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chiefscafan
10-24-2009, 05:04 PM
Did u see him today 2 blocked kicks and totally dominant

keg in kc
10-24-2009, 05:05 PM
This should be good.

Reerun_KC
10-24-2009, 05:06 PM
Did u see him today 2 blocked kicks and totally dominant

Another DL?

how many DL are you going to draft in the first round?

Silock
10-24-2009, 05:08 PM
Another DL?

how many DL are you going to draft in the first round?

AS MANY AS IT TAKES, GODDAMMIT! I'M FOTHERMUCKING SCOTT PIOLI!

Von Dumbass
10-24-2009, 05:08 PM
Haley will have fun whipping his lard ass into shape. http://i33.tinypic.com/vfz8eb.gif
ROFL

Tribal Warfare
10-24-2009, 05:09 PM
Another DL?

how many DL are you going to draft in the first round?

positional value for the 3-4 will make Cody a primary target for the Chiefs selection.

carlos3652
10-24-2009, 05:10 PM
:popcorn:

Pioli Zombie
10-24-2009, 05:10 PM
No no no. If there is a 22 year old qb with overhyped talent we have to draft him cuz he's 22 and when are the Chiefs ever going to take a chance on a 22 year old qb with overhyped talent?
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dirk digler
10-24-2009, 05:12 PM
Interesting I was going to say to the same thing....except replace Cody with Berry.

okiedokieokoye
10-24-2009, 05:16 PM
Didn't we just trade Cody away to Carolina for a 5th round pick?

Reerun_KC
10-24-2009, 05:17 PM
Haley will have fun whipping his lard ass into shape. http://i33.tinypic.com/vfz8eb.gif
ROFL

Now that would be gif worthy....

That fat fucker will die at camp Haley...

Reerun_KC
10-24-2009, 05:19 PM
positional value for the 3-4 will make Cody a primary target for the Chiefs selection.


Fair enough, I would prefer a play maker on Defense...

kstater
10-24-2009, 05:20 PM
I have huge concerns about drafting a guy that let himself get to well over 400 lbs in the top 5. While it's good that he's got his weight back down now, it just screams lack of discipline.

carlos3652
10-24-2009, 05:20 PM
he was 400+ lbs.... that dude was/is huge

carlos3652
10-24-2009, 05:20 PM
I can see us taking a NT with 2a.

Lonewolf Ed
10-24-2009, 05:24 PM
he was 400+ lbs.... that dude was/is huge

And if he came here, with the sweet barbecue sauce we have in this town... not good, man, not good.

Lonewolf Ed
10-24-2009, 05:25 PM
And if he came here, with the sweet barbecue sauce we have in this town... not good, man, not good.

Well, I finally got back on after Sunday's database crash, and it shows I have zero posts. I guess it's better than being lost all together... :(

Count Zarth
10-24-2009, 05:25 PM
A no brainer, you say?

You don't fucking say, huh?

Captain Obvious
10-24-2009, 05:26 PM
Our first pick in the 2nd round, maybe.

GoTrav
10-24-2009, 05:30 PM
he was 400+ lbs.... that dude was/is huge

ya, definitely someone that needs 60 mil in the bank. He'll eat his way out of the league by training camp.

Count Zarth
10-24-2009, 05:36 PM
Haley would make this guy weep. Look at the goo hanging off him.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/885/F422039.jpg

SNR
10-24-2009, 05:47 PM
Haley wouldn't draft this hunk of lard in the 5th round, let alone the 1st.

A guy that lets his weight go like that and possibly has questions about his workout discipline is the total opposite of the Patriot Way.

Yes, I mean "the Patriot Way" in jest, but I'm also serious. Pioli/Haley are committed to that way from what I've seen, and there's no way Belichick would draft Cody. Ergo, Cody won't be a Chief.

Direckshun
10-24-2009, 09:00 PM
I'd rather have Boo Robinson if he survives to our first pick in the 2nd.

HolmeZz
10-24-2009, 09:10 PM
I'd rather have Boo Robinson if he survives to our first pick in the 2nd.

