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TFG

10-22-2009, 07:07 AM

So, Dick Cheney is once again opening his treasonous pie hole. What's he saying?

1. Obama's Afghanistan strategy is "the same" as W's??

Reality = W's Afghan strategy was to send barely enough to take and hold Kabul and Khandahar, only 7k US and 12k total coalition, so that when we spotted Osama in Tora Bora, we validated that he was "not a priority" because our way too small deployment couldn't encircle and get him. Then W and Cheney decided to FLIP OFF the allies of the Northern Alliance, terminating the Alliance and giving aid and comfort to our real enemies in the process. Time and again the Pentagon asked for more troops in Afghan, and W and Cheney refused. Obama takes office and immediately ups the troop count by 17k in Afghan. How anyone takes Cheney seriously when HE is the one accusing Obama of "dithering" and "not wanting to win" is beyond words. It is, rather, a desperate attempt by a traitor to lie his way out of what he did

2. Obama "libels" CIA interrogators

Reality = first of all, the FBI and CIA have real interrogators who interrogate within the boundaries of our laws and treaties. None of them were behind the "enhanced interrogations." The "enhanced" were the product of Cheney and Tenet's desire to lie to the US to dump the US military in Iraq, which was genuine DITHERING while our WAY TOO SMALL deployment in Afghan sat there guarding two cities and little else, much less going after OUR TERROR. If the "enhanced interrogations" really worked as Cheney says, why was it so very important to ERASE THE TAPES OF THEM? This is truly Nixonian. Cheney and Tenet got around the laws that bind real CIA interrogators by hiring CONTRACTORS to do the "enhanced." Cheney claims the "enhanced" got "actionable intel," an assertion disputed by the FBI. If we did get real "actionable intel," why did Cheney's pals at CIA ERASE THE TAPES? Because the tapes did not show that. The CIA IG, the FBI, and the DOD told Cheney that "enhanced" doesn't work except to get FALSE CONFESSIONS, which was PRECISELY what Cheney and Tenet were after. Soon after getting a BS FALSE CONFESSION (which made absolutely no sense), Cheney rushed on Meet the Press and lied "we know Iraq was training AQ in chem weapons." The real truth is that Saddam's chem program had done precisely nothing since the Gulf War, as all we found were the same chem ARTILLERY SHELLS that dated back to the Gulf War. AQ doesn't use ARTILLERY. They do not have the bio suits, they have no air superiority, and hence no use for such weapons at all.

Dick Cheney is a desperate liar and a traitor. His BS about Afghan and the CIA "enhanced" interrogations is completely blown away by Cheney's own actions in each case, sending way too small a force to Afghan because our terror was "not a priority," flipping off our allies in Afghan making our deployment LESS SAFE, and then DESTROYING the CIA "enhanced" tapes because THEY SHOW NOTHING BUT QUESTIONS ABOUT LINKING SADDAM AND AQ... the only "priority" Traitor Cheney cared about...

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 07:23 AM

SHTSPRAYER

10-22-2009, 07:34 AM

HALLIBURTON!

TFG

10-22-2009, 08:00 AM

So, then, you don't care for Cheney?

Actually it was a very good speech and he did a nice job of staying very focused. If interested, here is the text of the speech.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/cheneys_speech_tonight_1.asp#more

Thanks. Great quotes...

"I’m told that among those you’ve recognized before me was my friend Don Rumsfeld."

"But truth be told, any award once conferred on Donald Rumsfeld carries extra luster, and I am very proud to see my name added to such a distinguished list."

LOL... Rumsfeld wasprecisely who John McCain correctly identified as "one of the worst US Secretary of Defense in history."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252822,00.html

Indeed, Rumsfeld didn't just send way too few to Afghan, he sent way too few to Iraq. Barry McCaffery said we needed 400k to take and hold Iraq effectively. We never got to 200k. The SURGE was needed because the Rumsfeld deployment was inadequate to stop Sunni-Shia violence. The SURGE simply took the side of the Shias and offed the Sunni resistance.

