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T-post Tom
11-16-2009, 11:32 PM
Said it today on 610. Said that Cassel is not a "general" on the field; not a leader of men. Maas said while he's tall and has a strong arm (looks the part), he doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader or a great qb. His only hope is to be surrounded by talent and not get in the way of that talent. Grbac. :(

DaneMcCloud
11-16-2009, 11:33 PM
Said it today on 610. Said that Cassel is not a "general" on the field; not a leader of men. Maas said while he's tall and has a strong arm (looks the part), he doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader or a great qb. His only hope is to be surrounded by talent and not get in the way of that talent. Grbac. :(

Let's just hope he doesn't become a mouth-breathing retard at some point

Reaper16
11-16-2009, 11:33 PM
Said it today on 610. Said that Cassel is not a "general" on the field; not a leader of men. Maas said while he's tall and has a strong arm (looks the part), he doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader or a great qb. His only hope is to be surrounded by talent and not get in the way of that talent. Grbac. :(
Strong arm, lol

My impression is exactly the opposite. He has the potential for leadership but doesn't have the skills to back it up.

KCrockaholic
11-16-2009, 11:33 PM
Doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader? I disagree. I don't care what Bill Maas thinks.

Frazod
11-16-2009, 11:35 PM
I'm not feeling that GIANT FUCKING DOUCHEBAG thing that Grbac radiated from Cassel. :shrug:

CaliforniaChief
11-16-2009, 11:36 PM
I'm not feeling that GIANT ****ING DOUCHEBAG thing that Grbac radiated from Cassel. :shrug:

I agree.

Count Alex's Losses
11-16-2009, 11:37 PM
Wow. Dumbest thing Maas has ever said.

Guru
11-16-2009, 11:38 PM
Maas is an idiot too.

Frazod
11-16-2009, 11:39 PM
Maas is an idiot too.

I have a much easier time agreeing with this one. :D

T-post Tom
11-16-2009, 11:39 PM
Let's just hope he doesn't become a mouth-breathing retard at some point


or grow a beard to extend a win streak. now that the "centaur" is gone, i don't want to hear mitch h. gushing on cassel growing a beard like he did with grbac. that was gayer than grbac's beard.

KCrockaholic
11-16-2009, 11:39 PM
Are Maas and Whitlock friends?

Guru
11-16-2009, 11:40 PM
I have a much easier time agreeing with this one. :DROFL

CaliforniaChief
11-16-2009, 11:40 PM
Maas certainly knows a thing or two about having enough weapons, particularly at airports.

T-post Tom
11-16-2009, 11:42 PM
Strong arm, lol



Yeah. Maybe that's relative to his predecessors, Trent & Thiggy.

SNR
11-16-2009, 11:50 PM
Cassel's probably a step above Grbac. But Cassel has made a ton of stupid plays this season.

Let's say Maas is right. I thought the entire reason Pioli brought in Cassel was because he ate toughness for breakfast and shat out 20 pounds of leadership every day before going to work. That he was going to be a Tom Brady-type QB with a power, accurate arm and a gritty toughness and smarts to make big plays when necessary.

HUGE fucking botch on Pioli's part. He's been around that player for 3 years and he STILL midjudges him.

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 12:06 AM
Wow. Dumbest thing Maas has ever said.

Gotta' agree. That comparison is so far off the mark it isn't even funny.

Grbac had an arm.

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 12:14 AM
Maas has been saying this since the NY Giants game.

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 12:18 AM
Maas has been saying this since the NY Giants game.

I think Cassel's gonna' be timid, shredded beef by the time KC has a line that can perform at even 1/2 effectiveness of our old "all-star" line.

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 12:25 AM
I think Cassel's gonna' be timid, shredded beef by the time KC has a line that can perform at even 1/2 effectiveness of our old "all-star" line.

I said this before Cassel isn't mentally/emotionally equipped for the job a franchise QB he gets rattled too easily and is a hot head. Most great QBs have a naturally calm personality, and Cassel has admitted he doesn't possess that trait.

ChiefsCountry
11-17-2009, 12:27 AM
Where was the KC media in February when Pioli made the dumbest trade of his tenure?

wazu
11-17-2009, 12:29 AM
Maas is usually pretty good, but he's forcing it here. All signs I've seen point to Cassel being much more level-headed and generally self-confident than Grbac. Grbac was a weekly distraction. Coaches and other players were always having to talk him up. "I can't throw the ball and catch it, too" is something you would never, ever hear Cassel say.

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 12:29 AM
Where was the KC media in February when Pioli made the dumbest trade of his tenure?


I just hope he can admit he was wrong next year when Cassel falls on his face with new toys to play with.

wazu
11-17-2009, 12:29 AM
Where was the KC media in February when Pioli made the dumbest trade of his tenure?

Maas was probably still in prison.

Count Alex's Losses
11-17-2009, 12:32 AM
I said this before Cassel isn't mentally/emotionally equipped for the job a franchise QB he gets rattled too easily and is a hot head.

You say some really fucking dumb things but this takes the cake.

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 12:39 AM
I said this before Cassel isn't mentally/emotionally equipped for the job a franchise QB he gets rattled too easily and is a hot head. Most great QBs have a naturally calm personality, and Cassel has admitted he doesn't possess that trait.