Worried about him going into cardiac arrest within the first 32 picks?

Delano
10-24-2009, 09:10 PM
Best titties at the combine

2010 T. Cody
2009 A. Smith

Manila-Chief
10-24-2009, 09:31 PM
Haley will have fun whipping his lard ass into shape. http://i33.tinypic.com/vfz8eb.gif
ROFL

Now that would be gif worthy....

That fat fucker will die at camp Haley...

Haley would make this guy weep. Look at the goo hanging off him.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/885/F422039.jpg

I'm not up on who should be drafted when, but like the guys above, as I watched him make plays and heard about the 400 lbs ... I laughed at what Haley would do with him. I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty.

Again, I'm not sure where he should or should not be drafted, but IMHO he is the reason Bama won today. Not only the 2 blocked field goals but his blowing up the pocket. I'd love to have a NT play like that for us. I know he was not playing against NFL talent. I'll trust Pioli and our scouts to make that decision.

On another note: I'll have to eat my words regarding Lane Kiffin (sp?). I know he is using the former coaches talent, but Tenn. looks like they are a developing team. Narrow losses to Fla. and Bama is impressive. Bama couldn't move the ball today.

ChiefsCountry
10-24-2009, 09:36 PM
Yeah he will be our pick more than likely. Saban, Pioli, Bellichick all are connected as well and you know Pioli inbreds our roster more than Arkansas hillbillies.

BigMeatballDave
10-24-2009, 09:43 PM
No brainer is right. You definately were not using your brain when you made this thread...

Mecca
10-24-2009, 09:44 PM
If you guys haven't noticed, Vince Wilfork is every bit as fat...I'm not a fan of taking a big fat guy in a year of elite talent but I fully expect it.

Coogs
10-24-2009, 09:46 PM
If you guys haven't noticed, Vince Wilfork is every bit as fat...I'm not a fan of taking a big fat guy in a year of elite talent but I fully expect it.

This

O.city
10-24-2009, 10:31 PM
Isn't Wilfork a FA next offseason? Thought I heard that somewhere and if it is true maybe we go Berry/Mays with that first and pick up Wilfork or another NT in FA.

Cody looked good today but he actually could have cost Bama that win....

You guys see him take his helmet off when the play was still alive?

SEC officials again...LOL

TrickyNicky
10-24-2009, 10:36 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2448bvq.jpg

DenverChief
10-24-2009, 10:43 PM
http://i33.tinypic.com/vfz8eb.gif

:LOL: whats the stroy behind this GIF? Who was he WTFing?

Tribal Warfare
10-24-2009, 10:44 PM
Isn't Wilfork a FA next offseason?

and you better believe that NE will franchise him too.

Tribal Warfare
10-24-2009, 10:45 PM
:LOL: whats the stroy behind this GIF? Who was he WTFing?

O'Connell missed a block.

Stinger
10-24-2009, 10:48 PM
:LOL: whats the stroy behind this GIF? Who was he WTFing?

1st game of the season ..... Brodie Croyle ???

Toad
10-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Isn't Wilfork a FA next offseason? Thought I heard that somewhere and if it is true maybe we go Berry/Mays with that first and pick up Wilfork or another NT in FA.

A good class of FA this upcoming off season with Wilfork, C Hampton and 2nd tier guy like Picket from GB.

Buehler445
10-24-2009, 11:10 PM
I have huge concerns about drafting a guy that let himself get to well over 400 lbs in the top 5. While it's good that he's got his weight back down now, it just screams lack of discipline.

This. What's he gonna do with a payday?

Saccopoo
10-24-2009, 11:14 PM
I'm not up on who should be drafted when, but like the guys above, as I watched him make plays and heard about the 400 lbs ... I laughed at what Haley would do with him. I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty.

Again, I'm not sure where he should or should not be drafted, but IMHO he is the reason Bama won today. Not only the 2 blocked field goals but his blowing up the pocket. I'd love to have a NT play like that for us. I know he was not playing against NFL talent. I'll trust Pioli and our scouts to make that decision.

