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Mecca
10-26-2009, 06:38 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/gamelog;_ylt=Alv5iaYrjohR4slQSz9z.Xf.uLYF

Look at his YPA for yesterdays game...3.9, how the fuck do you only have 3.9 yards per attempt in a game?

That is laughably awful.

OnTheWarpath58
10-26-2009, 06:39 PM
It's _________'s fault, not Cassel's.

DaneMcCloud
10-26-2009, 06:40 PM
It's _________'s fault, not Cassel's.

Sauto told me so.

thurman merman
10-26-2009, 06:40 PM
matt cassel sucks.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-26-2009, 06:41 PM
FTR, a good YPA is 7

OnTheWarpath58
10-26-2009, 06:42 PM
FTR, a good YPA is 7

So Cassel is above average. /homers

JASONSAUTO
10-26-2009, 06:43 PM
Sauto told me so.

i have said he had a bad game. he's not confident in anything that happens around him right now(blocking and running) and it's showing in his play

DeezNutz
10-26-2009, 06:44 PM
I have confidence in Matty. /Pioli's man sack/

notorious
10-26-2009, 06:44 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/gamelog;_ylt=Alv5iaYrjohR4slQSz9z.Xf.uLYF

Look at his YPA for yesterdays game...3.9, how the **** do you only have 3.9 yards per attempt in a game?

That is laughably awful.

But Mecca, he doesn't turn the ball over!$!$! /blind CP homer

Too bad we can't put Croyles arm and brain in Cassel's body.

BigMeatballDave
10-26-2009, 06:44 PM
Newsflash! He sucked yesterday. Hey, did you hear about LJ?

DBOSHO
10-26-2009, 06:44 PM
Its Brodie-time.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 06:45 PM
He has another game at 4, that's just so bad...it speaks to them trying to protect him so he doesn't look bad though.

notorious
10-26-2009, 06:55 PM
Bad thing is, if we put Brodie in, they better boot-leg (I know, I know) his ass away from the pressure or it will won't last very long.

Bane
10-26-2009, 06:58 PM
Bad thing is, if we put Brodie in, they better boot-leg (I know, I know) his ass away from the pressure or it will won't last very long.

All bullshitting aside,when Brodie doesn't get sacked and put on the IR for the season,he runs a pretty slick boot leg.o:-)

DBOSHO
10-26-2009, 06:59 PM
HE took some pretty good shots against the ravens and kept getting up.

That one in the preseason game scared me though. I dont remember what team it was but some dude superman dove and hit his helmet right on his chin.

ChiefJustice
10-26-2009, 07:01 PM
I even saw him eating a hot dog on the sideline.

notorious
10-26-2009, 07:02 PM
All bullshitting aside,when Brodie doesn't get sacked and put on the IR for the season,he runs a pretty slick boot leg.o:-)

Yes, I love the bootleg, unless it's being run against us by Denver and Hicks is our DE.


Unfortunately our offense doesn't want to use the bootleg to help our QB get out into space so he can make a completion that's more then 3.9 yards.

BigMeatballDave
10-26-2009, 07:04 PM
He has another game at 4, that's just so bad...it speaks to them trying to protect him so he doesn't look bad though.

Possibly. I'd save judgment for when this team has some talent.

CaliforniaChief
10-26-2009, 07:06 PM
Yes, I love the bootleg, unless it's being run against us by Denver and Hicks is our DE.


Unfortunately our offense doesn't want to use the bootleg to help our QB get out into space so he can make a completion that's more then 3.9 yards.

The problem is that our running game demands NO respect, therefore the bootleg won't work. If we had a reasonably effective rushing attack we could run it more.

DeezNutz
10-26-2009, 07:08 PM
Possibly. I'd save judgment for when this team has some talent.

I look forward to your analysis in '11.

thurman merman
10-26-2009, 07:09 PM
Yes, I love the bootleg, unless it's being run against us by Denver and Hicks is our DE.


:banghead::banghead::banghead:

OnTheWarpath58
10-26-2009, 07:09 PM
I look forward to your analysis in '11.

LMAO

BigMeatballDave
10-26-2009, 07:15 PM
I look forward to your analysis in '11.You'll have to remind me, I'll never remember...

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:17 PM
I look forward to your analysis in '11.

I don't think you need to surround him with an all-world supporting cast. But he does deserve to have an adequate offensive line and a consistent receiver before we can seal the case shut. If there were great young QBs in next year's class, I don't think it would hurt to take one. But I don't see there being that option. I think we're stuck with Cassel in 2010 regardless.

Worst case, Cassel busts in 2010 and you become frontrunners for Locker or Claussen.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:18 PM
Clausen is coming out, he'd be an idiot not to, hell Locker should too, they could get jacked up the board.

carlos3652
10-26-2009, 07:19 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/gamelog;_ylt=Ap_1wk0E33ClO.CJkofERjb.uLYF?year=2008

that happened twice last year (under 5) with the patriots... whats your point... he had a crappy game...

Kyle Ortons 2006 5.1 average all year... 2008 6.4 averaqge all year... i guess he is a below average qb... his record in those years 22-8.

kstater
10-26-2009, 07:19 PM
So...did you laugh at this stat line?

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JASONSAUTO
10-26-2009, 07:19 PM
I don't think you need to surround him with an all-world supporting cast. But he does deserve to have an adequate offensive line and a consistent receiver before we can seal the case shut. If there were great young QBs in next year's class, I don't think it would hurt to take one. But I don't see there being that option. I think we're stuck with Cassel in 2010 regardless.

Worst case, Cassel busts in 2010 and you become frontrunners for Locker or Claussen.

thats the way his contract is written, gives us an out after next year if we need to draft a guy rd.1. there arent any this year anyways.
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chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:20 PM
Clausen is coming out, he'd be an idiot not to, hell Locker should too, they could get jacked up the board.

I've talked to several big Notre Dame fans who don't think Claussen will declare early. But who knows... If those guys are available, as strange as it sounds, I wonder if those guys should become your picks and then you dangle one of them as trade bait if Cassel does pan out.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:20 PM
So...did you laugh at this stat line?

8.3 10 29 34.5 119 4.1 5
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I knew that was coming

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:20 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/gamelog;_ylt=Ap_1wk0E33ClO.CJkofERjb.uLYF?year=2008

that happened twice last year (under 5) with the patriots... whats your point... he had a crappy game...

