Is MSNBC "The Place For Politics?" The Poll

[Mr. Kotter]

From a partisan network, FOX. But, I don't think anyone thinks FOX is fair and balanced. Thats the point. There is no place for politics anymore. Not FOX, Not MSNBC, Not Stewart. Not O'Reilly. No one.

This is very John Stewartish-Bill O'Reilly-ish, cutting and cherry picking from shows but still......
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MSNBC has a strongly left-leaning/moonbat bias and slant to their "politics." Just don't call it "the place for politics." Call it the "place for moonbat-socialist-sucking-Obamas-schlong politics" if you wish, but just not THE place for politics....

[dirk digler]

Is this a trick question?

I have to think about this a second since your question is asking if MSNBC discusses politics. They do discuss politics.

This is definitely a trick question.

[Mr. Kotter]

Is this a trick question?

I have to think about this a second since your question is asking if MSNBC discusses politics. They do discuss politics.

This is definitely a trick question.

Politics...infers multiple perspectives, not one perspective.

Not ONLY the "moonbat-socialist-sucking-Obamas-schlong politics" of the left...

Without some attempt at objectivity, I refuse to acknowledge it as real "politics"....so, no, you are wrong.

:)

[BigRedChief]

Repost!

BTW, I voted "Yes" to tick people off. I'm under no illusions that MSNBC is fair and balanced or don't slant their news. They are no different than Fox News. Just for the left.

[dirk digler]

Politics...infers multiple perspectives, not one perspective.

Not ONLY the "moonbat-socialist-sucking-Obamas-schlong politics" of the left...

Without some attempt at objectivity, I refuse to acknowledge it as real "politics"....so, no, you are wrong.

:)

So you were trying to trick us because you left out the word objective.

You need to enroll in the Rain Man School of Polls. :D

[Mr. Kotter]

Repost!

BTW, I voted "Yes" to tick people off. I'm under no illusions that MSNBC is fair and balanced or don't slant their news. They are no different than Fox News. Just for the left.

Which is why your poll was deserving of parody and derision....

:D

[Direckshun]

I don't know of any liberals that defend MSNBC's slant. I don't. Has there been anybody here in this forum do that?

Because we all know conservatives do it in droves for Fox News.

[petegz28]

I don't know of any liberals that defend MSNBC's slant. I don't. Has there been anybody here in this forum do that?

Because we all know conservatives do it in droves for Fox News.

LMAO....The Administration you worship does.

[KCTitus]

So the right has one - FOX
and the left has how many? - ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, - WHO ELSE???


Include in the left some of the following:

NY Times, Washington Post, Associated Press, Reuters, LA Times, Boston Herald, New Yorker, NewsWeek, Politico, Salon, San Francisco Chronicle, Time, Wall Street Journal (except for the editorial page)...just to name a few. Of Course, the Key News who employs one John Guerra who believes that all conservatives are 'mentally ill'.

For the Right:

Washington Times, NY Post, WSJ Editorial page

Personally, the wire services do more damage than anything else.

[Pioli Zombie]

They are all treasous Zionists who should be executed.
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[Jenson71]

Wall Street Journal (except for the editorial page)

What makes the Wall Street Journal left, except for the editorial page?

[patteeu]

I voted "No" only because it's such a minor player that it isn't really the place for much of anything.

[Mr. Kotter]

I voted "No" only because it's such a minor player that it isn't really the place for much of anything.

Minor? Yeah, that's an understatement.

As big a "joke" as many on the left consider FOX to be, MSNBC is even more of a "joke."

[NewPhin]

MSNBC is the Fox of the Left. Nothing more.

[HonestChieffan]

MSNBC is the Fox of the Left. Nothing more.

with 800,000 viewers compared to Fox at 2.5 mil and growing.....

[Direckshun]

with 800,000 viewers compared to Fox at 2.5 mil and growing.....

Because liberals largely don't enjoy that kind of programming.

