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Sure-Oz
10-27-2009, 10:51 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1534253.html

Posted on Tue, Oct. 27, 2009
Larry Johnson’s father among those hurt by his remarks
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

His voice comes through soft but pointed. He remembers his childhood in the Jim Crow South and understands the daggers of inequality and the tarnish of discrimination.

“I went through that,” he said. “My generation.”

Larry Johnson Sr. said that he vowed so many years ago that he would teach his children to treat everyone with compassion. He said he raised them to consider everyone equal, regardless of race, gender, beliefs or sexual orientation. He said it hurts that his son, Chiefs running back Larry Johnson, used gay slurs in public two times in 24 hours.

“That’s just not who we are and not what we believe,” said the elder Johnson, 56. “It’s not how he was raised.

“It’s tough for me as a father.”

He said young Larry learned that hateful or inappropriate words are “just not tolerated.”

On Tuesday, Johnson learned that lesson again. After he issued an apology, the Chiefs instructed him to stay away from their headquarters and barred him from all team activities. Johnson remains on the roster, and he will continue to be paid. He was similarly benched for three weeks last season before being suspended by the NFL because of his alleged involvement in separate skirmishes with two women at Kansas City nightspots.

The Chiefs did not say how long Johnson would be out or whether he might face further punishment from the team or the league. An NFL spokesman said this week that the league is investigating the matter. But Johnson wasn’t at the team’s complex Tuesday, and his locker was undisturbed.

It was at that locker where Johnson muttered a gay slur to reporters on Monday morning, hours after he posted disparaging remarks on his Twitter profile about Chiefs coach Todd Haley’s lack of football playing experience.

“Get your faggot ass out of here,” Johnson said after saying he wouldn’t speak publicly until Thursday, his normal day of meeting with the media.

On Tuesday, Johnson apologized in a statement released by his agent, Peter Schaffer. Neither incident was addressed specifically, and the apology was directed toward Haley, the Chiefs’ fans, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and Johnson’s teammates.

“I regret my actions,” the statement read. “The words were used by me in frustration, and they were not appropriate. I did not intend to offend anyone, but that is no excuse for what I said.”

Rashad Robinson, senior programs director for the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, said Johnson’s apology was a good start. Robinson said it was a sign that Johnson takes seriously the inflammatory nature of the slurs, and Robinson said he hopes Johnson learned the hard way that words can be damaging.

“For him to use the word and feel that it’s OK,” Robinson said, “it’s disappointing and really reminds us of the ongoing challenges we have in our community.

“We hope the statement is the first step. He has a real opportunity here. There are kids no doubt being bullied in Kansas City and across the country. This is one of the many words that get hurled at them to … feel ashamed of who they are. He (Johnson) is in an opportunity to be a role model for young people.”

Johnson’s father was his role model, and the old coach said his son’s words didn’t match what he was taught. Johnson Sr., the defensive line coach at Penn State University, was raised in Williamston, N.C., and he remembers the segregated water fountains and the split schools.

He said that his son is not homophobic and that he was raised with an emphasis on equality.

“Both sides of the world,” Johnson Sr. called it, and he said his son grew up knowing the difference between right and wrong.

The problem for Johnson is that he hasn’t always put his upbringing to good use. His Chiefs’ career has been stained by messy incidents, arrests and an attitude the team hoped had improved as he approaches his 30th birthday.

About a year ago, around the time Johnson was benched and suspended, Johnson tried to cleanse some parts of his life and the way he was perceived. He hired a new agent, Schaffer, who wouldn’t coddle him, and that was part of the plan to reinvent Johnson as a self-aware, if not reformed, NFL player.

“If someone is doing something I don’t perceive as being socially acceptable,” Schaffer said, “I express myself. But at the end of the day, the client makes the decision.

“I really believe that Larry Johnson has matured a great deal in the last 18 months.”

But then Sunday happened, and Johnson turned to Twitter. This message was posted to Johnson’s profile about three hours after the Chiefs lost 37-7 to the San Diego Chargers: “My father played for the coach from ‘rememeber the titans’. Our coach played golf. My father played for redskins briefley. Our coach. Nuthn.”

Johnson Sr. said he spoke with his son about the tweets and that, while he was flattered that his son was trying to compliment his father’s coaching abilities, he could have found a more diplomatic way of doing it.

“Could he have done it a little differently?” the elder Johnson said. “Sure.”

Larry Johnson later posted two derogatory references to gays, including writing to one of his Twitter followers that his profile included a “fag pic.”

Through a spokesman, Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt referred The Kansas City Star to the team’s statement on Johnson’s benching, which said the Chiefs are “continuing to investigate the alleged comments made by Larry Johnson. Until that review is complete, the Chiefs have instructed Larry to refrain from practicing with the Chiefs or participating in other team activities.”

Haley said he hoped that the Chiefs’ latest obstacle would somehow make the team tougher, similar to a practice last week in a cold, steady rain.

“I want, first and foremost, a mentally tough team,” Haley said, “and this will be part of that hardening.

“I truly believe that this will all be part of making us a team that is competitive and has a chance to win Super Bowls.”

Johnson Sr. said his son wants to be a part of the Chiefs as the team moves toward the future. He said his son still enjoys football and wants to finish his career in Kansas City. He said he fears that, despite the progress he said his son made in the past 12 months, that Johnson will now be known as an angry bigot who’s not in control of his words or actions. Johnson Sr. said his son’s latest outburst began with frustration and ended with a mistake — a mistake the elder Johnson said he hopes does not define his son.

“Now you’re labeled,” Johnson Sr. said. “It’s unfortunate.”

He said his son is different.

“He does not hate gays. That’s not Larry, and that’s not our family,” he said. “He’s my son. You can’t disown him. We just talk to him, listen to him, and help him move forward.”

@ Go to KansasCity.com and the Red Zone for the latest news on Larry Johnson and the Chiefs.

DaneMcCloud
10-27-2009, 10:55 PM
Wow.

Larry, jr. is a bigger asshole than I could have possibly imagined.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2009, 11:00 PM
This entire story is just sad and pathetic.

Larry Johnson is a deeply troubled person, and despite all the money and fame, it's obvious that the guy is completely unhappy. I actually feel sorry for him. He just doesn't get it. And he probably never will. He seems resigned to a life of misery.

Guru
10-27-2009, 11:00 PM
I feel for his father.

Claynus
10-27-2009, 11:03 PM
This entire story is just sad and pathetic.

Larry Johnson is a deeply troubled person, and despite all the money and fame, it's obvious that the guy is completely unhappy. I actually feel sorry for him. He just doesn't get it. And he probably never will. He seems resigned to a life of misery.

He probably just needs to get away from white people.

KCrockaholic
10-27-2009, 11:05 PM
I feel for his father.

His father is a jackass too ya know. I don't feel for any of them. They bring whatever happens upon themselves. They've put themselves in their own misery.

DaneMcCloud
10-27-2009, 11:07 PM
His father is a jackass too ya know. I don't feel for any of them. They bring whatever happens upon themselves. They've put themselves in their own misery.

What?

Why is his father a "jackass".

If you're going to spew bullshit like this, back it the fuck up, Dumbass.