Kyle Ortons 2006 5.1 average all year... 2008 6.4 averaqge all year... i guess he is a below average qb... his record in those years 22-8.

If Kyle Orton is our standard, this trade is a loser.

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:21 PM
So...did you laugh at this stat line?

8.3 10 29 34.5 119 4.1 5
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I was wondering the same thing. Especially the 4.1 YPP.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:22 PM
I've talked to several big Notre Dame fans who don't think Claussen will declare early. But who knows... If those guys are available, as strange as it sounds, I wonder if those guys should become your picks and then you dangle one of them as trade bait if Cassel does pan out.

I'm basically resided to the fact that Cassel is going to start here for atleast 3 or 4 years. Pioli is not going to admit he fucked up that move in the snap of a finger.

Haley will get fired before they move on a QB.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:23 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Especially the 4.1 YPP.

Hey still better than 3.9 right?

But like has been said before, so our 27 year old QB is either the same or marginally better than a rookie with a handful of starts, well whooptie fuckin do.

carlos3652
10-26-2009, 07:24 PM
I remember the Chicago Atlanta game from 2006, (my bro in law is a huge bears fan) - Chicago won 16-3 Ortons YPA was 1.2

JASONSAUTO
10-26-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm basically resided to the fact that Cassel is going to start here for atleast 3 or 4 years. Pioli is not going to admit he fucked up that move in the snap of a finger.

Haley will get fired before they move on a QB.

again an assumption with nothing to base it on.... pioli is not an idiot, he left himself an out. just like in the bledsoe situation. sorry if you cant understand
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Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:25 PM
I remember the Chicago Atlanta game from 2006, (my bro in law is a huge bears fan) - Chicago won 16-3 Ortons YPA was 1.2

Are you trying to make some kind of point about how awful a QB can be?

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm basically resided to the fact that Cassel is going to start here for atleast 3 or 4 years. Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up that move in the snap of a finger.

Haley will get fired before they move on a QB.

I think you're selling Pioli a bit short. As much as I hate his croneyism to former Pats, he doesn't have a history of being overly loyal to underperforming players. This is a guy who basically wanted nothing to do with Ty Law and even Troy Brown unless they took significant pay cuts. I can't think of many examples where a Pats player stayed on that roster way longer than they deserved to.

Hopefully that hasn't changed. For now, I think he at least deserves a benefit of a doubt.

notorious
10-26-2009, 07:26 PM
The problem is that our running game demands NO respect, therefore the bootleg won't work. If we had a reasonably effective rushing attack we could run it more.

This is true. I would hope it would at least give our QB a chance. With this assembly of talent it probably doesn't matter anyway.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:26 PM
Hey still better than 3.9 right?

But like has been said before, so our 27 year old QB is either the same or marginally better than a rookie with a handful of starts, well whooptie fuckin do.

You should try being a little patient. I know it is easy to bash everything and expect quick results but this was never going to be a quick fix.

carlos3652
10-26-2009, 07:27 PM
I just checked drew brees at 27 in 2006... a game vs the giants, they won 30-7... his ypa was 4.1... it happens...

carlos3652
10-26-2009, 07:27 PM
Are you trying to make some kind of point about how awful a QB can be?

yes, and have a great record...

luv
10-26-2009, 07:28 PM
Hey still better than 3.9 right?

But like has been said before, so our 27 year old QB is either the same or marginally better than a rookie with a handful of starts, well whooptie fuckin do.

You are so much easier to talk to when I agree with you.

DeezNutz
10-26-2009, 07:28 PM
So...did you laugh at this stat line?

8.3 10 29 34.5 119 4.1 5
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Looks like a future HOFer.

kstater
10-26-2009, 07:28 PM
I just checked drew brees at 27 in 2006... a game vs the giants, they won 30-7... his ypa was 4.1... it happens...


Eh, he plays in a spread, so you can expect him to have a slightly higher ypa.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:28 PM
You should try being a little patient. I know it is easy to bash everything and expect quick results but this was never going to be a quick fix.

I said this before and I'll say it again, I'm going to have far less patience with a 27 year old than I would with a rookie. And don't give me this he hasn't played bullshit since everyone that defended this trade went to the he's not a rookie argument.

carlos3652
10-26-2009, 07:29 PM
If Kyle Orton is our standard, this trade is a loser.

I agree, but it boggles me his YPA is below average for 2 years and barely above average for one year (this year) and he is 28-8... YPA isnt everything i guess... that just means you tried to pass it a lot, and have a lot of incompletions...

notorious
10-26-2009, 07:29 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/gamelog;_ylt=Ap_1wk0E33ClO.CJkofERjb.uLYF?year=2008

that happened twice last year (under 5) with the patriots... whats your point... he had a crappy game...

Kyle Ortons 2006 5.1 average all year... 2008 6.4 averaqge all year... i guess he is a below average qb... his record in those years 22-8.

What were their 3rd down averages? Just wondering because I believe good QB's get the job done on 3rd down and in the 4th quarter.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:30 PM
yes, and have a great record...

Ummm. We're 1-6. Having a sucky QB hasn't really worked out for us.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:30 PM
I agree, but it boggles me his YPA is below average for 2 years and barely above average for one year (this year) and he is 28-8... YPA isnt everything i guess... that just means you tried to pass it a lot, and have a lot of incompletions...

It's partially because the guys idea of offense was to dump it to Matt Forte repeatedly.

DBOSHO
10-26-2009, 07:30 PM
They wont sit shitty mike brown who they brought in. Its clear mike brown blows, so why not play morgan some? We are fucking 1-6, why not see what you got? Are we playoff bound this year?

Same with dj. Hes played better than any of our lbs save maybe tamba. Again,why not let him play?

I think he doesnt wanna look like a fool if either of those guys start making plays.

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:30 PM
I said this before and I'll say it again, I'm going to have far less patience with a 27 year old than I would with a rookie. And don't give me this he hasn't played bullshit since everyone that defended this trade went to the he's not a rookie argument.

Experience is one thing. But few QBs of any experience level should be expected to carry a team with no running game, no defense, and one receiver who makes as many dumb mistakes as he makes big plays. That's the point to be made.

kstater
10-26-2009, 07:32 PM
Experience is one thing. But few QBs of any experience level should be expected to carry a team with no running game, no defense, and one receiver who makes as many dumb mistakes as he makes big plays. That's the point to be made.

