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HonestChieffan
10-23-2009, 12:32 PM
The rest of the world plays him like a 5 pound carp
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6417004/Iran-rejects-UN-nuclear-plan.html


http://www.weaselzippers.net/.a/6a00e008c6b4e588340120a66f2dcf970c-320wi

Iran rejects UN nuclear plan
Iran has failed to accept a UN drafted plan for it to cut a stockpile of nuclear fuel that the West fears could be used for weapons, and instead said it wanted to buy nuclear fuel from abroad.

Published: 3:52PM BST 23 Oct 2009

International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohammed El Baradei Photo: AFP/GETTY
The deal drafted by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has already been approved by the other parties - the United States, Russia and France.

By offering a rival proposal, Iran appeared to be following a well-tested strategy of buying time to avert a threatened tightening of international sanctions.

Iran's reported counter-offer appeared at first glance to offer the West little.

It would not only fail to reduce the stockpile of enriched uranium that is worrying the international community, but also require sanctions imposed on Iran since 2006 to be waived to allow it to buy such sensitive nuclear material.

"Iran is interested in buying fuel for the Tehran research reactor within the framework of a clear proposal," Iranian state television quoted a member of Iran's negotiating team, who attended nuclear talks in Vienna this week, as saying.

"We are waiting for the other party's constructive and trust-building response."

Bernard Kouchner, the French foreign minister, was quoted as saying during a visit to Lebanon that "via the indications we are receiving, matters are not very positive".

Precise details of Iran's counter-proposal were not made public, and Washington said it was still awaiting a formal Iranian response. But it was unclear how allowing Iran to buy nuclear fuel would fit the big powers' aims.

Western diplomats said the IAEA plan, which has also not been made public, would require Tehran to send 1.2 tonnes of its known 1.5-tonne stockpile of low-enriched uranium (LEU) to Russia and France by the end of the year.

There it would be further enriched, in a way that would make it hard to use for warheads, and returned to Iran for use in a Tehran reactor that makes radioactive medical isotopes.

The deal would test Iran's stated intention to use enriched uranium only for peaceful energy.

It would also buy time for broader talks on world powers' ultimate goal: that Iran allay fears that it has a secret nuclear weapons programme by curbing enrichment, in return for trade and technology benefits.

Diplomats said the United States and France had confirmed their acceptance of the IAEA draft accord in notes sent to the IAEA, the UN nuclear watchdog, and Russia said on Friday it was also on board.

IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei hammered out the draft in three days of consultations in Vienna with the four nations' delegations, and gave them until Friday to get approval from their capitals.

The deal would cut Iran's LEU stockpile below the threshold that could yield enough fissile material for one nuclear weapon if it were refined to 90 percent purity.

For Iran, it would supply a medical reactor whose fuel stocks will run out in about a year.

After further processing the LEU, Russia, subcontracting with France to skirt Tehran's objections to dealing directly with Paris, would send the material on to the French, who would convert it into special fuel plates.

Iran's envoy hinted after the Vienna talks ended that his government might seek amendments to the plan.

The Islamic Republic says its nuclear energy programme is only for producing electricity, but it is years away from having any nuclear power plants that would use LEU.

Shortly before the remarks carried by Iranian state television, a senior developing nation diplomat with good contacts to the Iranians told Reuters:

"They will not want to lose much of their main bargaining chip, with negotiations pending on broader strategic issues in the nuclear file."

Iran has repeatedly rejected UN and IAEA calls on it to curb enrichment or grant unfettered UN inspections, meant to verify that it is not trying to develop nuclear weapons.

Six world powers will press Iran on those points at further talks at senior foreign ministry level, planned for Geneva.

Mr Kouchner added: "If these indications remain negative and there is no consensus on the expert level ... this will reflect negatively on the continuation of the political contacts at the level of the 5+1 meeting in Geneva."

mlyonsd
10-23-2009, 12:44 PM
Ok Barack, you had your chance to talk to them. Now what?

Rooster
10-23-2009, 01:04 PM
:doh!::doh!:

TFG
10-23-2009, 01:09 PM
Words. Noises. Iran. Nukes. Noises. Iran. Nukes. Noises.

YAWN.


Iran keeps telling us they will wipe Israel off the map.


Well, we're waiting...



Then again, the only reason why Ahmadinejad is President of Iran and not Rafsanjani is because of W. And every time we get another one of these "drive by" whack jabs at Obama, those who post them who never complained about W look pretty pathetic and very very un-American...

HonestChieffan
10-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Words. Noises. Iran. Nukes. Noises. Iran. Nukes. Noises.

YAWN.


Iran keeps telling us they will wipe Israel off the map.


Well, we're waiting...



Then again, the only reason why Ahmadinejad is President of Iran and not Rafsanjani is because of W. And every time we get another one of these "drive by" whack jabs at Obama, those who post them who never complained about W look pretty pathetic and very very un-American...


Maybe we dont see through the same prism that you do.

