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Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:34 PM
After a 2 1/2 year absence from the dreadful IT industry, I have a job interview in the morning...

I am not really nervous, but more sick to my stomach than anything. I thought once I left that shit, I would never have to look back... Well thanks to the economy the flying industry is basically shit plus I cant get even get a sniff with my flight hours for a flying job. Just about everyone is laying off pilots right and left.


So instead of starving my family to death I have sucked up my pride and sent out some resumes. How can someone get excited about something the despise so badly?

Any thoughts? I know I need to keep things rolling and help relieve some of the stress from the wife and family. That what is important.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-22-2009, 06:36 PM
You should send out your resumes to drug cartels. Perhaps they are in need of wily pilots.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 06:37 PM
Is working in IT really that bad. I hope not cause i'm going to school for computer networking, also other IT based education

Deberg_1990
10-22-2009, 06:37 PM
You got to do what you got to do man.

Do you really hate it all that much? At least you wont be out digging ditches all day in the hot sun.

Der Flöprer
10-22-2009, 06:37 PM
I always thought you were a paid pilot. Good luck with the interview. It's tough out there and we've been fortunate enough to be largely unaffected and prospering in it. I wish you the same.

Der Flöprer
10-22-2009, 06:37 PM
Is working in IT really that bad. I hope not cause i'm going to school for computer networking, also other IT based education

Someone once told me to NEVER pursue passion in the workplace. He was an IT guy. Sorry.

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 06:38 PM
I would be studying tonight if I was you. Try to bring that information back out of the memory banks into easily accessible info.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 06:39 PM
I'm not really persuing passion, but i would like to enjoy somewhat and not hate my job like I do now

Der Flöprer
10-22-2009, 06:40 PM
I'm not really persuing passion, but i would like to enjoy somewhat and not hate my job like I do now

If you like the schooling then you're on your way. If not, abort.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:40 PM
I spent 12 years in the career field working at a Sr Network Engineer level. I hit job and career burnout... I worked for several different companies over that time and its the same thing regardless of where you go.

I did hit the wall and totally lost any desire to work with anyone in the IT industry... 90% of the time I cant stand any IT people I work with...

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:41 PM
I always thought you were a paid pilot. Good luck with the interview. It's tough out there and we've been fortunate enough to be largely unaffected and prospering in it. I wish you the same.

I was a paid pilot, but they are paying right now... Trips have fell off to basically nothing...

rockymtnchief
10-22-2009, 06:42 PM
Good luck.

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 06:42 PM
Is working in IT really that bad. I hope not cause i'm going to school for computer networking, also other IT based educationyour main problem is going to be getting started. No matter how many certifications and degrees you have, if you don't have experience its really hard right now to get someone to take a chance on you.

I.T. jobs are no different from other fields. Depends on how the company treats you, views your value to the company.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:42 PM
I would be studying tonight if I was you. Try to bring that information back out of the memory banks into easily accessible info.

have reviewed a few things, called some buddies for info...

Der Flöprer
10-22-2009, 06:42 PM
I was a paid pilot, but they are paying right now... Trips have fell off to basically nothing...

I had no idea bro. I'm sorry to hear it.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 06:45 PM
I do find alot of what i'm learning interesting, but don't really like going to school with a bunch of computer geeks and i know i'll be working with a bunch when i graduate, but hey if the money's good i guess i can deal with it

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:47 PM
I had no idea bro. I'm sorry to hear it.its okay...

i am going to use this time to complete the last class for my BS and start a MS in aviation managment this coming summer...

If anything maybe I can get into an aviation company as an executive level employee...

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 06:47 PM
Thats another thing, I have absolutely no experience doing anything IT related. I'm only 22 and have been a machinist ever since i joined the work force when I turned 18

Skip Towne
10-22-2009, 06:48 PM
You got to do what you got to do man.

Do you really hate it all that much? At least you wont be out digging ditches all day in the hot sun.

He'd probbably make more money operatng a backhoe.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:48 PM
I do find alot of what i'm learning interesting, but don't really like going to school with a bunch of computer geeks and i know i'll be working with a bunch when i graduate, but hey if the money's good i guess i can deal with it

This is where I fail... I 99% of the time have nothing in common with the people I work with...

after work I want to go to a bar and grab a beer, wings and catch some football, basketball etc... They would rather stay late, masturbate each others hard drives and go home to surf kiddie porn....

After awhile it grates on you...

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 06:49 PM
have reviewed a few things, called some buddies for info...The last round of interviews I did were pretty healthy. I guess too many braindumpers are making it past the interview and flopping when they hit the real world.