"Anybody who has spent much time in that part of the world knows what Vladimir Putin is up to. And those who try placating him, by conceding ground and accommodating his wishes, will get nothing in return but more trouble."

Unreal BS, since W and Cheney let Vlad the Invader invade and occupy Georgia. W's response: send Condi to say that's not nice...

"and all the while Iran has continued to provide lethal support to extremists and terrorists who are killing American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan."

What an unreal sick treasonous statement. Iran, of course, was arming and funding The Northern Alliance in Afghan on 911, and was very cooperative under Prez Rafsanjani until W put Iran on the BS "Axis of Evil," making our deployment in Afghan less safe. Iran is the enemy of Al Qaeda, but Cheney doesn't want you to know that. Cheney knows his only chance to avoid a rope around his neck is to SUKK SUKK SUKK up to the Zionist media figures and shout down those telling the truth. Iran armed the Shias in Iraq only after the US military deployment (too small again thanks to Rummy) was unable to stop Sunnis from blowing up Shia mosques. Indeed, Iran armed those in Iraq who, now, are in control of the "democratic" government of Iraq. If those are "terrorists," and the US invasion of Iraq put "terrorists" in charge of Iraq, then perhaps Iraq was not quite the "success" FIXED says it was.

"Instead, the President has been largely silent about the violent crackdown on Iran's protestors, and has moved blindly forward to engage Iran's authoritarian regime."

... a "regime" that exists today solely because of "Axis of Evil" and Iraq, as Ahmadinejad only won in a runoff in 2005 because of those two things. Cheney and Rummy put Ahmad in power. Now, they criticize the President who is trying to deal with that mess of their creation. What total fukkers. Just how hypocritical, dishonest, and treasonous can one human be?

"Former President Bush's bold decision to change strategy in Iraq and surge U.S. forces there set the stage for success in that country. Iraq has the potential to be a strong, democratic ally in the war on terrorism"

Just after calling the Shias "terrorists," now they are a "democratic ally in the war on terrorism."

Yeah, sure they are....

anyone need to see the Al-Maliki Ahmadinejad handshake again. If Iran is "terrorists," what is our new "ally" in the WO(eAI)T doing shanking hands with their president and promising not to allow any attacks on Iran from Iraqi soil?

HOW BLIND IS THIS AUDIENCE???

Oh, forgot, its the treasonous Zionist rag Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol's written treason as the spoken is on FIXED.

"We should all be concerned as well with the direction of policy on Afghanistan. For quite a while, the cause of our military in that country went pretty much unquestioned"

Just unreal. You made him "not a priority." You send less than one half of the increase Obama sent his first week in office. You flipped off our allies there to appease your masters...

WHEW...

If there ever was a need to hurry up a Grand Jury and start getting some truth out, it is now...

TFG

10-22-2009, 08:07 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.iran/index.html

"TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on Sunday tried to allay Iranian fears over a planned U.S.-Iraq security pact, saying his government would not allow Iraq to become a launching pad for an attack on its neighbor."

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.iran/art.tehran.afp.gi.jpg

BucEyedPea

10-22-2009, 08:12 AM

Yes, Cheney is anti-American and a traitor. I have to agree with that evaluation.

Velvet_Jones

10-22-2009, 08:18 AM

Yes, Cheney is anti-American and a traitor. I have to agree with that evaluation.

I'm sure you do.

TFG

10-22-2009, 08:29 AM

I'm sure you do.

What do you like about what Cheney and W did?

1. making OBL "not a priority"
2. taking a surplus and porking it into a trillion dollar deficit
3. lying to dump our troops in the wrong country
4. all of the above, because your FIXED birdbrain says they were "conservative"

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 08:32 AM

I like Cheney. Hes got a ready wit and doesn't pull punches. Hes a great American. I like Wyoming as well. Great place to antelope hunt.