Sure-Oz
10-27-2009, 11:11 PM
His father is a jackass too ya know. I don't feel for any of them. They bring whatever happens upon themselves. They've put themselves in their own misery.

How is his father a jackass

DaneMcCloud
10-27-2009, 11:14 PM
How is his father a jackass

This freakin' cuntard should be neg repped back to the Stone Age.

He's a freakin' moron.

KCrockaholic
10-27-2009, 11:15 PM
I just like to say shit to irritate you.

DBOSHO
10-27-2009, 11:17 PM
Yeah, dumbass!

Back it the fuck up.

stormtrooper
10-27-2009, 11:17 PM
pillowbiters do suck but so does larry

KCrockaholic
10-27-2009, 11:19 PM
Yeah, dumbass!

Back it the **** up.

lol, sorry, but Thigpen? Still?

blazzin311
10-27-2009, 11:19 PM
I feel for his father.

Me too. By all accounts, he seems like a very nice guy, and a pretty decent coach as well. Too bad his son is such an asshole.

Sure-Oz
10-27-2009, 11:22 PM
I just like to say shit to irritate you.

Don't be a dumbass

DBOSHO
10-27-2009, 11:26 PM
lol, sorry, but Thigpen? Still?

We are getting him back this offseason.

I thought id save myself the trouble of changing it then.

Fruit Ninja
10-27-2009, 11:29 PM
lol, sorry, but Thigpen? Still?

UP too this point, Cassel isnt much better and just as inaccurate. lol At least with Thigpen we moved the ball a little. lol

KCrockaholic
10-27-2009, 11:30 PM
UP too this point, Cassel isnt much better and just as inaccurate. lol At least with Thigpen we moved the ball a little. lol

He plays for the Chiefs. I'm not gonna put a Jared Allen pic on my profile either.

DBOSHO
10-27-2009, 11:31 PM
UP too this point, Cassel isnt much better and just as inaccurate. lol At least with Thigpen we moved the ball a little. lol

This. I wish wed give brodie another chance. Ice come to like him

DBOSHO
10-27-2009, 11:32 PM
He plays for the Chiefs. I'm not gonna put a Jared Allen pic on my profile either.

Fine geeez ill change it tomorrow.

Reaper16
10-27-2009, 11:33 PM
His father is a jackass too ya know. I don't feel for any of them. They bring whatever happens upon themselves. They've put themselves in their own misery.
Get the fuck out.

jAZ
10-27-2009, 11:50 PM
He said his son is different.

“He does not hate gays.”
I think he most definately does. That's pretty hard to dispute given his remarks.

Mr. Flopnuts
10-27-2009, 11:59 PM
When this first went down I had posted that somewhere, Larry's Dad was ashamed of him. This article backs that up.

"You can't disown him. You can just talk to him, listen to him."

That speaks volumes.

KCrockaholic
10-27-2009, 11:59 PM
I think he most definately does. That's pretty hard to dispute given his remarks.

I don't know if this proves that he hates gay people. Sure the remarks are offensive to say publicly, but many people make gay slurs and jokes all the time. Its part of life. In a way it degrades gay people but I don't think most people mean to actually poke fun at the fact of a homosexual. I say stuff sometimes jokingly about homosexuals to be funny, but I have nothing against gay people at all. Its in movies, songs, plays, all the time. People still make racist jokes about blacks, whites, Mexicans, and all sorts of people, but that doesn't mean they are racist. If that was the case Larry would be racist and a homophobe. So would nearly every other normal person in the world who has ever said anything degrading about another race....Maybe he does hate gay people? But nothing shows me proof of this.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 12:02 AM
He needs to apologize to the team and coach more so than he does to people he "offended" calling them faqqots.

The whole gay organizations getting in the middle of this doens't make any sense. Kinda like the clowns Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when they get in the middle of something considered racially motivated, or when they want to skew it that way.

I'm more than sure LJ doesn't hate gays. I don't hate gays. Doesn't mean I don't use the word faqqot a lot because to be honest I do use it a lot, and especially joking around with the guys etc. And I bet he does too. A lot of people do, and to be honest I don't think it's at all like calling a back person the N-word. It's much different.

Should have LJ handled that differently? Sure. His remarks about the coach reflect the team, which is the most important. I understand his frustrations with the team. They havent won nearly shit in 2-3 seasons. 7-31 is the Chiefs record since the last few seasons including this current one. LJ's performaces reflect this obviously. His comments made about the coach and his credentials are very uncalled for. There are coaches out there that are great coaches that never played professionally. Belichick to be named....and Haley grew up around some of the greatest football people EVER.

The whole faqqot calling is stupid. It's minor. The reporters need to sack up and grow a pair. Jesus Christ...seriously. It's a locker room after a game in which they just got their asses kicked....this isn't nearly as bad as some of the shit players like Michael Irvin used to do. Guys call eachother faqqots, queers, pussies, etc all the time. It doesn't require an apology or press conference apologizing. Uncalled for IMO. Stupid, waste of time. If anything, suspend his ass for his comments to the coach.

-King-
10-28-2009, 12:04 AM
I think he most definately does. That's pretty hard to dispute given his remarks.

Doubt it. The only reason it's a big deal now is because it's out in the public and on one occasion it was directed toward the media. If you walk into an NFL locker room, you will probably hear it 100 times. That doesn't mean they hate gays. LJ's an asshole, but to say he's a homophobe is going too far.

KCrockaholic
10-28-2009, 12:04 AM
He needs to apologize to the team and coach more so than he does to people he "offended" calling them faqqots.

The whole gay organizations getting in the middle of this doens't make any sense. Kinda like the clowns Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when they get in the middle of something considered racially motivated, or when they want to skew it that way.

I'm more than sure LJ doesn't hate gays. I don't hate gays. Doesn't mean I don't use the word faqqot a lot. And I bet he does too. A lot of people do, and to be honest I don't think it's at all like calling a back person the N-word. It's much different.

Should have LJ handled that differently? Sure. His remarks about the coach reflect the team, which is the most important. I understand his frustrations with the team. They havent won nearly shit in 2-3 seasons. 7-31 is the Chiefs record since the last few seasons including this current one. LJ's performaces reflect this obviously. His comments made about the coach and his credentials are very uncalled for. There are coaches out there that are great coaches that never played professionally. Belichick to be named....and Haley grew up around some of the greatest football people EVER.

The whole faqqot calling is stupid. It's minor. The reporters need to sack up and grow a pair. Jesus Christ...seriously. It's a locker room after a game in which they just got their asses kicked....this isn't nearly as bad as some of the shit players like Michael Irvin used to do. Guys call eachother faqqots, queers, pussies, etc all the time. It doesn't require an apology or press conference apologizing. Uncalled for IMO. Stupid, waste of time. If anything, suspend his ass for his comments to the coach.

Pretty much this...

Demonpenz
10-28-2009, 12:05 AM
his dad should be sorry about his 2.5 yards per carry. Terrible sperm there jackass

-King-
10-28-2009, 12:06 AM
He needs to apologize to the team and coach more so than he does to people he "offended" calling them faqqots.

The whole gay organizations getting in the middle of this doens't make any sense. Kinda like the clowns Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when they get in the middle of something considered racially motivated, or when they want to skew it that way.