I always felt that I can talk with someone for about 5 mintues and can tell whether they know what they are talking about or not. I think most senior I.T. guys can.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:49 PM
He'd probbably make more money operatng a backhoe.

heck who knows... But this is a very very sweet paying gig.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 06:50 PM
hey i'm just like you bro. I'm tired of hearing these assholes talk about being nationally ranked in halo, and playing in call of duty tournaments. I don't give a fuck about that shit. I wanna get down on some madden

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:51 PM
The last round of interviews I did were pretty healthy. I guess too many braindumpers are making it past the interview and flopping when they hit the real world.

I always felt that I can talk with someone for about 5 mintues and can tell whether they know what they are talking about or not. I think most senior I.T. guys can.

90% of my trainign is all hands on. I am not a paper ccie or msce... You can look at my resume and see that I have not bullshitted my way through this industry...

PM me your email and i will send you my resume.

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 06:51 PM
Thats another thing, I have absolutely no experience doing anything IT related. I'm only 22 and have been a machinist ever since i joined the work force when I turned 18You need experience. Volunteer at a non profit. Work part time, do desktop support anything.

KC Jones
10-22-2009, 06:51 PM
my advice:

1) don't admit you hate IT and you're just going back temporarily. Make up some bullshit about how you miss it and flying wasn't for you.

2) There are plenty of us who grab beers after work and hang out. You probably have just been stuck working in shitty places. If you can afford to, be picky about where you work.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:52 PM
hey i'm just like you bro. I'm tired of hearing these assholes talk about being nationally ranked in halo, and playing in call of duty tournaments. I don't give a **** about that shit. I wanna get down on some madden

It will take some time to get used too.... but do agree, i would rather kick back for some college basketball at a sports bar with the guys than I would going home to play Halo with rest of queerbaits..

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 06:53 PM
90% of my trainign is all hands on. I am not a paper ccie or msce... You can look at my resume and see that I have not bullshitted my way through this industry...

PM me your email and i will send you my resume.Yeah I feel the same way. Once you hit 10 years of experience, you would think that your not faking it but they still drill you.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 06:53 PM
You need experience. Volunteer at a non profit. Work part time, do desktop support anything.

There is a temp agency here that employs part time for IT gigs, but you have to be A+ certified which I am not

KC Jones
10-22-2009, 06:54 PM
The last round of interviews I did were pretty healthy. I guess too many braindumpers are making it past the interview and flopping when they hit the real world.

I always felt that I can talk with someone for about 5 mintues and can tell whether they know what they are talking about or not. I think most senior I.T. guys can.

nah - My boss is fucking amazingly brilliant, but I got past him. Shit I even kept it up long enough that I got a promotion last year. He's just now realizing that I'm a lazy bastard who pulls everything out of his ass at the 11th hour.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:54 PM
my advice:

1) don't admit you hate IT and you're just going back temporarily. Make up some bullshit about how you miss it and flying wasn't for you.

2) There are plenty of us who grab beers after work and hang out. You probably have just been stuck working in shitty places. If you can afford to, be picky about where you work.

Oh I will, my hope is they have an airplane, it is a pretty big company here in OKC.... They are looking for a SR Net Admin.... Somehting I can do in my sleep....

I am hoping they will have an airplane so I can work my way into that department from the IT department...

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 06:55 PM
There is a temp agency here that employs part time for IT gigs, but you have to be A+ certified which I am not

A+ cert is very over rated....


Honestly, when I was hiring people, I avoided all those certs and wouldnt hire people based on papers, but based on abilities and personality.

Der Flöprer
10-22-2009, 06:55 PM
hey i'm just like you bro. I'm tired of hearing these assholes talk about being nationally ranked in halo, and playing in call of duty tournaments. I don't give a fuck about that shit. I wanna get down on some madden

LMAO Nice post. Welcome to Chiefsplanet n00b.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 06:59 PM
I just started my associates degree program, and have heard different stories about guys just having a 2 yr degree. In general how much do you guys think I start out making as a yearly salary

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:01 PM
I just started my associates degree program, and have heard different stories about guys just having a 2 yr degree. In general how much do you guys think I start out making as a yearly salarymy guess is upper 20's to low 30's......

I would go ahead and get the BS before I went into the industry... Gives you a massive leg up on 75% of the people you compete with...

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 07:01 PM
LMAO Nice post. Welcome to Chiefsplanet n00b.

thank you sir, i've been a lurker for a while now just recently decided to get an account and start posting. I respect alot of your guys opinions and felt like getting in on the action

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 07:02 PM
There is a temp agency here that employs part time for IT gigs, but you have to be A+ certified which I am notYou have got to pound the pavement. Call non profits, see if the local junior college needs help desk support, whatever. You have to stand out.
Ceritfications will help you with word searchs in job databases, HR, some non-technical managers, but in the real world they don't mean chit.

Dayze
10-22-2009, 07:02 PM
After a 2 1/2 year absence from the dreadful IT industry, I have a job interview in the morning...

I am not really nervous, but more sick to my stomach than anything. I thought once I left that shit, I would never have to look back... Well thanks to the economy the flying industry is basically shit plus I cant get even get a sniff with my flight hours for a flying job. Just about everyone is laying off pilots right and left.


