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HonestChieffan
11-18-2009, 06:55 AM
I'm no Palin fan but just reading this little snippet, she sounds quite mainstream. I would guess many people would agree that this entire idea that "profiling is bad" is borderline insanity. And Id bet most would agree we ahve no obligation to war criminals to haul their ass to NYC and give them the world stage to spew hate.

"(Weekly Standard)- I spoke to Governor Palin by phone this afternoon. Lots of interesting material, but to me the most interesting takeaways were the following:

1) I asked about Palin's upcoming visit to Ft. Hood. "We had planned on that before the tragedy struck," she said. She commented on the trail of evidence linking the alleged Ft. Hood shooter, Maj. Nidal Hasan, to militant Islam. "There were such clear, obvious, massive warning signs that were missed," she said. "This terrorist, even having business cards" that identified him as an "SoA" or soldier of Allah. Palin blamed a culture of political correctness and other decisions that "prevented -- I'm going to say it -- profiling" of someone with Hasan's extremist ideology. "I say, profile away,"Palin said. Such political correctness, she continued, "could be our downfall." If the upcoming investigations into the attack reveal bad decision-making on the part of senior officials, Palin continued, those officials ought to be fired.

Palin visits Ft. Hood on December 4. She plans to donate all the royalties from her book-signing there to the families of the victims.

2) I also asked Governor Palin about Attorney General Holder's decision to try September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohamed in federal court in New York City.

"Does KSM deserve constitutional rights?" I asked.

Palin's response: "Not no, but hell no."

And she went on: "That was an atrocious decision," she said. "And it makes a mockery of our judicial system." She focused in particular on the fear that "war criminals" like KSM and his accomplices will use the trial as a "platform" to denigrate America.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/11/palin_on_nidal_hasan_profile_a_1.asp

King_Chief_Fan
11-18-2009, 09:22 AM
Whether you like Palin or not, you have to admit...she is right on those comments

L.A. Chieffan
11-18-2009, 09:28 AM
are you still supposed to call her governor even though shes not one?

thecoffeeguy
11-18-2009, 09:28 AM
Not sure what to think of her just yet.

But she seems pretty down to earth person.

King_Chief_Fan
11-18-2009, 09:37 AM
Not sure what to think of her just yet.

But she seems pretty down to earth person.

much more down to earth than that "clown" in your avatar

RINGLEADER
11-18-2009, 09:40 AM
Not sure what to think of her just yet.

But she seems pretty down to earth person.

I tend to agree.

She's great on basic issues.

Is terrorism bad? "No just yes, but hell yes!"

Ask her something even slightly complicated and she defaults into rambling nonsense to hide the fact that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She's a joke, and every day she remains a possibility for the 2012 race is another day that Obama should smile.

Brock
11-18-2009, 09:42 AM
She needs to fade off into history.

blaise
11-18-2009, 09:49 AM
She needs to fade off into history.

She will. I think much more people on the left want her to be a Presidential candidate than people on the right. She has about zero percent chance of being nominated or even being on the ticket.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 09:54 AM
are you still supposed to call her governor even though shes not one?

I still call Presidents Clinton and Bush by their title as well. So does most of the media.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 09:56 AM
Regarding her comment on the terrorists and their upcoming trials:

Has anyone stated or defended the assumption by the POTUS that trying these men in NY City is the right thing to do?

What benefit does he have in doing so?

HonestChieffan
11-18-2009, 10:02 AM
Its an attempt as I understand it to appease the Muslims who he is trying to see the US as their friend or some garbage. Its all based on such twisted logic as that. And of course the way way far lefties see it as the right thing to do and he has to throw them a bone.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 10:04 AM
Its an attempt as I understand it to appease the Muslims who he is trying to see the US as their friend or some garbage. Its all based on such twisted logic as that. And of course the way way far lefties see it as the right thing to do and he has to throw them a bone.

So he is trying war criminals from other nations committing crimes against America in other nations as crimes committed in America in the most public city in the United States to appease some people from other nations?

Geez, does anyone else get the impression of Nero playing his fiddle while watching the flames get higher when thinking of the POTUS?

Amnorix
11-18-2009, 10:08 AM
Ask her something even slightly complicated and she defaults into rambling nonsense to hide the fact that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She's a joke, and every day she remains a possibility for the 2012 race is another day that Obama should smile.

This.

Amnorix
11-18-2009, 10:11 AM
Regarding her comment on the terrorists and their upcoming trials:

Has anyone stated or defended the assumption by the POTUS that trying these men in NY City is the right thing to do?

What benefit does he have in doing so?

What do you think of the Nuremberg trials? Churchill basically wanted them all taken behind a building somewhere and shot. I think history has largely vindicated the decision to hold the trials, even though they were, to a degree, just for show.

It's more or less the same argument.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 10:32 AM
This.

Oh, I think she is too emotional to ever be effective, as shown in live interviews. I pray she never gets the nomination.

But I don't think she is unintelligent in any way.

We have had mass media pumping at us that ALL right wing candidates are unintelligent since Gerald Ford. The prejudice is just a tired hat for lazy media types.

Of course the same media types (and left wing sycophants) ignore the following more than Charlie Gibson ignores ACORN:

"I bowled a 129,it was Special Olympics"
"The time has changed for come"
"Let me be absolutely clear, Israel is a strong friend of Israel's"
"I wanna be very clear, we are resolved to halt the rise of privacy" (when speaking on PIRACY)
"This week there was a tragedy in Kansas, 10,000 people died" (only 11 residents died, Mr. President).
"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings, and inefficiences to our healthcare system"
Obama reading the teleprompter for the Irish Prime Minister's speech. He didn't realize his faux pas until he actually thanked himself in the speech.
One of my personal favorites "I don't know what the term is in Austrian" . Mr. President, there is no such language as "Austrian".

He is absolutely atrocious without his script writers.

I have seen fewer "uh uh uhs" from a kid trying to explain his hidden porn collection than when the screen goes blank on our POTUS.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 10:33 AM
What do you think of the Nuremberg trials? Churchill basically wanted them all taken behind a building somewhere and shot. I think history has largely vindicated the decision to hold the trials, even though they were, to a degree, just for show.

It's more or less the same argument.

So they are being tried as War Criminals?

BucEyedPea
11-18-2009, 10:41 AM
The right bettah also worry if they don't ditch our NC foreign policy, pro-amnesty stances.
A lot of people are fed up with the key stances of both parties.

fan4ever
11-18-2009, 10:41 AM
I tend to agree.

She's great on basic issues.

Is terrorism bad? "No just yes, but hell yes!"

Ask her something even slightly complicated and she defaults into rambling nonsense to hide the fact that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She's a joke, and every day she remains a possibility for the 2012 race is another day that Obama should smile.

I think the left was afraid of her and has attacked her like no other vice presidential candidate I ever saw, but she is damaged goods now that she has deserted the governorship. I can see it in 2012 if she were to run..."How do we know you won't desert your post like you did in Alaska when the going gets tough..."

I've always somewhat liked her (a lot more than McCain) but don't want to see her on the ticket in 2012.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 10:42 AM
I think the left was afraid of her and has attacked her like no other vice presidential candidate I ever saw, but she is damaged goods now that she has deserted the governorship. I can see it in 2012 if she were to run..."How do we know you won't desert your post like you did in Alaska when the going gets tough..."

I've always somewhat liked her (a lot more than McCain) but don't want to see her on the ticket in 2012.