My old man, before the season started, said he didn't understand why they brought Cassel in the first place.
He watches football but he doesn't get deep in to it like I do, spending a lot of time at message boards and the like.
So he says, "I thought that guy they had was pretty good". And of course I said "Thigpen"?!
He says "no, the other guy". And I said "Brodie"?! And he says "yeah; he has a pretty good arm and was playing pretty well against New England before he got hurt".

So I proceeded to explain to him Brodie's history of injury and how he wasn't a reliable option, and that Cassel gave us the best chance of the three to win some games, but in the end my old man wasn't swayed.

I'm thinking I should call my old man and apologize to him.:)

ChiefsCountry
11-17-2009, 12:41 AM
The only way Croyle sees the field is if Cassel gets hurt. No way does Pioli allow Haley to sub Croyle in. Heck the one game they put Guitteraz in to avoid it.

KCrockaholic
11-17-2009, 12:47 AM
You say some really ****ing dumb things but this takes the cake.

I think he was talking about Jay Cutler... I hope.

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 12:54 AM
The only way Croyle sees the field is if Cassel gets hurt. No way does Pioli allow Haley to sub Croyle in. Heck the one game they put Guitteraz in to avoid it.

Well it's neither here nor there to me. I have no investment in Croyle, emotional or otherwise.
I just kind of wonder, after Baltimore, if he really belongs in purgatory with the Chiefs.

And to your interest, I caught some of the Lions/Vikings game on Sunday. Stafford is starting to show some flashes with that team now. I think he's going to be more than fine in a few years. That kid's got some Elway in him, and it's starting to show up. Beautiful play and pass in to the end zone from the 20 to the other receiver/not CJ.

And he was taking some pops too from that Minnesota defense!

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 01:25 AM
You say some really fucking dumb things but this takes the cake.

and your opinion changes so much it's like you make a choice by targeting a bucket with certain names of players or views to jockey then you proceed to aim at said bucket to piss in for distance and the bucket you hit with the player or opinion in mind gets the go ahead to be the ultimate truth passed down from God then Larry Johnson then to you to save us all as gospel.

KCrockaholic
11-17-2009, 01:54 AM
Well it's neither here nor there to me. I have no investment in Croyle, emotional or otherwise.
I just kind of wonder, after Baltimore, if he really belongs in purgatory with the Chiefs.

And to your interest, I caught some of the Lions/Vikings game on Sunday. Stafford is starting to show some flashes with that team now. I think he's going to be more than fine in a few years. That kid's got some Elway in him, and it's starting to show up. Beautiful play and pass in to the end zone from the 20 to the other receiver/not CJ.

And he was taking some pops too from that Minnesota defense!

I watched the entire game. Stafford looked like a young rookie QB with some promise. His receiver did not help him at all. The drops are horrendous on that team. He will be good one day. I prefered him over Sanchez in the draft, we'll see how they turn up.

Count Alex's Losses
11-17-2009, 01:55 AM
and your opinion changes so much it's like you make a choice by targeting a bucket with certain names of players or views to jockey then you proceed to aim at said bucket to piss in for distance and the bucket you hit with the player or opinion in mind gets the go ahead to be the ultimate truth passed down from God then Larry Johnson then to you to save us all as gospel.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Matt Cassel is in no way a hothead.

Dumbest fucking thing you've ever said.

nychief
11-17-2009, 02:21 AM
On July 6, 2007, Maas was arrested for drug and weapons possession after a traffic stop in East Peoria, Illinois. He was released from jail two days later.[1]

On September 5, 2007, Maas was questioned and released following an incident at Kansas City International Airport in which authorities reportedly found a loaded 9mm Glock in a bag brought by the former football player to the airport before attempting to board a plane. The gun was confiscated at a screening station and Maas was taken to the airport police station for questioning, at which point he claimed to have picked up the wrong bag before coming to the airport. The incident is still under investigation. [2]

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 02:24 AM
I watched the entire game. Stafford looked like a young rookie QB with some promise. His receiver did not help him at all. The drops are horrendous on that team. He will be good one day. I prefered him over Sanchez in the draft, we'll see how they turn up.

I think Stafford will develop in to a bonafide NFL "Golden Arm" in the vein of Elway and Montana, while I see Sanchez as being a new breed of "Warrior QB".
Both will have the ability to put the team on their backs and carry them, albeit in different fashions.

I've taken an honest, introspective look at Cassel in terms of, "Am I being disingenuous with him"? "Am I not giving this guy a chance"? "Is everything he does going to be a FAIL in my eyes"?
I honestly do not feel, think, or believe that I am wrong in my view of this guy. And it's not like I relish the thought of getting another two to three years behind the curve in terms of bringing another QB in, but this team has been so devoid of a true leader in that capacity for so long, that the thought of half-assing it again under new management is MUCH more repulsive.
This franchise NEEDS the "It" guy at that position. Some kid who packs the talent, walks the swagger, carry's the big stick, and pops the competition in the fucking mouth with it even as a rookie, though not as often as he will as he matures under the franchise.

Whoever that kid may be, we need him.

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 02:24 AM
On July 6, 2007, Maas was arrested for drug and weapons possession after a traffic stop in East Peoria, Illinois. He was released from jail two days later.[1]

On September 5, 2007, Maas was questioned and released following an incident at Kansas City International Airport in which authorities reportedly found a loaded 9mm Glock in a bag brought by the former football player to the airport before attempting to board a plane. The gun was confiscated at a screening station and Maas was taken to the airport police station for questioning, at which point he claimed to have picked up the wrong bag before coming to the airport. The incident is still under investigation. [2]

And your point is?