So instead of starving my family to death I have sucked up my pride and sent out some resumes. How can someone get excited about something the despise so badly?

Any thoughts? I know I need to keep things rolling and help relieve some of the stress from the wife and family. That what is important.


Good luck man. You've put in a lot of time, and effort in your flying; hopefully this is just temporary and you can get back in it when this economy pick up again.

It'll be tough - getting back into something you hated in the first place etc. I am/was there. Definitely not fun. Just try to not let it get to you once you're back in the IT world etc. That's what I have to do/continually work on doing (albeit in a different industry).

Good luck man. It'll work out.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 07:04 PM
my guess is upper 20's to low 30's......

I would go ahead and get the BS before I went into the industry... Gives you a massive leg up on 75% of the people you compete with...

yeah i've heard anywhere from 35-45k which if fucking sweet for me right now but i know that getting BS is definately where the real money starts kickin

wutamess
10-22-2009, 07:04 PM
This is where I fail... I 99% of the time have nothing in common with the people I work with...

after work I want to go to a bar and grab a beer, wings and catch some football, basketball etc... They would rather stay late, masturbate each others hard drives and go home to surf kiddie porn....

After awhile it grates on you...


God! I know the fuggin feeling. I have a 2 bosses that's continually checking internet usage and tracking emails. It's so bad that 1 has resorted to waking up peoples black screens (by moving the mouse) to see what windows they have open. I got offered a company phone and told them to shove it up their ass. No way they're gonna give me a phone with no texting capabilities and they keep track of everything you do with it. I have a feeling they're upset because I use my personal phone for work and they can't track my txts which is what I'm left with for entertainment since they're now monitoring Inet usage.

Then there's the geeks. Only one "grab a beer" person and she's a sorority type female. I'm trying to inch my way out of IT as well. Must get things worked out in order to do so but the micromanaging is slowly taking me there.

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 07:05 PM
my guess is upper 20's to low 30's......

I would go ahead and get the BS before I went into the industry... Gives you a massive leg up on 75% of the people you compete with...True dat but once you get real world experience and verifiable refrences, degrees are not important, unless you want to get into management.

vailpass
10-22-2009, 07:07 PM
You're doing what you have to do to make ends meet, an honorable pursuit unertaken by many before you. If you have to do it you can either hate it or choose to accept it and make the best of it while you have your eyes open for something better. The latter makes you more fun when you get home.
As does stopping off for a toddy or three after work.

DaKernal
10-22-2009, 07:07 PM
You have got to pound the pavement. Call non profits, see if the local junior college needs help desk support, whatever. You have to stand out.
Ceritfications will help you with word searchs in job databases, HR, some non-technical managers, but in the real world they don't mean chit.

thanks for the advice i will keep all that in mind.

(btw dude you avatar is the shit, love that ass)

wutamess
10-22-2009, 07:07 PM
FWIW: help desk people are the coolest in IT. The higher ups are so into their self help seminars and books it's rediculous.

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 07:12 PM
thanks for the advice i will keep all that in mind.

(btw dude you avatar is the shit, love that ass)
Designed by AriChiefs, who is also pretty advanced in tech skills. Would be a good resource also.

WilliamTheIrish
10-22-2009, 07:13 PM
Good luck RR. If it doesn't work out you can go back to western Kansas and...


Warm. Up. The. Tractor. ;)

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:13 PM
God! I know the fuggin feeling. I have a 2 bosses that's continually checking internet usage and tracking emails. It's so bad that 1 has resorted to waking up peoples black screens (by moving the mouse) to see what windows they have open. I got offered a company phone and told them to shove it up their ass. No way they're gonna give me a phone with no texting capabilities and they keep track of everything you do with it. I have a feeling they're upset because I use my personal phone for work and they can't track my txts which is what I'm left with for entertainment since they're now monitoring Inet usage.

Then there's the geeks. Only one "grab a beer" person and she's a sorority type female. I'm trying to inch my way out of IT as well. Must get things worked out in order to do so but the micromanaging is slowly taking me there.

Been there and done that.... The parinoid and panic IT people will drive you nuts... Typical of guys that never had a date in school and havent had some nookie since nookie had them...

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:14 PM
Good luck RR. If it doesn't work out you can go back to western Kansas and...


Warm. Up. The. Tractor. ;)

I would if it would stop raining....

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 07:37 PM
God! I know the fuggin feeling. I have a 2 bosses that's continually checking internet usage and tracking emails. It's so bad that 1 has resorted to waking up peoples black screens (by moving the mouse) to see what windows they have open. I got offered a company phone and told them to shove it up their ass. No way they're gonna give me a phone with no texting capabilities and they keep track of everything you do with it. I have a feeling they're upset because I use my personal phone for work and they can't track my txts which is what I'm left with for entertainment since they're now monitoring Inet usage.