No, he's 27, he should be capable of carrying the team.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:32 PM
They wont sit shitty mike brown who they brought in. Its clear mike brown blows, so why not play morgan some? We are fucking 1-6, why not see what you got? Are we playoff bound this year?

Same with dj. Hes played better than any of our lbs save maybe tamba. Again,why not let him play?

I think he doesnt wanna look like a fool if either of those guys start making plays.

Anyone who was touched with the Herm stick automatically sucks and has no future, even Whitlock mentioned this.

carlos3652
10-26-2009, 07:32 PM
It's partially because the guys idea of offense was to dump it to Matt Forte repeatedly.

If Cassel had Matt Forte do dump to would it be better than LJ?

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:33 PM
I said this before and I'll say it again, I'm going to have far less patience with a 27 year old than I would with a rookie. And don't give me this he hasn't played bullshit since everyone that defended this trade went to the he's not a rookie argument.

I am not talking exclusively about Cassel. This whole team around him is god awful.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:33 PM
You guys are spinning that to "hey he should carry the team"

No I'm expecting him to not completely blow ass, the guy has played like ass all year just no one mentions it because he wasn't throwing picks.

I don't think I'm asking a lot here.

notorious
10-26-2009, 07:33 PM
If Cassel had Matt Forte do dump to would it be better than LJ?

Just a little bit.......

Chiefnj2
10-26-2009, 07:34 PM
Hey still better than 3.9 right?

But like has been said before, so our 27 year old QB is either the same or marginally better than a rookie with a handful of starts, well whooptie ****in do.

The 27 year old QB hadn't started a game since high school prior to last year. That 27 year old QB has a much worse OL and worse weapons than the 4.1 saviour.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:34 PM
Experience is one thing. But few QBs of any experience level should be expected to carry a team with no running game, no defense, and one receiver who makes as many dumb mistakes as he makes big plays. That's the point to be made.

Maybe Bowe has an agreement with Cassel. Cassel has to throw bad passes, so that Bowe will look so good whenever he's able to catch one. When he does throw him a good pass, it surprises him so much that he drops it. :shrug:

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:35 PM
The 27 year old QB hadn't started a game since high school prior to last year. That 27 year old QB has a much worse OL and worse weapons than the 4.1 saviour.

Hi I'm Matt Cassel I can completely shit my pants on the field but it's cool, a lot of people will still defend me because I'm on the team and that's what they do here.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:36 PM
I am not talking exclusively about Cassel. This whole team around him is god awful.

This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:36 PM
Maybe Bowe has an agreement with Cassel. Cassel has to throw bad passes, so that Bowe will look so good whenever he's able to catch one. When he does throw him a good pass, it surprises him so much that he drops it. :shrug:

Lance Long had as many targets yesterday as Bowe did....WHY?

Why does Matt Cassel love throwing the ball at Bobby Wade and Lance Long and Sean Ryan and Dwayne Bowe hardly gets looked at, it makes no god damn sense.

Dwayne Bowe should have more targets than everyone else in the offense combined.

LaChapelle
10-26-2009, 07:37 PM
Everytime Mecca sees the name Sanchez he pees a little in excitement.
If he was a CHief, he'd call him a bum ROFL

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:37 PM
This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.

Because him being shit sets us back 2 or 3 more years in how long it will take to be good again, so it's not fun to admit that he might suck.

kstater
10-26-2009, 07:37 PM
Lance Long had as many targets yesterday as Bowe did....WHY?

Why does Matt Cassel love throwing the ball at Bobby Wade and Lance Long and Sean Ryan and Dwayne Bowe hardly gets looked at, it makes no god damn sense.

Dwayne Bowe should have more targets than everyone else in the offense combined.

He's not open? :shrug:

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:37 PM
You guys are spinning that to "hey he should carry the team"

No I'm expecting him to not completely blow ass, the guy has played like ass all year just no one mentions it because he wasn't throwing picks.

I don't think I'm asking a lot here.

Nobody has said he's the great white hope because he isn't throwing picks. Most people are saying he deserves at least an average offensive line before you can truly judge his potential. Not a pro bowl line. An average one. I don't think that's asking for a lot either.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:37 PM
Why is Sanchez being mentioned in a thread about Cassel?

Really you guys need to let it go.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:38 PM
Lance Long had as many targets yesterday as Bowe did....WHY?

Why does Matt Cassel love throwing the ball at Bobby Wade and Lance Long and Sean Ryan and Dwayne Bowe hardly gets looked at, it makes no god damn sense.

Dwayne Bowe should have more targets than everyone else in the offense combined.

I still think Bowe is a showboat and Haley doesn't seem to like that. Point being made in the playcalling?

Of course, I probably have no clue what I'm talking about.

notorious
10-26-2009, 07:38 PM
Lance Long had as many targets yesterday as Bowe did....WHY?

Why does Matt Cassel love throwing the ball at Bobby Wade and Lance Long and Sean Ryan and Dwayne Bowe hardly gets looked at, it makes no god damn sense.

Dwayne Bowe should have more targets than everyone else in the offense combined.

I have not been to a game yet. Is Bowe getting seperation? Even if he isn't, he still should be getting looks.


Anyone know?

kstater
10-26-2009, 07:38 PM
Why is Sanchez being mentioned in a thread about Cassel?

Really you guys need to let it go.

You said you found a stat that you didn't think was possible. It was pointed out that Sanchez had a nearly IDENTICAL stat.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:39 PM
I still think Bowe is a showboat and Haley doesn't seem to like that. Point being made in the playcalling?

Of course, I probably have no clue what I'm talking about.

Well I don't like that Todd Haley has no grasp of game management, he's every bit as bad if not worse than Herm.

Can I go kick him in the head because of it?

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:39 PM
This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.

For me I was never a Cassel fan and I thought he was a 1 year wonder. But he is a Chief now and I don't want him to fail plus I am going to give Pioli the benefit of the doubt. Most people thought this team was not very good I predicted 4-5 wins and that maybe high now.

I want to see a full offseason with Pioli and everyone in place to see what kind of team he builds. If next year we still suck at 1-6 then the honeymoon will be over at least for me anyway. For others it is already over.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:40 PM
Well I don't like that Todd Haley has no grasp of game management, he's every bit as bad if not worse than Herm.

Can I go kick him in the head because of it?

Whatever makes you feel better.

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:41 PM
This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.

Because there are some on this forum that are intent on despising the shit out of him and not giving even an ounce of a benefit of a doubt.