I'm more than sure LJ doesn't hate gays. I don't hate gays. Doesn't mean I don't use the word faqqot a lot. And I bet he does too. A lot of people do, and to be honest I don't think it's at all like calling a back person the N-word. It's much different.

Should have LJ handled that differently? Sure. His remarks about the coach reflect the team, which is the most important. I understand his frustrations with the team. They havent won nearly shit in 2-3 seasons. 7-31 is the Chiefs record since the last few seasons including this current one. LJ's performaces reflect this obviously. His comments made about the coach and his credentials are very uncalled for. There are coaches out there that are great coaches that never played professionally. Belichick to be named....and Haley grew up around some of the greatest football people EVER.

The whole faqqot calling is stupid. It's minor. The reporters need to sack up and grow a pair. Jesus Christ...seriously. It's a locker room after a game in which they just got their asses kicked....this isn't nearly as bad as some of the shit players like Michael Irvin used to do. Guys call eachother faqqots, queers, pussies, etc all the time. It doesn't require an apology or press conference apologizing. Uncalled for IMO. Stupid, waste of time. If anything, suspend his ass for his comments to the coach.


This.


Side note. If he would have called the reporters pussies, would he have to apologize to all women?

KCrockaholic
10-28-2009, 12:08 AM
his dad should be sorry about his 2.5 yards per carry. Terrible sperm there jackass

ROFL ok, funny, but just to clear it up, I don't actually think Larry Sr. is a jackass. I just knew it would be funny to see what douche could come up with tonight. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten his lines patent as much as he uses them.

KCrockaholic
10-28-2009, 12:08 AM
This.


Side note. If he would have called the reporters pussies, would he have to apologize to all women?

Just their pussies.

chiefzilla1501
10-28-2009, 12:15 AM
He needs to apologize to the team and coach more so than he does to people he "offended" calling them faqqots.

The whole gay organizations getting in the middle of this doens't make any sense. Kinda like the clowns Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when they get in the middle of something considered racially motivated, or when they want to skew it that way.

I'm more than sure LJ doesn't hate gays. I don't hate gays. Doesn't mean I don't use the word faqqot a lot. And I bet he does too. A lot of people do, and to be honest I don't think it's at all like calling a back person the N-word. It's much different.

Should have LJ handled that differently? Sure. His remarks about the coach reflect the team, which is the most important. I understand his frustrations with the team. They havent won nearly shit in 2-3 seasons. 7-31 is the Chiefs record since the last few seasons including this current one. LJ's performaces reflect this obviously. His comments made about the coach and his credentials are very uncalled for. There are coaches out there that are great coaches that never played professionally. Belichick to be named....and Haley grew up around some of the greatest football people EVER.

The whole faqqot calling is stupid. It's minor. The reporters need to sack up and grow a pair. Jesus Christ...seriously. It's a locker room after a game in which they just got their asses kicked....this isn't nearly as bad as some of the shit players like Michael Irvin used to do. Guys call eachother faqqots, queers, pussies, etc all the time. It doesn't require an apology or press conference apologizing. Uncalled for IMO. Stupid, waste of time. If anything, suspend his ass for his comments to the coach.

I hope you're kidding. It wasn't just a reporter. It wasn't joking around with his pals. He called a fan a fag and then told him he must hang out in some gay area. What do you mean he doesn't have to apologize? If I ever did that where I worked, I wouldn't even have a chance to apologize. I would be canned and HR would do everything they could to avoid a PR nightmare.

Don't excuse somebody for being a dipshit.

chiefzilla1501
10-28-2009, 12:19 AM
I know I'll get grilled for this, but what do we actually know about his Dad other than the stuff they wrote in this puff piece? Sure, I feel for the Dad, but how do we know he's not responsible for LJ growing up and becoming what he is? Sorry, but the majority of the time, a kid is a reflection of his upbringing. Kids make mistakes, but this is the umpteenth time this has happened.

Andy Reid's a nice guy. And his players think he's the most amazing "Dad" to them. Years later, you learn that he paid no attention to his kids and they grew up as reject junkies.

Again, I'm sure he's a nice guy. But let's not pretend that parents aren't at least somewhat responsible for the behavior of their kids, especially when it happens over and over again.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 12:24 AM
I hope you're kidding. It wasn't just a reporter. It wasn't joking around with his pals. He called a fan a pillowbiter and then told him he must hang out in some gay area. What do you mean he doesn't have to apologize? If I ever did that where I worked, I wouldn't even have a chance to apologize. I would be canned and HR would do everything they could to avoid a PR nightmare.

Don't excuse somebody for being a dipshit.

Real workplace/office scenario etc ====> NFL locker room.

You don't think there's a difference in the kind of environment/slang speech that's said????

So what he called a fan a faqqot? Who cares. Let me ask you this? Have you ever called someone a faqqot/queer etc? And when you did, did you apologize later? I bet you didn't.

People need to quit comparing real life workplaces etc to the NFL lifestyle because it's much different. Football is a ****ing game people. I understand it's considered their "job"...but let's be honest...they didn't go to college to ****ing get a degree to get a job outside of football. They went to college to improve their game to eventually get drafted into the NFL. This whole, "well I'd get called into HR and would get canned immediately" really to be honest doesn't apply here.

This is a league, where there are dog killers, murderers, people who've committed manslaughter, players use the N-word like it's their second language, all kinds of cursing and slurs being yelled at on the sidelines. The NFL is much different than "your job".

Look at Haley....perfect example. The way he talks to players, going ballistic at refs on the sidelines yelling out F-bombs left and right. If "your boss" at "your job" would do something like that would he be canned?!?!? There's a good chance he might. In your words he'd be canned immediately and HR would get in the middle of it. Like I said......the NFL and your job comparison doesn't apply here. MUCH different.

Example:
Scenario #1 NFL locker room
Player A says to Player B "Yo ni**er grab me that towel over there"

Result: Player B gets the towel for Player A, and that's that. End of story. Player A now has his towel that he needed.

Scenario #2 Your Office Cubicle
Worker A says to Worker B "Yo ni**er, grab me that stack of papers over there"

Result: Worker B gets offended, goes to management to complain, Worker A gets called in, gets reprimanded or possibly even fired, HR tries to cover up this situation from being "racially motivated"

Guru
10-28-2009, 12:24 AM
I know I'll get grilled for this, but what do we actually know about his Dad other than the stuff they wrote in this puff piece? Sure, I feel for the Dad, but how do we know he's not responsible for LJ growing up and becoming what he is? Sorry, but the majority of the time, a kid is a reflection of his upbringing. Kids make mistakes, but this is the umpteenth time this has happened.

Andy Reid's a nice guy. And his players think he's the most amazing "Dad" to them. Years later, you learn that he paid no attention to his kids and they grew up as reject junkies.

Again, I'm sure he's a nice guy. But let's not pretend that parents aren't at least somewhat responsible for the behavior of their kids, especially when it happens over and over again.To some extent you may be right. However, sometimes the nut falls far from the tree and rolls down the hill too.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 12:27 AM
I know I'll get grilled for this, but what do we actually know about his Dad other than the stuff they wrote in this puff piece? Sure, I feel for the Dad, but how do we know he's not responsible for LJ growing up and becoming what he is? Sorry, but the majority of the time, a kid is a reflection of his upbringing. Kids make mistakes, but this is the umpteenth time this has happened.