Then there's the geeks. Only one "grab a beer" person and she's a sorority type female. I'm trying to inch my way out of IT as well. Must get things worked out in order to do so but the micromanaging is slowly taking me there.
Everyone has to deal with idiots above them. So I got a new domain. About 100 servers. Need to push out a WSUS client and the local policy to tell it to get its updates from the WSUS master server. I create the GPO push it out and every single server worked perfectly. The next day the idiot team lead comes in and tells me to create a local GPO. I explain in very simple terms that the domain wide policy that I made will over rule any local policy I create. After awhile he finally admits this is true. But he still wants me to set the local policy up also to make sure that in case the domain policy fails we will have a local policy as a backup. I further explain if the policy fails so does the pssword policy, the rights to resources, etc, He says I don't care. So I spent 4 days of my life logging onto each frigging server and settting up a local policy that will be overwritten daily.:banghead:

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:39 PM
Everyone has to deal with idiots above them. So I got a new domain. About 100 servers. Need to push out a WSUS client and the local policy to tell it to get its updates from the WSUS master server. I create the GPO push it out and every single server worked perfectly. The next day the idiot team lead comes in and tells me to create a local GPO. I explain in very simple terms that the domain wide policy that I made will over rule any local policy I create. After awhile he finally admits this is true. But he still wants me to set the local policy up also to make sure that in case the domain policy fails we will have a local policy as a backup. I further explain if the policy fails so does the pssword policy, the rights to resources, etc, He says I don't care. So I spent 4 days of my life logging onto each frigging server and settting up a local policy that will be overwritten daily.:banghead:

ROFL

No way would I have done that on the local level... I would of told him to get fucked and do it himself... That is micromanaging bullshit that pisses me off to no end.... No way in hell would I let him get away with that unless he wanted his ass fucking beat..

Count Alex's Losses
10-22-2009, 07:40 PM
Some of you are really bigoted towards computer geeks. They're people too, you know.

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 07:41 PM
ROFL

No way would I have done that on the local level... I would of told him to get ****ed and do it himself... That is micromanaging bullshit that pisses me off to no end.... No way in hell would I let him get away with that unless he wanted his ass ****ing beat..I figured I'm getting way over paid for my job so if they want me to do BS work, so be it.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:42 PM
Some of you are really bigoted towards computer geeks. They're people too, you know.

I will always always be a bigot towards computer geeks... The are computer geeks and should be treated as computer geeks...

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:43 PM
I figured I'm getting way over paid for my job so if they want me to do BS work, so be it.

it would of taken me more than 2 weeks, I would of milked that for everything possible...

Maybe even up to a month...

Deberg_1990
10-22-2009, 07:46 PM
I will always always be a bigot towards computer geeks... The are computer geeks and should be treated as computer geeks...

Takes one to know one doesnt it?

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 07:47 PM
it would of taken me more than 2 weeks, I would of milked that for everything possible...

Maybe even up to a month...
Nah, then my real work would have just piled up.

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Takes one to know one doesnt it?

:clap:

You think?

Reerun_KC
10-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Nah, then my real work would have just piled up.

Fair enough...

Iowanian
10-22-2009, 07:57 PM
Sounds like working for someone else is unbearable. Sack up and do your own thing, because no one ever tells you what to do then....


Oh....other than every client, and then there are the weeks where you don't get any billable work done because you're screwing with taxes and payroll and proposals and bids and RFQs and customer service and product development and marketing.

Appreciate the opportunties you have, some of you sound like Derrick Johnson.

Buehler445
10-22-2009, 07:59 PM
Everyone has to deal with idiots above them. So I got a new domain. About 100 servers. Need to push out a WSUS client and the local policy to tell it to get its updates from the WSUS master server. I create the GPO push it out and every single server worked perfectly. The next day the idiot team lead comes in and tells me to create a local GPO. I explain in very simple terms that the domain wide policy that I made will over rule any local policy I create. After awhile he finally admits this is true. But he still wants me to set the local policy up also to make sure that in case the domain policy fails we will have a local policy as a backup. I further explain if the policy fails so does the pssword policy, the rights to resources, etc, He says I don't care. So I spent 4 days of my life logging onto each frigging server and settting up a local policy that will be overwritten daily.:banghead:

:bang:

Seriously. Postal time. Can you just jack with his computer? Like force a desktop backround of a fat chick or something? You techie guys can do anything.

Buehler445
10-22-2009, 08:00 PM
Well, good luck Reerun. Tear the shit up and get momma a chushy bank account.

RJ
10-22-2009, 08:02 PM
Things are tough right now. I've definitely been swallowing some shit this year that I wouldn't have in the past. I hate to say "happy to have a job", but there is some truth in it.

StcChief
10-22-2009, 08:03 PM
the network end is full of dweebs. Creativity, design, development are completely different.