TFG
10-23-2009, 01:15 PM
Maybe we dont see through the same prism that you do.



If you are attempting to say that Ahmadinejad is not the 100% fault of W, let us hear it. How did Ahmadinejad win Iran's Presidential election in 2005?


As for the nuke program there, it has been ongoing for decades. The problem isn't the nuke program we cannot stop. The problem is the radicalization of the 2005 election caused by two specific things

1. W calling Iran "evil"
2. Iranians watching on TV as Iraqi Sunnis blew up Iraqi Shia mosques


None of that happens if someone plugs W in the 2000 primary. Go back in time, W is one of the 10 best targets to whack, right up there with Adolph, Mao, and Stalin. Iran is 100% the fault of W and nobody but W. That Ahmadinejad stole the 2009 election is only because he was in power to put his radical followers in positions of power to do that. Ahmadinejad is the problem with Iran. If you don't understand that, you should shut the fukk up and get a clue about Iran for the first time in your FIXED PARROT life...

HonestChieffan
10-23-2009, 01:33 PM
No, Im not attempting to say that.

What I should have said, not all of us have escaped the Mothership as long as you have. I would love to stay but its my turn to take roadkill to Bigfoot. I cannot be followed.

BigRedChief
10-23-2009, 01:45 PM
you guys are just nuts. The first negative Obama article appears on some blog or slanted site you post it here as fact. Iran hasn't said for sure anything yet
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/10/23/iran.nuclear.offer/index.html

And even if they do, Obama gave "talking" to the Iranians till the end of the year to work, after that, no more talking.

And what would you do? Are you ready to go to war? Start a 3rd war? Maybe we should let the Iranians themselfs throw the mullahs out and let the Israeli's bomb their neuclear facilities to buy more time for their own citizens to overthrow the mullahs.

War is a last resort.

mlyonsd
10-23-2009, 02:46 PM
And even if they do, Obama gave "talking" to the Iranians till the end of the year to work, after that, no more talking.

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I'll remember you said that. :hmmm:

Taco John
10-23-2009, 03:09 PM
I love how Iran flaunts their soverignity to the UN.

"Nah, we're going to do it our own way, thanks!"

Radar Chief
10-23-2009, 03:20 PM
How did Ahmadinejad win Iran's Presidential election in 2005?

The same way he did in ’09. The position was handed to him and the votes were fixed around that end result to give the appearance of an election.

Iran is 100% the fault of W and nobody but W.

ROFL Drop the crack pipe, kid, you've got your whole life ahead of you.

petegz28
10-23-2009, 04:43 PM
you guys are just nuts. The first negative Obama article appears on some blog or slanted site you post it here as fact. Iran hasn't said for sure anything yet
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/10/23/iran.nuclear.offer/index.html

And even if they do, Obama gave "talking" to the Iranians till the end of the year to work, after that, no more talking.

And what would you do? Are you ready to go to war? Start a 3rd war? Maybe we should let the Iranians themselfs throw the mullahs out and let the Israeli's bomb their neuclear facilities to buy more time for their own citizens to overthrow the mullahs.

War is a last resort.

"After that.."? Then what? WTF is Obama going to do? Nothing. Not jack shit. He will blame it on Bush and pretend some other stuff and move on and ignore it.

The minute someone doesn't bow to Obama he gets all flustrated and doesn't know what to do, because he is all talk.

TFG
10-23-2009, 05:45 PM
"The same way he did in ’09. The position was handed to him and the votes were fixed around that end result to give the appearance of an election."


BULLSHIT. That is the Zionist spin. If it were true, Rafsanjani would never have won, yet he did, three times in a row. There were no complaints that the 2005 election was unfair. The same people who though the 2005 election was fair thought the 2009 election was stolen, because that is what happened. Radical religious kooks in action, in Iran, Israel, and the US (Islam, Judaism, and "Christianity").


Face it, you don't know anything about Iran, except the lies about Iran you PARROT from FIXED. You had no idea who The Northern Alliance was until I pointed them out here, because FIXED censors anything that might suggest Iran is not a country the US should invade and occupy. First Iraq, then Iran, good little US servants...

TFG
10-23-2009, 05:46 PM
"And what would you do? Are you ready to go to war? Start a 3rd war? Maybe we should let the Iranians themselfs throw the mullahs out and let the Israeli's bomb their neuclear facilities to buy more time for their own citizens to overthrow the mullahs."


When FIXED pushes for war, these idiots who have zero understanding of the issues involved, and how many lies they've been told, are all for it.

vailpass
10-23-2009, 05:47 PM
Throw the Jew down the well......

TFG
10-23-2009, 05:48 PM
Throw the Jew down the well......



Card tossing is the last resort of cowards too stupid to debate...

alanm
10-23-2009, 08:53 PM
No, Im not attempting to say that.

What I should have said, not all of us have escaped the Mothership as long as you have. I would love to stay but its my turn to take roadkill to Bigfoot. I cannot be followed.ROFLROFL