TFG

10-22-2009, 08:35 AM

I like Cheney. Hes got a ready wit and doesn't pull punches. Hes a great American. I like Wyoming as well. Great place to antelope hunt.

So, if it turns out that the "enhanced interrogations" you love so much really had nothing to do with stopping any future attacks, but instead were just all about lying to "link" Saddam and Osama, would you still like Cheney?

In the other thread, you are whining about the deficit. Who said the following bullshit... "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

???????????????????????????????????????????

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 08:39 AM

Oh heck Im all for enhanced interrogations. I admit it. But then, I'm a simple guy really. Reagan? Damn I really liked him too.

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 08:47 AM

Rove tapdances on Rahm's ass on this one....Cheney and Rove backing the little lying POS into a corner.....seems it happens more and more with the WhiteHouse staff...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704597704574487241866434378.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

Frankie

10-22-2009, 09:12 AM

Yes, Cheney is anti-American and a traitor. I have to agree with that evaluation.

I am totally in agreement there too. The spook needs to be prosecuted.

Velvet_Jones

10-22-2009, 09:18 AM

What do you like about what Cheney and W did?

1. making OBL "not a priority"
2. taking a surplus and porking it into a trillion dollar deficit
3. lying to dump our troops in the wrong country
4. all of the above, because your FIXED birdbrain says they were "conservative"

See - I don't accept your premise.
1 - No - they just neutered his organization thats all. This is a lefty argument and is just silly.
2 - I did not agree with the all of the spending but this surplus that you speak of was just a projection before the dot com collapse and 9/11 happened. This is a lefty argument and is just silly.
3 - I think the troops were put in the right country. Time will tell if I'm right. How come we don't hear any news about Iraq anymore? The lying part is just silly and not true and it makes you look simple minded.
4 - Is this the best you can do? #1 and #3 have nothing to do with being conservative. #3 is the only one that could possibly have something to do with conservatism and I fundamentally disagree with your premise.

So, in conclusion - you are either just plan stupid or not honest.

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 09:19 AM

Velvet, you shall be led to the gallows soon.

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:05 AM

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:12 AM

"No - they just neutered his organization thats all."

What planet are you from? Al Qaeda, OBL, they are still alive causing trouble, mainly in Pakistan, after being "not a priority" in Afghanistan. The invasion of Iraq was the single greatest thing that ever happened to Al Qaeda. Millions of previously "oppressed" Iraqi Sunnis were suddenly free to be recruited, and many were.

"I did not agree with the all of the spending but this surplus that you speak of was just a projection before the dot com collapse and 9/11 happened."

Spending under W went from 1.9 tril per year to 3.4 tril, or the entire annual deficit we have today. Blaming that on dot.com and 911 is typical of someone who has not the ability to count to four.

"I think the troops were put in the right country. Time will tell if I'm right. How come we don't hear any news about Iraq anymore? The lying part is just silly and not true and it makes you look simple minded."

Really. Thinking the FORGED DOCUMENT had someone who FORGED it is "silly." Noticing that the 911 Commission documented what was obvious in 2001, that Saddam and Osama had "no working relationship" is "silly." Noticing that Al Qaeda had no use for chem artillery shells is "silly." Getting 4000 troops killed and 30000 maimed for nothing in our national interest is what you supported and cannot defend. You "think you are right" but you didn't even know that the Prez of Iraq shook hands with Ahmadinejad and promised to DEFEND IRAN if Iran is attacked until I POSTED IT HERE.

Indeed, it is you who has absolutely no clue what "conservative" is. You think what W did was "conservative." All you are is another brainless FIXED PARROT taught to toss cards and call anyone who disagrees with Bible Thumping Socialism a "liberal." Hint = I am not leftist. Rather, you are a moron who supports treason and is too dumb to have a clue, too lazy to get a clue, and too hateful to care...

