief
10-19-2009, 08:44 PM
He has been as productive as almost any dt or nose guard in the NFL this year, he is a better fit for the 4-3 though.

He is fifth in the NFL in tackles for any DT/NT

Good luck Tank

Jerm
10-19-2009, 08:45 PM
Wonder if the names of Dorsey and or Steve Smith (who clearly wants out) were discussed.

Anywho, pretty obvious Haley didn't think shit of Tyler so this was inevitable IMO.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 08:46 PM
Wow...Carolina fans dont know what they are getting...

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 08:46 PM
"I was hoping Tank Tyler is French for Glenn Dorsey but, alas, I was wrong."
:LOL:
http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/22746-panthers-trade-for-chiefs-dt-tank-tyler.html

ok, that is funny

dirk digler
10-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Damn good luck Tank. I have to admit Pioli isn't afraid to make moves

booger
10-19-2009, 08:47 PM
The problem here is this very regime has made a lot of these players worthless because apparently they feel you can only win playing 3-4.

Hali is doing better than expected. Based on preseason only so has Studebaker. He hasn't got snaps on D that i know of and that is a spot we could use an upgrade at the cost of him or Pierre Walters. But Studebaker was drafted by Philly and played OLB there til we signed him off their PS.

Gilberry has done a remarkable job at the snaps he has played the DE spot. Holding up well for a guy around 270-280. Plus his pass rush has improved too.

Its hard to argue about Dorsey. Sure he could play well in a 43 but with the way they are using him he has put together a good string of games.

Other than Tank and Turk, who have they wasted the talents of?

BossChief
10-19-2009, 08:47 PM
The problem here is this very regime has made a lot of these players worthless because apparently they feel you can only win playing 3-4.

are you hurt that we are breaking up our stellar 4-3 we had going?


What percentage of playoff teams over the last few years run a 3-4?

How about superbowl participants/winners?

I havent looked it up, but it seems most were 3-4 teams.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Wonder if the names of Dorsey and or Steve Smith (who clearly wants out) were discussed.

Anywho, pretty obvious Haley didn't think shit of Tyler so this was inevitable IMO.

I think it was more that Tyler just doesn't fit in this defense. It is smarter to trade him for personel who fit instead of to keep trying to covert players and such.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 08:48 PM
are you hurt that we are breaking up our stellar 4-3 we had going?


What percentage of playoff teams over the last few years run a 3-4?

How about superbowl participants/winners?

I havent looked it up, but it seems most were 3-4 teams.

Why don't you look up what the top defenses this year are running.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:48 PM
are you hurt that we are breaking up our stellar 4-3 we had going?


What percentage of playoff teams over the last few years run a 3-4?

How about superbowl participants/winners?

I havent looked it up, but it seems most were 3-4 teams.

The 3-4 is becoming the fad right now. But personally I have always favored a 3-4 over a 4-3.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:49 PM
Why don't you look up what the top defenses this year are running.

Denver is a 3-4. Pitt, Baltimore.....3-4

BossChief
10-19-2009, 08:49 PM
Why don't you look up what the top defenses this year are running.

too small a sample to go off.

hit me up in a couple months

Jerm
10-19-2009, 08:49 PM
I think it was more that Tyler just doesn't fit in this defense. It is smarter to trade him for personel who fit instead of to keep trying to covert players and such.

Oh yeah no doubt, it ties in with what I said...I meant that once Haley saw that he basically threw him to the scrap heap.

Direckshun
10-19-2009, 08:51 PM
For a 5th? Ugh.

Panthers won this trade, but at least we got something for him.

BossChief
10-19-2009, 08:53 PM
Why don't you look up what the top defenses this year are running.

just for shits and giggles though

6 of the top 11 defenses run a 3-4

Delano
10-19-2009, 08:53 PM
Good luck Tank

This.
Posted via Mobile Device

dirk digler
10-19-2009, 08:54 PM
Prelude to the Cody selection this spring...