Which is why liberal talk radio doesn't make money, but conservative talk radio does.

Why is that, HCF.

[blaise]

Because liberals largely don't enjoy that kind of programming.

Which is why liberal talk radio doesn't make money, but conservative talk radio does.

Why is that, HCF.

Maybe liberals are too busy listening to Britney Spears and Hannah Montana.

[Direckshun]

Maybe liberals are too busy listening to Britney Spears and Hannah Montana.

Powerful counterpoint.

[blaise]

Powerful counterpoint.

Yes your vague argument based on nothing but some opinion you came up deserved a detailed analysis.

[SHTSPRAYER]

http://www.moonbattery.com/acorn-obama.jpg

[Direckshun]

Yes your vague argument based on nothing but some opinion you came up deserved a detailed analysis.

It's based on fact.

Conservative radio makes a killing. Fox News makes a killing.

Yet their counterparts on the liberal side either go out of business or struggle.

[blaise]

It's based on fact.

Conservative radio makes a killing. Fox News makes a killing.

Yet their counterparts on the liberal side either go out of business or struggle.

Your assertion that liberal talk radio doesn't make money because liberals generally don't like that sort of programming isn't based on any fact. In fact, I doubt you know how many liberals listen to Limbaugh or Hannity or any other conservative radio show. You don't know if a better liberal radio show with better hosts would garner a larger audience among liberals than any have so far.
You say liberals don't like political radio. I guess you're they're spokesperson. If they're not listening to that, like you say, they're listening to something else. I offered that maybe they're listening to Hannah Montana. Maybe you said "powerful counterpoint" because you realize many of your like minded counterparts enjoy Hannah Montana music. I don't know. It's okay though if you're a fan, too. It's a free country and you just go right on listening to it.
Okay sport?
All apologies to banyon for the nature of my mean spirited language. I hope he's ok.

[RaiderH8r]

It's based on fact.

Conservative radio makes a killing. Fox News makes a killing.

Yet their counterparts on the liberal side either go out of business or struggle.

Quite simply the left fails because in the marketplace of ideas their product is bereft of value. :D

[BucEyedPea]

I picked other because I don't get it since I switched my cable service 5 years ago.

[Calcountry]

http://www.moonbattery.com/acorn-obama.jpgROFLMFAO

[Calcountry]

It's based on fact.

Conservative radio makes a killing. Fox News makes a killing.

Yet their counterparts on the liberal side either go out of business or struggle.That's because they need the government to help them make a profit.

[BucEyedPea]

That's because they need the government to help them make a profit.

LMAO:thumb:

[BucEyedPea]

MFAO???????????????

I don't think there is a code for that one.

Muther F'king A-hole?

(I really don't talk like that.....well nearly don't ....unless it was one of banyon's attacks in the past.)

[Direckshun]

Your assertion that liberal talk radio doesn't make money because liberals generally don't like that sort of programming isn't based on any fact. In fact, I doubt you know how many liberals listen to Limbaugh or Hannity or any other conservative radio show. You don't know if a better liberal radio show with better hosts would garner a larger audience among liberals than any have so far.

You say liberals don't like political radio. I guess you're they're spokesperson. If they're not listening to that, like you say, they're listening to something else.

I know about as much about conservative talk radio as anybody on this board. I listen to it constantly. A huge audience of liberals listen into it, but let's not make mistakes here: they are not the reason Sean Hannity just signed a $100 million radio deal a year ago. The conservatives who listen in, buy from the advertisers, and tune into Hannity's shows slay the number of liberals that listen -- and rightly so. The entire show is outfitted for them.

What I did not say is that liberals don't like political radio. Liberals love political radio, NPR's listenership is largely liberal. They don't like didactic radio that is poisonously partisan for their point of view. And I don't have to be the spokesperson for all liberals to know that; I just look at liberal talk radio, which has almost entirely been brow-beaten onto satellite radio, and still doesn't do very well.