You evidently have never heard of Dan Quayle

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 10:44 AM
She speaks for Real America almost as well as Glenn Beck does. If Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin had a child, it would be the embodiment of American glory. It would bake apple pies and wrestle cattle, kill the Nazis and the communists, and produce great movies and jazz records and pitch a perfect game. All on the same day.

Sometimes I forget what America is. But then I see Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and that rush of nostalgia hits me. I see the corn fields, the John Deere tractor in the shed, the 1964 combine bought at an auction for $3000 by Pa last summer. Ma in her apron, cooking sausage and eggs for Will and me when we get done milking the cows.

L.A. Chieffan
11-18-2009, 10:47 AM
I still call Presidents Clinton and Bush by their title as well. So does most of the media.

um ok.

KC native
11-18-2009, 11:03 AM
She speaks for Real America almost as well as Glenn Beck does. If Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin had a child, it would be the embodiment of American glory. It would bake apple pies and wrestle cattle, kill the Nazis and the communists, and produce great movies and jazz records and pitch a perfect game. All on the same day.

Sometimes I forget what America is. But then I see Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and that rush of nostalgia hits me. I see the corn fields, the John Deere tractor in the shed, the 1964 combine bought at an auction for $3000 by Pa last summer. Ma in her apron, cooking sausage and eggs for Will and me when we get done milking the cows.

ROFL

fan4ever
11-18-2009, 11:15 AM
You evidently have never heard of Dan Quayle

Quayle said a lot of stupid stuff and set himself up quite a bit "...you sir are no John F. Kennedy". I think he was considered pretty much a harmless buffoon...I don't think the left was nearly as concerned about him or went through his personal life like they did Palin...and Quayle's run was back when the media was still trying to show SOME level of journalistic integrity.

fan4ever
11-18-2009, 11:17 AM
She speaks for Real America almost as well as Glenn Beck does. If Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin had a child, it would be the embodiment of American glory. It would bake apple pies and wrestle cattle, kill the Nazis and the communists, and produce great movies and jazz records and pitch a perfect game. All on the same day.

Sometimes I forget what America is. But then I see Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and that rush of nostalgia hits me. I see the corn fields, the John Deere tractor in the shed, the 1964 combine bought at an auction for $3000 by Pa last summer. Ma in her apron, cooking sausage and eggs for Will and me when we get done milking the cows.

Damn, that's beautiful. Can you take me back to when?

Donger
11-18-2009, 11:18 AM
What do you think of the Nuremberg trials? Churchill basically wanted them all taken behind a building somewhere and shot. I think history has largely vindicated the decision to hold the trials, even though they were, to a degree, just for show.

It's more or less the same argument.

I think they were great because it didn't treat war criminals like civilians. Unless I'm wrong (and I'm never wrong), Nuremberg was a military tribunal.

blaise
11-18-2009, 11:19 AM
Damn, that's beautiful. Can you take me back to when?

I doubt it. That's pollyanna horsecrap no one should buy into. What we really need is more hope and change.

Baby Lee
11-18-2009, 11:21 AM
Regarding her comment on the terrorists and their upcoming trials:

Has anyone stated or defended the assumption by the POTUS that trying these men in NY City is the right thing to do?

What benefit does he have in doing so?

Putting the CIA on trial without putting individual CIA members on trial.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 11:27 AM
Quayle said a lot of stupid stuff and set himself up quite a bit "...you sir are no John F. Kennedy". I think he was considered pretty much a harmless buffoon...I don't think the left was nearly as concerned about him or went through his personal life like they did Palin...and Quayle's run was back when the media was still trying to show SOME level of journalistic integrity.

Not at all. For every quote you can find for Quayle, I can do the same for Clinton, Reagan, Bush, even Obama. Quayle is no physicist, but he is and was a bright and driven man.

I am betting you are young - no malice intended. I didn't see any integrity at all with Dan Quayle. As long as I can remember the press has attacked the intelligence of the right - and the Hollywood left has joined in. Hell, Chevy Chase started almost every SNL dressed as Gerald Ford and falling down during his entire election campaign.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 11:29 AM
Putting the CIA on trial without putting individual CIA members on trial.

And lambasting the previous administration instead of taking care of your own.

dirk digler
11-18-2009, 11:31 AM
Regarding her comment on the terrorists and their upcoming trials:

Has anyone stated or defended the assumption by the POTUS that trying these men in NY City is the right thing to do?

What benefit does he have in doing so?

I think Holder and Obama said it best today.

"I have every confidence that the nation and the world will see him for the coward that he is," Holder told the committee. "I'm not scared of what Khalid Sheik Mohammed has to say at trial – and no one else needs to be either."

"We need not cower in the face of this enemy," Holder says. "Our institutions are strong, our infrastructure is sturdy, our resolve is firm, and our people are ready."

"We are at war, and we will use every instrument of national power – civilian, military, law enforcement, intelligence, diplomatic and others – to win,"

“I think this notion that we have to be fearful that these terrorists possess some special powers that prevent us from presenting evidence against them, locking them up and exacting swift justice, I think that has been a fundamental mistake,” Obama said in an interview with CNN.

Baby Lee
11-18-2009, 11:32 AM
Not at all. For every quote you can find for Quayle, I can do the same for Clinton, Reagan, Bush, even Obama. Quayle is no physicist, but he is and was a bright and driven man.

I am betting you are young - no malice intended. I didn't see any integrity at all with Dan Quayle. As long as I can remember the press has attacked the intelligence of the right - and the Hollywood left has joined in. Hell, Chevy Chase started almost every SNL dressed as Gerald Ford and falling down during his entire election campaign.

I thought Quayle ran a pretty effective and mature campaign in '96, but it was Dole's 'turn.'

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 11:33 AM
I think Holder and Obama said it best today.

So we are doing this trial in NY as a non-military trial simply as a show of force?

I still don't get it. It seems like a big ego whack off to me.

Warrior5
11-18-2009, 11:39 AM
I think they were great because it didn't treat war criminals like civilians. Unless I'm wrong (and I'm never wrong), Nuremberg was a military tribunal.

You're not wrong.

fan4ever
11-18-2009, 11:41 AM
Not at all. For every quote you can find for Quayle, I can do the same for Clinton, Reagan, Bush, even Obama. Quayle is no physicist, but he is and was a bright and driven man.

I am betting you are young - no malice intended. I didn't see any integrity at all with Dan Quayle. As long as I can remember the press has attacked the intelligence of the right - and the Hollywood left has joined in. Hell, Chevy Chase started almost every SNL dressed as Gerald Ford and falling down during his entire election campaign.

Nope; I'm past 40 . . . so maybe it's just that Palin's stuff is fresher and more in the forefront of my mind, but I have a pretty good memory.

Quayle once said "I love San Diego...I practically grew up in Phoenix". I don't think he was a "dumb" guy, but I think he wasn't at all slick, and God knows that's what's really important nowadays. :rolleyes:

As far as SNL, I know the show sucks now, but did you watch during the campaign? Tina Fey doing Palin for weeks on end? And if she didn't have her own gig going, she'd been a regular like Chase.

Both candidates went through the thresher, but I think it's remarkable Palin still gets attacked now and the election is over . . . at least with Quayle a lot of the crap he caught was because he was in office. Had they lost, he'd have been pretty ignored IMO. Plus, I don't remember a lot of Quayle's family/children being targeted or the brunt of jokes by late night a-holes.