Does Suh play NT?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 08:54 PM
Denver is a 3-4. Pitt, Baltimore.....3-4

#1 Denver, 3-4 (won't be #1 after tonight. Rivers is shredding them)
#2 NYG 4-3
#3 Pitt 3-4
#4 Philly 4-3
#5 Washington 4-3
#6 New England 4-3
#7 Indy 4-3
#8 Green Bay 3-4
#9 New Orleans 4-3
#10 Miami 3-4

6 of the 10 D's run a 43 and 5 of the top 7.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/netYardsPerGame/position/defense

The Bad Guy
10-19-2009, 08:54 PM
For a 5th? Ugh.

Panthers won this trade, but at least we got something for him.

I disagree 100%.

Tank was a bag of shit. He was soft for a dlineman.

Getting a 5th for him is decent value. No one in their right minds was giving up a 3rd rounder for this guy.

He didn't fit the plans.

Now get something for DJ.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 08:54 PM
just for shits and giggles though

6 of the top 11 defenses run a 3-4

False.

See above.

Reerun_KC
10-19-2009, 08:55 PM
Now get something for DJ.

This!

DeezNutz
10-19-2009, 08:56 PM
He didn't fit the plans.

Now get something for DJ.

Please.

Just Passin' By
10-19-2009, 08:56 PM
#1 Denver, 3-4 (won't be #1 after tonight. Rivers is shredding them)
#2 NYG 4-3
#3 Pitt 3-4
#4 Philly 4-3
#5 Washington 4-3
#6 New England 4-3
#7 Indy 4-3
#8 Green Bay 3-4
#9 New Orleans 4-3
#10 Miami 3-4

6 of the 10 D's run a 43 and 5 of the top 7.

New England has been running both 3-4 and 4-3. This past weekend, they went 3-4.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 08:56 PM
#1 Denver, 3-4 (won't be #1 after tonight. Rivers is shredding them)
#2 NYG 4-3
#3 Pitt 3-4
#4 Philly 4-3
#5 Washington 4-3
#6 New England 4-3
#7 Indy 4-3
#8 Green Bay 3-4
#9 New Orleans 4-3
#10 Miami 3-4

6 of the 10 D's run a 43 and 5 of the top 7.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/netYardsPerGame/position/defense


And 2 of the top 3 are 3-4.

BigMeatballDave
10-19-2009, 08:56 PM
The problem here is this very regime has made a lot of these players worthless because apparently they feel you can only win playing 3-4.Wash the sand out of your vagina...

No one thought Denver was gonna be any good switching to the 3-4. They've done quite nicely with it.

penchief
10-19-2009, 08:56 PM
Colquitt. Dorsey may pull it out yet as well. Albert??? Hali??

Colquitt was a Vermeil Pick.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 08:57 PM
False.

See above.

Now here comes a huge argument about what defense the Patriots play.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 08:58 PM
Wash the sand out of your vagina...

No one thought Denver was gonna be any good switching to the 3-4. They've done quite nicely with it.

They didn't have a top 5 pick sitting on their roster who isn't fit to play in a 3-4 now did they...

Bill Lundberg
10-19-2009, 08:58 PM
So does this open up a spot for Banta-Cain?

Probably Kolby Smith

Chocolate Hog
10-19-2009, 08:58 PM
lol a 5th round pick is a steal. Pioli gets value for scrubs.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 08:58 PM
New England has been running both 3-4 and 4-3. This past weekend, they went 3-4.

Then 5/9 run a 4-3, with the one anomaly in the top 10 transitioning to a 4-3.

Rausch
10-19-2009, 09:00 PM
I disagree 100%.

Tank was a bag of shit. He was soft for a dlineman.

Getting a 5th for him is decent value. No one in their right minds was giving up a 3rd rounder for this guy.

He didn't fit the plans.

Now get something for DJ.

What the fuck did the guy EVER do?

What?

milkman
10-19-2009, 09:00 PM
Does Suh play NT?

He'd be a 5 tech in a 34.