I listen to it regularly; it's the same thing as conservative talk radio. It's just as poisonous, and one-sided, and unfair, and friendly to outright lies, as conservative radio is. It's the same thing, and some of them are insanely entertaining. The difference is, the audience isn't there.

MSNBC struggles. Fox does extremely well. But they are the same product. It's the ideologies that are fundamentally different, and one ideology slurps this shit up, the other doesn't.

[patteeu]

I know about as much about conservative talk radio as anybody on this board. I listen to it constantly. A huge audience of liberals listen into it, but let's not make mistakes here: they are not the reason Sean Hannity just signed a $100 million radio deal a year ago. The conservatives who listen in, buy from the advertisers, and tune into Hannity's shows slay the number of liberals that listen -- and rightly so. The entire show is outfitted for them.

What I did not say is that liberals don't like political radio. Liberals love political radio, NPR's listenership is largely liberal. They don't like didactic radio that is poisonously partisan for their point of view. And I don't have to be the spokesperson for all liberals to know that; I just look at liberal talk radio, which has almost entirely been brow-beaten onto satellite radio, and still doesn't do very well.

I listen to it regularly; it's the same thing as conservative talk radio. It's just as poisonous, and one-sided, and unfair, and friendly to outright lies, as conservative radio is. It's the same thing, and some of them are insanely entertaining. The difference is, the audience isn't there.

MSNBC struggles. Fox does extremely well. But they are the same product. It's the ideologies that are fundamentally different, and one ideology slurps this shit up, the other doesn't.

Juan Williams said that about 1/3 of the people who watch FoxNews describe themselves as left of center, fwiw.

[scott free]

No, its not.

[Direckshun]

Juan Williams said that about 1/3 of the people who watch FoxNews describe themselves as left of center, fwiw.

Holy conflict of interest, Batman! You might as well be quoting Alan Colmes.

[patteeu]

Holy conflict of interest, Batman! You might as well be quoting Alan Colmes.

Why would Juan Williams have a conflict of interest with respect to this demographic statistic? What's it to him whether the fraction is 1/3 or 2/3 or 1/100? He gets paid the same whatever the number is. And besides, assuming there are people out there who know something about Fox's audience demographics, he stands to lose credibility if he just makes up a number. So anyway, what is this conflict of interest that you had in mind?

[scott free]

Sometimes if you don't quote the message is skewed and attached to a different post.

True, nothing meant to your post above.

My bad.

[Direckshun]

Why would Juan Williams have a conflict of interest with respect to this demographic statistic? What's it to him whether the fraction is 1/3 or 2/3 or 1/100? He gets paid the same whatever the number is. And besides, assuming there are people out there who know something about Fox's audience demographics, he stands to lose credibility if he just makes up a number. So anyway, what is this conflict of interest that you had in mind?

Having a mixed audience is better than having an audience all from the same viewpoint.

Fox News pays Williams very, very well.

Therefore, he will say good things about Fox.

Such as, they have a mixed audience.

Conflict of Interest 101.

[patteeu]

Having a mixed audience is better than having an audience all from the same viewpoint.

Fox News pays Williams very, very well.

Therefore, he will say good things about Fox.

Such as, they have a mixed audience.

Conflict of Interest 101.

Sorry, that doesn't wash, IMO. Too many people would be in a position to know whether Williams was being truthful about that or not. He's not going to shill for some questionable benefit at the expense of his own personal credibility.

[Direckshun]

He's not going to shill for some questionable benefit at the expense of his own personal credibility.

Yeah, because people pulling in huge checks never do that.

[dirk digler]

Juan Williams said that about 1/3 of the people who watch FoxNews describe themselves as left of center, fwiw.

He is citing old old numbers. That is no longer the case.

[alanm]

It's based on fact.

Conservative radio makes a killing. Fox News makes a killing.

Yet their counterparts on the liberal side either go out of business or struggle.Liberals have no sense of humor.

[Direckshun]

Sweeping generalizations are sensible.

k

[MadMax]

Having a mixed audience is better than having an audience all from the same viewpoint.

