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Reerun_KC
10-28-2009, 08:22 AM
Pretty much spot on.... Though KU has a shit ton of conference championships...


http://trianglehoops.blogspot.com/2009/10/triangle-hoops-journal-has-analyzed.html

Triangle Hoops Journal has analyzed the ESPN/Sagarin rankings and has generated a more accurate all-time ranking of the top 30 programs in college basketball history. ESPN’s top 50 programs, multiple National Championship winners UConn, Florida and San Francisco, and Houston (5 Final Fours) were evaluated. The factors considered were National Championships, total wins, NCAA Tournament wins, Final Fours, and conference championships. In addition, a key component to the rankings was name recognition, which took into account whether the ranking made sense based on the program’s reputation and whether the program is generally associated with college basketball success. As a result of some of the problems with the ESPN/Sagarin rankings, the following rules were applied:

• A program without a National Championship cannot attain a top 10 ranking. The top 10 programs are the truly elite programs, and a program cannot seriously be considered as the best of the best without ever cutting down the nets.

• NCAA Tournament success was a major factor in are given more credit than any other factor. Therefore, in ranking programs with similar resumes, this was the deciding factor in which program deserved the higher ranking.

• A program with success in multiple eras was given more credit than a program with success in only one era. For example, Michigan State's two National Championships (79, 00) indicate greater long-term achievement and consistency than UConn's two National Championships (99, 04), and assuming all other factors were equal, Michigan State would earn the higher ranking.

Triangle Hoops Journal's Top 30 Programs:

The Top 6- These are the premier programs- a cut above everyone else. Each of these programs has excelled throughout multiple eras and have distinguished themselves from the other elite programs:

1. Kentucky: A close call between UK and UCLA, but Kentucky is #1in all-time wins (200 more than UCLA) and has had success dating back to the 1940s. Kentucky has 7 National Championships, 13 Final Fours, 100 NCAA Tournament wins and 26 conference championships.

2. UCLA: The Bruins' program could really be considered #1b. UCLA has 11 NCAA Championships, 17 Final Fours, 99 NCAA Tournament wins and 30 conference championships. Perhaps no program can match UCLA's legendary status, with the likes of Wooden, Alcindor, and Walton.

3. UNC: Carolina is just slightly below Kentucky and UCLA. The Heels have 5 NCAA Championships, 18 Final Fours (#1), 102 NCAA Tournament wins (#1), and is #2 in all-time wins. Kentucky and UCLA would probably be indistinguishable from UNC if the Heels had won one more NCAA Championship.

4. Kansas: The Jayhawks' program comes in just ahead of Indiana and Duke based on their 1970 all-time wins (#3), 13 Final Fours, 84 NCAA Tournament wins, and 3 National Championships spanning a period of 58 years.

5. Indiana: Indiana beats out Duke here because the Hoosiers' 5 NCAA Championships were won in several eras from 1940 to 1987. Indiana has not had as much recent success, but does have 8 Final Fours, 60 NCAA Tournament wins and 20 Big Ten Championships.

6. Duke: Duke has a strong case for the 5th or even 4th spot in the rankings. The Blue Devils have 3 NCAA Championships, 14 Final Fours (#3), 88 NCAA Tournament wins (#4) and 1876 all-time wins (#4). Their only weakness when compared with Kansas and Indiana is that all of their NCAA Championships are after 1990.

The Second-Tier: These are elite programs, but not quite on the level of the Top 6:

7. Louisville: The Cardinals have 2 NCAA Championships, 8 Final Fours , 60 NCAA Tournament wins, and 1587 all-time wins.

8. Michigan State: The Spartans have 2 NCAA Championships, 7 Final Fours, 10 Big Ten Championships, and 48 NCAA Tournament wins.

9. Syracuse: Syracuse was grossly underrated in the ESPN/Sagarin rankings. The Orange are #5 in all-time wins with 1753, have 4 Final Fours, 1 NCAA Championship and 50 NCAA Tournament wins. They have been incredibly consistent under Coach Boeheim.

10. Ohio State: Ohio State has 1 NCAA Championship, 10 Final Fours, 19 Big 10 Championships and has been the NCAA runner-up several times. The Buckeyes' success spans multiple eras, reaching Final Fours in seven different decades.

The Third-Tier: The programs in this tier have some flaws on their resume, but are generally a National Championship or a couple Final Fours away from being listed with the Second-Tier programs:

11. Michigan: The Wolverines have 1 NCAA Championship, 15 Big 10 Championships, 6 Final Fours and 42 NCAA Tournament wins.

12. NC State: The Pack has 2 NCAA Championships, 1540 all-time wins, 10 ACC Championships (#3), 3 Final Fours and 32 NCAA Tournament wins. Despite the Wolfpack's recent struggles, they have accomplished as much or more than the programs ranked below them and have had success in multiple eras.