Direckshun
10-19-2009, 09:00 PM
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BigMeatballDave
10-19-2009, 09:00 PM
They didn't have a top 5 pick sitting on their roster who isn't fit to play in a 3-4 now did they...So you don't think Dorsey is plying well this season? He isn't improving every week?

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:00 PM
The bottom line to my remark is the Chiefs are chasing the 3-4 trend, you don't win by chasing trends.

The Bad Guy
10-19-2009, 09:01 PM
With the 3 5th rounders, that's how you rebuild your interior line.

Chocolate Hog
10-19-2009, 09:01 PM
Mecca will never be happy

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:01 PM
So you don't think Dorsey is plying well this season? He isn't improving every week?

That is a complete twist of what I said, even if he plays well in a 3-4, he'd be better in a 4-3.

Direckshun
10-19-2009, 09:01 PM
1 S
2 NT
2 C
3 OT
4 OLB
5 OG
5 WR
5 DE

dirk digler
10-19-2009, 09:02 PM
He'd be a 5 tech in a 34.

Similar to Tyson Jackson then? Thanks for the answer btw.

carlos3652
10-19-2009, 09:02 PM
Why don't you look up what the top defenses this year are running.

#1 Scoring D last year ran a 3/4
#1 Scoring D this year runs a 3/4

petegz28
10-19-2009, 09:02 PM
The bottom line to my remark is the Chiefs are chasing the 3-4 trend, you don't win by chasing trends.

I don't know about that. NE played a 3-4. Haley came form a team that played a version of of the 3-4.

Sure-Oz
10-19-2009, 09:02 PM
With the 3 5th rounders, that's how you rebuild your interior line.

More picks the better

BossChief
10-19-2009, 09:02 PM
False.

See above.


NE is still a 3-4 team.

Just because they are experimenting with a 4-3, doesn't make them one. Last game they were almost exclusively running 3-4.

#11 defense is the Jets

6 of the top 11 is what I said and it is accurate, not fabricated.

the Talking Can
10-19-2009, 09:03 PM
What the **** did the guy EVER do?

What?

he was part of one the worst run defenses in history, and helped set a record for fewest sacks...


wait, that's not what you meant, is it?

stevieray
10-19-2009, 09:03 PM
...another guy that couldn't make an NFL roster?

wow.

BigMeatballDave
10-19-2009, 09:04 PM
The bottom line to my remark is the Chiefs are chasing the 3-4 trend, you don't win by chasing trends.Possibly. But the Chiefs played a 3-4 during the early 90's. It was a damn good D.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 09:04 PM
With the 3 5th rounders, that's how you rebuild your interior line.

Plus you have some pics to trade if you want to trade up.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:04 PM
I don't know about that. NE played a 3-4. Haley came form a team that played a version of of the 3-4.

Being the 15th team that puts in the 3-4 is like being the 15th team that put in the west coast offense back in the day, you're chasing a trend and now you want the same players half the league does.

Being on the back end of a trend is not a good thing because you already need a hell of a lot more than the teams at the front of it.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 09:05 PM
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I like this. Stock up on picks that could actually make a difference. Tom Brady's in the 6th round dont happen very often.

Rausch
10-19-2009, 09:05 PM
The bottom line to my remark is the Chiefs are chasing the 3-4 trend, you don't win by chasing trends.

The Chiefs have no identity.

They are not the Steelers. They aren't the 80s-90s 49ers. They aren't the Ravens. They aren't the pass-happy Rams or Falcons.

When you think of KC you think of..............Nothing.

This owner has yet to establish an identity.

You establish who you are and then how you'll win. Clear and cut.

You don't establish that you want to win and how you'll do it later...

BigChiefFan
10-19-2009, 09:05 PM
We'll take it. He doesn't fit as a NT.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Possibly. But the Chiefs played a 3-4 during the early 90's. It was a damn good D.