On another note: I'll have to eat my words regarding Lane Kiffin (sp?). I know he is using the former coaches talent, but Tenn. looks like they are a developing team. Narrow losses to Fla. and Bama is impressive. Bama couldn't move the ball today.

Thanks to Daddy.

SNR
10-24-2009, 11:31 PM
I'd rather have Boo Robinson if he survives to our first pick in the 2nd.Great character guy. I loved it when he carried Jem home after he broke his arm

salame
10-25-2009, 12:36 AM
I think it's a real possibility Cody lasts until the second round
BUT
I think we pick him in the first

Rausch
10-25-2009, 12:56 AM
Pioli draft days, in general, are ****ing boring.

I'm use to it though.

Carl: Watch this $#it....watch...shhhhhhh....watch...he'll break something. Honestly, just watch...he'll grab something and...oh, here's the pick...(laughter)...oh.
Oh, he thinks it might happen...just watch....aaaaaaaaaaand."

NFL COMMISH: With the X pick in the X round the Kansas City Chiefs select Bastardo Retardo out of Southwest Alaska State Tech.

Rausch: What...the...****.

Carl: hahahahhhaaahahahha.

Merril Hodge: Wow. I didn't have him on my top 200.

Rausch: WHAT THE ****1?!?

Mel Kiper: Why? Why that pick here? They could have taken him in round 4.

Rausch: WHAT THE **** GOES ON IN THE MIND OF THIS SHITBAG TEAM!?!?!

Carl: Oh man, ha! Thanks. Wheeeeeeeeew. I needed that.
Still feels good.

Rausch WHAT THE MOTHER****!!!!!!!!! (Rausch smashes glass bowl with river rock, plant, and beta fish against the wall.)

Pioli: Yeah, kinda' does feel good....

Fairplay
10-25-2009, 01:05 AM
Rausch what does the type on the girls face say in your avatar?

Rausch
10-25-2009, 01:08 AM
Rausch what does the type on the girls face say in your avatar?

The girl's face?...

Fairplay
10-25-2009, 01:14 AM
The girl's face?...



Her face has a grey space and it looks like there is type in it.

It is really small.....

Its in your avatar.

Rausch
10-25-2009, 01:21 AM
Her face has a grey space and it looks like there is type in it.

It is really small.....

Its in your avatar.

No kidding?

Holy $#it! Fuck me!

She does have a face!:eek:

KCChiefsMan
10-25-2009, 03:34 AM
I want Mays or Berry damnit!

BossChief
10-25-2009, 04:07 AM
I gotta admit, it would sure be nice come playoff time in a couple years, to have a massive run stuffing beast at NT.

Infidel Goat
10-25-2009, 06:16 AM
Rausch what does the type on the girls face say in your avatar?

"Your face here."

chiefzilla1501
10-25-2009, 07:49 AM
I'm surprised there's so much negativity about Pioli's ability to scout. I'm not going to blindly trust his ability to bring in personnel, but the one thing the guy's good at drafting defensive players.

The only major reach Pioli has ever made in his career is drafting Tyson Jackson with #3, and I would still argue to this day that given the strength of the draft class, it wasn't that big.

In other words, I can understand concern that Pioli will take Cody. But the fact that some people are absolutely convinced that Pioli will fuck up the first pick is weird to me.

DeezNutz
10-25-2009, 08:22 AM
I'm surprised there's so much negativity about Pioli's ability to scout. I'm not going to blindly trust his ability to bring in personnel, but the one thing the guy's good at drafting defensive players.

The only major reach Pioli has ever made in his career is drafting Tyson Jackson with #3, and I would still argue to this day that given the strength of the draft class, it wasn't that big.

In other words, I can understand concern that Pioli will take Cody. But the fact that some people are absolutely convinced that Pioli will **** up the first pick is weird to me.

Also, disconcertingly enough, the only major decision he's ever made on his own, without the smell of the Hoodie's taint enveloping the office with a hint of confidence and success.

Ebolapox
10-25-2009, 08:48 AM
eh.