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 05:40 AM
Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Matt Cassel is in no way a hothead.

Dumbest fucking thing you've ever said.


Did you see him push Albert when he was sacked during the Cowboys game, or yell at the sidelines when a play didn't go his way.

SenselessChiefsFan
11-17-2009, 05:57 AM
Totally wrong comparison. Grbac never worried about team building.

Cassel is well liked. He works at the game. Just look at when Savage put the ball on the ground. That is what a leader/teamate does.

Cassel has the second most drops in the NFL. If there were only half as many drops, his completion percentage would be over 60%.

There have been times that I am dissapointed with Cassel. But, it is his third offense in less than a year. I am going to give him at least another year.

SenselessChiefsFan
11-17-2009, 05:58 AM
Did you see him push Albert when he was sacked during the Cowboys game, or yell at the sidelines when a play didn't go his way.

Yeah, because Peyton Manning sucks balls.... or don't you ever see him yell?

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 06:04 AM
Yeah, because Peyton Manning sucks balls.... or don't you ever see him yell?

Only a few of the greats have tempers on the field, because if one loses their cool that temper will lose the game.

Plus, Cassel is not Peyton Manning and hasn't earned that respect to yell and berate his teammates.

The_Doctor10
11-17-2009, 06:28 AM
Cassel's probably a step above Grbac. But Cassel has made a ton of stupid plays this season.

Let's say Maas is right. I thought the entire reason Pioli brought in Cassel was because he ate toughness for breakfast and shat out 20 pounds of leadership every day before going to work. That he was going to be a Tom Brady-type QB with a power, accurate arm and a gritty toughness and smarts to make big plays when necessary.

HUGE ****ing botch on Pioli's part. He's been around that player for 3 years and he STILL midjudges him.

You have to wonder if Haley's approach just isn't getting the most out of Cassel. In Arizona, his QB probably had a longer rope because he was a former MVP and Super Bowl winner, having one of the finest seasons of his career. He's got pedigree. Maybe Haley's been telling Cassel the same thing that many on the Planet have been saying: 'You're nothing without Belichick, you were a product of the system, and you lack the strong, defined jaw-line of Tom Brady to make the ladies of KC go weak at the knees'.

Now I understand there are coaches who are shouters, and they've got great results, but would it seem to me to be counterintuitive to have your QB more scared of the coach flipping shit for calling a time out (When Haley's game-management has been suspect at BEST) than he is of getting pummeled by the defence (And with the line Cassel's had, it's happening sooner rather than later on almost every snap).

Shouting doesn't equal coaching. Haley's gonna have to realize that before he becomes a far less successful Tom Coughlin. Maybe his legacy willl be 'he taught Jamaal Charles how to hold the football' but that would actually require more than just overt threats on Charles' life and excessive f-bombs.

ILChief
11-17-2009, 06:35 AM
And Maas would know this how?

HonestChieffan
11-17-2009, 06:42 AM
Are Maas and Whitlock friends?

They eat together it looks like

chiefzilla1501
11-17-2009, 06:55 AM
I think Stafford will develop in to a bonafide NFL "Golden Arm" in the vein of Elway and Montana, while I see Sanchez as being a new breed of "Warrior QB".
Both will have the ability to put the team on their backs and carry them, albeit in different fashions.

I've taken an honest, introspective look at Cassel in terms of, "Am I being disingenuous with him"? "Am I not giving this guy a chance"? "Is everything he does going to be a FAIL in my eyes"?
I honestly do not feel, think, or believe that I am wrong in my view of this guy. And it's not like I relish the thought of getting another two to three years behind the curve in terms of bringing another QB in, but this team has been so devoid of a true leader in that capacity for so long, that the thought of half-assing it again under new management is MUCH more repulsive.
This franchise NEEDS the "It" guy at that position. Some kid who packs the talent, walks the swagger, carry's the big stick, and pops the competition in the ****ing mouth with it even as a rookie, though not as often as he will as he matures under the franchise.

Whoever that kid may be, we need him.

You have not given an honest look. I have never heard you say one thing that has been even remotely positive about the kid. Not a single time. That's why I don't take any stock in tribal warfare's or your opinion when it comes to Cassel. Everybody's going to pick a side, but credibility comes from being realistic to know that nobody is full of fail and nobody is full of perfection.

Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 07:04 AM
Everybody's going to pick a side, but credibility comes from being realistic to know that nobody is full of fail and nobody is full of perfection.

Cassel is an average to above game manager, and nothing more the guy won't kill your offense, but he doesn't have what it takes to be an upper echelon QB.

Deberg_1990
11-17-2009, 07:13 AM
Said it today on 610. Said that Cassel is not a "general" on the field; not a leader of men. Maas said while he's tall and has a strong arm (looks the part), he doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader or a great qb. His only hope is to be surrounded by talent and not get in the way of that talent. Grbac. :(


Well there you have it. The word of Bill Maas is like gold.

chiefzilla1501
11-17-2009, 07:18 AM
Cassel is an average to above game manager, and nothing more the guy won't kill your offense, but he doesn't have what it takes to be an upper echelon QB.

There, that's better. I don't disagree with that as of now.