Andy Reid's a nice guy. And his players think he's the most amazing "Dad" to them. Years later, you learn that he paid no attention to his kids and they grew up as reject junkies.

Again, I'm sure he's a nice guy. But let's not pretend that parents aren't at least somewhat responsible for the behavior of their kids, especially when it happens over and over again.

Eh I dont know how much I'd put into this. From what I've heard/read LJ's upbringing as a child was as normal as one could be. He wasn't raised on the streets, his Dad gave him for the most part, a level head.

This is just actions of an overpaid young athlete with a "**** you I'm rich, I don't care" attitude if anything. Money, fame, celeb stature can change a person. And it really all starts in college. You see stars being groomed at big programs that have lots of booster money etc in their programs...and these guys are being given money under the table, being given cars etc. They're treated like kings at their respected schools. The "fuck you I can do what I want, I'm better than you" attitude starts there.

KCrockaholic
10-28-2009, 12:27 AM
I know I'll get grilled for this, but what do we actually know about his Dad other than the stuff they wrote in this puff piece? Sure, I feel for the Dad, but how do we know he's not responsible for LJ growing up and becoming what he is? Sorry, but the majority of the time, a kid is a reflection of his upbringing. Kids make mistakes, but this is the umpteenth time this has happened.

Andy Reid's a nice guy. And his players think he's the most amazing "Dad" to them. Years later, you learn that he paid no attention to his kids and they grew up as reject junkies.

Again, I'm sure he's a nice guy. But let's not pretend that parents aren't at least somewhat responsible for the behavior of their kids, especially when it happens over and over again.

This is very true. But like everyone here we don't know Larry's dad. You can say nice things, or whatever but the bottom line is nobody knows what kind of person he really is. Maybe he treated his wife poorly and that's where LJ learned how to treat women by spitting drinks on them, and shoving them around. He had to have learned it somewhere. Its just like dealing with a 3 year old.

chiefzilla1501
10-28-2009, 12:42 AM
Real workplace/office scenario etc ====> NFL locker room.

You don't think there's a difference in the kind of environment/slang speech that's said????

So what he called a fan a faqqot? Who cares. Let me ask you this? Have you ever called someone a faqqot/queer etc? And when you did, did you apologize later? I bet you didn't.

People need to quit comparing real life workplaces etc to the NFL lifestyle because it's much different. Football is a ****ing game people. I understand it's considered their "job"...but let's be honest...they didn't go to college to ****ing get a degree to get a job outside of football. They went to college to improve their game to eventually get drafted into the NFL. This whole, "well I'd get called into HR and would get canned immediately" really to be honest doesn't apply here.

This is a league, where there are dog killers, murderers, people who've committed manslaughter, players use the N-word like it's their second language, all kinds of cursing and slurs being yelled at on the sidelines. Football is much different than "you job".

Look at Haley....perfect example. The way he talks to players, going ballistic at refs on the sidelines yelling out F-bombs left and right. If "your boss" at "your job" would do something like that would he be canned?!?!? Absolutely. In your words he'd be canned immediately and HR would get in the middle of it. Like I said......the NFL and your job comparison doesn't apply here. MUCH different.

You are absolutely wrong on this.

There is a distinct difference between the things you say in private, and the things you say in public. Players may use the "N word" in the locker room or around friends, but if they ever said it in an interview, they would get grilled to pieces for it. It would be on Oprah, ESPN, and draw all kinds of negative attention and create a distraction for the NFL and the team that they shouldn't have to deal with.
If they called a fan that? I can guarantee there'd be all kinds of shit to pay. And apparently you haven't worked in an office before. Lots of people, whether entry level or vice president, throw the F bomb left and right. The minute they say a slur, it's a huge HR concern.

You're pretending it's not a problem. Because of what you claim is one innocent comment, Haley and the team is forced to deal with a major distraction, you've got gay and lesbian groups coming out the wazoo harassing the Chiefs, Roger Goodell, Haley, Pioli. And yes, given that LJ is a public figure, his message reached a lot of people and there are a lot of people who were probably offended.

Playing in the NFL is a job. You represent the NFL. You represent the team. It doesn't give you license to be above the rules. What he did was a completely dipshit thing to do. You can't defend stupidity. A few years ago, Tagliabue let players get away with everything, and players took advantage of that and embarrassed the league (hello Pac-man and Chris Henry). That's not going to happen again.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 01:20 AM
You are absolutely wrong on this.

There is a distinct difference between the things you say in private, and the things you say in public. Players may use the "N word" in the locker room or around friends, but if they ever said it in an interview, they would get grilled to pieces for it. It would be on Oprah, ESPN, and draw all kinds of negative attention and create a distraction for the NFL and the team that they shouldn't have to deal with.
If they called a fan that? I can guarantee there'd be all kinds of shit to pay. And apparently you haven't worked in an office before. Lots of people, whether entry level or vice president, throw the F bomb left and right. The minute they say a slur, it's a huge HR concern.

You're pretending it's not a problem. Because of what you claim is one innocent comment, Haley and the team is forced to deal with a major distraction, you've got gay and lesbian groups coming out the wazoo harassing the Chiefs, Roger Goodell, Haley, Pioli. And yes, given that LJ is a public figure, his message reached a lot of people and there are a lot of people who were probably offended.

Playing in the NFL is a job. You represent the NFL. You represent the team. It doesn't give you license to be above the rules. What he did was a completely dipshit thing to do. You can't defend stupidity. A few years ago, Tagliabue let players get away with everything, and players took advantage of that and embarrassed the league (hello Pac-man and Chris Henry). That's not going to happen again.

I'm not saying LJ was right....I just don't think it needs a big press conference with an apology. In my first original post, the coach bashing is a lot more serious than calling some KC star douchebag media member and/or a fan a faqqot. Should he go up maybe privately and apologize? Sure I guess he could do that....but these gay organizations etc getting in the middle of this....uncalled for and is no different than Jackson or Sharpton getting in the media calling people racists for whatever reasons. "Oops, someone called someone a faqqot, oh look he's a celebrity/athlete, he better issue some kind of apology or else". That's ****ing ignorant and stupid IMO.

And yes I do work in an office setting. I know what this is all about. And I dont think you're understanding what I'm saying. If your boss talked to you the way Haley talks to his players and yells at the refs....your boss would get fired....at least I know mine would.

It's a completely different scenario. And this wasn't even an interview. From what I remember he told a media member to "get your faqqot ass outa here" Does that require a press conference and an apology open to the public? No. It's stupid and a waste of time. You have to remember the press are the ones that enter the locker rooms after a game to ask frustrated players how they feel after an asskicking. Now I'm not saying what LJ did was right. I just think this is being WAAAY blown out of water here. So he called someone a faqqot....so what, make him apologize to him and move on like it didn't happen. BFD.