Mr. Laz
10-25-2009, 09:19 AM
i wonder how much weight Haley would make him lose?



By the end of camp he would be the size of linebacker.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-25-2009, 09:21 AM
Yeah he will be our pick more than likely. Saban, Pioli, Bellichick all are connected as well and you know Pioli inbreds our roster more than Arkansas hillbillies.

Bingo.

booger
10-25-2009, 09:22 AM
he'd be on IR the first year from the excess skin from the weight loss.

dirk digler
10-25-2009, 10:11 AM
If you guys haven't noticed, Vince Wilfork is every bit as fat...I'm not a fan of taking a big fat guy in a year of elite talent but I fully expect it.

That is not true. Wilfork was 323lbs when he came out and is listed as 325lbs now. Cody is at 370lbs.

salame
10-25-2009, 10:19 AM
That is not true. Wilfork was 323lbs when he came out and is listed as 325lbs now. Cody is at 370lbs.

I'm pretty sure they have him listed light

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Miami+Dolphins+v+New+England+Patriots+jYUDG4ms-ZNm.jpg

alanm
10-25-2009, 10:22 AM
Did u see him today 2 blocked kicks and totally dominantSame could be said of Suh yesterday. He blocked a XP and a FG and had a sack and numerous tkls.
AAAAAAAARGH. that game sucked.:banghead::banghead::cuss: :spock:

Fruit Ninja
10-25-2009, 02:38 PM
Yep, they were really on their toes. They did a damned good job being competitive today.

/sarcasm off

Count Zarth
10-26-2009, 11:47 PM
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx271/ksjdhfskjdhf/Cody_Kills_Kiffin.gif

Dave Lane
10-26-2009, 11:51 PM
I can see us taking a NT with 2a.

If there is a monster NT you take him at #1 if need be.

Direckshun
10-27-2009, 12:22 AM
If there is a monster NT you take him at #1 if need be.

Not with a top 5.

Blick
10-27-2009, 12:27 AM
I don't understand the people who are worried about Cody being 400 pounds or "letting himself go" or whatever. He plays nose tackle. He's not running marathons. Ted Washington and Sam Adams were probably close to 4 bills at one point. In order to be a good nose tackle, you have to be hard as **** to move and disruptive, so in my mind, the bigger the better, especially if they're athletic/explosive on top of that, which Cody is.

Do you want an undersized nose tackle? No, you want a nasty behemoth out there blowing shit up.

I'm not a huge Cody fan either. I like the safeties as well. I just don't think that his weight is a legit concern considering his position and what he'll be asked to do.

veist
10-27-2009, 12:31 AM
Cody weighs like four bills and generally barely plays 2 downs in college. No thanks. Guy has a better shot of eating himself out of the league than being an average player.

BryanBusby
10-27-2009, 12:34 AM
Not with a top 5.

If there was a big impact NT, top 5 is perfectly fine. I don't see a player like Ngata, so no thanks. The Chiefs need an impact player and have terrible safties. Eric Berry should be at the top of the wish list.

Mecca
10-27-2009, 12:46 AM
It's just asking for problems, I don't think you use top 10 picks on 2 down players.

chiefs1111
10-27-2009, 12:54 AM
I would take Dez Bryant before id take Cody. Ill Flip out if we take Cody

SNR
10-27-2009, 12:58 AM
I don't understand how the Chiefs can trot out Mike Brown and John McGraw as their starting safeties, and fans will see this and demand that the Chiefs draft according to their need.

Our safeties are slow pieces of garbage. I would rather have a starting defensive line made up entirely of clones of Nate Hobgood-Chittick than waste another top 5 pick on the defensive line. Yet these fans don't see how GLARING this hole is. It's not just a safety hole. It's a SPEED hole. It's a PLAY-MAKING hole. It's the kind of hole that a fat tub of lard, no matter how talented, can fill.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2009, 01:33 AM
I have no desire to draft that fat tub of shit, and I am highly inclined to believe that we will.