The Bad Guy
11-17-2009, 07:37 AM
Only a few of the greats have tempers on the field, because if one loses their cool that temper will lose the game.

Plus, Cassel is not Peyton Manning and hasn't earned that respect to yell and berate his teammates.

It's hilarious how some of you want a softer team.

milkman
11-17-2009, 07:51 AM
Only a few of the greats have tempers on the field, because if one loses their cool that temper will lose the game.

Plus, Cassel is not Peyton Manning and hasn't earned that respect to yell and berate his teammates.

I'm on your side in the Cassel debate, but quite frankly, you are one clueless bastard.

King_Chief_Fan
11-17-2009, 07:52 AM
Said it today on 610. Said that Cassel is not a "general" on the field; not a leader of men. Maas said while he's tall and has a strong arm (looks the part), he doesn't have the personality or mental makeup to be a leader or a great qb. His only hope is to be surrounded by talent and not get in the way of that talent. Grbac. :(

Not sure who should be offended by the comparison -- Grbac or Cassel.

We are stuck wtih Cassel for a while longer. Better get a better offensive plan and surrond him with lots of talent if this team is going to be effective. Cassel should have had a field day against the Raiders...and didn't.

Iowanian
11-17-2009, 07:57 AM
I'm not Cassel's biggest fan so far and think his accuracy sucks. I also don't think he's got as much arm as Grlllbac.

One difference Mass overlooked, Grbac wouldn't play with a sore pinky, Cassel was back in a couple of weeks from an MCL. From the beating he's taken from the lack of Oline(Grbac had a solid Line) I'd say his attitude seems alright. I wish his accuracy, timing were better and he'd get rid of the ball faster.

patteeu
11-17-2009, 08:06 AM
Strong arm, lol

My impression is exactly the opposite. He has the potential for leadership but doesn't have the skills to back it up.

Same here.

It's not proof positive of leadership ability, but there's no way Elvis Grbac would have been working on Savage's psyche on the sideline after his fumble like Cassel was.

It's a shame Croyle is so brittle.

Ralphy Boy
11-17-2009, 08:15 AM
I said this before Cassel isn't mentally/emotionally equipped for the job a franchise QB he gets rattled too easily and is a hot head. Most great QBs have a naturally calm personality, and Cassel has admitted he doesn't possess that trait.

Like Rivers or Favre? I'd take either one of those over El-I-have-no-pulse-Manning

Rooster
11-17-2009, 08:17 AM
Are Maas and Whitlock friends?

No, lovers.

alnorth
11-17-2009, 08:28 AM
I've always felt this "QB leadership" thing was vastly overrated. He's got a job to do, we just need him to be a very good quarterback and make good decisions out there.

If a team is playing around a good quarterback who can help them win games, I believe they will bust their ass to protect him even if he has all the personality and leadership skills of a limp dishrag. To me, this is no different then asking that the Fullback or the Center be a great leader. Why?

memyselfI
11-17-2009, 08:35 AM
On Sunday, I saw a leader go over and give his teammate a pep talk after being vocally raped by the Mad Hatta. That is a leader. Perhaps he's not getting credit for leading because his role has been clean up for Haley's verbal diarrhea and not actually able to step up and be a positive force in the locker room or on the field.

milkman
11-17-2009, 08:40 AM
I've always felt this "QB leadership" thing was vastly overrated. He's got a job to do, we just need him to be a very good quarterback and make good decisions out there.

If a team is playing around a good quarterback who can help them win games, I believe they will bust their ass to protect him even if he has all the personality and leadership skills of a limp dishrag. To me, this is no different then asking that the Fullback or the Center be a great leader. Why?

Leadership is a far more important trait for a QB than you believe.

Sure, when you have the parts in place to be a good team, then yeah, they are going to block, catch, do all the things that good teams to do to win games.

But when things aren't working, then the QB is the guy that evertyone looks to for leadership, the guy they rely on to find a way to overcome whatever difficulties they may be experiencing.

It's why guys like Montana, Elway, Bradshaw, Staubaugh etc...are HoFers and mutiple SB champions.


If the Ravens had a talented leader in this decade, they would have multiple SBs.

The Chiefs were almost lead to the SB by Montana, even though his skills were diminished by the time Carl traded for him, and in spite of Marty, because of his leadership.

milkman
11-17-2009, 08:41 AM
On Sunday, I saw a leader go over and give his teammate a pep talk after being vocally raped by the Mad Hatta. That is a leader. Perhaps he's not getting credit for leading because his role has been clean up for Haley's verbal diarrhea and not actually able to step up and be a positive force in the locker room or on the field.

Please, just shut the fuck up. you stupid bitch.

memyselfI
11-17-2009, 08:44 AM
Please, just shut the **** up. you stupid bitch.

ROFLROFLROFL

Posts like this GUARANTEE that I won't. Thanks for the inspiration! :p:LOL::p:ROFL

milkman
11-17-2009, 08:46 AM
ROFLROFLROFL

Posts like this GUARANTEE that I won't. Thanks for the inspiration! :p:LOL::p:ROFL

I guess stupid bitches are easily inspired.

memyselfI
11-17-2009, 08:49 AM
I guess stupid bitches are easily inspired.

I guess petty pansies are easily irritated.

keg in kc
11-17-2009, 08:51 AM
I don't get that comparison at all.

milkman
11-17-2009, 08:51 AM
I guess petty pansies are easily irritated.