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:17 AM

Oh heck Im all for enhanced interrogations. I admit it. But then, I'm a simple guy really. Reagan? Damn I really liked him too.

Good. Then perhaps you should learn what FIXED won't tell you about Ronald Wilson Reagan...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/reagan-on-torture-prosecutions.html

""The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.""

REAGAN SIGNED THE ABOVE

Want more???

http://www.texasnationalpress.com/texlog/article.php?story=20090428090613961

"George W. Bush's Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn't even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan's Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions."

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 10:32 AM

I have no idea what Fixed is but I think its probably something I want to avoid.

BucEyedPea

10-22-2009, 10:37 AM

I like Cheney. Hes got a ready wit and doesn't pull punches. Hes a great American. I like Wyoming as well. Great place to antelope hunt.

He's a lying sack of shit!

Iowanian

10-22-2009, 10:39 AM

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 10:40 AM

He's a lying sack of shit!

Does that mean I can't like him?

For goodness sakes, he is not a , what you said. Calm thyself. Read what he said in yesterdays speech. He was spot on and said some things needed to be said.

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:44 AM

Does that mean I can't like him?

For goodness sakes, he is not a , what you said. Calm thyself. Read what he said in yesterdays speech. He was spot on and said some things needed to be said.

No, he just lied and displayed his awesome hypocrisy given what he and W did in Afghanistan.

Iowanian

10-22-2009, 10:47 AM

No, he just lied and displayed his awesome hypocrisy given what he and W did in Afghanistan.

You forgot to say "SILENCE! Infadel!!!"

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:47 AM

I have no idea what Fixed is but I think its probably something I want to avoid.

Yes, it is. It takes good Americans and turns them into servants of Israel and socialism.

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 10:49 AM

Oh. See. I knew it.

But I still like old Cheney. Sort of a calm grandfatherly sort who speaks well and seems to have a grasp of issues.

vailpass

10-22-2009, 10:52 AM

You forgot to say "SILENCE! Infadel!!!"

LMAO This dude is similar to KC Native in that both would certainly improve this board by their dissapearing.

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:52 AM

Oh. See. I knew it.

But I still like old Cheney. Sort of a calm grandfatherly sort who speaks well and seems to have a grasp of issues.

Yes, indeed, like praising the new "democratic" Iraq as an "ally" in the "war on (exclusively anti-Israel) terror" even as the Prez of Iraq goes to Iran and shakes hands with Ahmadinejad, who Cheney identifies as a terrorist...

:shake:

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:53 AM

LMAO This dude is similar to KC Native in that both would certainly improve this board by their dissapearing.

Yes, this board was so much "better" when treasonous idiots like you could just parrot FIXED, call Bible Thumping Socialism "conservative," and brush off any criticism as "liberal..."

Iowanian

10-22-2009, 10:54 AM

I keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel you Vailpass!!!!

vailpass

10-22-2009, 10:55 AM

Yes, this board was so much "better" when treasonous idiots like you could just parrot FIXED, call Bible Thumping Socialism "conservative," and brush off any criticism as "liberal..."

Has redrum finished with your mom yet?

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:56 AM

You forgot to say "SILENCE! Infadel!!!"

You seem to think what Cheney did was "bad" for "Islamic Terrorism." Nothing could be further from the truth. Cheney, Tenet, and W were the greatest thing to ever happen to "radical Islam." They got "radical Islam" elected in Iran, Lebanon, and Palestine. They greatly increased recruiting and sympathy. They took out a major enemy of "radical Islam," that being SADDAM, who was NOT ISLAMIC and was Iran's biggest enemy. They fractured The Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, which was at war with The Taliban/AQ on 911 by flipping off Iran under Rafsanjani.

"If I only had a brain..." one of the more intellectual fellows from IOWA...

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 10:57 AM

Yes, indeed, like praising the new "democratic" Iraq as an "ally" in the "war on (exclusively anti-Israel) terror" even as the Prez of Iraq goes to Iran and shakes hands with Ahmadinejad, who Cheney identifies as a terrorist...