Most of his critics acknowledge that he has a shitty supporting cast, and yet won't even slightly acknowledge that maybe the shitty supporting cast might be contributing to some of his problems too. THat's the part that gets me.

Nobody on this board is saying he's been great or even good. They are just saying that he deserves to have at least a little help before we can start judging.

LaChapelle
10-26-2009, 07:42 PM
It was :) a :Poke: at Mecca's anti-chief takes

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:42 PM
I expect him to throw to the best player on the team more than the scrubs and to not miss guys wide open down the field.

I know I'm asking a ton here.

Sure-Oz
10-26-2009, 07:43 PM
I expect him to throw to the best player on the team more than the scrubs and to not miss guys wide open down the field.

I know I'm asking a ton here.

we need 22 lance longs

luv
10-26-2009, 07:44 PM
For me I was never a Cassel fan and I thought he was a 1 year wonder. But he is a Chief now and I don't want him to fail plus I am going to give Pioli the benefit of the doubt. Most people thought this team was not very good I predicted 4-5 wins and that maybe high now.

I want to see a full offseason with Pioli and everyone in place to see what kind of team he builds. If next year we still suck at 1-6 then the honeymoon will be over at least for me anyway. For others it is already over.

Haley seems to be switching out a lot of players at a lot of positions. Trying to see who fits where best. It took us being down 20+ points in the fourth quarter for him to switch out Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I want whoever plays to succeed. I don't know. I just don't like what I see in Cassel. Call it woman's intuition...lol.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:44 PM
Nobody on this board is saying he's been great or even good. They are just saying that he deserves to have at least a little help before we can start judging.

100% correct.

KCBOSS1
10-26-2009, 07:44 PM
Put Brodie in and let him make some mistakes, maybe get hurt or whatever. At least he's gonna throw the ball down the field. Matt Cassel is a back up quarterback. He went to the Grbac school of quarterbacking. I called it before the season started and got totally blitzed about it. He looked passive to me from the beginning and still does.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:44 PM
we need 22 lance longs

That had to be some of the dumbest shit I had ever seen, Lance Long in about a quarter and a half had as many targets as Bowe gets in an entire game.

Rudy lost the toss
10-26-2009, 07:45 PM
Im shocked that Mecca thinks Cassel's horrible play is a laughing matter

Count Zarth
10-26-2009, 07:46 PM
Put Brodie in and let him make some mistakes, maybe get hurt or whatever. At least he's gonna throw the ball down the field.

Cassel throws it down the field. He just doesn't connect.

I don't think his low YPA is a reflection of how far he's throwing the ball. It's a reflection of him not completing many passes...when you go 10 for 25 you're gonna have a low YPA more often than not.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:46 PM
Haley seems to be switching out a lot of players at a lot of positions. Trying to see who fits where best. It took us being down 20+ points in the fourth quarter for him to switch out Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I want whoever plays to succeed. I don't know. I just don't like what I see in Cassel. Call it woman's intuition...lol.

And he put in Gutierrez and not Croyle because of Croyle comes in and leads the team to a TD or something, he has a problem on his hands.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:47 PM
Haley seems to be switching out a lot of players at a lot of positions. Trying to see who fits where best. It took us being down 20+ points in the fourth quarter for him to switch out Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I want whoever plays to succeed. I don't know. I just don't like what I see in Cassel. Call it woman's intuition...lol.

I hear ya. I was at the Cowboys game and I started chanting for Croyle in the 3rd quarter. I was also calling Haley Herm.

I don't know what to think of Cassel sometimes he looks like a HOF with some of his passes and others he looks like high school JV.

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 07:47 PM
Put Brodie in and let him make some mistakes, maybe get hurt or whatever. At least he's gonna throw the ball down the field. Matt Cassel is a back up quarterback. He went to the Grbac school of quarterbacking. I called it before the season started and got totally blitzed about it. He looked passive to me from the beginning and still does.

I don't see any point in starting a QB who you don't trust to be healthy for 16 games, let alone for the next 3-5 years.

Cassel is the only QB on this roster with any kind of long-term potential. There is no value in starting Croyle this season.

LaChapelle
10-26-2009, 07:47 PM
And he put in Gutierrez and not Croyle because of Croyle comes in and leads the team to a TD or something, he has a problem on his hands.

That would play right into Haley's hands. Push, push, push

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:49 PM
I hear ya. I was at the Cowboys game and I started chanting for Croyle in the 3rd quarter. I was also calling Haley Herm.

I don't know what to think of Cassel sometimes he looks like a HOF with some of his passes and others he looks like high school JV.

I think Haley might be worse than Herm, I'm already tired of these stupid 4th down decisions and all the onside kicks that make no sense.

DBOSHO
10-26-2009, 07:50 PM
Regret getting rid of thigpen now???

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:51 PM
I think Haley might be worse than Herm, I'm already tired of these stupid 4th down decisions and all the onside kicks that make no sense.

I am willing to cut Haley some slack he is learning on the job. Herm was still making stupid decisions 7 years into being a head coach.

I just get a little flustrated because I thought Haley was alot more aggressive play caller in Arizona than he is here. I know there is a big difference talent wise but running up the butt every first down is Herm esque.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:52 PM
I don't see any point in starting a QB who you don't trust to be healthy for 16 games, let alone for the next 3-5 years.

Cassel is the only QB on this roster with any kind of long-term potential. There is no value in starting Croyle this season.

There's also no point in starting a QB wo can't connect with receivers over 10 yards away from him, either. NEARLY anytime he makes a throw into the endzone, it's overthrown.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:52 PM
Regret getting rid of thigpen now???

No.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 07:52 PM
You could make me coach and I wouldn't go for a 4th down in my own end down by 7 in the 1st quarter.

DBOSHO
10-26-2009, 07:54 PM
No.

Thigpen is on the bench and hes playing better than cassel.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 07:55 PM
You could make me coach and I wouldn't go for a 4th down in my own end down by 7 in the 1st quarter.

Like I said he is learning and he realizes he screwed up there. Way it goes

luv
10-26-2009, 07:55 PM
I hear ya. I was at the Cowboys game and I started chanting for Croyle in the 3rd quarter. I was also calling Haley Herm.

I don't know what to think of Cassel sometimes he looks like a HOF with some of his passes and others he looks like high school JV.

I guess that's what makes him a part of the team. Inconsistency.

luv
10-26-2009, 07:56 PM
Thigpen is on the bench and hes playing better than cassel.