Irritated?

I just feel compelled to call you a stupid bitch.

I call it observational honesty.

memyselfI
11-17-2009, 08:54 AM
I don't get that comparison at all.

Especially after 10 weeks How long did we spend trying to stomach the illusion that Grbackup was the savior Peterson promised?

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 08:54 AM
You have not given an honest look. .


Yes I have, and piss on you.

alpha_omega
11-17-2009, 08:57 AM
I heard this yesterday as well. Not sure what to think at this early stage, but i would like to think Maas is wrong.

Last week on the same radio program, Maas was letting Haley have it pretty good. I don't remember exactly what was said, but it wasn't good. Granted that may be justified, but i thought it was worth mentioning when coupled with what Maas said this week.

Rausch
11-17-2009, 08:58 AM
I heard this yesterday as well. Not sure what to think at this early stage, but i would like to think Maas is wrong.


Who gives a fuck what Mass thinks?...

Rooster
11-17-2009, 09:01 AM
Who gives a **** what Mass thinks?...

This...

Who gives a shit what some washed up has been on a radio show says. Dear lord. It's his job to say things like this. Sometimes I think the people around here were born yesterday.

Redrum_69
11-17-2009, 09:03 AM
Wow. Dumbest thing Maas has ever said.


I thought Maas was a premium subscriber at WPI...you shouldnt be talking about your clientele like that

HemiEd
11-17-2009, 09:09 AM
Maas is usually pretty good, but he's forcing it here. All signs I've seen point to Cassel being much more level-headed and generally self-confident than Grbac. Grbac was a weekly distraction. Coaches and other players were always having to talk him up. "I can't throw the ball and catch it, too" is something you would never, ever hear Cassel say.

I am not totally sold on Cassel yet, but I agree with this. Just this last game, you could see him over talking to, and consoling players after they fucked up. Grbac would have never done that.

milkman
11-17-2009, 09:12 AM
I am not totally sold on Cassel yet, but I agree with this. Just this last game, you could see him over talking to, and consoling players after they ****ed up. Grbac would have never done that.

I'm with you.

I'm not sold on Cassel's talent, but I do believe he's a solid guy in the huddle and around the team.

blaise
11-17-2009, 09:37 AM
Doesn't have what it takes to be a great NFL QB? "Great" NFL QBs come around a few times a decade. You'll be throwing out plenty of QB's if your standard is great/not great. These days you're doing well if you can just get a serviceable NFL QB that can stay on the field. As far as "his only hope is to be surrounded by talent"- ok, just like any other NFL QB. No matter what QB it is, he still needs to be surrounded by talent. What, can you find a QB and say, "Well, we're all set on offense. We've got a great QB. Let's surround him with horse-crap, because this guy doesn't need any talent around him. Let's spend the next 8 years drafting all defensive players."

milkman
11-17-2009, 09:41 AM
Doesn't have what it takes to be a great NFL QB? "Great" NFL QBs come around a few times a decade. You'll be throwing out plenty of QB's if your standard is great/not great. These days you're doing well if you can just get a serviceable NFL QB that can stay on the field. As far as "his only hope is to be surrounded by talent"- ok, just like any other NFL QB. No matter what QB it is, he still needs to be surrounded by talent. What, can you find a QB and say, "Well, we're all set on offense. We've got a great QB. Let's surround him with horse-crap, because this guy doesn't need any talent around him. Let's spend the next 8 years drafting all defensive players."

Give me a franchise QB and a top 5 defense, and I'll take my chances with the rest of the league.

Now, clearly you can't have crap talent on offense surrounding that QB, but solid role players on offense can win a SB in that scenario.

See Tom Brady.

Rausch
11-17-2009, 09:43 AM
Doesn't have what it takes to be a great NFL QB?

Well, he's right about that.

He doesn't have a line, consistent play from his WR's, or playcalling worth a fuck...

Coogs
11-17-2009, 09:46 AM
More than anything else, the one single play from the Grbac era that screams no leadership was the play at the end of the playoff game against Denver. One play to keep the game winning drive going. The one where the headset in his helmet malfunctioned, and he went into full meltdown right there in front of a national TV audience. Pissed right down his leg while slapping the side of his helmet indicating he couldn't hear the coaches call. I still can not see a franchise QB doing that. A Manning, Brady, Favre, Montana, or any other QB would have know what to do in that situation instead of peeing down his leg like Grbac did.

Cassel... I see him being able to make a call and run the correct play under those circumstances without having someone make it for him. Weather or not he could make the play work? :shrug: But he did look better last week than any other game this season. Can he continue to build on that this week against a tougher Steeler defense? If so, then I think maybe he could be a franchise QB. If we take a couple of steps backwards this week, then I would still have to question if he is the correct choice to lead us into the future.

blaise
11-17-2009, 09:48 AM
Give me a franchise QB and a top 5 defense, and I'll take my chances with the rest of the league.

Now, clearly you can't have crap talent on offense surrounding that QB, but solid role players on offense can win a SB in that scenario.

See Tom Brady.

Yeah, and Tom Bradys come around almost never. That was one of my points. If you're sitting around waiting for a Brady or a Manning, you'll be waiting a long time. Even with those guys they still try and surround them with as much talent as possible on offense.