:shake:

What should he have done? Said as our ally you cannot shake hands with people without outr approval?

Ive shaken hands with Kansans but that doesnt mean I have forgiven them the transgressions of the border war and the evil activity of the redlegs, burning our towns and destroying the burnt district.

Velvet_Jones

10-22-2009, 10:57 AM

What planet are you from? Al Qaeda, OBL, they are still alive causing trouble, mainly in Pakistan, after being "not a priority" in Afghanistan. The invasion of Iraq was the single greatest thing that ever happened to Al Qaeda. Millions of previously "oppressed" Iraqi Sunnis were suddenly free to be recruited, and many were.

Like I said. We will see in time whether is was a good move or not.

Spending under W went from 1.9 tril per year to 3.4 tril, or the entire annual deficit we have today. Blaming that on dot.com and 911 is typical of someone who has not the ability to count to four.

Hehehe - You are misrepresenting what I am saying. I said the budget surplus you speak of was an estimate before the dot com bubble burst and 9/11. Can you read? I said I didn't agree with all of the spending but saying that there was a surplus when there wasn't is lying.

Really. Thinking the FORGED DOCUMENT had someone who FORGED it is "silly." Noticing that the 911 Commission documented what was obvious in 2001, that Saddam and Osama had "no working relationship" is "silly." Noticing that Al Qaeda had no use for chem artillery shells is "silly." Getting 4000 troops killed and 30000 maimed for nothing in our national interest is what you supported and cannot defend.

Man - you don't even make sense. You are silly.

You "think you are right" but you didn't even know that the Prez of Iraq shook hands with Ahmadinejad and promised to DEFEND IRAN if Iran is attacked until I POSTED IT HERE.

And you would be wrong in thinking that I had no knowledge of that - either that or you think you have some hot line of information that know one else has. You are pretty much full of yourself.

Indeed, it is you who has absolutely no clue what "conservative" is. You think what W did was "conservative." All you are is another brainless FIXED PARROT taught to toss cards and call anyone who disagrees with Bible Thumping Socialism a "liberal." Hint = I am not leftist. Rather, you are a moron who supports treason and is too dumb to have a clue, too lazy to get a clue, and too hateful to care...
I did not say that what W did was conservative, I said you don't KNOW what conservatism is. Read my response again and STFU.

In summary, you are a silly little loudmouth who is spouting talking points as fact. Did I mention that you were silly?

TFG

10-22-2009, 10:57 AM

Has redrum finished with your mom yet?

That's no way to speak to someone telling you the truth.

Velvet_Jones

10-22-2009, 10:58 AM

TFG is getting sillier with every keystroke.

TFG

10-22-2009, 11:02 AM

"What should he have done?"

Why, the US NATIONAL INTEREST of course, which was to find and kill those responsible for 911, the Sunni terror organization Al Qaeda, based in Afghanistan at the time. Had we allied with Northern Alliance and sent 100k to Afghan initially and stayed out of Iraq, we likely quickly kill off Taliban and AQ with help from THEIR ENEMIES AT WAR WITH THEM ON 911 - The Northern Alliance, armed and funded by IRAN.

Had we done that and just that...

1. Ahmadinejad never wins in 2005, and Rafsanjani is likely still the Iranian President, and hence Iran would not be a problem, as it was not on 911.
2. We kill just those who hit us, and the rest of the Islamic world sees that as justice, not a war on Islam. We ally with Islamic types to kill Islamic terrorists with real Islamic enemies. Our troops are home by 2003
3. we stay out of Iraq, which was a complete waste of life and money, and caused all sorts of other side problems
4. Keep the Gingrich Revolution alive by keeping Federal Spending FLAT (not increasing). Had W kept FEDERAL SPENDING FLAT, we would have had a BUDGET SURPLUS this year, not 1.4 trillion deficit (the precise amount W increased spending while in office)

TFG

10-22-2009, 11:06 AM

TFG

10-22-2009, 11:07 AM

Velvet seems to think the forged document Tenet used to claim Iraq was buying uranium from Niger was "silly." And nobody forged it. It must have forged itself...