13. Cincinnati: The Bearcats have 2 NCAA Championships, 1553 all-time wins, 6 Final Fours and 40 NCAA Tournament wins. Cincinnati is ranked below NC State because both of their NCAA Championships were won in the 1960s ('60 & '61), while NC State's were won in different decades under the leadership of different coaches.

14. Georgetown: The Hoyas were ranked 42 in the ESPN/Sagarin rankings, but have 1 NCAA Championship, 5 Final Fours, 45 NCAA Tournament wins, 10 Big East Championships and 1476 all-time wins.

15. Arkansas: Arkansas was another team underrated by ESPN/Sagarin. The Razorbacks have 1 NCAA Championship, 6 Final Fours and 40 NCAA Tournament wins. Their success has spanned multiple eras.

16. Villanova: Villanova has 1 NCAA Championship, 1505 all-time wins, 4 Final Fours and 48 NCAA Tournament wins (#8).

17. Illinois: Illinois has 1609 all-time wins, 5 Final Fours, 38 NCAA Tournament wins and 17 Big 10 Championships.

18. Oklahoma State: The Cowboys have 2 NCAA Championships, 1480 all-time wins, 6 Final Fours and 38 NCAA Tournament wins. Their ranking was hurt by the fact that their championships were won in the 1940s.

19. Marquette: Marquette has 1 NCAA Championship, 1423 all-time wins, 3 Final Fours and 34 NCAA Tournament wins.

20. Temple: Rounding out the Top 20 is Temple, which attained its ranking based on its 1711 all-time wins (#6), 2 Final Fours, 31 NCAA Tournament wins and 9 conference championships.

The Fourth-Tier: The programs have been either been pretty good for a long time or great for just a short time.

21. Notre Dame: Notre Dame is a perfect example of a team that has been pretty good for a long time. The Irish have not won a championship, but have 1651 all-time wins (#11), 1 Final Four and 30 NCAA Tournament wins.

22. Purdue: Purdue is a solid program with 1565 all-time wins, 2 Final Fours, 31 NCAA Tournament wins and has the most Big 10 Championships with 21.

23. Arizona: Arizona has 1 NCAA Championship, 4 Final Fours, 43 NCAA Tournament wins and 1568 all-time wins. The Wildcats have enjoyed most of their success during Lute Olson's tenure.

24. UConn: UConn, like Arizona, is a program that has been a great program for just a short time. The Huskies have 2 NCAA Championships, 3 Final Fours and 46 NCAA Tournament wins.

25. Utah: Utah is a consistently good program with 1637 all-time wins, 1 NCAA Championship, 4 Final Fours, 35 NCAA Tournament wins, and ranks in the top 10 in all-time winning percentage.

26. St. John's: St. John's is a program that has fallen on hard times, but has 1686 all-time wins, 2 Final Fours, 27 NCAA Tournament wins, and 5 Regular Season Big East Championships. St. John's is in the top 10 in all time wins and winning percentage.

27. Maryland: The Terps have 1 NCAA Championship, 2 Final Fours and 37 NCAA Tournament wins.

28. Wisconsin: The Badgers have 1 NCAA Championship, 2 Final Fours, 20 NCAA Tournament wins and 17 Big 10 Championships. This is a program that has been consistent, but never great.

29. Florida: Florida is a program that has been great over the past decade, but irrelevant in the past. The Gators have 2 NCAA Championships, 4 Final Fours, and 29 NCAA Tournament wins, but only 1192 all-time wins.

30. Houston: It was challenging to find a deserving 30th team, so the nod goes to Houston, based on the program's 5 Final Fours and fantastic teams of the late 60s, early 70s and early 80s, including the well-known Phi Slamma Jamma squad with NBA All-Stars Clyde Drexler and Hakeem Olajuwon.

ArrowheadHawk
10-28-2009, 08:33 AM
What no Texas or Kansas State.

notorious
10-28-2009, 08:34 AM
I would still put UCLA over UK.

ChiTown
10-28-2009, 08:38 AM
What no Texas or Kansas State.

K-State quit on their BBall Program for nearly 15 years 1990-2005 (coincidentally, that's when they decided to start playing football). Prior to 1990, Street & Smiths had KSU's Program ranked in the Top 25 all-time - rightfully so.

Reerun_KC
10-28-2009, 08:40 AM
I would still put UCLA over UK.

I think I would too.....

1 UCLA

In no particular order on the 2's.. dont start crying people...
2a KU
2b UNC
2c Kentucky
2d Duke

3 Indiana

ArrowheadHawk
10-28-2009, 08:40 AM
K-State quit on their BBall Program for nearly 15 years 1990-2005 (coincidentally, that's when they decided to start playing football). Prior to 1990, Street & Smiths had KSU's Program ranked in the Top 25 all-time - rightfully so.

Yeah I knew State had some history.