I'm not trying to continue a pissing contest; we're usually of like mind, at least on my end.

talastan
11-18-2009, 11:42 AM
She speaks for Real America almost as well as Glenn Beck does. If Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin had a child, it would be the embodiment of American glory. It would bake apple pies and wrestle cattle, kill the Nazis and the communists, and produce great movies and jazz records and pitch a perfect game. All on the same day.

Sometimes I forget what America is. But then I see Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and that rush of nostalgia hits me. I see the corn fields, the John Deere tractor in the shed, the 1964 combine bought at an auction for $3000 by Pa last summer. Ma in her apron, cooking sausage and eggs for Will and me when we get done milking the cows.

And something is wrong with this?! Wow If you like European Socialism so much it might be easier just to relocate Jenson. I personally like being known for what you've listed above.

Donger
11-18-2009, 11:47 AM
I think Holder and Obama said it best today.

So, Holder just basically called our military cowards.

KCWolfman
11-18-2009, 11:59 AM
And something is wrong with this?! Wow If you like European Socialism so much it might be easier just to relocate Jenson. I personally like being known for what you've listed above.

Not at all, Comrade Jenson just wants the dream shared evenly by all citizens - regardless of the race, creed, sex, or amount of effort they put in.
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KC native
11-18-2009, 12:02 PM
So, Holder just basically called our military cowards.

You don't read good does you?

Donger
11-18-2009, 12:06 PM
You don't read good does you?

Yes, I read fine. Surely Obama and Holder think that for some reason, a military tribunal was not sufficient to try these men. They both seem eager to bring up the word "cower," so I don't think it is unreasonable to link the two.

Calcountry
11-18-2009, 12:11 PM
much more down to earth than that "clown" in your avatarI have said it many times. If we are too soft to kill a fuggin chicken, then how in the heck or we going to defeat terrorists?

Sarah is rock hard, not some flabby ass like Hillary. She is good with a gun too. I like that in a President.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 12:31 PM
And something is wrong with this?! Wow If you like European Socialism so much it might be easier just to relocate Jenson. I personally like being known for what you've listed above.

Nothing's wrong with it. Personally, I like it too. I also think it's hilariously sad that the Republican party makes their fortunes playing off these identities. I'm real America! Hey, subsidies to family farms is socialism!! You want subsidies, you work hard and become a multi-million dollar agri-factory, and then we'll give you some money provided some of it's funneled back into our campaign donation box. I hate Wall-Street! I hate New York East coast bias! It ain't real America! Hey, look! Dom Perignon at Sardi's tonight after David Mamet's new play!

HonestChieffan
11-18-2009, 12:34 PM
What is an agri-factory?

Reaper16
11-18-2009, 12:36 PM
What is an agri-factory?
Agriculture factory. You know, one of the giant facilities run by the 4 or 5 companies that run our entire food supply.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 12:43 PM
What is an agri-factory?

It's a new word I just made up. Like agri-business. It combines agriculture and business. In my case, I combine agriculture and factory. Agri-factory. Factory farms.

blaise
11-18-2009, 12:46 PM
Nothing's wrong with it. Personally, I like it too. I also think it's hilariously sad that the Republican party makes their fortunes playing off these identities. I'm real America! Hey, subsidies to family farms is socialism!! You want subsidies, you work hard and become a multi-million dollar agri-factory, and then we'll give you some money provided some of it's funneled back into our campaign donation box. I hate Wall-Street! I hate New York East coast bias! It ain't real America! Hey, look! Dom Perignon at Sardi's tonight after David Mamet's new play!

I don't get it though. I know Republicans play off the apple pie, Chevrolet good ole American stuff, but the Democrats do something very similar. They just present it as "The real working class folks trying to get a toe up in this lopsided world by despite all the obstacles."
It might be wrapped a different way, but they're selling a bill of goods just the same.

KC native
11-18-2009, 12:46 PM
Yes, I read fine. Surely Obama and Holder think that for some reason, a military tribunal was not sufficient to try these men. They both seem eager to bring up the word "cower," so I don't think it is unreasonable to link the two.

Well, have fun in your own reality then.

Direckshun
11-18-2009, 12:46 PM
The left isn't worried. The left is just fascinated with Palin; all told, she is a fascinating character.

The left is also convinced that a Palin candidacy would automatically translate to Obama's second term.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 12:50 PM
I don't get it though. I know Republicans play off the apple pie, Chevrolet good ole American stuff, but the Democrats do something very similar. They just present it as "The real working class folks trying to get a toe up in this lopsided world by despite all the obstacles."
It might be wrapped a different way, but they're selling a bill of goods just the same.

I don't remember the last time the working class was mentioned by a Democrat. The Democrats are very similar to the Republicans. The only difference is they make a few concessions to the poor every once in a while and are more easily swayed by rich minority groups.

alpha_omega
11-18-2009, 12:50 PM
The left is also convinced that a Palin candidacy would automatically translate to Obama's second term.

If that's true...why all the attacks on her from the left?

Donger
11-18-2009, 12:51 PM
The left isn't worried. The left is just fascinated with Palin; all told, she is a fascinating character.

The left is also convinced that a Palin candidacy would automatically translate to Obama's second term.

So, liberals want to see her get the nomination and then fail?

blaise
11-18-2009, 12:55 PM
So, liberals want to see her get the nomination and then fail?

I'm pretty sure that's what most of them want. She's a punchline.

Amnorix
11-18-2009, 12:57 PM
I think they were great because it didn't treat war criminals like civilians. Unless I'm wrong (and I'm never wrong), Nuremberg was a military tribunal.

Hey, you're wrong. :D

It was a mix. I remembered it being a mix, but had to look it up to get the names right. Only guy I could remember specifically was Jackson as lead prosecutor.

Each of the four powers appointed one judge and one alternate. The Soviets appointed a general, of course, and a guy who was a judge at Stalin's show trials of the mid/late 30s when he purged the military. The Brits had a military guy, with a civilian alternate. The US and French had civilians -- the US main judge was Francis Biddle, former US AG under Roosevelt.

3 of the 4 prosecutors were non-military.

Obviously, however, the military was INVOLVED throughout the process, and were in charge of security and detaining the Nazi leadership etc.

The entire affair was rather ad hoc and multinational, so it's not as if it followed any particular country's military trial system.

I do note, of course, that the criminals were not given US constitutional rights or a trial in the US or anything.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:02 PM
are you still supposed to call her governor even though shes not one?

Are you not familiar with addressing those that have been in office? Why do they still call Bob Dole Senator? Why do they still call Bill Clinton Mr. President? Why do they still call Hillary bitch?

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:03 PM
"

Ask her something even slightly complicated and she defaults into rambling nonsense to hide the fact that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She's a joke, and every day she remains a possibility for the 2012 race is another day that Obama should smile.

Have you ever listened to Obama without his teleprompter?

Amnorix
11-18-2009, 01:06 PM
So they are being tried as War Criminals?

No idea. I haven't heard WTF they are doing. Nor am I in favor of what they are doing YET, as I haven't heard sufficient details.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:08 PM
She speaks for Real America almost as well as Glenn Beck does. If Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin had a child, it would be the embodiment of American glory. It would bake apple pies and wrestle cattle, kill the Nazis and the communists, and produce great movies and jazz records and pitch a perfect game. All on the same day.

Sometimes I forget what America is. But then I see Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and that rush of nostalgia hits me. I see the corn fields, the John Deere tractor in the shed, the 1964 combine bought at an auction for $3000 by Pa last summer. Ma in her apron, cooking sausage and eggs for Will and me when we get done milking the cows.