Iowanian

10-22-2009, 11:08 AM

TFG washes his head with Summer's Eve feminine wash.

HonestChieffan

10-22-2009, 11:20 AM

Not forged documents again....

Velvet_Jones

10-22-2009, 11:26 AM

"I said the budget surplus you speak of was an estimate before the dot com bubble burst and 9/11."

BULLSHIT. It was REALITY.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Every time the debt goes DOWN, that is a SURPLUS. Notice it went DOWN under Clinton/Gingrich, and then just EXPLODED with W's non-stop Bible Thumping Socialist PORKFEST.
So you are calling a graph comparing national debt to GDP as a graph that explains that in some year, I take it 2000, we had a surplus of revenues. Man, that is almost David Copperfieldish. You got some fancy math going on there skippy.

FishingRod

10-22-2009, 12:02 PM

TFG

10-22-2009, 12:06 PM

"I'm talking about courage, honor, guts, and you ain't got none of that!!!"

My last post before being tossed from a Vanderbilt board. We were being offered a second straight opener at The Big House on ESPN in 2007. The vast majority of Vanderbilt fans preferred an untelevised opener against Div 1aa Richmond...

The above quote from Hulka was in response to...

"we just want 6 wins to get to a bowl game"
"What do you mean top recruits like to play in big games on ESPN??"
"Look what happened last year, we lost"

Velvet_Jones

10-22-2009, 12:41 PM

CHIEF4EVER

10-22-2009, 12:50 PM

Psycho: The name's Francis Soyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

Leon: Ooooooh.

Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you.

Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis.

LMAO

We must have some sort of Vulcan Mind Meld going on because that is the same thing I am reminded of everytime TFG posts.

TFG: "Blahblahblahblah blah Zionists blah blah Chosen gurblurbleblah hang em all!

CP Poster: Dude, you're nuts.

TFG: You just made number 1 on the death list Winger!

WilliamTheIrish

10-23-2009, 11:56 PM

... But then, I'm a simple guy really. Reagan? ...

Yea. That's not a new revelation.

Pioli Zombie

10-24-2009, 06:10 AM

You Gold Bar buyin bagels and lox eatin yamaka wearin egg cream drinkin Mayor Koch how ya doin temple goin ownin all of Hollywood Christ killin look at the portions sayin if I were a Rich man prayin Zionist traitor kike Jewish Jew Jew JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- TFG's Resume
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patteeu

10-24-2009, 08:59 AM

What do you like about what Cheney and W did?

1. making OBL "not a priority"
2. taking a surplus and porking it into a trillion dollar deficit
3. lying to dump our troops in the wrong country
4. all of the above, because your FIXED birdbrain says they were "conservative"

Here are some of the things that I liked about them:

1. Toppling the Taliban regime in Afghanistan
2. Driving al Qaeda into the hills scrambling for a hiding spot instead of training thousands of new terrorists
3. Ending the reign of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
4. Standing up a government in Iraq that respects the rights of its own citizens and denies our islamist enemies the opportunity to operate freely there
5. Preventing additional significant attacks against the US in the wake of 9/11
6. Enhancing US diplomatic power by proving that we weren't a paper tiger (at least when we don't have weak leadership in the WH).

patteeu

10-24-2009, 09:07 AM

So, if it turns out that the "enhanced interrogations" you love so much really had nothing to do with stopping any future attacks, but instead were just all about lying to "link" Saddam and Osama, would you still like Cheney?

In the other thread, you are whining about the deficit. Who said the following bullshit... "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

???????????????????????????????????????????