Bearcat
10-22-2009, 08:23 PM
the network end is full of dweebs. Creativity, design, development are completely different.

Yeah, hardware sucks.

Everyone I hear who says they hate IT is a Network Admin or on the networking side... or at least supports hardware in one way or another.

While I'm not a "it's a hardware problem" type of person, I couldn't do it all the time... I did it for a couple of years and that was enough.

djrcmay
10-22-2009, 09:21 PM
I heard McDonald's is hiring.

BigRedChief
10-22-2009, 09:44 PM
Yeah, hardware sucks.

Everyone I hear who says they hate IT is a Network Admin or on the networking side... or at least supports hardware in one way or another.

While I'm not a "it's a hardware problem" type of person, I couldn't do it all the time... I did it for a couple of years and that was enough.nlm Hardware. I hate dealing with hardware.

Rain Man
10-22-2009, 09:48 PM
Reerun, I think the key to job satisfaction in this situation is to pretend that the network stuff is a critical avionics box and you're over the Pacific dropping at 500 feet per minute, and you have to get the avionics box working within 40 minutes or you're going to die.

Red Coater
10-22-2009, 09:48 PM
good luck :thumb:

Fritz88
10-22-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm not really persuing passion, but i would like to enjoy somewhat and not hate my job like I do now

The problem with IT is that your superiors sometimes may not understand how hard it is to get some stuff done. They ask for unrealistic deadlines and unrealistic goals and expect you to get it done.

I work as a full time programmer and it's sucking the life out of me.

Does that mean I hate my job. Not really, sometimes I like that it provides variety for me. Different challenges, different issues to deal with. It's economy proof as well.

Good luck. It's better than many jobs out there. Trust me.

Fritz88
10-22-2009, 10:20 PM
This is where I fail... I 99% of the time have nothing in common with the people I work with...

after work I want to go to a bar and grab a beer, wings and catch some football, basketball etc... They would rather stay late, masturbate each others hard drives and go home to surf kiddie porn....

After awhile it grates on you...

The people I work with,none and I mean none whatsoever has any interest in Football or Basketball. I can live with that because some like to talk about other issues that I have some interest in (history, politics, etc) or else I would shoot myself.

luv
10-22-2009, 10:21 PM
Best of luck to you.

Fritz88
10-22-2009, 10:25 PM
God! I know the fuggin feeling. I have a 2 bosses that's continually checking internet usage and tracking emails. It's so bad that 1 has resorted to waking up peoples black screens (by moving the mouse) to see what windows they have open. I got offered a company phone and told them to shove it up their ass. No way they're gonna give me a phone with no texting capabilities and they keep track of everything you do with it. I have a feeling they're upset because I use my personal phone for work and they can't track my txts which is what I'm left with for entertainment since they're now monitoring Inet usage.

Then there's the geeks. Only one "grab a beer" person and she's a sorority type female. I'm trying to inch my way out of IT as well. Must get things worked out in order to do so but the micromanaging is slowly taking me there.

How can you make it throughout the day without internet?

Saulbadguy
10-22-2009, 10:41 PM
No complaints here...

Skip Towne
10-22-2009, 10:57 PM
I'm glad I'm not in IT. Sounds like most people hate it.

scorpio
10-23-2009, 01:01 AM
I'm glad I'm not in IT. Sounds like most people hate it.

It would be a great job if it wasn't for all of the other people.

Big Dog
10-23-2009, 08:30 AM
Sorry, the old man in me forced me to post...probably a mistake.

Good luck on the interview.

It seems you are destined to fail though. If you are truly trying to re-enter the industry as you have depicted, you'll hate it, yourself, and everyone else within a couple of months. Have you ever heard of self fulfilling prophecies? I have been out of 'normal' work environment for about a year now, and I was glad to be away from some things. I too am considering a re-entry into IT...but I can tell you...not with such an attitude. There were annoying people, micro managers, silly executive decisions, etc. BUT these exist in ANY office environment. The key for me will be to focus on the positives...and if you really can't find any...

I understand that 'putting food on the table' is a requirement, but if you truly despise the work, your attitude, opinions, communication and general demeanor will do you and your family no good.

Instead of going back into IT, maybe you should look at another career...I mean that's what you did in aviation right? And apparently you enjoyed it? In the meantime find some company that needs a contractor for a short term project...recruiters have tons of these(well, at least they do in programming)...the job will be a lot easier when you know it simply is a stop-gap while you are searching for something more fulfilling...and the stress will be greatly reduced.

Skip Towne
10-23-2009, 08:41 AM
It would be a great job if it wasn't for all of the other people.

I hear that. I hate people.

ArrowheadHawk
10-23-2009, 09:10 AM
Wow. I love the IT field and feel blessed to get paid for what I love to do. I believe you need to like what you do for a living. It will make yor whole life better. If you don't like IT then don't do it and leave it for the people who like to do it.
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Bearcat
10-23-2009, 09:18 AM
It would be a great job if it wasn't for all of the other people.