Reerun_KC
10-28-2009, 08:40 AM
K-State quit on their BBall Program for nearly 15 years 1990-2005 (coincidentally, that's when they decided to start playing football). Prior to 1990, Street & Smiths had KSU's Program ranked in the Top 25 all-time - rightfully so.

I agree...

ArrowheadHawk
10-28-2009, 08:41 AM
Gameday should be fun. I have to see that damn All men are wildcats billboard everyday.

Reerun_KC
10-28-2009, 08:42 AM
Yeah I knew State had some history.

Well they do have KANSAS in their name.... :D Regardless, the state of KANSAS has alot of basketball history....

ChiTown
10-28-2009, 08:48 AM
A friend of mine emailed this to me, I think it was from a KSU message board. Anyway, on the eve of the Elite Eight match up between KSU & KU in 1988, here were the numbers:

[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]

Honestly, after that loss to KU, it's almost as if the KSU Program was so demoralized, they couldn't find the strength to rebound - especially after KU won the NC.

Anyway, I agree with the above top 30 rankings. Pretty hard to dispute any of that.

Skip Towne
10-28-2009, 08:50 AM
Gameday should be fun. I have to see that damn All men are wildcats billboard everyday.

They're actually pretty mild.

RippedmyFlesh
10-28-2009, 08:52 AM
uconn>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>notre dame and i hate uconn

RippedmyFlesh
10-28-2009, 08:56 AM
notre dame has done nothing in hoops 1 final 4 big f deal,,,id put arizona ahead of them also florida

ArrowheadHawk
10-28-2009, 08:59 AM
They're actually pretty mild.

At least they replaced the Snyder ones.

Mr. Plow
10-28-2009, 09:09 AM
Where is Missouri? I looked over the list and can't seem to find them. Surely I'm just missing them somewhere on the list. :p

Pablo
10-28-2009, 02:44 PM
notre dame has done nothing in hoops 1 final 4 big f deal,,,id put arizona ahead of them also floridaNo shit.

I mean; I know when I think perennial hoops contender, I think Notre Dame.

Or fucking not.

Pablo
10-28-2009, 02:46 PM
Where is Missouri? I looked over the list and can't seem to find them. Surely I'm just missing them somewhere on the list. :pI tried to look them up and this is all I found.

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L.A. Chieffan
10-28-2009, 02:48 PM
epic list fail. . ucla is obvious #1.

big nasty kcnut
10-28-2009, 02:50 PM
What about wichita state. Like I said kansas home of more winners since 1863.

jAZ
10-28-2009, 02:55 PM
19. Marquette: Marquette has 1 NCAA Championship, 1423 all-time wins, 3 Final Fours and 34 NCAA Tournament wins.

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23. Arizona: Arizona has 1 NCAA Championship, 4 Final Fours, 43 NCAA Tournament wins and 1568 all-time wins. The Wildcats have enjoyed most of their success during Lute Olson's tenure.

24. UConn: UConn, like Arizona, is a program that has been a great program for just a short time. The Huskies have 2 NCAA Championships, 3 Final Fours and 46 NCAA Tournament wins.


Sorry, but putting UConn and Arizona behind Marquette is just stupid.

Saccopoo
10-28-2009, 04:17 PM
Utah should be at #18 at least based on all the criteria.

RJ
10-28-2009, 04:34 PM
Notre Dame had some good teams back in the 70's with Digger Phelps but I certainly don't think of them as an elite program. I'd replace them with another ACC team, probably Virginia.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 04:56 PM
Is this based on National Titles, history of the program, or both?

Because history, nothing matches Kansas Basketball.

NC's though, there are a few teams that have more.

without KU bball, there's no Kentucky or UNC basketball. But more I think about it, #4 is probably right.

Ari Chi3fs
10-28-2009, 04:58 PM
1. UCLA
2. Kentucky
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas
5. Duke
6. Indiana
7. Louisville
8. Michigan St.
9. Syracuse
10. NC State

Skip Towne
10-28-2009, 05:00 PM
Utah should be at #18 at least based on all the criteria.

I didn't know Utah played basketball.

Pablo
10-28-2009, 05:05 PM
I didn't know Utah played basketball.Neither did anyone else.

RJ
10-28-2009, 05:07 PM
I didn't know Utah played basketball.


Remember Rick Majerus, their fat coach?

Lots of good players over the years. Andrew Bogut was a #1 NBA pick.

I don't watch the NBA, is Bogut any good as a pro?

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 05:09 PM
Wasn't San Fransisco Univ good back in the day?

Mojo Jojo
10-28-2009, 05:13 PM
Yeah I knew State had some history.

Some history? Up until 1991 (I believe...may have been a year or two later) KSU had been to the NCAA Tourney more times than KU. KSU has 4 Final Fours...I know no Championship but what about Temple being on the list?