Baby Lee
11-17-2009, 09:49 AM
I watched the entire game. Stafford looked like a young rookie QB with some promise. His receiver did not help him at all. The drops are horrendous on that team. He will be good one day. I prefered him over Sanchez in the draft, we'll see how they turn up.

Non sequitur theater here, posting this here simply because somehow this reminded me of it, but did anyone catch the Rams game? They have a receiver Avery who made two of the sickest catches for TDs I've seen a player on a shitty team make. Hadn't paid much attention to the home town team, but that guy is showing some promise.

milkman
11-17-2009, 09:54 AM
Yeah, and Tom Bradys come around almost never. That was one of my points. If you're sitting around waiting for a Brady or a Manning, you'll be waiting a long time. Even with those guys they still try and surround them with as much talent as possible on offense.

You said it doesn't matter who the QB is.

I refuted that statement.

milkman
11-17-2009, 09:55 AM
Non sequitur theater here, posting this here simply because somehow this reminded me of it, but did anyone catch the Rams game? They have a receiver Avery who made two of the sickest catches for TDs I've seen a player on a shitty team make. Hadn't paid much attention to the home town team, but that guy is showing some promise.

I really liked Donnie Avery coming out of school, but I never expectd him to be drafted as high as he was.

DaWolf
11-17-2009, 09:57 AM
This is why no one is employing Maas anymore...

loochy
11-17-2009, 09:57 AM
Yeah, but is Matt Cassel this sexy? I mean come on! Matt can't compare!

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/sexyelvisgrbac.jpg

patteeu
11-17-2009, 10:03 AM
You said it doesn't matter who the QB is.

I refuted that statement.

It sounded more like you were saying something very similar when you said:

Now, clearly you can't have crap talent on offense surrounding that QB, ...

milkman
11-17-2009, 10:15 AM
It sounded more like you were saying something very similar when you said:

Perhaps I'm misintreperting the meaning of his words when he says "No matter what QB it is, he still needs to be surrounded by talent.", but I believe he's talking about more than simply role players, like the Patriots were on offense when Brady was winning those SBs.

Demonpenz
11-17-2009, 10:18 AM
grbac was a large oaf with a large arm hat lazor locked on Gonzo allthe time. Cassell can scramble his more fire but less arm

wild1
11-17-2009, 10:20 AM
Shouldn't he be trying to sneak pistols into the airport or something?

memyselfI
11-17-2009, 10:22 AM
Yeah, but is Matt Cassel this sexy? I mean come on! Matt can't compare!

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/sexyelvisgrbac.jpg

OMG, I had blocked that horror deep in the dark recesses of my memory...

thanks so much for much for ending my denial. :eek::spock::Lin:

Demonpenz
11-17-2009, 10:25 AM
On Sunday, I saw a leader go over and give his teammate a pep talk after being vocally raped by the Mad Hatta. That is a leader. Perhaps he's not getting credit for leading because his role has been clean up for Haley's verbal diarrhea and not actually able to step up and be a positive force in the locker room or on the field.

Haley does have a bad case of verbal Diarrhea. I used the exact discription myself.

Rausch
11-17-2009, 10:25 AM
Haley does have a bad case of verbal Diarrhea. I used the exact discription myself.

Anyone who says fuck more than me is probably not a healthy person...

Demonpenz
11-17-2009, 10:27 AM
Anyone who says **** more than me is probably not a healthy person...

it's not even the words that are impressive, it's the fact that I am surprised bowe didn't turn into sand with the look haley gave him

milkman
11-17-2009, 10:29 AM
Anyone who says **** more than me is probably not a healthy person...

Should I seek help?

Rausch
11-17-2009, 10:30 AM
Should I seek help?

I post less, I don't fucking talk less...

milkman
11-17-2009, 10:31 AM
I post less, I don't ****ing talk less...

Well fuck you then...fucker.

Demonpenz
11-17-2009, 10:31 AM
he is more gannon, throws side arm sometimes, moble, throws dink and dunk passes

Rausch
11-17-2009, 10:37 AM
Well **** you then...****er.

And why the fuck do I have 25k posts?

TRR
11-17-2009, 10:40 AM
This is a completely idiotic statement. Cassel may not have "elite" talent, but he is a very good leader from what I have seen, and what his teammates have stated.

Elite talent is few and far between. You need a leader, and Cassel is definitely that. I loved the way he took Savage under his wing after his mistakes and stayed with receivers after drops. A lesser "leader" may have packed it in after the horrid OL play this season.
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milkman
11-17-2009, 10:41 AM
And why the **** do I have 25k posts?

How the fuck should I know?

Do I fucking look the the fucking answer man to you?

keg in kc
11-17-2009, 10:46 AM
Maas is usually pretty good, but he's forcing it here. All signs I've seen point to Cassel being much more level-headed and generally self-confident than Grbac. Grbac was a weekly distraction. Coaches and other players were always having to talk him up. "I can't throw the ball and catch it, too" is something you would never, ever hear Cassel say.Yeah, I'd agree on that.

Micjones
11-17-2009, 11:04 AM
Maas usually has good football takes. He's wrong this time.
Cassel may or may not be the answer, but he is NOT Elvis Grbac.

Grbac was NEVER the kind of QB to go and wrap his arm around a young player after they made a mistake on the field.

Rausch
11-17-2009, 11:07 AM
How the **** should I know?