Fox News pays Williams very, very well.

Therefore, he will say good things about Fox.

Such as, they have a mixed audience.

Conflict of Interest 101.


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GODFUCKINDAMN!!!!! You people on here are so fucking anal and retarded

[patteeu]

Yeah, because people pulling in huge checks never do that.

People pulling in huge checks might be willing to shill for a cause, but you haven't shown me any decent motivation.

[patteeu]

He is citing old old numbers. That is no longer the case.

Link?

[dirk digler]

Link?

From Pew Sept 13, 2009

http://people-press.org/report/543/

Four-in-ten (40%) Americans cite a major cable news outlet (CNN, Fox News and MSNBC) as their main source for news about national and international affairs. As in the past, comparable percentages say they rely on CNN (22%) and Fox News (19%) while fewer (6%) say they get most of their news from MSNBC.

There has been a gradual widening in the partisan differences in the viewership of both Fox News and CNN in recent years. More than three times as many Republicans (34%) as Democrats (10%) say they get most of their national and international news from Fox. By comparison, Democrats are more than twice as likely than Republicans to cite CNN (29% vs. 13%). A similar pattern is evident for MSNBC, with more Democrats (9%) than Republicans (3%) citing it as a main news source.

[patteeu]

From Pew Sept 13, 2009

http://people-press.org/report/543/

Four-in-ten (40%) Americans cite a major cable news outlet (CNN, Fox News and MSNBC) as their main source for news about national and international affairs. As in the past, comparable percentages say they rely on CNN (22%) and Fox News (19%) while fewer (6%) say they get most of their news from MSNBC.

There has been a gradual widening in the partisan differences in the viewership of both Fox News and CNN in recent years. More than three times as many Republicans (34%) as Democrats (10%) say they get most of their national and international news from Fox. By comparison, Democrats are more than twice as likely than Republicans to cite CNN (29% vs. 13%). A similar pattern is evident for MSNBC, with more Democrats (9%) than Republicans (3%) citing it as a main news source.

So 23% of Fox viewers are democrat based on those numbers. That's still pretty substantial. And of course, we don't know what the breakdown of the independents (56%) are in terms of whether they would describe themselves left or right of center. It's very possible that Williams is right when he says 1/3 (it would take 40% of independents describing themselves as left of center to make him right). We just don't have enough information here to know one way or the other.

[dirk digler]

So 23% of Fox viewers are democrat based on those numbers. That's still pretty substantial.

Umm no 10%

[patteeu]

Umm no 10%

You're right. I said that wrong. 23% of the people who are either Republican or democrat and who watch Fox are democrats.

[dirk digler]

You're right. I said that wrong. 23% of the people who are either Republican or democrat and who watch Fox are democrats.

I still don't know where you are getting 23%.

More than three times as many Republicans (34%) as Democrats (10%) say they get most of their national and international news from Fox

[BucEyedPea]

Having a mixed audience is better than having an audience all from the same viewpoint.
That's a matter of opinion and one's choice. If any vendor wants to cater to a niche market then that's their right in a FREE country. Some would rather have a mixed audience.

[patteeu]

I still don't know where you are getting 23%.

44% of the viewers are either Republican or democrat (34% Republican + 10% democrat)

10% of the viewers are democrat

10 divided by 44 = 23% of people who are either Republican or democrat are democrat.

[dirk digler]

44% of the viewers are either Republican or democrat (34% Republican + 10% democrat)

10% of the viewers are democrat

10 divided by 44 = 23% of people who are either Republican or democrat are democrat.

LMAO Nice try.

[mlyonsd]

I don't know what the argument over Fox viewership is about.

It's evident every democrat that frequents this board watches it because they all know how unfair and unbalanced it is.

Add those numbers up and I'd say at least half Fox's viewers must be democrats.

[patteeu]

LMAO Nice try.

What do you mean, nice try? It's right.