Mojo Jojo
10-28-2009, 05:14 PM
Wasn't San Fransisco Univ good back in the day?

Up until that whole point shaving and throwing games thing. Also, there was that guy named Bill Russell.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 05:15 PM
Some history? Up until 1991 (I believe...may have been a year or two later) KSU had been to the NCAA Tourney more times than KU. KSU has 4 Final Fours...I know no Championship but what about Temple being on the list?

John Cheney is a HOF'r Temple was good in late 80's and early-mid 90's.

That Calipari/Cheney rivalry was epic.

RJ
10-28-2009, 05:15 PM
Wasn't San Fransisco Univ good back in the day?


Bill Russell, KC Jones.

CoMoChief
10-28-2009, 05:16 PM
Where's Mizzou and Norm Stewart's awesome 660 something wins?

Skip Towne
10-28-2009, 05:20 PM
Some history? Up until 1991 (I believe...may have been a year or two later) KSU had been to the NCAA Tourney more times than KU. KSU has 4 Final Fours...I know no Championship but what about Temple being on the list?

A lot of those numbers KSU spews are from back when it was an 8 team tournament. Win one game - Final 4

Mojo Jojo
10-28-2009, 05:22 PM
Some history? Up until 1991 (I believe...may have been a year or two later) KSU had been to the NCAA Tourney more times than KU. KSU has 4 Final Fours...I know no Championship but what about Temple being on the list?

John Cheney is a HOF'r Temple was good in late 80's and early-mid 90's.

That Calipari/Cheney rivalry was epic.

So are you saying this is a Top 30 what have you done since the '80's list? My point is that if Temple is listed there is no way KSU should be left off.

Tactical Funky
10-28-2009, 05:23 PM
I agree that UConn should be ahead of 'Zona and Marquette.

Dottefan
10-28-2009, 05:48 PM
Where is Missouri? I looked over the list and can't seem to find them. Surely I'm just missing them somewhere on the list. :p

No..they got it right. MU just sucks.

Dottefan
10-28-2009, 05:49 PM
Where's Mizzou and Norm Stewart's awesome 660 something wins?

You dont matter.ROFLROFL

mikeyis4dcats.
10-28-2009, 06:21 PM
Some history? Up until 1991 (I believe...may have been a year or two later) KSU had been to the NCAA Tourney more times than KU. KSU has 4 Final Fours...I know no Championship but what about Temple being on the list?

I just happened across this on a message board today...

On the eve of the Elite Eight match up between KSU & KU in 1988, here were the numbers:

[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]


*oops...I see Chitown reads the same board...

WilliamTheIrish
10-28-2009, 06:31 PM
You "just happened" across a signature on GoPowerScat? That horrible "Bookcat" signature only discounts 20 fucking years of basketball history.

IN the 20 years since then it was 1 NCAA win and 10 full years between appearances in the NCAA. You can't just discount 20 years.

KChiefs1
10-28-2009, 07:06 PM
Mizzou isn't on the list???????

RippedmyFlesh
10-28-2009, 07:19 PM
epic list fail. . ucla is obvious #1.
This
That run with wooden was the best ever in the sport that will never be matched.

WilliamTheIrish
10-28-2009, 07:23 PM
This
That run with wooden was the best ever in the sport that will never be matched.

Wait for it. Just wait for it.

irishjayhawk
10-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Is this based on National Titles, history of the program, or both?

Because history, nothing matches Kansas Basketball.

NC's though, there are a few teams that have more.

without KU bball, there's no Kentucky or UNC basketball. But more I think about it, #4 is probably right.

Bingo.

Buck
10-28-2009, 07:57 PM
Before I read the top 30, heres my guess on the top 3.

1. North Carolina
2. Kentucky
3. Kansas

gblowfish
10-28-2009, 08:11 PM
Where's Bradley and Bucknell?

Skip Towne
10-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Where's Bradley and Bucknell?

Down there with Missouri?

mikeyis4dcats.
10-28-2009, 08:19 PM
You "just happened" across a signature on GoPowerScat? That horrible "Bookcat" signature only discounts 20 ****ing years of basketball history.

IN the 20 years since then it was 1 NCAA win and 10 full years between appearances in the NCAA. You can't just discount 20 years.

I don't go to GP. I do KSUfans and KStatefans. Fitz can suck my dick (and probably would)

WilliamTheIrish
10-28-2009, 08:19 PM
A lot of those numbers KSU spews are from back when it was an 8 team tournament. Win one game - Final 4

Just like everybody else. But the real crybabies try to diminish it. It bothers them.

gblowfish
10-28-2009, 08:19 PM
Down there with Missouri?

I don't know what happened....
Paige Laurie was supposed to turn in our application for admission....

Damn the bad luck!

Spott
10-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Where's Mizzou and Norm Stewart's awesome 660 something wins?

Shut up Muron.