There's cussing/sluring ALL OVER the NFL whether it's on the field, sidelines, in the locker room, during film sessions. It's a game that involves coaches and players. Are the coaches considered their boss? Yes, but it's still a coach-player relationship.....MUCH DIFFERENT than the relationship you have with your boss at your job. Your boss I doubt holds team meetings with your co-workers and chews them out cussing at them. I'm surprised as hell if they do, because mine would be fired one the spot if they did that. I can imagine what watching film with Haley or Gunther was like. There were times I remember where Gunther would tell Herm to go upstairs because he needed to chew out the defense, because "sometimes they need to be talked to that way" would be Gun's excuse.

That doesn't work in an office setting in the real world. I don't care what you say. Like I said this is a game where there's a player-coach relationship that is nothing like an employee/supervisor relationship in the real jobplace.

And I don't get youre argument about Tagliabue. Because Goodell has also had problems with Pac Man, Vick, Plaxico, Stallworth. Coaches and commissioners aren't baby sitters. Whether who's the coach / commish, players are gonna do what they're gonna do and it's whether or not they get caught...a lot of them are young, and have shit tons of money to blow. That presents immediate problems if they can't make THEIR OWN rational decisions.

jAZ
10-28-2009, 01:22 AM
I'll just post this in response to several posts.

I think we can all agree that LJ's comments were no joke. So let's put that assumption aside entirely. And I'll concent that in other situtations, it's entirely possible to say someone is a "f@ggot" and have it be a joke. That's not what happened here.

Beyond that, most every common use of the term "f@ggot" is intended as a pejorative. And "f@ggot" is an extreme pejorative that is has the effect it does specifically because it elicits an overwhelmingly negative reaction based on the visceral disgust straight men often have at the thought of two men french kissing each other or having anal sex.

Anyone who's ever had someone close to them, that they really care about, that is gay... will recognize how harsh and just unacceptable that term is. And when used as a pejorative, it's *exactly* like "n!gger" but for an entirely different community.

And if you hate the mere thought homosexuality, that's real hate.

Otter
10-28-2009, 01:42 AM
I'll just post this in response to several posts.

I think we can all agree that LJ's comments were no joke. So let's put that assumption aside entirely. And I'll concent that in other situtations, it's entirely possible to say someone is a "f@ggot" and have it be a joke. That's not what happened here.

Beyond that, most every common use of the term "f@ggot" is intended as a pejorative. And "f@ggot" is an extreme pejorative that is has the effect it does specifically because it elicits an overwhelmingly negative reaction based on the visceral disgust straight men often have at the thought of two men french kissing each other or having anal sex.

Anyone who's ever had someone close to them, that they really care about, that is gay... will recognize how harsh and just unacceptable that term is. And when used as a pejorative, it's *exactly* like "n!gger" but for an entirely different community.

And if you hate the mere thought homosexuality, that's real hate.

If I was gay and my boyfriend gave two shits about what somebody they never met, will never meet and has no part in his life started caring about being called a "pillowbiter" by the above person in question I'd donkey punch him with a brick in the back of the head during anal.

I mean how big of a **** do you have to be to get upset over this if you were gay?

Maybe people need to learn to brush things off and quit being a whining, sniveling little bitch about such little things in life. I hope whoever you're speaking of in the above paragraph is OK and Larry using the term "pillowbiter" didn't ruin his life...let us know if he makes it to work tomorrow or if he has to be hospitalized for year of therapy will ya Jaz?

I don't like Larry either and I'll be glad when he's gone but turning this into a gay rights parade is ridiculous to feel sorry because someone used the word "pillowbiter".

Cry me a ****ing river. Did these people grow up in gay candy land that it still effects them to read in the paper an athlete who they never met used the term "pillowbiter"?

Give me a break. :deevee:

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 01:45 AM
I'll just post this in response to several posts.

I think we can all agree that LJ's comments were no joke. So let's put that assumption aside entirely. And I'll concent that in other situtations, it's entirely possible to say someone is a "f@ggot" and have it be a joke. That's not what happened here.
I agree it's not a joke, LJ's statement was out of frustration, but faqqot and the way he used it really was taken out of context a lot because of what you mentioned below. Guys use that term A LOT, but for different reasons than calling someone gay.

Beyond that, most every common use of the term "f@ggot" is intended as a pejorative. And "f@ggot" is an extreme pejorative that is has the effect it does specifically because it elicits an overwhelmingly negative reaction based on the visceral disgust straight men often have at the thought of two men french kissing each other or having anal sex.
I will mostly agree with this.

Anyone who's ever had someone close to them, that they really care about, that is gay... will recognize how harsh and just unacceptable that term is. And when used as a pejorative, it's *exactly* like "n!gger" but for an entirely different community.
This I don't agree with at all. One deals with race history of slavery and one deals with sexual preference. Completely different.

SPchief
10-28-2009, 01:49 AM
get this shit out of the lounge and into DC...Seriously do you guys read what you post?

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 01:53 AM
If I was gay and my boyfriend gave two shits about what somebody they never met, will never meet and has no part in his life started caring about being called a "pillowbiter" by the above person in question I'd donkey punch him with a brick in the back of the head during anal.

I mean how big of a **** do you have to be to get upset over this if you were gay?

Maybe people need to learn to brush things off and quit being a whining, sniveling little bitch about such little things in life. I hope whoever you're speaking of in the above paragraph is OK and Larry using the term "pillowbiter" didn't ruin his life...let us know if he makes it to work tomorrow or if he has to be hospitalized for year of therapy will ya Jaz?

I don't like Larry either and I'll be glad when he's gone but turning this into a gay rights parade is ridiculous to feel sorry because someone used the word "pillowbiter".

Cry me a ****ing river. Did these people grow up in gay candy land that it still effects them to read in the paper an athlete who they never met used the term "pillowbiter"?

Give me a break. :deevee:

Pretty much how I think of this whole thing. The pussification of America continues...because "Times have changed" Thou shall not call people faqqots because the gay community will get angry and march their parade into your backyard.

What happens 100 years from now when people are whining because people with Beastiality fetishes want to be treated fairly??? I'm serious, yes I'm getting off track here but the point is will times change in society that will allow this? When will this kinda shit end? This is already happening in places like rural Utah and Montana. "Hey I wanna fuck my dog or cow, and it should be okay to do so, I want to be treated fairly and have protected rights". REALLY?!?!?

jAZ
10-28-2009, 02:22 AM
This I don't agree with at all. One deals with race history of slavery and one deals with sexual preference. Completely different.

That comes down to an assumption that being gay isn't as much an element of who you are as is skin color. I have a somewhat neuanced view on that subject.

I there is a range of people who call themselves gay. Some of who are gay for personal reasons (lifestyle, lack of success with opposite success, etc). But a portion are biologically defined as gay in the same way that someone is biologically black or white. And while some people focus on the lifestylers, I think the only thing that matters ultimately is that some portion of them are really, truely, biologically gay.

mikey23545
10-28-2009, 02:45 AM
If I was gay and my boyfriend gave two shits about what somebody they never met, will never meet and has no part in his life started caring about being called a "pillowbiter" by the above person in question I'd donkey punch him with a brick in the back of the head during anal.

I mean how big of a **** do you have to be to get upset over this if you were gay?