What is "Real America"? I'm pretty sure I know what it is, but what is your definition?

Your uberliberal teachers have done their job, brainwashed another weak minded child into thinking their way instead of finding what truths there actually are out there.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:10 PM
I think they were great because it didn't treat war criminals like civilians. Unless I'm wrong (and I'm never wrong), Nuremberg was a military tribunal.

Oops, another falicy in the upcoming criminal trials in NYC.

I don't see a problem with military tribunals, the people in question may not be actually be classed as war criminals but they were captured and or detained while performing warlike acts against the U.S.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:14 PM
What is "Real America"? I'm pretty sure I know what it is, but what is your definition?

Your uberliberal teachers have done their job, brainwashed another weak minded child into thinking their way instead of finding what truths there actually are out there.

To me, real America is gay sex, American Idol, racist, sexist, imperialist, destructive, backwards, and Brittney Spears.

What is your definition of real America?

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:17 PM
It's a new word I just made up. Like agri-business. It combines agriculture and business. In my case, I combine agriculture and factory. Agri-factory. Factory farms.

So in a literate society you are using gibberish? If it's not a word you better get it copyrighted so you can make your fortune.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:19 PM
I don't remember the last time the working class was mentioned by a Democrat. The Democrats are very similar to the Republicans. The only difference is they make a few concessions to the poor every once in a while and are more easily swayed by rich minority groups.

Once in a while? Try every f*cking day they cater to the poor. Where do you think the liberal voting base lies? It's not in the conservative neighborhoods.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:19 PM
So in a literate society you are using gibberish? If it's not a word you better get it copyrighted so you can make your fortune.

I don't want a fortune from it. You can use it. Anyone can.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:21 PM
To me, real America is gay sex, American Idol, racist, sexist, imperialist, destructive, backwards, and Brittney Spears.

What is your definition of real America?


After an answer like that you expect an honest response? Not today, thanks.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:22 PM
I don't want a fortune from it. You can use it. Anyone can.

You don't want to make a fortune? Afraid that Obama will share it with the rest of the country? Or maybe
looking forward to living off of the working conservatives in the U.S.

I'll stick with real words we can find reference to in Websters.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:30 PM
After an answer like that you expect an honest response? Not today, thanks.

Okay, that's not really what Real America is to me. Real America is a lot of different real Americas. One real America is inner city kids dealing drugs. Another real America is speaking only Spanish. Another real America is working at a factory. Another real America is actually having gay sex. Another real America is studying in schools. Another real America is practicing basketball. Another real America is closing up a deal with a client. Another real America is homeless. Another real America is rich.

What ties America together? That makes us one, out of the many? I'm not sure. I always think America is hard working. Innovative. More reliant on simple common sense then imaginative, creative intellectual theories. We're a little more pratical. A little more Roman in that sense.

Okay, now I'm ready for your response.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:32 PM
You don't want to make a fortune? Afraid that Obama will share it with the rest of the country? Or maybe
looking forward to living off of the working conservatives in the U.S.

I'll stick with real words we can find reference to in Websters.

Nobody asked you to play along with my new word.

Donger
11-18-2009, 01:34 PM
Hey, you're wrong. :D

It was a mix. I remembered it being a mix, but had to look it up to get the names right. Only guy I could remember specifically was Jackson as lead prosecutor.

Each of the four powers appointed one judge and one alternate. The Soviets appointed a general, of course, and a guy who was a judge at Stalin's show trials of the mid/late 30s when he purged the military. The Brits had a military guy, with a civilian alternate. The US and French had civilians -- the US main judge was Francis Biddle, former US AG under Roosevelt.

3 of the 4 prosecutors were non-military.

Obviously, however, the military was INVOLVED throughout the process, and were in charge of security and detaining the Nazi leadership etc.

The entire affair was rather ad hoc and multinational, so it's not as if it followed any particular country's military trial system.

I do note, of course, that the criminals were not given US constitutional rights or a trial in the US or anything.

Sounds like a military tribunal to me.

dirk digler
11-18-2009, 01:35 PM
So, Holder just basically called our military cowards.

No he called whiners like you a coward ;)

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:37 PM
Okay, that's not really what Real America is to me. Real America is a lot of different real Americas. One real America is inner city kids dealing drugs. Another real America is speaking only Spanish. Another real America is working at a factory. Another real America is actually having gay sex. Another real America is studying in schools. Another real America is practicing basketball. Another real America is closing up a deal with a client. Another real America is homeless. Another real America is rich.

What ties America together? That makes us one, out of the many? I'm not sure. I always think America is hard working. Innovative. More reliant on simple common sense then imaginative, creative intellectual theories. We're a little more pratical. A little more Roman in that sense.

Okay, now I'm ready for your response.

No you're not. Your definition is basically individuals doing what they feel is good. "If it feels good, do it." Drugs, illegals not willing to assimilate to a new country. As for your gay sex comment, that is not real America, it's an abboration from nature.

Real America has more to do with a culture of assimilating to one country and one flag. I don't think you are ready to understand what millions of current American desendents came from and what their families had to go through to become Americans. You don't understand the aliens that are here legally and denied citizenship by red tape, the same red tape that will be there after Obama grants amnesty to those here illegally. Those same people that are working and paying taxes as well as paying tens of thousands of dollars trying to become a legal U.S. citizen, those that will continue to have to pay for the citizenship after the illegals are granted free citizenship with no qualifications or requirements.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:39 PM
Nobody asked you to play along with my new word.

Actually you are a plagerist. It is not your new word. Why would you blatently lie?

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:46 PM
No you're not. Your definition is basically individuals doing what they feel is good. "If it feels good, do it." Drugs, illegals not willing to assimilate to a new country. As for your gay sex comment, that is not real America, it's an abboration from nature.

I didn't say it was all good. I just said it's there, it's real. You didn't say "What's the Ideal Real America in your opinion?" That would be totally different.

Real America has more to do with a culture of assimilating to one country and one flag.

A culture of assimilating to one country and one flag. I assume you mean "The United States of America" and "the United States of American flag". So Real America to you is assimilating to the United States of America. Yes, but isn't the question - what is the United States of America? What's it soul?

I don't think you are ready to understand what millions of current American desendents came from and what their families had to go through to become Americans. You don't understand the aliens that are here legally and denied citizenship by red tape, the same red tape that will be there after Obama grants amnesty to those here illegally. Those same people that are working and paying taxes as well as paying tens of thousands of dollars trying to become a legal U.S. citizen, those that will continue to have to pay for the citizenship after the illegals are granted free citizenship with no qualifications or requirements.

I think my Spanish comment really pissed you off. Sorry, but it's true. There are some people, even legal immigrants, who only speak Spanish. My great grandparents came from Luxembourg, and they only spoke Luxembourgean or whatever the language would be, some off-shoot of German. They didn't speak English.

So, is the English language a big part of "Real America" for you?

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:46 PM
Actually you are a plagerist. It is not your new word. Why would you blatently lie?

Whose word is it?

Direckshun
11-18-2009, 01:48 PM
If that's true...why all the attacks on her from the left?

Because she's also silly.

Direckshun
11-18-2009, 01:48 PM
So, liberals want to see her get the nomination and then fail?

Depends on who you ask. Some undoubtedly do.