KCChiefsMan
10-27-2009, 01:37 AM
hell no, I'd be pissed off if we drafted another d-lineman in the top 5. We need a stud damnit! Mays, Berry or BPA. I really want one of those badass safeties though.

Saccopoo
10-27-2009, 01:55 AM
If he's Ted Washington, Kris Jenkins, Haloti Ngata, then sure. I just don't know if he's that level of player. The dude is huge and supposedly pretty athletic considering the mass, but his numbers aren't the same as guys like the aforementioned players when they were in college. (Washington had something like 80 tackles, seven sacks his senior year.) If he can keep his head on straight and keep his conditioning up, then he'd probably be worth the pick.

You just never know with a guy like that. I think he has a chance to be a Shaun Rogers type of guy though.

BryanBusby
10-27-2009, 01:56 AM
It's just asking for problems, I don't think you use top 10 picks on 2 down players.

It's not a good idea. I wouldn't use a selection anywhere in the first round on a 2 down player.

He's going to drop harder than Rey Maualuga come draft day.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2009, 02:00 AM
It's not a good idea. I wouldn't use a selection anywhere in the first round on a 2 down player.

He's going to drop harder than Rey Maualuga come draft day.

He won't get past Miami, IMO.

BryanBusby
10-27-2009, 02:02 AM
He won't get past Miami, IMO.

Think they are in more need of Safety help (Bell, Wilson are horrible) and WR (Ted Ginns family!), but Cody might be their best option depending where they land in the draft. It's possible.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2009, 02:03 AM
Parcells loves fat fucks.

BossChief
10-27-2009, 02:21 AM
It's just asking for problems, I don't think you use top 10 picks on 2 down players.

good point.

I also agree that the NFL game is going through a span where the passing game is in vogue and a top playmaking safety is a big asset.

BUT

everyone knows that you build a 3-4 traditional defense with a huge and hopefully athletic NT.

The 400 pounder swears on his bucket of chicken that he can still do a backflip!

tk13
10-27-2009, 02:37 AM
That's the real trick, you can't fill 17 holes in one draft. The safeties at the top of this board will be hard to turn down. And yet if we're going to force feed the 3-4, and we are... you have to have a real NT. It's just not going to work without one. I don't think it's a one or the other thing.

BossChief
10-27-2009, 02:45 AM
That's the real trick, you can't fill 17 holes in one draft. The safeties at the top of this board will be hard to turn down. And yet if we're going to force feed the 3-4, and we are... you have to have a real NT. It's just not going to work without one. I don't think it's a one or the other thing.

I just fear that after Haley is done with him, he would be 290 pounds and getting pushed around, or he gets all that cash and eats so much he cant get out the door to go to practice.

Psyko Tek
10-27-2009, 02:54 AM
no let's get tebow


k
we need an offensive line
if the group we got can't stop any body be end of season spend every pick on oline
and then get a real DC

the d will still suck but maybe our offesne won't be a tragedy
jaebus
how do we suck so bad

gonna take a decade to get this shit right

Mecca
10-27-2009, 03:00 AM
The Chiefs can get offensive linemen without using their first pick on them...

And for anyone that wants a WR, there's no point in that, odds are the Chiefs will pick high in 2011 also and guess what all I have to say is true sophs AJ Green, Julio Jones and Michael Floyd.

chiefzilla1501
10-27-2009, 05:46 AM
good point.

I also agree that the NFL game is going through a span where the passing game is in vogue and a top playmaking safety is a big asset.

BUT

everyone knows that you build a 3-4 traditional defense with a huge and hopefully athletic NT.

The 400 pounder swears on his bucket of chicken that he can still do a backflip!

I'm beginning to think that it's not nearly as important as it's hyped up to be. The Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers are playing outstanding football behind an average nose tackle. Even the Jets are playing good defense without Kris Jenkins.

You need a nose tackle. And it's nice to have a great one. But most defenses can do just fine with a good not great one.

Mecca
10-27-2009, 05:48 AM
Um the Cowboys shouldn't be on that list, Jay Ratliff made a pro bowl.