Maybe people need to learn to brush things off and quit being a whining, sniveling little bitch about such little things in life. I hope whoever you're speaking of in the above paragraph is OK and Larry using the term "pillowbiter" didn't ruin his life...let us know if he makes it to work tomorrow or if he has to be hospitalized for year of therapy will ya Jaz?

I don't like Larry either and I'll be glad when he's gone but turning this into a gay rights parade is ridiculous to feel sorry because someone used the word "pillowbiter".

Cry me a ****ing river. Did these people grow up in gay candy land that it still effects them to read in the paper an athlete who they never met used the term "pillowbiter"?

Give me a break. :deevee:

I absolutely agree with every point in this post.

Rep headed your way.

mikey23545
10-28-2009, 02:47 AM
I'll just post this in response to several posts.

I think we can all agree that LJ's comments were no joke. So let's put that assumption aside entirely. And I'll concent that in other situtations, it's entirely possible to say someone is a "f@ggot" and have it be a joke. That's not what happened here.

Beyond that, most every common use of the term "f@ggot" is intended as a pejorative. And "f@ggot" is an extreme pejorative that is has the effect it does specifically because it elicits an overwhelmingly negative reaction based on the visceral disgust straight men often have at the thought of two men french kissing each other or having anal sex.

Anyone who's ever had someone close to them, that they really care about, that is gay... will recognize how harsh and just unacceptable that term is. And when used as a pejorative, it's *exactly* like "n!gger" but for an entirely different community.

And if you hate the mere thought homosexuality, that's real hate.

You're an overly sensitive, whiny pussy.

Raiderhater58
10-28-2009, 03:22 AM
I blame Hip Hop

Chiefs=Good
10-28-2009, 03:43 AM
Wow some people are really butt hurt over this topic...























Chiefs=Good (I=Suck): I regret my actions. The words 'butt' and 'hurt' were used by me in flustration, and they were not appropriate. I did not intend to offend anyone, but that is no excuse for what I said. I merely tried 'to hurt them verbally'. I was also just trying to say that some people obviously have 'hurt' theyre 'butts' by spending a lot of time typing big responses to this thread...

eazyb81
10-28-2009, 05:03 AM
I think he most definately does. That's pretty hard to dispute given his remarks.

I thought the best quote was when LJ said in his apology that he didn't mean to offend anyone.

Really? I'm pretty sure you did, considering that's the entire reason you use derogatory names.

PhillyChiefFan
10-28-2009, 05:51 AM
His father is a jackass too ya know. I don't feel for any of them. They bring whatever happens upon themselves. They've put themselves in their own misery.

I have met the guy on a few occasions before and after LJ was drafted.

He is not a jackass at all. He is very nice, quite and humble.

I spoke to him for about 20 mins when he was making an appearance at a fundraiser before the PA All Star game, and he extremely nice to me and my dad and thanked US for coming to the fundraiser and being fans.

Nothing like his son, so don't make that comparison if you don't know what you are talking about. I think the man is genuinely upset by the mistakes his son has made.

Inspector
10-28-2009, 06:02 AM
Fathers, if they are bonded with their sons, are very effected by what their kid does and says - especially in such a public way.

Anyway, I thought that "F" word was slang for a cigarette. It was when I was a kid.

Times have changed.

King_Chief_Fan
10-28-2009, 06:10 AM
I'll just post this in response to several posts.

I think we can all agree that LJ's comments were no joke. So let's put that assumption aside entirely. And I'll concent that in other situtations, it's entirely possible to say someone is a "f@ggot" and have it be a joke. That's not what happened here.

Beyond that, most every common use of the term "f@ggot" is intended as a pejorative. And "f@ggot" is an extreme pejorative that is has the effect it does specifically because it elicits an overwhelmingly negative reaction based on the visceral disgust straight men often have at the thought of two men french kissing each other or having anal sex.

Anyone who's ever had someone close to them, that they really care about, that is gay... will recognize how harsh and just unacceptable that term is. And when used as a pejorative, it's *exactly* like "n!gger" but for an entirely different community.

And if you hate the mere thought homosexuality, that's real hate.

homosexuality is something I don't care for...hate? Despise? I don't know, but I am not o.k. with it at all.

BigRedChief
10-28-2009, 06:12 AM
Doubt it. The only reason it's a big deal now is because it's out in the public and on one occasion it was directed toward the media. If you walk into an NFL locker room, you will probably hear it 100 times. That doesn't mean they hate gays. LJ's an asshole, but to say he's a homophobe is going too far.I call BS. He could have said, get out of here assholes, get out of here leeches or any other of 100's of names. But, he chose pillowbiters. I realize a locker room has traditionally been a bastion of machoistic behaviour and "gay" in any form is a sign of weakness. Everyone has a right to their opinion. You want to hate pillowbiters? That by itself is not illegal. But as a public figure and in a privlidged field you are held accountable to a higher standard.

LaChapelle
10-28-2009, 06:40 AM
He could have said c*cks*cker and it wouldn't have amounted to much. F****T is just a word just best removed from your vocabulary. It's not that difficult to do.

If this forum is any indication retard is the next off limits word.

~you bunch of cheese and rice fried gnats

Iowanian
10-28-2009, 06:51 AM
Larry Sr SHOULD be embarrassed.


He should be embarrassed by his son's attempt to undo the hard work he put in to get to the suburbs by acting like he's ghetto. He should be embarrassed by his son's RAP about his former GM, pistol whipping girlfriends, spitting drinks on women in clubs, putting in half ass effort, and being too stupid to keep his baby fit out of public view.

The Adjective he chose to use wasn't right, but its pretty sad that with all of the bullshit he's pulled, 2 adjectives are the cause of the uproar.


Larry Jr treats weaker people like the Hawkeyes do Penn State.

BigRedChief
10-28-2009, 06:53 AM
Larry Sr SHOULD be embarrassed.


He should be embarrassed by his son's attempt to undo the hard work he put in to get to the suburbs by acting like he's ghetto. He should be embarrassed by his son's RAP about his former GM, pistol whipping girlfriends, spitting drinks on women in clubs, putting in half ass effort, and being too stupid to keep his baby fit out of public view.

The Adjective he chose to use wasn't right, but its pretty sad that with all of the bullshit he's pulled, 2 adjectives are the cause of the uproar.
I think it was the proveribal straw, not the gay slur. People are just fed up with his crap, ready to move on.

Iowanian
10-28-2009, 06:57 AM
Chiefs fans are tired of his normal bullshit.

Personally, I think alot of the outrage over the terminology is faux. Its vogue to be offended.

I'm not offended by the words, I just think he's a disrespectful asshole, and that's enough. He's been disrespectful to women, the fans, the former GM, the new head coach, the fans again, and then the media.

F Larry Johnson. I think his daddy should have whipped his spoiled ass once in a while, and then maybe he wouldn't be such a spoiled pussy as an adult.

Reerun_KC
10-28-2009, 06:58 AM
He probably just needs to get away from white people.

If that is the case, you wont be hearing "Stay Down Bitch, I am not finished" anymore....

NewChief
10-28-2009, 07:01 AM
Chiefs fans are tired of his normal bullshit.

Personally, I think alot of the outrage over the terminology is faux. Its vogue to be offended.