I'd rather see an actual conservative, rather than a Palinesque prop, earn the nomination.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:50 PM
I think my Spanish comment really pissed you off. Sorry, but it's true. There are some people, even legal immigrants, who only speak Spanish. My great grandparents came from Luxembourg, and they only spoke Luxembourgean or whatever the language would be, some off-shoot of German. They didn't speak English.

So, is the English language a big part of "Real America" for you?

No, your Spanish comment did not piss me off, illegal immigrants piss me off. How many legal Hispanics do you know that cannot speak English? I've worked around the country and have only seen a very few older Hispanics that could not speak English, the younger generations of those families can and do, but will speak the language they are most comfortable with when they can.

The last comment you made just goes to show how little your understand what Real Americal is all about as well as your inability to comprehend concepts.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:50 PM
Whose word is it?

Take your pick.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=agri-factory&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 01:51 PM
Depends on who you ask. Some undoubtedly do.

I'd rather see an actual conservative, rather than a Palinesque prop, earn the nomination.

What would you do if she won the nomination and then the election?

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:55 PM
No, your Spanish comment did not piss me off, illegal immigrants piss me off. How many legal Hispanics do you know that cannot speak English? I've worked around the country and have only seen a very few older Hispanics that could not speak English, the younger generations of those families can and do, but will speak the language they are most comfortable with when they can.

The last comment you made just goes to show how little your understand what Real Americal is all about as well as your inability to comprehend concepts.

Well just because illegal immigrants and gay sex pisses you off doesn't mean they aren't a real part of America. How many legal Hispanics do I know that can't speak English? None. But I'm sure there are some. Oh, you say so yourself - a very few older ones. There we go!

My last comment - I assume you mean my question to you. I don't understand how that shows how little I understand about what Real America is all about as well as my inability to comprehend subjects. It was just a question.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 01:58 PM
Take your pick.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=agri-factory&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Cool. I actually didn't think I was the first person to ever say agri-factory, although I'd never heard anyone use it before.

Calcountry
11-18-2009, 01:58 PM
So, liberals want to see her get the nomination and then fail?There is NO CHANCE this is true. None whatsover. If it were true, then the media would be in love with her, rather than disparaging her at every turn(straight talk express?). Remember the media and McSAME?

The media, has ABSOLUTELY no credibility AT ALL. NONE, ZIP, NADA! They are apart of the Obama machine, completely sold out on the proposition of turning our country over to a bunch of UN beurocrats while creating a socialist state.

This is why they hate SP: Non ivy league; non attorney; mother of 5; drop dead gorgeous; talks like ordinary folk; did I say she has half the ass that Hillary does?, oops.

It remains to be seen on whether or not, she can articulate a clear enough vision for the future of the country in a fashion sufficient enough to deflect the 24/7 non stop onslought of the Chicago/Axelrod/media machine.

Direckshun
11-18-2009, 01:59 PM
What would you do if she won the nomination and then the election?

Live with it, probably.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 02:00 PM
Well just because illegal immigrants and gay sex pisses you off doesn't mean they aren't a real part of America. How many legal Hispanics do I know that can't speak English? None. But I'm sure there are some. Oh, you say so yourself - a very few older ones. There we go!

My last comment - I assume you mean my question to you. I don't understand how that shows how little I understand about what Real America is all about as well as my inability to comprehend subjects. It was just a question.

You are reading more into what I wrote than what's there. Gay sex doesn't piss me off, it's a choice you make. I don't judge you for that but when you sin deliberately you will be held accountable for your actions. Read the bible where it is talking about Sodom and Gomorah. You see, I'm not gay and I don't care if there are gay's around. It's not for me to determine if they are right or wrong but the act in my belief is wrong. I don't know why you included it other than to try to gain some kind of leverage in an argument.

I honestly feel your concept of Real America is off base, but your generation most likely can't conceive of what it used to take to be an American nor the basic premise of immigrating to America legally and by the established system.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 02:02 PM
Live with it, probably.

That's probably the most honest answer I've ever seen on this board.

Calcountry
11-18-2009, 02:03 PM
What is "Real America"? I'm pretty sure I know what it is, but what is your definition?

Your uberliberal teachers have done their job, brainwashed another weak minded child into thinking their way instead of finding what truths there actually are out there."Real America", is one unencumbered by an all knowing, all powerful, all entitlement, all reaching federal government into each and every facet of our lives. Not the socialist ideals of zero population growth; carbon offsetts; governement option health care that your uberliberal, pot smoking hippie teachers from UC Berkeley have been brainwashing you with.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 02:08 PM
You are reading more into what I wrote than what's there. Gay sex doesn't piss me off, it's a choice you make.

Yeah, it's a choice you make, but isn't a choice people make that pisses you off? Because there are choices people make that piss you off, right? But you're saying that gay sex isn't one of them?

I don't know why you included it other than to try to gain some kind of leverage in an argument.

Leverage? I don't see how it would get me leverage. I just included it to show how different some people are in America. Some kids are dealing drugs. Some kids are having gay sex.

I honestly feel your concept of Real America is off base, but your generation most likely can't conceive of what it used to take to be an American nor the basic premise of immigrating to America legally and by the established system.

I can't speak for my generation. I'm more interested in previous generations. I don't know what we think. My guess is that we're really similar to the previous 2-3 generations. If you think they were off base in their understanding of what it takes to be an American or coming her legally, then you probably think we are as well.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 02:08 PM
"Real America", is one unencumbered by an all knowing, all powerful, all entitlement, all reaching federal government into each and every facet of our lives. Not the socialist ideals of zero population growth; carbon offsetts; governement option health care that your uberliberal, pot smoking hippie teachers from UC Berkeley have been brainwashing you with.

I think you've got me confused with Jenson, but I would have expected his response to be somewhat along those lines.

Now the first part of your definition is the road map for the current administration.

Direckshun
11-18-2009, 02:11 PM
That's probably the most honest answer I've ever seen on this board.

Thanks man. Coming from you, that means much, much less than nothing.

Reaper16
11-18-2009, 02:13 PM
So in a literate society you are using gibberish? If it's not a word you better get it copyrighted so you can make your fortune.
You're such a Goddamned idiot, Tom. You've got to bring it better than that.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 02:15 PM
Yeah, it's a choice you make, but isn't a choice people make that pisses you off? Because there are choices people make that piss you off, right? But you're saying that gay sex isn't one of them?

You seem to have an anal compulstion with pissing someone off. This is a bulletin board, what is there to be pissed off about? Your concepts are really out on the edge of reality. Gay sex is something you seem to have on your mind, either find you a boy friend and try it or don't. It's your life. I just don't agree with that lifestyle.

Leverage? I don't see how it would get me leverage. I just included it to show how different some people are in America. Some kids are dealing drugs. Some kids are having gay sex.

Check out your response, everything is an argument about gay sex. Like I said, gay isn't an argument with me, it's something you feel has to be in your belief system for being a Real American. I don't agree.

I can't speak for my generation. I'm more interested in previous generations. I don't know what we think. My guess is that we're really similar to the previous 2-3 generations. If you think they were off base in their understanding of what it takes to be an American or coming her legally, then you probably think we are as well.

The only thing you got right directly above is that you don't know what you think. Who have you been using for a reference in the previous past 2 or 3 generations? Certanly not any of the people that I see around here. Are all of your references as liberal as you? Are they all illegal aliens that have been shaping your opinion? Maybe you should stick with being the gay defender of the board.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 02:15 PM
Thanks man. Coming from you, that means much, much less than nothing.