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said it in his book. He claims that he was quoting Dick Cheney, but it's an unsupported assertion AFAICS. And now, when you retell the story, you lose even the questionable context provided in O'Neill's book so any message you're trying to make with it is completely devoid of credibility.

Who said "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?". Does it mean that God had really abandoned the speaker (as it appears to when presented without any context at all)? No, it doesn't.

patteeu

10-24-2009, 09:08 AM

See - I don't accept your premise.
1 - No - they just neutered his organization thats all. This is a lefty argument and is just silly.
2 - I did not agree with the all of the spending but this surplus that you speak of was just a projection before the dot com collapse and 9/11 happened. This is a lefty argument and is just silly.
3 - I think the troops were put in the right country. Time will tell if I'm right. How come we don't hear any news about Iraq anymore? The lying part is just silly and not true and it makes you look simple minded.
4 - Is this the best you can do? #1 and #3 have nothing to do with being conservative. #3 is the only one that could possibly have something to do with conservatism and I fundamentally disagree with your premise.

So, in conclusion - you are either just plan stupid or not honest.

All true.

patteeu

10-24-2009, 09:13 AM

Good. Then perhaps you should learn what FIXED won't tell you about Ronald Wilson Reagan...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/reagan-on-torture-prosecutions.html

""The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.""

REAGAN SIGNED THE ABOVE

Want more???

http://www.texasnationalpress.com/texlog/article.php?story=20090428090613961

"George W. Bush's Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn't even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan's Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions."

This is incorrect and it demonstrates your lack of understanding of the issues here. What happened in Texas was not the same thing that took place in the CIA enhanced interrogation program. The Texas sheriff had no legal authority to do what he was doing which is why he was prosecuted. The CIA interrogators were authorized to use waterboarding, but the authorization was carefully crafted to avoid crossing the line into torture. Splashing someone in the face with water is not torture. Forcing water into a detainees lungs with the intent to kill them or create severe bodily harm would have been torture. There is a line between those two extremes and the Bush Justice department defined the line and only authorized practices on the non-torture side of that line.

patteeu

10-24-2009, 09:18 AM

He's a lying sack of shit!

What lie are you talking about?

I'll point out a lie to you though. Ron Paul lied when he claimed to be quoting Ronald Reagan about the Lebanon situation in one of his columns. You've repeated that lie here on over a dozen occasions. I'm willing to assume that you were just an unaware dupe, but Ron Paul pretty clearly lied. That quote doesn't appear in Reagan's biography in the form he presented it. Instead, he took a few quotes out of context from different parts of the book, strung them together with some language that didn't even appear in the book and then presented them as one contiguous statement in order to give an impression that Reagan said something that he didn't really say. That's a lie.

patteeu

10-24-2009, 09:23 AM

You seem to think what Cheney did was "bad" for "Islamic Terrorism." Nothing could be further from the truth. Cheney, Tenet, and W were the greatest thing to ever happen to "radical Islam." They got "radical Islam" elected in Iran, Lebanon, and Palestine. They greatly increased recruiting and sympathy. They took out a major enemy of "radical Islam," that being SADDAM, who was NOT ISLAMIC and was Iran's biggest enemy. They fractured The Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, which was at war with The Taliban/AQ on 911 by flipping off Iran under Rafsanjani.

"If I only had a brain..." one of the more intellectual fellows from IOWA...

Good grief. "Radical Islam" government in Iran, Syria, and palestine predated the George W. Bush administration by decades.

KCTitus

10-24-2009, 09:41 AM

Im impressed with the cavalier nature that traitor and treason are thrown around in this thread...

I guess this is the new 'post partisan' world where you round up all those that disagree as traitors. Hmm....where have we witnessed this before in history?

TFG

10-24-2009, 01:39 PM

Good grief. "Radical Islam" government in Iran, Syria, and palestine predated the George W. Bush administration by decades.

That's another Zionist Lie from yet another Zionist Traitor.