The problem with IT is that your superiors sometimes may not understand how hard it is to get some stuff done. They ask for unrealistic deadlines and unrealistic goals and expect you to get it done.


Yeah... when I was in tech support, I didn't even mind the customers nearly as much as the quality dept. They just didn't understand that computer software and hardware doesn't often go by the book, and they actually scored down for thinking outside of the box.

As far as my current job, it's the status meeting overload that gets to me the most. I usually have a project manager from both my company and the customer's company, plus my own department's meetings.... what's my status? I'm in a f***ing meeting. When I get out of the meeting, I'll be 30 minutes behind, plus the amount of time it takes me to remember what the hell I was doing before I had to go. Oh, but I have another meeting after this, to tell another group that my status is that I just got out of a f***ing meeting and now I'm in another f***ing meeting. I'll be sure to get some work done when I get home.

:banghead:
The people I work with,none and I mean none whatsoever has any interest in Football or Basketball. I can live with that because some like to talk about other issues that I have some interest in (history, politics, etc) or else I would shoot myself.

Heh... I lived in Omaha a year, and hardly anyone I dealt with at work cared about football. It was all about soccer. Even now, there are only a few people I talk to about college football, and a couple aren't even Husker fans.

Bearcat
10-23-2009, 09:21 AM
Wow. I love the IT field and feel blessed to get paid for what I love to do. I believe you need to like what you do for a living. It will make yor whole life better. If you don't like IT then don't do it and leave it for the people who like to do it.
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Yep, all that said, I still love working in IT... I've thought about moving closer to the business side, whether it's project management or whatever, but I just can't do it. I'd much rather be on the technical side of it.... and I couldn't imagine doing it if I didn't really enjoy it, because it's a ton of work at times and can get pretty stressful.

Otter
10-23-2009, 09:29 AM
Hitting my 11th year in IT and burnout is chasing me around like a psycho ex-girlfriend. The fact I was laid off from a job that had me traveling around the country and moving and shaking all day to a desk jockey just kicked my ass over the last year.

I scaled back my lifestyle and have some decent bank roll. I'm going to be looking down a different path come spring 2010 if I can't make some things happen. Hopefully something where I can still apply wireless networking knowledge but not spending all day staring at a computer screen.

Couldn't agree with you more on the collective IT crowd. I can count the number of friends (outside of work friends) I made in the last 11 years on one hand. Lots of large, fragile egos who couldn't make it in a competitive environment if they didn't have a superior to run to accompanied by personalities of dull wood.

Good luck on both sides of the spectrum.

Buehler445
10-23-2009, 09:38 AM
Tear it up this morning, Chief.
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kepp
10-23-2009, 09:42 AM
Is working in IT really that bad. I hope not cause i'm going to school for computer networking, also other IT based education

It's pretty much like any other occupation. Some days suck while other days are fine. I assume you're going into more of the sys/ops side of things? They probably get shat on more than developers (what I do), but as long as you grow some think skin, you'll be alright.

Skip Towne
10-23-2009, 09:45 AM
I know I won't ever have to work in IT. I can barely spell it.

Buehler445
10-23-2009, 09:46 AM
Sorry, the old man in me forced me to post...probably a mistake.

Good luck on the interview.

It seems you are destined to fail though. If you are truly trying to re-enter the industry as you have depicted, you'll hate it, yourself, and everyone else within a couple of months. Have you ever heard of self fulfilling prophecies? I have been out of 'normal' work environment for about a year now, and I was glad to be away from some things. I too am considering a re-entry into IT...but I can tell you...not with such an attitude. There were annoying people, micro managers, silly executive decisions, etc. BUT these exist in ANY office environment. The key for me will be to focus on the positives...and if you really can't find any...

I understand that 'putting food on the table' is a requirement, but if you truly despise the work, your attitude, opinions, communication and general demeanor will do you and your family no good.

Instead of going back into IT, maybe you should look at another career...I mean that's what you did in aviation right? And apparently you enjoyed it? In the meantime find some company that needs a contractor for a short term project...recruiters have tons of these(well, at least they do in programming)...the job will be a lot easier when you know it simply is a stop-gap while you are searching for something more fulfilling...and the stress will be greatly reduced.

Good thoughts here, but they are a little overly-utopian, IMO.

It is possible for Reerun to go into this job in the event that he gets it and still perform well. Very few people are in a dream job that they are TRUELY happy with. So on some level or another almost everyone is dealing with some sort of negativity coming from their job at some point. Most don't let it affect them (on the outside) or their families. Sometimes you have to compartmentalize your life, which Reerun will have to do. As long as he's been in the industry, I think he has a good understanding of what it will take to make it work.