As much as I may be doubting Cassel right now, I would take him over Thigpen in a heartbeat.

Fairplay
10-26-2009, 07:57 PM
be quiet

BigMeatballDave
10-26-2009, 07:59 PM
You could make me coach and I wouldn't go for a 4th down in my own end down by 7 in the 1st quarter.Even now I still dont question that decision. I do question the playcall, however...

Mecca
10-26-2009, 08:01 PM
Even now I still dont question that decision. I do question the playcall, however...

It was both...why would you go for it?

It was stupid when he went for it against the Redskins early, you take the points against a team that can't score.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 08:01 PM
I guess that's what makes him a part of the team. Inconsistency.

Yep.

The one thing though I think everybody should give Cassel credit for is how tough he is. The man has probably been hit more times than any QB this year and he continues to get up and fight.

DBOSHO
10-26-2009, 08:01 PM
As much as I may be doubting Cassel right now, I would take him over Thigpen in a heartbeat.

Cassel is a better qb, but thigpen can "make shicken salad out of chicken shit" better

tonyetony
10-26-2009, 08:01 PM
That had to be some of the dumbest shit I had ever seen, Lance Long in about a quarter and a half had as many targets as Bowe gets in an entire game.

I agree with you there. Cassel looked like shit yesterday and that dropped TD by Long might have been his best throw all year. Bowe should be thrown at 10 times a game and Wade should get close to that as well.

luv
10-26-2009, 08:02 PM
Yep.

The one thing though I think everybody should give Cassel credit for is how tough he is. The man has probably been hit more times than any QB this year and he continues to get up and fight.

That's something I can agree with.

Fairplay
10-26-2009, 08:06 PM
Are you talking to me?

Are You talking to ME?!!?

ChiefsCountry
10-26-2009, 08:06 PM
I think Cassel needs to be in a WCO. His skill set matches it much better.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 08:08 PM
I think Cassel needs to be in a WCO. His skill set matches it much better.

You think so?

Most teams that run a WCO rarely go to shotgun and it requires proper footwork and quick reads.

DeezNutz
10-26-2009, 08:09 PM
You think so?

Most teams that run a WCO rarely go to shotgun and it requires proper footwork and quick reads.

, and accuracy.

ChiefsCountry
10-26-2009, 08:11 PM
You think so?

Most teams that run a WCO rarely go to shotgun and it requires proper footwork and quick reads.

Very true. I was just thinking of the routes they run, which suits his arm better than a vertical passing game.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 08:11 PM
, and accuracy.

That is not unique to WCO

DeezNutz
10-26-2009, 08:12 PM
That is not unique to WCO

Oh, then I'm not sure if Cassel is going to be a successful QB.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 08:13 PM
Oh, then I'm not sure if Cassel is going to be a successful QB.

This is what we get for making fun of Russell I guess, we get our own skinny white version.

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 08:13 PM
Oh, then I'm not sure if Cassel is going to be a successful QB.

Only time will tell

dirk digler
10-26-2009, 08:16 PM
One question on accuracy last year he was 63.4 this year he is 54.8

Which one is closer to the truth?

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 08:16 PM
I said this before and I'll say it again, I'm going to have far less patience with a 27 year old than I would with a rookie.

Probably very similar to how your parents feel about you. Have you reached your full potential?

ChiefsCountry
10-26-2009, 08:16 PM
This is what we get for making fun of Russell I guess, we get our own skinny white version.

FatMarcus can actually throw the ball more than 10 yards though.

DeezNutz
10-26-2009, 08:17 PM
And it becomes personal.

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 08:18 PM
And it becomes personal.

Just making a point.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 08:18 PM
Probably very similar to how your parents feel about you. Have you reached your full potential?

:spock:

The average person works till they are 65 years old an NFL players career ends in his 30's waiting on a 27 year old is a losing proposition.

This is really hard to understand I know.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 08:19 PM
And it becomes personal.

That's all he can do at this point, his football takes suck.

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 08:25 PM
:spock:

The average person works till they are 65 years old an NFL players career ends in his 30's waiting on a 27 year old is a losing proposition.

This is really hard to understand I know.

How many QB's have had good careers take off later in their careers?

Gannon, Steve Young, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback......

Life does not end at 27.

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 08:26 PM
That's all he can do at this point, his football takes suck.

And yours is awesome. You repeat the same shit over and over.

DaneMcCloud
10-26-2009, 08:34 PM
How many QB's have had good careers take off later in their careers?

Gannon, Steve Young, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback......

Life does not end at 27.

This is true.

But Gannon,and Green both had extensive game time before being handed the keys to the franchise.

Young was handed the keys to two different franchises, one in the USFL and the Bucs (who couldn't beat a USFL team at the time).

Hasselbeck is the only exception on your list.

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 08:41 PM
This is true.

But Gannon,and Green bot had extensive game time before being handed the keys to the franchise.

Young was handed the keys to two different franchises, one in the USFL and the Bucs (who couldn't beat a USFL team at the time).

Hasselbeck is the only exception on your list.

Green had 15 starts before being handed a big contract and then started 8 games after that in Stl before coming to KC. You are Wrong once again.

Gannon had 36 starts in 10 years prior to starting 10 games for KC in 98'.
Hardly extensive career game time and he was over 30 before breaking out.
Wrong again.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 08:42 PM
I bet all of them were good enough to start in college.

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 08:50 PM
I bet all of them were good enough to start in college.

Had Cassel not gone to USC when he did he would have started there or somewhere else. He had 2 Heisman Trophy winners ahead of him.

I bet he still has a better career than Lienart.

Gannon - University of fucking Delaware

Mecca
10-26-2009, 08:51 PM
Be honest going into that year after Palmer, Cassel was the higher rated recruit than Leinart he was the favorite and he got beat out.

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 09:04 PM
Be honest going into that year after Palmer, Cassel was the higher rated recruit than Leinart he was the favorite and he got beat out.

So you are saying he couldn't have started for another D1 school? That's nonsense.

You stated the other QB's I mentioned were good enough to start at their schools.

I am just saying had Cassel wanted to go to BYU or Delaware State, or something comparable at the time he could have started. He decided to stay where he signed and compete.

Do you not believe that?