By trying to insist on the 10% number, you're completely ignoring the 56% of the viewership that doesn't belong to a party. My 23% is what the ratio would be if the independents break down along the same ratios as the party members in terms of left or right.

[patteeu]

I don't know what the argument over Fox viewership is about.

It's evident every democrat that frequents this board watches it because they all know how unfair and unbalanced it is.

Add those numbers up and I'd say at least half Fox's viewers must be democrats.

LMAO Yeah, I know that most of them watch it more than I do. In fact, I probably get most of my Fox News from the clips that these guys post here.

[blaise]

I know about as much about conservative talk radio as anybody on this board. I listen to it constantly. A huge audience of liberals listen into it, but let's not make mistakes here: they are not the reason Sean Hannity just signed a $100 million radio deal a year ago. The conservatives who listen in, buy from the advertisers, and tune into Hannity's shows slay the number of liberals that listen -- and rightly so. The entire show is outfitted for them.

What I did not say is that liberals don't like political radio. Liberals love political radio, NPR's listenership is largely liberal. They don't like didactic radio that is poisonously partisan for their point of view. And I don't have to be the spokesperson for all liberals to know that; I just look at liberal talk radio, which has almost entirely been brow-beaten onto satellite radio, and still doesn't do very well.

I listen to it regularly; it's the same thing as conservative talk radio. It's just as poisonous, and one-sided, and unfair, and friendly to outright lies, as conservative radio is. It's the same thing, and some of them are insanely entertaining. The difference is, the audience isn't there.

MSNBC struggles. Fox does extremely well. But they are the same product. It's the ideologies that are fundamentally different, and one ideology slurps this shit up, the other doesn't.


You're statement that the quality product is the same is subjective. Either way, my previous statement that maybe liberals are busy listening to Hannah Montana or Britney Spears stands. If liberals that listen to radio aren't listening to political radio, they're listening to something else, which would be FM radio, which I would say somehow manages to be even more inane and stupid than political radio.

[dirk digler]

What do you mean, nice try? It's right.

By trying to insist on the 10% number, you're completely ignoring the 56% of the viewership that doesn't belong to a party. My 23% is what the ratio would be if the independents break down along the same ratios as the party members in terms of left or right.

I understand what you are trying to do. You are trying to say that if these independents magically become registered Dems this is what the number would be.

But right now 10% of self-identified Dems watch Fox.

[patteeu]

I understand what you are trying to do. You are trying to say that if these independents magically become registered Dems this is what the number would be.

But right now 10% of self-identified Dems watch Fox.

The question wasn't about how many democrats watch Fox, it was about how many people who describe themselves as left of center watch Fox. The dem/Repub breakdown only tells 44% of the story. Watch this...

Juan Williams must have understated the case of left wing viewership because only 34% of Fox viewers are Republicans.

[CoMoChief]

Per Bill O'Reilly last night,

"Fox News is the most powerful news network in the country....therefore in the world."

[Calcountry]

Muther F'king A-hole?

(I really don't talk like that.....well nearly don't ....unless it was one of banyon's attacks in the past.)laughing my freaking ass off.


Or, if you are a Battlestar Galactica fan, Fracking ass off.

[Calcountry]

Per Bill O'Reilly last night,

"Fox News is the most powerful news network in the country....therefore in the world."Look, Obama is as stupid as he is narcissistic. When he attacked Limbaugh, he drove his ratings, and his stature as a political commentator through the roof.

When Obama attacked Fox news, he drove their ratings up, and made them the network of "loyal opposition", which we have always had in this country. It is un AMERICAN to not have dissent and opposition. But then, we should appologise for being American to the rest of the world now.

[Calcountry]

My country is of me, sweet land of my nobility, of thee (I) sing, . I am so sorry for, winning those 2 world wars, for pro o vi i ding, the blessings of liberty, let appologies ring. So take the health care in dus try, and make it sub jec to me, and I will bring to thee, bless ed so cial ism.