I'm not offended by the words, I just think he's a disrespectful asshole, and that's enough. He's been disrespectful to women, the fans, the former GM, the new head coach, the fans again, and then the media.

F Larry Johnson. I think his daddy should have whipped his spoiled ass once in a while, and then maybe he wouldn't be such a spoiled pussy as an adult.

This is how I feel, more or less. I'm not really any more outraged that he called the pillowbiters than if he'd called them bitches, mother ****ers, or jackasses. It's just a symptom of the problem of LJ, and the Chiefs should rid themselves of the problem.

Also the fact that he can't keep his mouth shut on twitter and feels the need to go back and forth with a fan reveals just how deeply insecure and immature LJ is. Really pathetic.

patteeu
10-28-2009, 07:20 AM
This is how I feel, more or less. I'm not really any more outraged that he called the pillowbiters than if he'd called them bitches, mother ****ers, or jackasses. It's just a symptom of the problem of LJ, and the Chiefs should rid themselves of the problem.

Also the fact that he can't keep his mouth shut on twitter and feels the need to go back and forth with a fan reveals just how deeply insecure and immature LJ is. Really pathetic.

Ditto. Aside from LJ's general immaturity and selfishness, the back and forth with the fan is what bothers me the most.

ChiefsOne
10-28-2009, 07:21 AM
I don't know if this proves that he hates gay people. Sure the remarks are offensive to say publicly, but many people make gay slurs and jokes all the time. Its part of life. In a way it degrades gay people but I don't think most people mean to actually poke fun at the fact of a homosexual. I say stuff sometimes jokingly about homosexuals to be funny, but I have nothing against gay people at all. Its in movies, songs, plays, all the time. People still make racist jokes about blacks, whites, Mexicans, and all sorts of people, but that doesn't mean they are racist. If that was the case Larry would be racist and a homophobe. So would nearly every other normal person in the world who has ever said anything degrading about another race....Maybe he does hate gay people? But nothing shows me proof of this.

My thoughts exactly, but you said it more eloquently than I ever could.
Well said.

Sticks-n-stones!

KCUnited
10-28-2009, 07:54 AM
He needs to apologize to Bowe, who was probably offended the most.

PhillyChiefFan
10-28-2009, 08:01 AM
Ditto. Aside from LJ's general immaturity and selfishness, the back and forth with the fan is what bothers me the most.


There is a line that shouldn't be crossed when it comes to fans. It reminds me of LeGarrette Blount after the Boise State game.

It was bad enough that he suckerpunched an opposing player, but then when he got into it with the fans, he really lost any and all credibility.

Professional athletes should never cross that line with fans, no matter what the reason IMO.

jidar
10-28-2009, 08:21 AM
I've called people pillowbiter hundreds if not thousands of times over my lifetime.

I shouldn't, and I know it. I'm about as homophobic as Elton John, in fact you can suck my dick if you think I'm homophobic, but it's just been the insult of choice for my generation and the one that followed.

It sucks ass that all the best insults have to be so hurtful to some people.

ps, I'm not in any way defending what Larry did. His dumb ass should have known better.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 08:25 AM
There is a line that shouldn't be crossed when it comes to fans. It reminds me of LeGarrette Blount after the Boise State game.

It was bad enough that he suckerpunched an opposing player, but then when he got into it with the fans, he really lost any and all credibility.

Professional athletes should never cross that line with fans, no matter what the reason IMO.

If you're a fan and write on an athlete's twitter/facebook wall and talk shit....

Prepare to get it back. That's all.

Everyone says its the athlete that needs to hold the higher standard. Lets not forget the fan needs to show some sort of responsibility too.

Brock
10-28-2009, 08:26 AM
If you're a fan and write on an athlete's twitter/facebook wall and talk shit....

Prepare to get it back. That's all.

Everyone says its the athlete that needs to hold the higher standard. Lets not forget the fan needs to show some sort of responsibility too.

your and idiot.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 08:27 AM
I've called people pillowbiter hundreds if not thousands of times over my lifetime.

I shouldn't, and I know it. I'm about as homophobic as Elton John, in fact you can suck my dick if you think I'm homophobic, but it's just been the insult of choice for my generation and the one that followed.

It sucks ass that all the best insults have to be so hurtful to some people.

ps, I'm not in any way defending what Larry did. His dumb ass should have known better.

People just need to sack up. If you're gay, prepare to get made fun of. That's just the way it works. It's weird, not considered normal, and society looks down upon it because it's very queer. If you **** goats, you're gonna get made fun of, people are gonna think you're weird.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 08:27 AM
your and idiot.

STFU douchebag

Brock
10-28-2009, 08:29 AM
People just need to sack up. If you're gay, prepare to get made fun of. That's just the way it works. It's weird, not considered normal, and society looks down upon it because it's very queer. If you **** goats, you're gonna get made fun of, people are gonna think you're weird.

Someday this attitude is going to earn you a brutal ass-kicking.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 08:38 AM
Someday this attitude is going to earn you a brutal ass-kicking.

Not quite. Now go put your helmet on and get your crayons and book and go play sweetheart.

Brock
10-28-2009, 08:42 AM
yeah, Como, the world is wrong and you're right. I'd like to see you go into work at whatever convenience store you work at and start throwing that word around. See how long you stay employed.

NewChief
10-28-2009, 08:43 AM
If you're a fan and write on an athlete's twitter/facebook wall and talk shit....

Prepare to get it back. That's all.

Everyone says its the athlete that needs to hold the higher standard. Lets not forget the fan needs to show some sort of responsibility too.

Seriously? Athletes and stars exist at the pleasure of the fans (consumers). Unfortunately, our society is in a bad habit currently of rewarding bad and idiotic behavior (Paris Hilton, Octamom, etc..), which has made stars think they can act like idiots and get away with it and even be rewarded for it. LJ is seeing that just because certain segments of the population can act like idiots and go back and forth with fans, the vast majority of America is disgusted by such behavior and won't reward it.

OnTheWarpath58
10-28-2009, 08:45 AM
People just need to sack up. If you're gay, prepare to get made fun of. That's just the way it works. It's weird, not considered normal, and society looks down upon it because it's very queer. If you **** goats, you're gonna get made fun of, people are gonna think you're weird.

Wow.

Sure-Oz
10-28-2009, 09:04 AM
Wow.

Consider the source

MichaelH
10-28-2009, 09:38 AM
If he was any kind of father, LJ wouldn't be the kind of dickhead that he is.

Fat Elvis
10-28-2009, 09:40 AM
People just need to sack up. If you're gay, prepare to get made fun of. That's just the way it works. It's weird, not considered normal, and society looks down upon it because it's very queer. If you **** goats, you're gonna get made fun of, people are gonna think you're weird.

Do you have any idea how much CoMo sounds like HoMo?

Are you trying to tell us something?

Sure-Oz
10-28-2009, 09:41 AM
If he was any kind of father, LJ wouldn't be the kind of dickhead that he is.

I'd say that's a pretty unfair statement. I know some idiots who have great parents, they just don't listen.

Fat Elvis
10-28-2009, 09:45 AM
If he was any kind of father, LJ wouldn't be the kind of dickhead that he is.

Wow. Good, even great, fathers can wind up with dickheads for sons. There is that whole thing about people having individual and independent personalities.....