Manila-Chief
10-27-2009, 07:12 AM
I don't understand how the Chiefs can trot out Mike Brown and John McGraw as their starting safeties, and fans will see this and demand that the Chiefs draft according to their need.

Our safeties are slow pieces of garbage. I would rather have a starting defensive line made up entirely of clones of Nate Hobgood-Chittick than waste another top 5 pick on the defensive line. Yet these fans don't see how GLARING this hole is. It's not just a safety hole. It's a SPEED hole. It's a PLAY-MAKING hole. It's the kind of hole that a fat tub of lard, no matter how talented, can fill.

That's the real trick, you can't fill 17 holes in one draft. The safeties at the top of this board will be hard to turn down. And yet if we're going to force feed the 3-4, and we are... you have to have a real NT. It's just not going to work without one. I don't think it's a one or the other thing.

First I'm not advocating Cody ... Pioli will evaluate the talent and be able to determine if he fits or not. But:

1. I guess Haley will play any player he drafts, but IMHO he had much better talent in street clothes on Sunday than both Brown/McGraw put together. I'm one of those who believe Pollard would be helping us more than Brown. Brown can't even get to a ball carrier ... even if he wraps up or tackles. At least Pollard would give him a lick and allow someone else to make the tackle. Brown takes poor angles all the time. Maybe we win the Dallas game with Pollard. Note: not promoting Page/Pollard just saying are we sure Haley would play a better safety???

2. I started his post to respond to SNR's point ... yes, our safeties are bad (I think Haley's fault) ... but, even with world class speed back there ... if there is no pressure up front, the DB will get burned. Not saying we need to draft one but a NT is important.

Now, maybe Edwards is that guy? But, we do need bodies at the position.

My comments earlier was about Haley having fun watching the scales go down.

Demonpenz
10-27-2009, 08:03 AM
If terrence cody comes to the chiefs, he will die as soon as he has to practice in the st joe heat.

Chiefnj2
10-27-2009, 08:44 AM
If you want to draft a NT, take the kid from Duke in the 3rd round.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2009, 10:01 AM
If you want to draft a NT, take the kid from Duke in the 3rd round.

Most people think of him as an End in a 3-4. Tall, long arms, just a shade over 300.

The vast majority of your premier NTs are 6'0"-6'2".

Mr. Laz
10-27-2009, 10:07 AM
I'm not sure you can use a top 5 pick on a 2 down player


also i'm not sure that Cody is even the best Dlineman on his own team.


Marcell Dareus

Dave Lane
10-27-2009, 10:10 AM
It's just asking for problems, I don't think you use top 10 picks on 2 down players.

I'm not saying to take this guy but if there was a monster play making Pro Bowl NT you take him with any pick you have

BossChief
10-27-2009, 10:13 AM
Most people think of him as an End in a 3-4. Tall, long arms, just a shade over 300.

The vast majority of your premier NTs are 6'0"-6'2".

and closer to 330 pounds

Thats if we are talking about the traditional 3-4 and not a gap penetrating one

I cant remember the last 3-4 defense in the playoffs that had success without a big 330 pound run stuffing animal protecting the nose of the defense.

That is the first building block if an elite one is available.

I got a hypothetical question for all of you:

if we could trade our first round pick to Baltimore for Ngata on draft day, would you do it?

I sure as fuck would!

ChiTown
10-27-2009, 10:14 AM
I'm not sure you can use a top 5 pick on a 2 down player


also i'm not sure that Cody is even the best Dlineman on his own team.


Marcell Dareus

One of my biggest concerns with T. Cody is his weight. Dude was sporting well over 400 lbs when he got to Bama. I'm not sure he's disciplined enough to keep his weight down when he BE MAKN ALL DAT CAKE IN DA NFL, PATNA!

Dave Lane
10-27-2009, 10:15 AM
Haley would make this guy weep. Look at the goo hanging off him.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/885/F422039.jpg

He may have double Ds!