Then it was worth everything you paid for it, now wasn't it?

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 02:17 PM
You're such a *************. You've got to bring it better than that.

So you are OK with Jenson lying about making up a word? He plagerized it and claimed it for his own. As far as idiots go, I'd say you have won the prize.

Reaper16
11-18-2009, 02:20 PM
So you are OK with Jenson lying about making up a word? He plagerized it and claimed it for his own. As far as idiots go, I'd say you have won the prize.
I don't think that is what plagiarism means.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 02:21 PM
I don't think that is what plagiarism means.

There you go again, trying to think with nothing happening.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 02:22 PM
You seem to have an anal compulstion with pissing someone off. This is a bulletin board, what is there to be pissed off about? Your concepts are really out on the edge of reality. Gay sex is something you seem to have on your mind, either find you a boy friend and try it or don't. It's your life. I just don't agree with that lifestyle.

I kind of like pissing you off. Myself, I'm not really pissed off at all. Gay sex was something on my mind as much as the other things I said. Then you commented on it.

Check out your response, everything is an argument about gay sex. Like I said, gay isn't an argument with me, it's something you feel has to be in your belief system for being a Real American. I don't agree.

No, you misunderstood. I don't think having gay sex is necessary for being Real America.

The only thing you got right directly above is that you don't know what you think. Who have you been using for a reference in the previous past 2 or 3 generations? Certanly not any of the people that I see around here. Are all of your references as liberal as you? Are they all illegal aliens that have been shaping your opinion? Maybe you should stick with being the gay defender of the board.

Who have I been using for a reference in the previous past 2 or 3 generations? No one. I only guessed that my generation is very similar to them. Are all my references as liberal as you? That depends. Do you mean like for research papers? Are they all illegal aliens that have been shaping my opinion? To my knowledge, I have neither read anything from an illegal alien or spoken to one, much less referenced one. Maybe I should stick with being the gay defender of the board? I didn't know I was the gay defender of the board. I think that if I'm the gay defender of the board, the gay movement isn't going anywhere.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 02:24 PM
So you are OK with Jenson lying about making up a word? He plagerized it and claimed it for his own. As far as idiots go, I'd say you have won the prize.

Are you going to call my University? Plagiarism is a really big deal in college. If you send an email, it might help to spell it correctly though. It really drops the legitimacy when they see those kinds of mistakes.

Reaper16
11-18-2009, 02:25 PM
Maybe I should stick with being the gay defender of the board? I didn't know I was the gay defender of the board. I think that if I'm the gay defender of the board, the gay movement isn't going anywhere.
Yeah, I was pretty sure that I was the gay defender of the board. Well, two's company.

blaise
11-18-2009, 02:31 PM
Yeah, I was pretty sure that I was the gay defender of the board. Well, two's company.

So you got each other's back.

Direckshun
11-18-2009, 02:32 PM
I'm almost definitely sure that I am the gay defender of the board.

Reaper16
11-18-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm almost definitely sure that I am the gay defender of the board.
Three's a crowd. Two of us can be the gay-defenders of the board and one of us can be the gay defender-of-the-board. Its a subtle difference, one that involves a dick.

Reaper16
11-18-2009, 02:34 PM
So you got each other's back.
I'm not sure that I can reach around that far.

blaise
11-18-2009, 02:36 PM
I'm almost definitely sure that I am the gay defender of the board.

You're more of a gay, defender.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 02:38 PM
I'm not sure that I can reach around that far.

What're you sayin, huh?

Reaper16
11-18-2009, 02:38 PM
What're you sayin, huh?
That I'm a bottom.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 07:04 PM
I kind of like pissing you off. Myself, I'm not really pissed off at all. Gay sex was something on my mind as much as the other things I said.

Who have I been using for a reference in the previous past 2 or 3 generations? No one. I only guessed that my generation is very similar to them. Are all my references as liberal as you? That depends. Do you mean like for research papers? Are they all illegal aliens that have been shaping my opinion? To my knowledge, I have neither read anything from an illegal alien or spoken to one, much less referenced one. Maybe I should stick with being the gay defender of the board? I didn't know I was the gay defender of the board. I think that if I'm the gay defender of the board, the gay movement isn't going anywhere.

If you are trying to piss me off you are failing miserably. If gay sex is something on your mind I'd say you should be worried.

You are comparing your generation to the past 2 or three and are not actually finding out what they stand for from real people?

I think you might have more problems than living in a fantasy world about being a prominent pisser offer.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 07:06 PM
Are you going to call my University? Plagiarism is a really big deal in college. If you send an email, it might help to spell it correctly though. It really drops the legitimacy when they see those kinds of mistakes.


You seem to feel better by pointing out the fact that I don't spell as well as you? You really need to learn that being correct on a board is far less important than the point being discussed.

What university might that be? Mars?

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 07:08 PM
So you got each other's back.

From the sounds of it they have each other's backside.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 07:09 PM
If you are trying to piss me off you are failing miserably. If gay sex is something on your mind I'd say you should be worried.

Well, I'm not trying. If you're not pissed off, that's fine with me, too. Gay sex isn't on my mind very often. Sometimes when I study the Spartans there's a lot of gay sex there which you can't help but have on your mind. There was also a lot of gay sex in Macedonia among the kinds and aristocracy. Also the Sacred Band of Thebes had a lot of gay sex.

You are comparing your generation to the past 2 or three and are not actually finding out what they stand for from real people?

All I said was I guess my generation has a lot of similarities in thought compared to the previous two or three generations. I never said how they feel about anything, just that whatever they felt (x), we probably feel the same (x).

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 07:10 PM
You seem to feel better by pointing out the fact that I don't spell as well as you? You really need to learn that being correct on a board is far less important than the point being discussed.

What university might that be? Mars?

Yes. It's Mars.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 07:17 PM
All I said was I guess my generation has a lot of similarities in thought compared to the previous two or three generations. I never said how they feel about anything, just that whatever they felt (x), we probably feel the same (x).

I'm pretty sure your generation only has similarities in the manner that you walk on your feet and breathe air. Other than that there is a vast canyon full of differences.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 07:17 PM
Yes. It's Mars.

You and Otis.

Jenson71
11-18-2009, 07:19 PM
I'm pretty sure your generation only has similarities in the manner that you walk on your feet and breathe air. Other than that there is a vast canyon full of differences.

Like what?

RINGLEADER
11-18-2009, 08:19 PM
Yeah, I was pretty sure that I was the gay defender of the board. Well, two's company.

Count me in.

Norman Einstein
11-18-2009, 11:01 PM
Like what?

I'm not up to pointing out all the differences, but if you really feel you are patterened after those generations then more power to you.

|Zach|
11-19-2009, 12:43 AM
Not worried. I would absolutely love for Palin to get more and more support. Prop her up folks.

Der Flöprer
11-19-2009, 12:59 AM
What would you do if she won the nomination and then the election?

Bad mouth her, swear that everyone that voted for her was not a real American, and then back anyone who ran against her for the next election. Sound familiar?

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 01:01 AM
I'm not up to pointing out all the differences, but if you really feel you are patterened after those generations then more power to you.

You don't have to point out all the differences. Just a couple would be sufficient for you backing up what you said.

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 03:29 AM
Bad mouth her, swear that everyone that voted for her was not a real American, and then back anyone who ran against her for the next election. Sound familiar?

Yup, the GWB administration.