MichaelH
10-28-2009, 09:47 AM
I'd say that's a pretty unfair statement. I know some idiots who have great parents, they just don't listen.

did those idiots ever have their fathers kick their ass until next week like Larry's should have?

jAZ
10-28-2009, 09:50 AM
I've called people pillowbiter hundreds if not thousands of times over my lifetime.

I shouldn't, and I know it. I'm about as homophobic as Elton John, in fact you can suck my dick if you think I'm homophobic, but it's just been the insult of choice for my generation and the one that followed.

It sucks ass that all the best insults have to be so hurtful to some people.

ps, I'm not in any way defending what Larry did. His dumb ass should have known better.

As today's the self appointed defender of "teh ghey" and critic of the term "f@ggot", I will acknowledge that what you say sounds honest to me, and I agree that the term is widely used as a pejorative that to some degree is a generic insult.

But unlike some other terms that have a literal meaning but are used as a generic insult (like "geek" or "dork"), the literal meaning of "f@ggot" is the very reason it's an insult.

But it's the fact that the term elicits such repulsive feelings in straight men that it is such a powerful insult to them. It's that underlying repulsiveness that is where the "hate" lies. You might not hate gay people yourself, and just use the term as a generic insult, but the power of the world you use is based on the fact that others do.

And in LJ's case, we can be certain he wasn't just using the term as a generic insult. He made that clear with his "Christopher Street" reference.

Iowanian
10-28-2009, 09:53 AM
He probably should have gone with the more politically correct "Ice-dancer-American"

Reaper16
10-28-2009, 10:23 AM
Pretty much how I think of this whole thing. The pussification of America continues...because "Times have changed" Thou shall not call people faqqots because the gay community will get angry and march their parade into your backyard.

What happens 100 years from now when people are whining because people with Beastiality fetishes want to be treated fairly??? I'm serious, yes I'm getting off track here but the point is will times change in society that will allow this? When will this kinda shit end? This is already happening in places like rural Utah and Montana. "Hey I wanna fuck my dog or cow, and it should be okay to do so, I want to be treated fairly and have protected rights". REALLY?!?!?

People just need to sack up. If you're gay, prepare to get made fun of. That's just the way it works. It's weird, not considered normal, and society looks down upon it because it's very queer. If you **** goats, you're gonna get made fun of, people are gonna think you're weird.
You wanna' equate homosexuality with bestiality any more or are you going to grow up into the civilized person your parents always hoped you'd be?

-King-
10-28-2009, 10:44 AM
As today's the self appointed defender of "teh ghey" and critic of the term "f@ggot", I will acknowledge that what you say sounds honest to me, and I agree that the term is widely used as a pejorative that to some degree is a generic insult.

But unlike some other terms that have a literal meaning but are used as a generic insult (like "geek" or "dork"), the literal meaning of "f@ggot" is the very reason it's an insult.


The literal meaning of f@ggot is a bundle of sticks.



Sorry to be a defenition nazi there. ....no offense to real nazis who might be offended
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CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 10:46 AM
Do you have any idea how much CoMo sounds like HoMo?

Are you trying to tell us something?

OOOOO wow, havent heard that one before :spock:

jidar
10-28-2009, 10:52 AM
People just need to sack up. If you're gay, prepare to get made fun of. That's just the way it works. It's weird, not considered normal, and society looks down upon it because it's very queer. If you **** goats, you're gonna get made fun of, people are gonna think you're weird.

I don't agree with that at all.
On a personal level that's how I deal with it if someone is ripping on me, but generally speaking I don't think that's how everyone should act.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 10:53 AM
You wanna' equate homosexuality with bestiality any more or are you going to grow up into the civilized person your parents always hoped you'd be?

My point is that 50 years ago this isn't even an issue, there are no Gay parades, gay organizations coming out demanding apologies everytime someone is called a f@ggot. People didn't come out back then like they do now.

BUT THIS IS 2009!!!! TIMES HAVE CHANGED!!!!!

My point is where does society draw the line? In 50-100 years from now or after our lifetime is society gonna accept people that like to fuck animals like we supposedly do now with Gays??? Are there gonna be parades of people walking down streets demanding to be respected by the community even though they like to screw animals?

keg in kc
10-28-2009, 10:56 AM
My point is that 50 years ago this isn't even an issue, there are no Gay parades, gay organizations coming out demanding apologies everytime someone is called a f@ggot. People didn't come out back then like they do now.

BUT THIS IS 2009!!!! TIMES HAVE CHANGED!!!!!

My point is where does society draw the line? In 50-100 years from now or after our lifetime is society gonna accept people that like to **** animals like we supposedly do now with Gays??? Are there gonna be parades of people walking down streets demanding to be respected by the community even though they like to screw animals?Congratulations, you may have just made the most inane comparison in the history of inane comparisons on Chiefs Planet.

Well done!

jidar
10-28-2009, 10:57 AM
My point is that 50 years ago this isn't even an issue, there are no Gay parades, gay organizations coming out demanding apologies everytime someone is called a f@ggot. People didn't come out back then like they do now.

BUT THIS IS 2009!!!! TIMES HAVE CHANGED!!!!!

My point is where does society draw the line? In 50-100 years from now or after our lifetime is society gonna accept people that like to **** animals like we supposedly do now with Gays??? Are there gonna be parades of people walking down streets demanding to be respected by the community even though they like to screw animals?

Society draws no lines and continues to evolve socially all the time. I'm sure it always seems unreasonable to the people who aren't. Bestiality though.... uh.. probably there.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 10:59 AM
I don't agree with that at all.
On a personal level that's how I deal with it if someone is ripping on me, but generally speaking I don't think that's how everyone should act.

My point is the gay community needs to sack it up and stop fucking whining whenver there is some gay slurs being said.

It happens all the time. Boo fucking Hooo. This doesn't require a press conference or a public apology. This is dumb.

Reaper16
10-28-2009, 11:06 AM
My point is that 50 years ago this isn't even an issue, there are no Gay parades, gay organizations coming out demanding apologies everytime someone is called a f@ggot. People didn't come out back then like they do now.

BUT THIS IS 2009!!!! TIMES HAVE CHANGED!!!!!

My point is where does society draw the line? In 50-100 years from now or after our lifetime is society gonna accept people that like to fuck animals like we supposedly do now with Gays??? Are there gonna be parades of people walking down streets demanding to be respected by the community even though they like to screw animals?
60 years ago black people couldn't drink from my water fountain! Now they can marry white people! Where do we draw the line before people start fucking animals? /equivalent argument

LaChapelle
10-28-2009, 11:15 AM
The times are a changing, adapt or die.

patteeu
10-28-2009, 11:21 AM
My point is the gay community needs to sack it up and stop ****ing whining whenver there is some gay slurs being said.

It happens all the time. Boo ****ing Hooo. This doesn't require a press conference or a public apology. This is dumb.

I think you're mostly an idiot, but I do think there's a sliver of truth to this. There's too much over-sensitivity in our society these days.

But there's still no excuse for a guy like Larry Johnson to go off on anyone like that. He's got a responsibility to the Chiefs organization, if not to anyone else, to represent with a bit more class than that.