Iran and Syria are ISRAEL's problems, not the US'. Israel needs to stop violating UN mandates and get back in its original borders. Until it does, PHUCK ITS SUPREMACIST IMPERIALIST REAR.

patteeu

10-24-2009, 01:51 PM

That's another Zionist Lie from yet another Zionist Traitor.

Iran and Syria are ISRAEL's problems, not the US'. Israel needs to stop violating UN mandates and get back in its original borders. Until it does, PHUCK ITS SUPREMACIST IMPERIALIST REAR.

Whose problem they are has no bearing on what type of government they are. Your fact-free assertions don't stand up to any scrutiny.

vailpass

10-24-2009, 01:51 PM

That's another Zionist Lie from yet another Zionist Traitor.

Iran and Syria are ISRAEL's problems, not the US'. Israel needs to stop violating UN mandates and get back in its original borders. Until it does, PHUCK ITS SUPREMACIST IMPERIALIST REAR.

In my country there is problem
And that problem is the Jew
They take everybody money
And they never give it back

Throw the jew down the well (repeat line)
So my country can be free (repeat line)
You must grab him by his horns (repeat line)
Then we have a big party (repeat line)

If you see the Jew coming
You must be carefull of his teeth
You must grab him by his money
And I tell you what to do

Throw the jew down the well (repeat line)
So my country can be free (repeat line)
You must grab him by his horns (repeat line)
Then we have a big party (repeat line)

Pioli Zombie

10-24-2009, 01:54 PM

vailpass

10-24-2009, 02:04 PM

God is going to grill you Cajun style
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Kosher Cajun, of course.

penchief

10-24-2009, 06:57 PM

I like Cheney. Hes got a ready wit and doesn't pull punches. Hes a great American. I like Wyoming as well. Great place to antelope hunt.

Anyone who doesn't believe Cheney has a ready wit can go fuch themself.

TFG

10-25-2009, 07:05 AM

Anyone who doesn't believe Cheney has a ready wit can go fuch themself.

And never forget that the Homeland Security PORK race was won by Wyoming, because we needed to spend disproportionately to protect WYOMING from a "terror attack,"

...

even though there is nothing to attack in Wyoming..

TFG

10-25-2009, 07:06 AM

God is going to grill you Cajun style
Posted via Mobile Device

WELL, YAWEH, WE'RE WAITING...

TFG

10-25-2009, 07:08 AM

Whose problem they are has no bearing on what type of government they are. Your fact-free assertions don't stand up to any scrutiny.

They are Israel's problem halfway across the globe. Venezuela, Cuba, those are US problems. Syria and Iran are not. Syria and Iran would have no problems with the US if the US did not support Israel's supremacist UN violating land grabs. Israel, in fact, is the most imperialistic country on the planet right now, ahead of Putin's Russia.

patteeu

10-25-2009, 09:11 AM

And never forget that the Homeland Security PORK race was won by Wyoming, because we needed to spend disproportionately to protect WYOMING from a "terror attack,"

...

even though there is nothing to attack in Wyoming..

Link?

TFG

10-25-2009, 09:16 AM

patteeu

10-25-2009, 09:32 AM

So glad you asked...

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWU4YmRiMDEyZDY5YjE2Y2NmZjgxZmUxODA2YWE4MTY=

"Most of these amendments will target homeland-security grants to states and localities that face minimal risk of terrorism. As the editors have pointed out before, there's no good reason why New York state should get $4.97 per capita in anti-terror funding, as compared with $37.74 for Wyoming and $104.35 for the U.S. Virgin Islands."

You're a real moron. That doesn't have anything to do with Cheney. Congress has a formula for distributing funds that allocates about 40% of funds equally to each state and the rest according to state population. Not only does your link not show that Wyoming is the top recipient, it fails to show any connection to Cheney at all.

TFG

10-25-2009, 09:39 AM

You're a real moron. That (disproportionate Federal HS PORK to Wyoming) doesn't have anything to do with Cheney.

ROFL