Taco John
11-19-2009, 03:47 AM
Regarding her comment on the terrorists and their upcoming trials:

Has anyone stated or defended the assumption by the POTUS that trying these men in NY City is the right thing to do?

What benefit does he have in doing so?



I'll tell you the benefit: they get a fair and open trial - which is one of the most powerful things in a free and open society when done correctly.

Of course, the concept of justice in this country has warped through the years, so I can understand why Republican types are so terriffied of the idea of free and open trials for terrorists.

But I think that in these cases justice would in large part prevail. I'm 100% in favor of giving these men due process and letting the Justice system sort things out. I don't believe that many at all would slip through the cracks that deserve to be locked up. Unless, of course, we were being indiscriminate, which I can't believe any correct thinking person could support. It's one thing to want justice. It's another thing to want to hurt people for the sake of it. I would hope that people wouldn't be in favor of the idea of indiscriminately incarcerating people.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:25 AM
Bad mouth her, swear that everyone that voted for her was not a real American, and then back anyone who ran against her for the next election. Sound familiar?

Sounds just like the day Bush was elected, and then re-elected. What goes around comes around.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:27 AM
I'll tell you the benefit: they get a fair and open trial - which is one of the most powerful things in a free and open society when done correctly.

Of course, the concept of justice in this country has warped through the years, so I can understand why Republican types are so terriffied of the idea of free and open trials for terrorists.

But I think that in these cases justice would in large part prevail. I'm 100% in favor of giving these men due process and letting the Justice system sort things out. I don't believe that many at all would slip through the cracks that deserve to be locked up. Unless, of course, we were being indiscriminate, which I can't believe any correct thinking person could support. It's one thing to want justice. It's another thing to want to hurt people for the sake of it. I would hope that people wouldn't be in favor of the idea of indiscriminately incarcerating people.

You are saying the panel of Military officers (all lawyers and judges) can't be fair and open? You seem to sell the professionalism and integrity of our military senior officers very short.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:30 AM
You don't have to point out all the differences. Just a couple would be sufficient for you backing up what you said.

We aren't debating, but you haven't provided anything but a comment of your belief that you are the same as other generations.

One of the big differences would be that 3 generations ago the people were not as open to ridicule the government. There were a few, but right now your generation seems to be on a full out attack.

I really think you need to get off the persecution pedistal you seem to be sitting on. Anytime someone doesn't give you what you want you seem to get on the prove it rag. That's another difference. People of past generations would just knock you off your pedistal and move on.

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 09:39 AM
I'll tell you the benefit: they get a fair and open trial - which is one of the most powerful things in a free and open society when done correctly.

Of course, the concept of justice in this country has warped through the years, so I can understand why Republican types are so terriffied of the idea of free and open trials for terrorists.

But I think that in these cases justice would in large part prevail. I'm 100% in favor of giving these men due process and letting the Justice system sort things out. I don't believe that many at all would slip through the cracks that deserve to be locked up. Unless, of course, we were being indiscriminate, which I can't believe any correct thinking person could support. It's one thing to want justice. It's another thing to want to hurt people for the sake of it. I would hope that people wouldn't be in favor of the idea of indiscriminately incarcerating people.


Only in NY do they have fair and open trials?

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 09:45 AM
We aren't debating, but you haven't provided anything but a comment of your belief that you are the same as other generations.

One of the big differences would be that 3 generations ago the people were not as open to ridicule the government. There were a few, but right now your generation seems to be on a full out attack.

My generation ridicules the government? I thought my generation was being chastised by the right for voting for Obama in mass droves. I thought we were all Obama sheep. If anything, this separates us from our parents generation and the young adults of the 1960s.

L.A. Chieffan
11-19-2009, 10:17 AM
Are you not familiar with addressing those that have been in office? Why do they still call Bob Dole Senator? Why do they still call Bill Clinton Mr. President? Why do they still call Hillary bitch?

I'm was not familiar with the proper etiquette when it comes to the Governor's office, that is why I asked in the first place. Thank you for clarifying in such a dickish manner.

Now GFY.

Taco John
11-19-2009, 10:24 AM
Only in NY do they have fair and open trials?

I don't believe that I made that particular argument.

blaise
11-19-2009, 10:30 AM
I just hope they handpick the judge who will preside over this. I can't imagine the guy is acquitted, but if he is somehow, or the charges were dismissed due to some constitutional issue, it's going to be a poltical nightmare for Obama.
I wonder if Obama would be so willing to let this happen if this was in the ninth circuit.

Radar Chief
11-19-2009, 11:00 AM
Didn’t KSM already admit his guilt, proudly so?
Seems like it’d be a really short trial.
How do you plead? Guilty. *gavel pound* Move on to sentencing. :shrug:

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 12:19 PM
I'm was not familiar with the proper etiquette when it comes to the Governor's office, that is why I asked in the first place. Thank you for clarifying in such a dickish manner.

Now GFY.

I don't need your advice, I do fine.

Dickish manner? I suppose you feel it's wrong to give examples.

I'd think now is the time to take your own advice.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 12:22 PM
My generation ridicules the government? I thought my generation was being chastised by the right for voting for Obama in mass droves. I thought we were all Obama sheep. If anything, this separates us from our parents generation and the young adults of the 1960s.

In the 60's the generation protested things the government did. They put their ass on the line for their beliefs. Your generation whines on the internet and does ridicule the government, depending upon your particular brand of politics. You love Obama and disliked Bush, or vice versa, I honestly don't remember or care, but you take your stand and post accordingly. I"m just curious if you vasilated between the two depending on the current argument.

BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 12:23 PM
She's a loon. Do you really want somebody who doesn't accept responsibility for their own wrong-doing running this country, again? She's a hate-monger.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 12:26 PM
She's a loon. Do you really want somebody who doesn't accept responsibility for their own wrong-doing running this country, again? She's a hate-monger.

How does that make her any different than Obama? I think you are too far to the left to make a legitimate judgement of her actions. You probably get all of your information about her from Tina Fey's performances.

BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 12:37 PM
How does that make her any different than Obama? I think you are too far to the left to make a legitimate judgement of her actions. You probably get all of your information about her from Tina Fey's performances.

Sure thing. LABEL somebody a a lefty, when they don't fall into the political ideaology of supporting a person dumber than a box of rocks.

Your stance is so flawed it defies logic.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 12:46 PM
Sure thing. LABEL somebody a a lefty, when they don't fall into the political ideaology of supporting a person dumber than a box of rocks.

Your stance is so flawed it defies logic.

Your proof of her intelligence is based on comments during interviews. Have you ever listened to Obama without his handlers or his teleprompter? He sounds like he is totally illiterate.

I'm sure you can't compare apples to apples, but you might try from time to time.

BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 12:53 PM
Your proof of her intelligence is based on comments during interviews. Have you ever listened to Obama without his handlers or his teleprompter? He sounds like he is totally illiterate.

I'm sure you can't compare apples to apples, but you might try from time to time.
It's well-documented, that I have been disappointed in Obama's leadership, thus far, but don't let that keep you from labeling all who disagree with you and your quest to elect a box of rocks.

Yes, when somebody has no clue and contradicts themselves on a daily basis, it's hard for me to take that person seriously, because they are full of shit, ie, Palin.


I take it, you've spent one-on-one time with her? Sure thing, Ringo.

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 12:54 PM
In the 60's the generation protested things the government did. They put their ass on the line for their beliefs.