Tuckdaddy
10-27-2009, 10:18 AM
All of this depends on what they get in FA. If we get a few o-line in FA then we can taek Cody. We need his space eating fat ass for our 3-4.

tk13
10-27-2009, 10:21 AM
I'm beginning to think that it's not nearly as important as it's hyped up to be. The Broncos, Cowboys, and 49ers are playing outstanding football behind an average nose tackle. Even the Jets are playing good defense without Kris Jenkins.

You need a nose tackle. And it's nice to have a great one. But most defenses can do just fine with a good not great one.

I don't know if I'd really consider the Cowboys and Niners outstanding defenses. Solid, yes, but not that elite level. The elite defenses like the Patriots, Ravens, and Steelers have a true 1st round NT to plug the line. Wilfork, Hampton, Ngata... even though Ngata will play end. He's still that type of talent. The Chargers had Jamal Williams, I believe he was a 2nd round pick, but still.

But in reality, everybody pins it down to one position that needs to be found in X round... there's more to it than that. We still need a NT, we need a playmaking safety, and we still need a true pass rushing LB.

Delano
10-27-2009, 10:22 AM
The Chiefs can get offensive linemen without using their first pick on them...

And for anyone that wants a WR, there's no point in that, odds are the Chiefs will pick high in 2011 also and guess what all I have to say is true sophs AJ Green, Julio Jones and Michael Floyd.

Is Kris O'Dowd gonna declare for the 2010 draft?

Saccopoo
10-27-2009, 10:33 AM
If you want to draft a NT, take the kid from Duke in the 3rd round.

Vince Ogobasse is really stiff. Big dude, but he has no leverage or power. He'd get completely washed out in the NFL as a 3-4 NT. KU's line manhandled him earlier this season.

Chiefnj2
10-27-2009, 11:00 AM
Vince Ogobasse is really stiff. Big dude, but he has no leverage or power. He'd get completely washed out in the NFL as a 3-4 NT. KU's line manhandled him earlier this season.

He had a leg injury entering the Kansas game. It was the first game he hadn't started in years. He missed the next game completely.

Demonpenz
10-27-2009, 11:15 AM
I was noticing our NT getting pushed all over the place our first game. So I started tooling around with the new madden and found sucess making some changes to the 3-4. First one of the problems with our NT is they he isn't strong enough at the point of attack. So I tried putting two guys where the NT is, but spread them out just a bit like over the guards so they couldn't just got the two guys in the middle. The next thing is I moved Hali in a bit to be over the Tackle. Now since I had to bring in another guy to help the NT get some push I dropped out the weakest linebacker completely. It seemed to help work on getting good push up the middle. To assist hali I also had him in a 3 point stance. Dorsey seemed to be more natural in the NTAP or the Nose tack assist position.

Chiefnj2
10-27-2009, 11:21 AM
I was noticing our NT getting pushed all over the place our first game. So I started tooling around with the new madden and found sucess making some changes to the 3-4. First one of the problems with our NT is they he isn't strong enough at the point of attack. So I tried putting two guys where the NT is, but spread them out just a bit like over the guards so they couldn't just got the two guys in the middle. The next thing is I moved Hali in a bit to be over the Tackle. Now since I had to bring in another guy to help the NT get some push I dropped out the weakest linebacker completely. It seemed to help work on getting good push up the middle. To assist hali I also had him in a 3 point stance. Dorsey seemed to be more natural in the NTAP or the Nose tack assist position.

No original material?

Demonpenz
10-27-2009, 11:25 AM
No material?

no reposting it for the OP and WE STILL AREN'T DOING IT

Saccopoo
10-27-2009, 11:55 AM
Is Kris O'Dowd gonna declare for the 2010 draft?

There is a few legit centers in this next draft. I think it's a better center class than last years, especially if O'Dowd and Wisniewski of Penn State comes out. Both are superb prospects with first round talent and skills. Because of the depth of this draft (which will be very deep due to the threat of a rookie pay scale in 2011 - most are assuming that the top juniors will declare), both have a chance to be there at the top of the second round when the Chiefs pick.