Do I ****ing look the the ****ing answer man to you?

Not yet...

Simply Red
11-17-2009, 11:16 AM
didn't Maas get busted w/ Crack or something?:rolleyes:

Frazod
11-17-2009, 11:16 AM
And why the fuck do I have 25k posts?

n00b. LMAO

gblowfish
11-17-2009, 11:18 AM
Cassel reminds me more of Bill Kenney.

At least he hasn't sat out due to marginal injury like a "neck burner...."

memyselfI
11-17-2009, 11:29 AM
I REALLY wish the archives could go back in time to show this is exactly what I surmised happened as far as what transpired between Elvis and People magazine. ROFLROFLROFL


http://jeffpearlman.com/index.php?s=elvis+grbac


One of my favorite all-time stories is about Elvis Grbac (left), Rich Gannon (right) and People Magazine’s Sexiest Men issue from 1998. It is both outlandish and 100-percent true.

Back in the day I knew many People staffers, and they were all cool, fun, intelligent—and woefully ignorant about sports. Every year, in planning the Sexiest Men issue, People’s editors would ask a bunch of us at Sports Illustrated for suggestions and insight. In 1998, for a reason I’ll never understand, they decided not to seek out help.

The magazine chose Rich Gannon as its Sexiest Athlete. At the time, Gannon was a member of the Kansas City Chiefs. Still a couple of seasons removed from his golden tenure with the Raiders, Gannon was 33, handsome and likable. In other words, a solid choice. Yet People, being People, simply informed the photographer assigned to the piece that the Sexiest Athlete was the Chiefs’ quarterback. Hence, he took pictures of the Chiefs’ quarterback. Well, one of the Chiefs’ quarterbacks: Elvis Grbac.

Yup.

The pictures made their way back to the New York offices, and editors were dumbfounded. This was their Sexiest Athlete? Yet upon learning the truth, no one with the magazine had the heart (guts?) to tell Grbac that an unfathomable mistake had been made. As a result, Elvis Grbac reigns as People’s 1998 Sexiest Athlete.

The article’s final line says it all: “His personality makes him sexy.”

Amen.

LaChapelle
11-17-2009, 11:34 AM
Gunn must have been heartbroke. Missed having a sweet babboII by this>< much.

58kcfan89
11-17-2009, 11:43 AM
This is a completely idiotic statement. Cassel may not have "elite" talent, but he is a very good leader from what I have seen, and what his teammates have stated.

Elite talent is few and far between. You need a leader, and Cassel is definitely that. I loved the way he took Savage under his wing after his mistakes and stayed with receivers after drops. A lesser "leader" may have packed it in after the horrid OL play this season.
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This. I don't necessarily think Cassel has elite talent, and yes, he has made some mistakes. But I think a lot of the problems we're seeing with him are a mixture of a new team and a horrible OL with only 1 real weapon to throw to.

Give him a league-average (or preferrably better) OL and more than 1 guy to throw to, then if he's still not doing much better, we'll talk about Cassel being a disappointment.

Mr. Laz
11-17-2009, 11:54 AM
Maas is stupid, cassel is nothing like Grbac

Grbac was a strong arm QB who wasn't mobile and was a prima donna douche

cassel is a average arm QB who is mobile and not a prima donna at all.


Cassel may or may not turn out to be a stud QB but the comparison to Grbac is totally stupid.

Cassel is more like Jeff Garcia if anything

blaise
11-17-2009, 12:15 PM
Cassel reminds me more of David Carr.

Jawshco
11-17-2009, 12:39 PM
I REALLY wish the archives could go back in time to show this is exactly what I surmised happened as far as what transpired between Elvis and People magazine. ROFLROFLROFL


http://jeffpearlman.com/index.php?s=elvis+grbac

Wow, that's hilarious. I remember seeing that issue and thinking that they had lost thier minds. Grbac was NOT sexy. The dude's head looked like Frankenstein's monster and the neanderthal had a baby.


Remember that game against San Diego (probably around 1997) when Grbac sat out with a sore pinky? That guy was a wimp with no heart. We had to watch as old man moon went out there and got creamed so that SD could get their 1st win of the season. Horrible game!

Cassel is nothing like that. He touched his way back from an injury and has shown, heart, leadership, and passion for the game. He's smarter and more mobile than Grbac. However, Grbac had a much better arm, a quicker release, but was an idiot and a wimp. In many ways, these two guys are opposites.

Jawshco
11-17-2009, 12:53 PM
Cassel reminds me more of David Carr.

That's what I was thinking. Cassel is a bit more fiery than Carr and more mobile for sure. Carr's arm is probably stronger, but their accuracy, vision and tendency to hold on to the ball too long is identical. All in all, Carr had more upside coming out of college, but after being shell shocked in Houston behind the terrible O-line, I'd definitely give the edge to Cassel with what he's been able to scrape together behind our awful line.

milkman
11-17-2009, 01:01 PM
That's what I was thinking. Cassel is a bit more fiery than Carr and more mobile for sure. Carr's arm is probably stronger, but their accuracy, vision and tendency to hold on to the ball too long is identical. All in all, Carr had more upside coming out of college, but after being shell shocked in Houston behind the terrible O-line, I'd definitely give the edge to Cassel with what he's been able to scrape together behind our awful line.

Do you not see the problem with this post on Carr.

Carr held the ball too long, and was shell shocked behind the terrible O-Line?