Your thoughts are good ones, but very rarely does one achieve true job satisfaction.
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Otter
10-23-2009, 09:47 AM
This is where I fail... I 99% of the time have nothing in common with the people I work with...

after work I want to go to a bar and grab a beer, wings and catch some football, basketball etc... They would rather stay late, masturbate each others hard drives and go home to surf kiddie porn....

After awhile it grates on you...

Yep. Not only that but the 'what did you do on the weekend?' talk is brutal. I'm looking for someone to occasionally talk about fly fishing, biking, kayaking, getting drunk and having a blast, hunting at the cabin stories...anything remotely interesting.

Instead you hear about picking out curtains at linens and things and how their WOW character reached level 80 and finished the big raid on Saturday Night.

You spend so much time with these people and it's brutal after awhile.

ArrowheadHawk
10-23-2009, 09:48 AM
I know I won't ever have to work in IT. I can barely spell it.

Nice.
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Mile High Mania
10-23-2009, 09:50 AM
Is working in IT really that bad. I hope not cause i'm going to school for computer networking, also other IT based education

I'm not really persuing passion, but i would like to enjoy somewhat and not hate my job like I do now

I do find alot of what i'm learning interesting, but don't really like going to school with a bunch of computer geeks and i know i'll be working with a bunch when i graduate, but hey if the money's good i guess i can deal with it

Thats another thing, I have absolutely no experience doing anything IT related. I'm only 22 and have been a machinist ever since i joined the work force when I turned 18

Lots of interesting things in your comments...

No experience is going to mean you will "take what you can get and be a grunt willing to do anything to advance", which is how many start out.

I work with a lot of IT organizations and there's a solid mix of geeks and normal people... much like everything else in life. If IT is not your passion and you're just doing it for potentially a nice check... then it could be draining on you, especially if the geek factor will annoy you.

It also depends on where you live and the types of companies you have to choose from... if you're able to find a great company that has lots of upward opportunity, you could really be able to get into a number of fields within IT once you have a few years of experience.

You should attend IT networking types of events - get your name out there and know people. If you don't have connections, you'll be at a disadvantage.

The last 18 months has been very hard on companies and IT specifically... I know the hours over incredibly demanding, no matter where you are in the food chain. I know many VPs and SVPs that are at their office from 7am to 7pm... just like the rest of the people that report to them in IT. It's been hard, but signs of good things are on the horizon... companies are starting to spend again and re-invest in IT.

Buehler445
10-23-2009, 09:56 AM
It's pretty much like any other occupation. Some days suck while other days are fine. I assume you're going into more of the sys/ops side of things? They probably get shat on more than developers (what I do), but as long as you grow some think skin, you'll be alright.

Pretty much, from what I understand, this is right. There are a few aspects of IT that are different, generally speaking, that affect the environment. Probably the biggest thing is that in most cases IT is a support unit and not a core business function. And that can create some tension.

The part about them all being nerds happens in any environment. I do Internal Audit, so I have to deal with almost every department and they're all fucking different. Every one of them. And they all speak different fucking languages. The hardest thing to do is have them explain what they do in a financial sense. It is mind boggling how different the people are in various aspects of an organization.
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Buehler445
10-23-2009, 10:00 AM
Yep. Not only that but the 'what did you do on the weekend?' talk is brutal. I'm looking for someone to occasionally talk about fly fishing, biking, kayaking, getting drunk and having a blast, hunting at the cabin stories...anything remotely interesting.

Instead you hear about picking out curtains at linens and things and how their WOW character reached level 80 and finished the big raid on Saturday Night.

You spend so much time with these people and it's brutal after awhile.

I feel you dude. I feel you. When I was in college most people were around my age. But now I'm the only idiot without kids and trying to do fun stuff and enjoy my youth. So I get things like, "well, I took my car to the shop this morning," and "on the way to school this morning my husband calls and...".
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Reerun_KC
10-23-2009, 12:20 PM
Okay ladies, Back from the interview....

It went well actually. Was easy to sit through and interview when you didnt have any expecations either way. Wasnt nervous, all my answers were crisp clear and very thoughtout... I noticed a huge difference in myself now than I did 4 1/2 years ago when I interviewed. The aviation industry allowed me to handle the pressure very well. Never once was nervous or stumbled over any words...

Seemed like a good job, BUT, they like to work long hours and weekends.. At first they didnt seem geeky, but they turned out to be very GoChiefs like by the end of the interview...

I did realize I am about 1 version behind on most OS's, Exchange, etc.... Not that much of a learning curve. So we will see where it goes.

I did get an job this am working for some guys I am teaching how to fly. They do IT work across the state, BUT they cant hire me until the state pays them their funding for the year. Nice thing is I would get half the salary up front in a lump sum, with the rest being paid out over the course of the next 12 months...

So while I am waiting on that, I am going to keep looking or if Buehler would get his shit together and make the rain stop, some of us would have a chance to make some extra cash. Damn you B! Damn your wet farm lands to hell!