If O'Dowd and Wisniewski come out, the following guys could be there for the Chiefs at the top of the third round:

Matt Tenant is a long time starter in a pro-style system at Boston College that has historically produced decent offensive line prospects.

Eric Olsen is the best offensive lineman for the golden domers, at least from what I've seen in two games this year. Mean and nasty with excellent strength.

John Estes from Hawaii is a three year starter at C that has been an All-WAC First Teamer since he moved from guard to center his sophomore year. Like a fish to water.

milkman
10-27-2009, 07:26 PM
There is a few legit centers in this next draft. I think it's a better center class than last years, especially if O'Dowd and Wisniewski of Penn State comes out. Both are superb prospects with first round talent and skills. Because of the depth of this draft (which will be very deep due to the threat of a rookie pay scale in 2011 - most are assuming that the top juniors will declare), both have a chance to be there at the top of the second round when the Chiefs pick.

If O'Dowd and Wisniewski come out, the following guys could be there for the Chiefs at the top of the third round:

Matt Tenant is a long time starter in a pro-style system at Boston College that has historically produced decent offensive line prospects.

Eric Olsen is the best offensive lineman for the golden domers, at least from what I've seen in two games this year. Mean and nasty with excellent strength.

John Estes from Hawaii is a three year starter at C that has been an All-WAC First Teamer since he moved from guard to center his sophomore year. Like a fish to water.

Olson is strong, but he's stiff and slow.

Ralphy Boy
10-27-2009, 09:24 PM
If you guys haven't noticed, Vince Wilfork is every bit as fat...I'm not a fan of taking a big fat guy in a year of elite talent but I fully expect it.

Wilfork fell to them at the 21 pick back in 2004. You know... after we traded out of the # 30 pick, with Detroit, so we could get the best DT in the draft... Mr. Junior Siavii.

Looks like he's slimmed down some and is on the Dallas roster.

chiefzilla1501
10-28-2009, 12:32 AM
and closer to 330 pounds

Thats if we are talking about the traditional 3-4 and not a gap penetrating one

I cant remember the last 3-4 defense in the playoffs that had success without a big 330 pound run stuffing animal protecting the nose of the defense.

That is the first building block if an elite one is available.

I got a hypothetical question for all of you:

if we could trade our first round pick to Baltimore for Ngata on draft day, would you do it?

I sure as **** would!

The Packers have nobody particularly special at NT. The Cardinals' and Broncos' defense has resurged around veteran players who were nothing special before coming in. The Jets' defense hasn't hiccuped a bit since losing Kris Jenkins to injury.

And while I'd love to have Ngata, Cody isn't going to be as good as Ngata who is a physical freak of nature. And Ngata doesn't even play NT right now. Kelly Gregg plays NT for the Ravens.

The NT is obviously important, but it's not nearly as critical as people claim it is. The newest 3-4 defenses have built around the NT.

BWillie
10-28-2009, 01:35 AM
Did u see him today 2 blocked kicks and totally dominant

For the life of me, I don't see how blocking a kick warrants anything. Bernard Pollard could block kicks and everybody was raving about him. I was sitting back and asking people what on earth does that have to do w/ playing safety? Evidently it didn't have anything to do w/ it.

Raised On Riots
10-28-2009, 01:38 AM
Is this the same author of, "It's Curry, and it's a no brainer"?

Jeez...

googlegoogle
10-28-2009, 02:04 PM
Dt and NT = too risky.

need safe picks. Seriously.

Oline and take 1 or 2 in the middle of the draft. Make them earn their money at a high risk position.

Blick
10-28-2009, 02:34 PM
For the life of me, I don't see how blocking a kick warrants anything. Bernard Pollard could block kicks and everybody was raving about him. I was sitting back and asking people what on earth does that have to do w/ playing safety? Evidently it didn't have anything to do w/ it.

Plowing through the line twice to block kicks up the middle is really impressive. It was all penetration. If you don't see what that has to do with defensive line play, then I don't know what to tell you.

The way Cody blocked those kicks is totally different from the way Pollard blocked punts.

Not a Cody fan...just sayin.