I don't doubt his not getting to start in college set back his career but to say he sucked so bad in college he couldn't start is BS considering where he was at the time.

alanm
10-26-2009, 09:07 PM
Possibly. I'd save judgment for when this team has some talent.I know that this has probably been mentioned once or twice but he doesn't seem to be able to have the time for routes longer than 5 yrd outs or quick hitches or screens.

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 09:08 PM
I bet all of them were good enough to start in college.

C'mon dude.

The Patriots, whether it was Pioli or Bellichick, decided that Cassel was good enough to be the go-to guy if Brady ever got injured. They believed that for 5 years. During that time, they rotated several QBs and many of them were cut within months or one year.

Pioli and Bellichick picked Matt Cassel to be on their roster over hundreds of QBs who started in college.

Are you really going to try to make the argument that Bellichick has no idea how to evaluate a QB?

Mecca
10-26-2009, 09:11 PM
C'mon dude.

The Patriots, whether it was Pioli or Bellichick, decided that Cassel was good enough to be the go-to guy if Brady ever got injured. They believed that for 5 years. During that time, they rotated several QBs and many of them were cut within months or one year.

Pioli and Bellichick picked Matt Cassel to be on their roster over hundreds of QBs who started in college.

Are you really going to try to make the argument that Bellichick has no idea how to evaluate a QB?

Outside if tripping into Brady he doesn't have a good QB history, it would be like saying Tony Dungy has a good QB history.

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 09:12 PM
This is what we get for making fun of Russell I guess, we get our own skinny white version.

Russell hasn't improved his accuracy because he doesn't put the work in and he's too lazy to work with receivers. Let's not pretend that they're the same guy.

Cassel's got a lot to work on. But he also has a stellar work ethic. What bothers me most is that after every bad play, there should be a coach sitting down with him telling him what he did wrong. It's pretty amazing that Haley thought it was okay to not give the guy a QBs coach to work with.

Bunit
10-26-2009, 09:13 PM
Maybe Bowe has an agreement with Cassel. Cassel has to throw bad passes, so that Bowe will look so good whenever he's able to catch one. When he does throw him a good pass, it surprises him so much that he drops it. :shrug:

Yeah, like the fucking Redskins game I was at where Bowe was running a crossing route on third down.

Cassel threw the ball, hit him right in his hands and he dropped it. Know what happened the next series?

Oh you don't. I'll tell you. Cassel threw a ball that actually went through Bowe's hands and hit him right between the f#cking 8 and 2.

chiefzilla1501
10-26-2009, 09:14 PM
Outside if tripping into Brady he doesn't have a good QB history, it would be like saying Tony Dungy has a good QB history.

The point is that Bellichick has cut dozens of QBs after only one season. Many of them sooner than that. And that includes Kevin O'Connell, a pretty high pick.

I'm not saying he's flawless. But he's a well-respected evaluator of talent and he obviously thought Cassel was worth keeping around for 5 years.

Mecca
10-26-2009, 09:14 PM
I think I'd have rather traded for Kevin Kolb.

Marcellus
10-26-2009, 09:15 PM
I know that this has probably been mentioned once or twice but he doesn't seem to be able to have the time for routes longer than 5 yrd outs or quick hitches or screens.

What I think hasnt been mentioned is when you cant get into a tythm of any sort when you do have some time it makes the longer throws tougher.

I was pissed as hell he missed those 2 long throws with receivers finally open but I don't think it's crazy to say those throws are tougher when you spend a shit ton of time running for your life so you don't get a chance to settle into any type of rhythm and feel comfortable in the pocket throwing the ball down the field.

He probably shits when he has time to throw the ball, its abnormal. He needs to improve on that.

He has shown the ability to make throws at times he just needs to be more consistent. That should come with more stability on the pocket. If not then you shit can him.

Bunit
10-26-2009, 09:15 PM
Hi I'm Matt Cassel I can completely shit my pants on the field but it's cool, a lot of people will still defend me because I'm on the team and that's what they do here.

Aint nobody is defending him. He had a f#cked up game and has not looked good this season. But our whole team looks like shit.

All blame can't be put on Cassel. Why does it alway seem that you are so hellbent on proving to us that Cassel sucks. We get it and thanks.

alanm
10-26-2009, 09:16 PM
I don't see any point in starting a QB who you don't trust to be healthy for 16 games, let alone for the next 3-5 years.

Cassel is the only QB on this roster with any kind of long-term potential. There is no value in starting Croyle this season.For the life of me I don't know why they don't have Croyle hitting the weights 2 or 3 days a week and putting on weight. Also he'll have a bit more confidence in his knee next year. Cassel's salary or not Brodie if he is the best QB at camp or all preseason he should win the job.
Hell if he played better than Cassel this summer as reported, he should of been starting.
Just saying.

KCBOSS1
10-26-2009, 09:17 PM
Thigpen is on the bench and hes playing better than cassel.

No, he was the least of 4. Good athlete, inaccurate. Regret signing Cassel, Yes.

KCBOSS1
10-26-2009, 09:21 PM
I think I'd have rather traded for Kevin Kolb.

I was just thinking that. I was also thinking that I would rather have Leinart I think.

KCBOSS1
10-26-2009, 09:23 PM
For the life of me I don't know why they don't have Croyle hitting the weights 2 or 3 days a week and putting on weight. Also he'll have a bit more confidence in his knee next year. Cassel's salary or not Brodie if he is the best QB at camp or all preseason he should win the job.
Hell if he played better than Cassel this summer as reported, he should of been starting.
Just saying.

I understand why he said he didn't see the benefit of Croyle starting. But we should live by the best player plays, period. I totally agree with you...put this kid on protein and weights. He's not going to be a runner anyway. Oh well, still not likely. What is likely is the Grbac/Gannon deal, where we trade him or somebody else signs him and he becomes an exceptional starter somewhere. I got slammed over this thought preseason, still think we might see it.

tonyetony
10-26-2009, 10:46 PM
I think I'd have rather traded for Kevin Kolb.

Sure you do NOW. So now you want to have the Kolb vs. Cassel debate. Come on man that's ridiculous.

Pioli Zombie
10-26-2009, 10:51 PM
Aint nobody is defending him. He had a f#cked up game and has not looked good this season. But our whole team looks like shit.