Playing 3-4 then actually made some sense...5 teams ran it, now half the league does.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Let's go back to the beginning of the decade:

Super Bowl XXXIV: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXV: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVI: NE ran a 3-4, STL ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVII: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVIII: NE ran a 3-4, Car ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXIX: NE ran a 3-4, Philly ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XL: Pitt ran a 3-4, Seattle ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLI: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLII: NE ran a 3-4, NYG ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLIII: Pitt ran a 3-4, Az ran a 4-3 under

So, of the last 20 teams to play in a SB, 6 ran a 3-4. 14 ran a 4-3

The last 10 SBs have been represented by 15 teams. 13 have run the 4-3, 2 have run the 3-4.

So, yeah, pete, great sample size.

RINGLEADER
10-19-2009, 09:05 PM
1 S
2 NT
2 C
3 OT
4 OLB
5 OG
5 WR
5 DE

I think we get a top-tier LT in free agency, move Brandon Albert over to guard, and draft a RT. Wouldn't mind a C in free agency either. So I like this draft depending on where we're picking and who's available.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 09:05 PM
Plus you have some pics to trade if you want to trade up.

Ill trade this pic of my oldsmobile for a 1st rounder.

dirk digler
10-19-2009, 09:07 PM
Being the 15th team that puts in the 3-4 is like being the 15th team that put in the west coast offense back in the day, you're chasing a trend and now you want the same players half the league does.

Being on the back end of a trend is not a good thing because you already need a hell of a lot more than the teams at the front of it.

What is the difference between being the 15th team to run a 3-4 and the 15th team to run a 4-3?

Rausch
10-19-2009, 09:07 PM
Playing 3-4 then actually made some sense...5 teams ran it, now half the league does.

And 3/4's of those teams do it poorly...

Simply Red
10-19-2009, 09:07 PM
waste O space, bye.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 09:08 PM
NE is still a 3-4 team.

Just because they are experimenting with a 4-3, doesn't make them one. Last game they were almost exclusively running 3-4.

#11 defense is the Jets

6 of the top 11 is what I said and it is accurate, not fabricated.

So now we've narrowed our sample to one game. Ok, well then, in 2002 against the Bills the Patriots ran a 1-5-5 Prowl against Bledsoe. Therefore, half of all teams in NFL history have run the Prowl since half were doing it on that field on that day.

Chocolate Hog
10-19-2009, 09:08 PM
The Chiefs will never win a super bowl Scott Pioli sucks. Lets move on

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 09:09 PM
What is the difference between being the 15th team to run a 3-4 and the 15th team to run a 4-3?

There are only so many human beings built to run a 3-4. It's a very difficult defense to find talent for, unless you want to see a bunch of Derek Lokeys get blown 10 yards off the ball.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 09:09 PM
The Chiefs basically ran a 3-4 in the 90's when we had a good defense.

Just Passin' By
10-19-2009, 09:09 PM
Let's go back to the beginning of the decade:

Super Bowl XXXIV: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXV: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVI: NE ran a 3-4, STL ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVII: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVIII: NE ran a 3-4, Car ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXIX: NE ran a 3-4, Philly ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XL: Pitt ran a 3-4, Seattle ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLI: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLII: NE ran a 3-4, NYG ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLIII: Pitt ran a 3-4, Az ran a 4-3 under

So, of the last 20 teams to play in a SB, 6 ran a 3-4. 14 ran a 4-3

The last 10 SBs have been represented by 15 teams. 13 have run the 4-3, 2 have run the 3-4.

So, yeah, pete, great sample size.

The vast majority of the league was running the 4-3. This argument is useless as a result.

For the record, I meant the entire argument on both sides, not just your post.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:09 PM
And 3/4's of those teams do it poorly...

There are going to be several very poor 3-4 teams now just because they can't get the players in that they need.

carlos3652
10-19-2009, 09:10 PM
#1 Denver, 3-4 (won't be #1 after tonight. Rivers is shredding them)


Wrong, going by scoring D SD would have to put up 43 points for them to lose #1... even if they match their 1st half output, they still remain 1st...

if you are going off yards... they would need to give up 80 more yards in the second half... to be at #2...

wow... so 2 of the top 3 defenses this year run a 3/4 regardless...