Buehler445
10-23-2009, 12:24 PM
Good news. Hopefully something acceptable comes your way.

Sorry about the rain dude. Yesterday the weather showed 8 clear days, today they threw in 2 that are supposed to be rainy :cuss:
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Brock
10-23-2009, 12:33 PM
Nice thing is I would get half the salary up front in a lump sum, with the rest being paid out over the course of the next 12 months...

Don't forget to change your exemptions before you get that check.

BigRedChief
10-23-2009, 02:13 PM
Okay ladies, Back from the interview....

It went well actually. Was easy to sit through and interview when you didnt have any expecations either way. Wasnt nervous, all my answers were crisp clear and very thoughtout... I noticed a huge difference in myself now than I did 4 1/2 years ago when I interviewed. The aviation industry allowed me to handle the pressure very well. Never once was nervous or stumbled over any words...Yeah, I'm never nervous anymore. I'm checking them out as much as they are me. I am what I am. I don't BS or say I can do "stuff" that I won't be able to prove week 1. We don't match up? cool, I'll be okay.

Deberg_1990
10-23-2009, 02:45 PM
At first they didnt seem geeky, but they turned out to be very GoChiefs like by the end of the interview...



Explain please?

They broke out the Star Wars costumes and gave you links to Pron?

BigRedChief
10-23-2009, 02:46 PM
Explain please?

They broke out the Star Wars costumes and gave you links to Pron?
Sounds like my kind of place! :clap:

Reerun_KC
10-23-2009, 02:51 PM
Explain please?

They broke out the Star Wars costumes and gave you links to Pron?ROFL


Lets just say when we were talking about interests outside of work, they broke out talking about how they like to work on their networks at home, blah blah blah...

I figured with the job being in Norman, we would get a little OU talk or some Big 12 action.... Nope nothing like that...


So what is this Pron you speak of?

Buehler445
10-23-2009, 03:01 PM
ROFL


Lets just say when we were talking about interests outside of work, they broke out talking about how they like to work on their networks at home, blah blah blah...

I figured with the job being in Norman, we would get a little OU talk or some Big 12 action.... Nope nothing like that...


So what is this Pron you speak of?

Ouch dude. Home networks? Brutal.
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Fishpicker
10-23-2009, 03:01 PM
After a 2 1/2 year absence from the dreadful IT industry, I have a job interview in the morning...

I am not really nervous, but more sick to my stomach than anything. I thought once I left that shit, I would never have to look back... Well thanks to the economy the flying industry is basically shit plus I cant get even get a sniff with my flight hours for a flying job. Just about everyone is laying off pilots right and left.


So instead of starving my family to death I have sucked up my pride and sent out some resumes. How can someone get excited about something the despise so badly?

Any thoughts? I know I need to keep things rolling and help relieve some of the stress from the wife and family. That what is important.

think of it this way... all skills are perishable & you haven't done any work in the IT field for 2.5 years. They're desperate. no matter what they offer... balk at it. the job is yours' either way. but you should set the tone, and you should make it clear that you think very little of them. I don't see how this would cause you any stress whatsoever.

tell them you speak just a little Hindi, Punjabi, or Urdu and you're Golden.

Deberg_1990
10-23-2009, 03:15 PM
ROFL


Lets just say when we were talking about interests outside of work, they broke out talking about how they like to work on their networks at home, blah blah blah...

I figured with the job being in Norman, we would get a little OU talk or some Big 12 action.... Nope nothing like that...


So what is this Pron you speak of?

heh, so you dont like to go home on the weekends and tinker with your home network? ROFL

BigRedChief
10-24-2009, 06:11 AM
heh, so you dont like to go home on the weekends and tinker with your home network? ROFLquestions like that are always about how you would fit in with the rest of the people in your department. I can live in both worlds. I've got a Hyper-V installation and set up a 2008 Server core installation, Windows 7 desktops and a 2005 SQL server etc. but, I also spend a lot of my time talking Chiefs football and watching ball games.

KC Jones
10-24-2009, 07:26 AM
Lets just say when we were talking about interests outside of work, they broke out talking about how they like to work on their networks at home, blah blah blah...



I've never understood this. The gaming thing I can get since I'm a gamer, but that's not what I do all day at work and in my mind it's just another form of entertainment/escapism. Coming home and hacking on stuff after I just got done doing that for 10 hours? Fuck no.

ArrowheadHawk
10-24-2009, 08:48 AM
I've never understood this. The gaming thing I can get since I'm a gamer, but that's not what I do all day at work and in my mind it's just another form of entertainment/escapism. Coming home and hacking on stuff after I just got done doing that for 10 hours? **** no.

Same here. I don't want to fix shit when I come home from work. My wife has to nag me repeatedly if there is a problem on her laptop, I just don't want to mess with computers after I just got done doing it all day.