Carr made that O-Line look terrible, when in fact they actually, at the very least, adequate.

The year Carr was replaced by Shaub, that O-Line, whose only "upgrade" was Jordan Balck gave up almost a third of the number of sacks they had with Carr at QB the previous year.

googlegoogle
11-17-2009, 01:43 PM
Bill Maas wanted us to draft that big Somoan guy in the draft couple of years ago.

what does that say?

Jawshco
11-17-2009, 01:56 PM
Do you not see the problem with this post on Carr.

Carr held the ball too long, and was shell shocked behind the terrible O-Line?

Carr made that O-Line look terrible, when in fact they actually, at the very least, adequate.

The year Carr was replaced by Shaub, that O-Line, whose only "upgrade" was Jordan Balck gave up almost a third of the number of sacks they had with Carr at QB the previous year.

I definitely see the problem. I've been watching it all year. The good thing is that Cassel has the mobility that Carr did not, and our O- line is probably worse than theirs.

In the right system I think Carr could be a decent QB. He just needs more time to find his recievers than did Shaub. Of course, I'm probably biased because I'm from Fresno, but the guys was pretty impressive when he was in college. Some guys just really suck when they get rattled, but can pick you apart if they have the time. Jay Cutler is like that- he's good if he has time throw, but sucks when he'd pressured. I can't imagine him succeeding behind our or the line Carr had in Houston. Perhaps, you could even say the same thing about Kurt Warner. I thought that guy was finished when he was playing behind a bad line, but look at him now. Doesn't look like the same guy who got benched in favor of Bulger.

I say we give Cassel a pass this season. He has a horrible line, subpar recievers, disasters at TE And FB, and up until last week very little in the way of a running game. He's no star QB, but he's our best player on offense, and can be productive if we put a little talent around him.

blaise
11-17-2009, 02:04 PM
He reminds me of Carr because when you're watching him you're not sure how much is him holding the ball too long and how much is poor offensive line. And, like Carr, when Cassel has had chances to make a deep throw to an open receiver he's missed more of those opportunities than I would have expected. Both have some mobility, both say (or said) the right things, and both seem fairly tough when taking the hits. Right now when I see Cassel I see quite a bit of David Carr.

CoMoChief
11-17-2009, 03:05 PM
Strong arm my ass, ever seen him throw the deep ball, Bill???? or were you too coked out of your mind and drunk?.......again

Rausch
11-17-2009, 03:09 PM
Bill Maas wanted us to draft that big Somoan guy in the draft couple of years ago.

what does that say?

Fucking Samoan guys tend to know how to play football.

I'll take my chances with random racial opinions like that...

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 03:11 PM
Fucking Samoan guys tend to know how to play football.



Chiefs don't win SHIT until we acquire one.:D

GoHuge
11-17-2009, 04:20 PM
As long as I don't hear Matt say "I bet I can throw a football over that mountain" than I'll give him time. In all reality he's a second year NFL QB on one of the shittiest teams with one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Not only that but until Sunday he's had no running game to speak of and two (well now one, thanks Bowe) NFL reciever! Remember the chicken salad out of chicken shit quote that was so popular around here? That is what some here seem to think he should be doing. That's just not fair to ask that of him. And btw Maas feels gun laws don't apply to him and was arrested with enough drugs on him just a couple years ago to have everyone on this team stoned for days. He's got enough problems making judgement calls in his own life he doesn't need to be saying shit about who or what somebody else is. Sadly this is coming from somebody that hunted with and knew Bill pretty well for about five years. When I knew him I thought he was the all around coolest guys I'd ever met. Hell he even picked me up from school early one day when I was like sixteen so we could go hunting together. Walked into the cafeteria (after my parents had called and he went into the office) and said "hey come on we're going hunting." Fifteen years ago that was a big ass deal to me and everybody else that just say Bill Maas come in and pretty much saw "hey lets get the hell out of here." I did my best to just calmly get up and tell my wide eye friends "see ya later." Not sure what the hell happened to the guy over the last five years. Really disappointing to me on a personal level.
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Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 04:29 PM
As long as I don't hear Matt say "I bet I can throw a football over that mountain" than I'll give him time.

:spock: Mount Lenexa? Mount Lees Summit perhaps?:evil:

Direckshun
11-17-2009, 04:32 PM
Only a few of the greats have tempers on the field, because if one loses their cool that temper will lose the game.

Plus, Cassel is not Peyton Manning and hasn't earned that respect to yell and berate his teammates.

Good lord, I've seen Marino berate his offensive line for a minute.

I thought this was common knowledge.

GoHuge
11-17-2009, 04:44 PM
:spock: Mount Lenexa? Mount Lees Summit perhaps?:evil:
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GoHuge
11-17-2009, 04:46 PM
:spock: Mount Lenexa? Mount Lees Summit perhaps?:evil:
That one Uncle Rico was talking about. That was a big mountain!
:)
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Tribal Warfare
11-17-2009, 04:58 PM
Good lord, I've seen Marino berate his offensive line for a minute.

I thought this was common knowledge.


I said very few and he's an exception to the rule. yYu are talking about a HOFer their so don't even mention a guy like that with Cassel

Raised On Riots
11-17-2009, 04:59 PM
That one Uncle Rico was talking about. That was a big mountain!
:)
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I don't think Uncle Rico would play for this team.