All blame can't be put on Cassel. Why does it alway seem that you are so hellbent on proving to us that Cassel sucks. We get it and thanks.
To show that the Chiefs were wrong in not listening to him when he advised them to draft Mark Interceptchez.
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Psyko Tek
10-26-2009, 11:41 PM
The problem is that our offense demands NO respect, therefore the bootleg won't work. If we had a reasonably effective rushing attack we could run it more.

fixed your post

MadMax
10-27-2009, 01:13 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/gamelog;_ylt=Alv5iaYrjohR4slQSz9z.Xf.uLYF

Look at his YPA for yesterdays game...3.9, how the **** do you only have 3.9 yards per attempt in a game?

That is laughably awful.



Jeezus Christ the people on here that suck the guy off have given him bathtub wrinkles. He has and always will be a backup. nothing more. I said it waaay before they signed the guy and said I'd remind them what they said, but why bother they are blind. I hope everyone here enjoys their Qb of the future..I present you Mr. Matt Cassel four years of over,under, sideways,fetaling,QBing pleasure....

MadMax
10-27-2009, 01:15 AM
Aint nobody is defending him. He had a f#cked up game and has not looked good this season. But our whole team looks like shit.

All blame can't be put on Cassel. Why does it alway seem that you are so hellbent on proving to us that Cassel sucks. We get it and thanks.




Yeah DUMBSHIT there is a whole bunch of people defending him, read and see..

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2009, 01:26 AM
So you are saying he couldn't have started for another D1 school? That's nonsense.

You stated the other QB's I mentioned were good enough to start at their schools.

I am just saying had Cassel wanted to go to BYU or Delaware State, or something comparable at the time he could have started. He decided to stay where he signed and compete.

Do you not believe that?

I don't doubt his not getting to start in college set back his career but to say he sucked so bad in college he couldn't start is BS considering where he was at the time.

He never said any of that. He said he wasn't good enough to start in college, which is true. He wasn't good enough to start for his college team. Period.

KCChiefsMan
10-27-2009, 01:27 AM
I keep wanting to say remember Trent Green? not very good at all his first year, we didn't call him TrINT for nothing. He ended up pretty good. I'm not sold on Cassel, but we have to stick with him this year, the whole year through. I don't see any reason to give up on him yet, I bet we lead the league in drops right now and I like his spirit, he seems passionate out there. Too much invested, we are going to sink or swim with Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2009, 01:27 AM
C'mon dude.

The Patriots, whether it was Pioli or Bellichick, decided that Cassel was good enough to be the go-to guy if Brady ever got injured.

Was this before or after they brought in Vinny Testaverde because they were so certain of his play last year?

Bunit
10-27-2009, 01:29 AM
Yeah DUMBSHIT there is a whole bunch of people defending him, read and see..

DUMBSHIT in capitals, Thanks B!tch.

MadMax
10-27-2009, 01:32 AM
DUMBSHIT in capitals, Thanks B!tch.



Nah, sorry bout the dumbshit, no need for me to get personal... :) lol just my way of talking sometimes

Bunit
10-27-2009, 01:44 AM
Nah, sorry bout the dumbshit, no need for me to get personal... :) lol just my way of talking sometimes

Cool. I get that people are making escuses for him too.

I'm not sold on Cassel yet and we could have damned well jumped the gun on ol' boy.

But I don't get that some seem to throw all the blame on him when what we got protecting him is pure shit and he has weapons that constantly drop the ball and can't get seperation.

BigMeatballDave
10-27-2009, 03:04 AM
Can we change the name of this thread to "Mecca is butthurt over not drafting Sanchez"

I wanted Sanchez, too. Cassell is our QB. Deal with it. Bashing him now is pointless until this team can acquire/develop talent. Be pissed at Pioli, he traded for him.

Greens 1st season here was awful too until we got a some pieces in place.

chiefzilla1501
10-27-2009, 05:43 AM
Was this before or after they brought in Vinny Testaverde because they were so certain of his play last year?

Entirely different circumstances. Testaverde was brought in because they weren't sure if Cassel would be healthy enough to last the season and they needed a veteran who could immediately step in and take reps. Cassel was kept on the roster because they believed in his upside.

The_Doctor10
10-27-2009, 06:09 AM
If Kyle Orton is our standard, this trade is a loser.

Maybe... But Kyle Orton's 6-0 and has a horseshoe up his ass. He seems to win regardless of how little talent we all think he has.

luv
10-27-2009, 06:34 AM
Aint nobody is defending him.

English please?

Pioli Zombie
10-27-2009, 06:56 AM
Did the geniuses who all predicted the Chiefs would start out 1-6 ( most said win vs Oakland, loss to everyone) think they would look good going 1-6? People need to relax and look at history. Rebuilding teams usually look worse at first. Parcells first year in NE they started 1-11, included was a nationally televised 45-0 loss to the Jets. I guess they should have fired Parcells. Joe Gibbs Redskins started 0-5 in 1981. Point is, you need to let the year play out. The thing is, Mecca and his boys will rag on them if they went 14-2 because he has to be proven right. Until the Lombardi Trophy is hoisted they will do nothing but bitch about everything because that's what they do. That's their thing. Too bad. Because it ruins the enjoyment
That '93 Patriots won its final 4 games to go 5-11 and it was one of most enjoyable times as a fan I ever had.
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NY CHIEF
10-27-2009, 07:14 AM
Its amazing our qbs are still alive with this ol :doh!:

milkman
10-28-2009, 08:20 AM
For me I was never a Cassel fan and I thought he was a 1 year wonder. But he is a Chief now and I don't want him to fail plus I am going to give Pioli the benefit of the doubt. Most people thought this team was not very good I predicted 4-5 wins and that maybe high now.

I want to see a full offseason with Pioli and everyone in place to see what kind of team he builds. If next year we still suck at 1-6 then the honeymoon will be over at least for me anyway. For others it is already over.

I have very little faith in Pioli at this point.

The fact that he went against the value of the '09 draft and forced an immediate switch to the 34 when a more effective play would have been to place a higher priority on the OL and make the switch with the next draft, a deep defensive draft makes me question his plan.

The fact that the only players he's signing are almost all players that he or Haley have a history with makes me question his talent evaluation.

He better have one hell of an offseason to make me think he's anything more that the Hoodie's glorified ball washer.

milkman
10-28-2009, 08:26 AM
Regret getting rid of thigpen now???

Why would we?

We'd just have a short Cassel clone.

Chiefnj2
10-28-2009, 08:27 AM
The moves made by Pioli, and those not made are real head scratchers.