Rausch
10-19-2009, 09:10 PM
After all this I'm still ecstatic we got ANYTHING for Tank...

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-19-2009, 09:11 PM
Wrong, going by scoring D SD would have to put up 43 points for them to lose #1... even if they match their 1st half output, they still remain 1st...

if you are going off yards... they would need to give up 80 more yards in the second half... to be at #2...

wow... so 2 of the top 3 defenses this year run a 3/4 regardless...

Defenses are always ranked by yardage. That's why when they refer to scoring they say scoring defense rather than total defense.

Don't be a dumbass.

BossChief
10-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Being the 15th team that puts in the 3-4 is like being the 15th team that put in the west coast offense back in the day, you're chasing a trend and now you want the same players half the league does.

Being on the back end of a trend is not a good thing because you already need a hell of a lot more than the teams at the front of it.

valid point.

I think that, generally speaking, a 2-14 team needs to change its:

GM
HC
QB
OC
DC
RDE/ROLB
Defensive philosophy
Offensive philosophy


Seems out of that, only Hali has lasted and he might move to the left side if we draft a better pass rusher.


2-14 means you need a complete overhaul and I believe Piolis 10+ years of helping build and constantly improve a 3-4 defense means you go with the strength and see what fits and scrap everything else.

Its not like we had the players to run an effective system, might as well go with what Pioli is most experienced at.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:12 PM
There are only so many human beings built to run a 3-4. It's a very difficult defense to find talent for, unless you want to see a bunch of Derek Lokeys get blown 10 yards off the ball.

Basically it's like this, the 3-4 requires tons of specialized personnel. When you are competing with 5 other teams for that it's not a big deal...

When you are competing with 15 all of the sudden the players that use to be great value are pushed up and we end up with things like Tyson Jackson as the 3rd pick.

Chocolate Hog
10-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Hamas what do you think of the trade?

EyePod
10-19-2009, 09:12 PM
I thought he improved. I like him too, disappointed to see him go, but not pissed about the 5th. Wasn't he a steal when we got him though? His negative character never came into play, so he should have been a great pick. I love Herm's "coaching" (or destroying good prospects, we lucked out on Flowers and Carr...)

philfree
10-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Playing 3-4 then actually made some sense...5 teams ran it, now half the league does.

This draft is gonna be full of OLB/DE tweeners though so maybe it is a good time to switch..


PhilFree:arrow:

alanm
10-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Does Suh play NT?Yes.

Direckshun
10-19-2009, 09:13 PM
1 S Eric Berry, Tennessee
2 NT Boo Robinson, Wake Forest
2 C Kristofer O'Dowd, USC
3 OT Sam Young, Notre Dame
4 OLB Antonio Coleman, Auburn
5 OG Thomas Austin, Clemson
5 WR/KR Trindon Holliday, LSU
5 NT Torrell Troup, Central Florida

Param
10-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Hope there are more trades to come.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Suh is not a NT in a 3-4 so you can stop that debate right now.

Sure-Oz
10-19-2009, 09:14 PM
When is the deadline, tomorrow?

BossChief
10-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Possibly. But the Chiefs played a 3-4 during the early 90's. It was a damn good D.

yup, Gunther made it a 4-3 when he got here.

iirc DT had 20 sacks the year before as a ROLB in a 3-4

When Cowher left, so did the 3-4

Chocolate Hog
10-19-2009, 09:15 PM
And Pioli won't draft a Safety with a top 5 pick either so we can stop that debate too

BigChiefFan
10-19-2009, 09:15 PM
This draft is gonna be full of OLB/DE tweeners though so maybe it is a good time to switch..


PhilFree:arrow:No Doubt...and it still gives us an advantage because those players typically don't fit the 4-3, thus causing their stock to drop to 3-4 specific teams.

carlos3652
10-19-2009, 09:16 PM
Defenses are always ranked by yardage. That's why when they refer to scoring they say scoring defense rather than total defense.

Don't be a dumbass.