Defense alone:
- Hiring Clancy to run a 34.
- Not addressing a pass rusher
- Not addressing NT
- Drafting Tyson Jackson at 3 and then using him as a 2 down lineman all year. A top 5 pick on a 2 down player? Yikes.
- Drafting Magee in the 3rd.
- Not being more active in free agency with the front 7.

milkman
10-28-2009, 08:32 AM
Cassel is a better qb, but thigpen can "make shicken salad out of chicken shit" better

No he can't.

Chan Gailey made chicken salad out chicken shit by going to the spraed, much the same as Josh Mcdaniel did in New England with Matt Cassel.

Neither Thigpen or Cassel have shown any talent to play out of a pro set, and Thigpen would be every bit as bad now playing in this offense as he was playing against Atlanta this year.

He was absolutely horrible in the preseason when Cassel was hurt trying to play in this offense.

He actually made us long for Cassel to return.

milkman
10-28-2009, 08:46 AM
How many QB's have had good careers take off later in their careers?

Gannon, Steve Young, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback......

Life does not end at 27.

How many years did Ganno, Steve Young, Trent Green give to their respective teams as staters.

5-6 years?

Young, 7-8 years?

The problem with QBs whose career takes off later in thier careers is that they give you a short window before you have to go out and replace them.

Teams that consistently stay at or near the top of the heap have more stability at QB.

To get that kind of long term stability you have to either find it in the draft or find guys like Brett Favre or Matt Hasselback, guys with only one or two years in the league as backups.

Guys like Matt Cassel are better options for teams further along.

Building a team around a 27 year old career backup is a bad plan.

By the time this team is ready to compete, he'll be 30 and might allow this team to compete for 5-6 years, assuming that he is what Pioli thinks he is, and he doesn't have his confidenc destroyed or his body broken by then.

Bunit
10-28-2009, 10:02 AM
English please?

Sorry Luv. How bout' aint nobody defending him. Better? :D

BossChief
10-28-2009, 10:19 AM
How many years did Ganno, Steve Young, Trent Green give to their respective teams as staters.

5-6 years?

Young, 7-8 years?

The problem with QBs whose career takes off later in thier careers is that they give you a short window before you have to go out and replace them.

Teams that consistently stay at or near the top of the heap have more stability at QB.

To get that kind of long term stability you have to either find it in the draft or find guys like Brett Favre or Matt Hasselback, guys with only one or two years in the league as backups.

Guys like Matt Cassel are better options for teams further along.

Building a team around a 27 year old career backup is a bad plan.

By the time this team is ready to compete, he'll be 30 and might allow this team to compete for 5-6 years, assuming that he is what Pioli thinks he is, and he doesn't have his confidenc destroyed or his body broken by then.
I just hope we can get to see him reach potential. Nobody knows what that is.

BigChiefFan
10-28-2009, 10:23 AM
I've always viewed Cassel as our transitional QB and I believe Pioli does, as well. Pioli is just getting started with the team and wanted somebody he's familiar with that would upgrade the position in the process, buying him some time to focus on other areas.

Some act like we can never draft a QB in the future, because we passed this year and nothing could be further from the truth.

We gave up a SECOND ROUND PICK for a starting QB.

We don't pay him big money for a starting QB.

I fail to see the problem with Pioli's game-plan. He's allowed us to get a player that should help us for the next few years and yet doesn't ruin our cap, so that we can't pursue another QB, if Cassel should faulter.

So many have forgotten, this is YEAR ONE of a complete overhaul of one of the worst teams in the league.

Rooster
10-28-2009, 10:25 AM
I just hope we can get to see him reach potential. Nobody knows what that is.

Actually there are about 5 clowns on here that know everything about everything.

jidar
10-28-2009, 10:29 AM
I'm basically resided to the fact that Cassel is going to start here for atleast 3 or 4 years. Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up that move in the snap of a finger.

Haley will get fired before they move on a QB.

I agree that so far Cassel sucks but seriously what the **** is wrong with you?
How do you go from giving a QB half a season (which you should pretty much do every ****ing time) to we're stuck with him for 4 years? You just love negativity and misery apparently.

milkman
10-28-2009, 10:35 AM
I've always viewed Cassel as our transitional QB and I believe Pioli does, as well. Pioli is just getting started with the team and wanted somebody he's familiar with that would upgrade the position in the process, buying him some time to focus on other areas.

Some act like we can never draft a QB in the future, because we passed this year and nothing could be further from the truth.

We gave up a SECOND ROUND PICK for a starting QB.

We don't pay him big money for a starting QB.

I fail to see the problem with Pioli's game-plan. He's allowed us to get a player that should help us for the next few years and yet doesn't ruin our cap, so that we can't pursue another QB, if Cassel should faulter.

So many have forgotten, this is YEAR ONE of a complete overhaul of one of the worst teams in the league.

I disagree.
I think Cassel is his franchise QB, and he's going to be given a minimum of two years to succeed or fail, and I feel like it may well be three years.
I agree that so far Cassel sucks but seriously what the **** is wrong with you?
How do you go from giving a QB half a season (which you should pretty much do every ****ing time) to we're stuck with him for 4 years? You just love negativity and misery apparently.

I think that mecca sees it much the same as I stated above, though it's apparent he believes that Cassel will be given four years of rope.

milkman
10-28-2009, 10:37 AM
I just hope we can get to see him reach potential. Nobody knows what that is.

You're right, no one really does.

I'm just hoping he can eventually get comfortable in a pro set.

That is very important to his development and growth.

jidar
10-28-2009, 10:40 AM
I disagree.
I think Cassel is his franchise QB, and he's going to be given a minimum of two years to succeed or fail, and I feel like it may well be three years.


I think that mecca sees it much the same as I stated above, though it's apparent he believes that Cassel will be given four years of rope.

Well I can't tell what you've based that opinion on. His contract is certainly built to let the Chiefs out easily if need be.

milkman
10-28-2009, 10:47 AM
Well I can't tell what you've based that opinion on. His contract is certainly built to let the Chiefs out easily if need be.

The contract lets them make a move after the second year, but part of the reason I see it as 3 years is that I just down really see any good QBs in the draft coming down the pipeline after the second year, due in large part to the uncapped year we're staring at.

LaChapelle
10-28-2009, 10:47 AM
Who ever is back there this season is going to take a pounding. No place for Brodie or a rookie. Thigpen would have just stalled the offense from learning how to play in the NFL.

Cassel for a 2nd may just have been the best choice in hindsight.