Im not being a dumbass... in yards the still would be number 2 after Rivers has his way... you told me to look at the top defenses this year and i did... 2 of the top 3 runs 3/4's... i was just answering your question with facts...

i understand your logic that 3-4 is a trend... but Pioli knows the 3-4... let him build it his way...

Like another post said, whats the difference when we didnt have the personnel to run either effectively...

RustShack
10-19-2009, 09:17 PM
And Pioli won't draft a Safety with a top 5 pick either so we can stop that debate too

I don't believe that one bit.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Another trend that nearly everybody does these days is...Runningback by Committee.

KC did it back in the day with Marty. Now nearly everyone does it that has a good running game.

petegz28
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
yup, Gunther made it a 4-3 when he got here.

iirc DT had 20 sacks the year before as a ROLB in a 3-4

When Cowher left, so did the 3-4

Actually Gunther 1st time around had us a 3-4. Adolph took us to a 4-3 and so did Robinson.

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
When is the deadline, tomorrow?

This... I wanna know also.

BossChief
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Let's go back to the beginning of the decade:

Super Bowl XXXIV: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXV: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVI: NE ran a 3-4, STL ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVII: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXVIII: NE ran a 3-4, Car ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XXXIX: NE ran a 3-4, Philly ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XL: Pitt ran a 3-4, Seattle ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLI: Both teams ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLII: NE ran a 3-4, NYG ran a 4-3
Super Bowl XLIII: Pitt ran a 3-4, Az ran a 4-3 under

So, of the last 20 teams to play in a SB, 6 ran a 3-4. 14 ran a 4-3

The last 10 SBs have been represented by 15 teams. 13 have run the 4-3, 2 have run the 3-4.

So, yeah, pete, great sample size.

So, yeah, pete, 5 out of the last ten superbowl winners ran a 3-4 then?


thanks

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
1 S Eric Berry, Tennessee
2 NT Boo Robinson, Wake Forest
2 C Kristofer O'Dowd, USC
3 OT Sam Young, Notre Dame
4 OLB Antonio Coleman, Auburn
5 OG Thomas Austin, Clemson
5 WR/KR Trindon Holliday, LSU
5 NT Torrell Troup, Central Florida

Just change it, our first pick is Terrence Cody I've accepted it already, and O'Dowd won't fall to that 2nd 2nd rounder.

Chocolate Hog
10-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Just change it, our first pick is Terrence Cody I've accepted it already, and O'Dowd won't fall to that 2nd 2nd rounder.

Thank you

KCrockaholic
10-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Actually Gunther 1st time around had us a 3-4. Adolph took us to a 4-3 and so did Robinson.

Robinson sucked so bad...I dont miss that D one bit.

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:20 PM
And Pioli won't draft a Safety with a top 5 pick either so we can stop that debate too

Because getting an elite player sucks, big fat guys FTW.

alanm
10-19-2009, 09:20 PM
Suh is not a NT in a 3-4 so you can stop that debate right now.Doesn't matter anyway. Suh isn't going to the Chiefs.

Direckshun
10-19-2009, 09:20 PM
QB: Cassell, Croyle, Gutierrez
RB: Johnson, Charles, Williams
FB: Cox

WR: Bowe, Bradley, Wade, Lawrence, Holliday
TE: Ryan, Pope, O'Connell

LT: Albert, Ndukwe
RG: Waters, Smith
C: O'Dowd, Smith
RG: Brown, Austin
RT: Young, O'Callaghan

DE: Dorsey, Magee
NT: Robinson, Troup
DE: Jackson, Gilberry

OLB: Hali, Coleman
ILB: Johnson, Mays
ILB: Williams, Belcher
OLB: Vrabel, Studebaker

CB: Flowers, Carr, Washington, Leggett
S: Berry, Brown, Page, McGraw

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford
KR: Holliday
PR: Wade

Mecca
10-19-2009, 09:20 PM
Thank you

I think it's a retarded thing to do and I don't like it but I'm resided that it's probably what will happen.