Most of them just smoked weed and listened to music, though.

Your generation whines on the internet and does ridicule the government, depending upon your particular brand of politics.

That sounds like the other generations, those people that have found the internet.

You love Obama and disliked Bush, or vice versa, I honestly don't remember or care, but you take your stand and post accordingly. I"m just curious if you vasilated between the two depending on the current argument.

Is there any evidence of me doing so?

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 12:57 PM
I don't believe that I made that particular argument.

Then why NY? That was my original question. This seems to be nothing but a "look what I can do!" by this admin..

If he doesn't get a death penalty conviction as his AG has promised or if anything goes awry, he looks more a fool than ever before.
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Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 12:59 PM
I take it, you've spent one-on-one time with her? Sure thing, Ringo.

Nope, but I dont' judge her in the same light that you do. You might think you are hard on Obama but it's kid gloves compared to the full blown hatred you have for Palin.

For what it's worth Obama was elected on his looks, if the Newsweek cover gets her elected it would be worth it just to see you react.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 01:01 PM
Most of them just smoked weed and listened to music, though.

That sounds like the other generations, those people that have found the internet.

Is there any evidence of me doing so?

So you somke dope and listen to music?

I think you might be pushing too far. 2 generations back there wasn't an internet.

Any evidence of you being a jerk? Well yes, read any of your posts on any of the threads. You vasilate on virtually every one of them from beginning to end.

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Yes, when somebody has no clue and contradicts themselves on a daily basis, it's hard for me to take that person seriously, because they are full of shit, ie, Palin.



Yet you still show continual support for:

"Millions of shovel ready jobs"
"Swift decisive action in Afghanistan"
"No tax increases for anyone earning less than 250,000"

Seems to me your boy in charge of the show has earned much more of your disdain than a former governor. Per your own terms listed above the POTUS is more full of shit than any other person on the planet for either his ineptness or his lies to hundreds of millions of people who trust him.
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BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 01:25 PM
Yet you still show continual support for:

"Millions of shovel ready jobs"
"Swift decisive action in Afghanistan"
"No tax increases for anyone earning less than 250,000"

Seems to me your boy in charge of the show has earned much more of your disdain than a former governor. Per your own terms listed above the POTUS is more full of shit than any other person on the planet for either his ineptness or his lies to hundreds of millions of people who trust him.
Posted via Mobile DeviceTHIS thread is about Palin.

...but since you brought Obama into the equation. I'll answer.
I've NEVER supported the bail-out bill. Putting more money in the hands of big banks is a recipe for disaster and only helps the elites. I was for improved infrastructure, but knew that would mainly help CITY and STATE EMPLOYEES, which benefits few.

I am for pulling out of Afghanistan. It's a CIA operation in the first place, to control drugs and to put us in a strategic region. It's a no-win war, unless you are in the Drug Cartel, then the war is easily justified from their vantage point.

I do agree, no new taxes on the working class, is a good thing, especially in this climate.

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 03:17 PM
THIS thread is about Palin.

...but since you brought Obama into the equation. I'll answer.
I've NEVER supported the bail-out bill. Putting more money in the hands of big banks is a recipe for disaster and only helps the elites. I was for improved infrastructure, but knew that would mainly help CITY and STATE EMPLOYEES, which benefits few.

I am for pulling out of Afghanistan. It's a CIA operation in the first place, to control drugs and to put us in a strategic region. It's a no-win war, unless you are in the Drug Cartel, then the war is easily justified from their vantage point.

I do agree, no new taxes on the working class, is a good thing, especially in this climate.

My point was you hold Sarah Palin in disdain for some quotes ascribed to her not even made by her, but you evidently hold the POTUS to a lesser set of standards.
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BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 03:31 PM
My point was you hold Sarah Palin in disdain for some quotes ascribed to her not even made by her, but you evidently hold the POTUS to a lesser set of standards.
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I've said time and time again, I'm not pleased with Obama thus far. I think many have confused, being against Bush and his cronies' policies, doesn't equate to Obama endorser. Quite the contrary, in my book. In fact, I called out Bush for the same policies, so just because a person wears a different suit, doesn't make the policies anymore tolerable.

The difference is, I've tried to be fair in my approach and call out BOTH PARTIES in the process, where so many still refuse to accept Bush's resposibility in this chaos at home and amuck. I also see many reverting back to endorse whatever is the opposite of Obama's position, no matter, how detrimental it would be to our country. I see Palin as being Barbie running our country, all shine and little substance and that is why I feel the need to stand up vocally against her. I expect more out of a leader than to do photoshoots, cash the check, and then cry foul. Obama is already in office, I can't do anything about that, but I can try and shed some light on how I view Palin and hopefully wake some up in the process.

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 03:33 PM
She speaks for Real America almost as well as Glenn Beck does. If Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin had a child, it would be the embodiment of American glory. It would bake apple pies and wrestle cattle, kill the Nazis and the communists, and produce great movies and jazz records and pitch a perfect game. All on the same day.

Sometimes I forget what America is. But then I see Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and that rush of nostalgia hits me. I see the corn fields, the John Deere tractor in the shed, the 1964 combine bought at an auction for $3000 by Pa last summer. Ma in her apron, cooking sausage and eggs for Will and me when we get done milking the cows.


ROFL

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 03:34 PM
Palin would be better than Obama, With that said, we are screwed either way.

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 03:47 PM
I've said time and time again, I'm not pleased with Obama thus far. I think many have confused, being against Bush and his cronies' policies, doesn't equate to Obama endorser. Quite the contrary, in my book. In fact, I called out Bush for the same policies, so just because a person wears a different suit, doesn't make the policies anymore tolerable.

The difference is, I've tried to be fair in my approach and call out BOTH PARTIES in the process, where so many still refuse to accept Bush's resposibility in this chaos at home and amuck. I also see many reverting back to endorse whatever is the opposite of Obama's position, no matter, how detrimental it would be to our country. I see Palin as being Barbie running our country, all shine and little substance and that is why I feel the need to stand up vocally against her. I expect more out of a leader than to do photoshoots, cash the check, and then cry foul. Obama is already in office, I can't do anything about that, but I can try and shed some light on how I view Palin and hopefully wake some up in the process.


With her core beliefs and values, I see her standing strong against what is right and what is wrong ( left ) .:D

Seriously, any POTUS has to have a good staff around him/her. The POTUS can only do so much, much is limited by the house and senate. With what Bush has done his last 4 years and what Obama has done in 1 year, I just don't see her screwing up anymore than what they have done.

With all this said, this discussion is moot, McCain would be the POTUS and not Palin.

As for 2012, would she make a viable candidate ? Possible, depends on how bad Obo continues to screw up and what GOP choices we have.

BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 03:47 PM
Palin would be better than Obama, With that said, we are screwed either way.
I'm hopeful, the Republicans wake up and run somebody who is a real son or daughter of liberty, intead of Palin. I'd like to be able to consider casting my vote against Obama, but Palin, isn't going to do it.

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 03:50 PM
She's a loon. Do you really want somebody who doesn't accept responsibility for their own wrong-doing running this country, again? She's a hate-monger.


Link ? Or just a left wing comment ?

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm hopeful, the Republicans wake up and run somebody who is a real son or daughter of liberty, intead of Palin. I'd like to be able to consider casting my vote against Obama, but Palin, isn't going to do it.


IMHO, right now, nobody is really stepping forward. Personally, I like Huckabee, but Romney is a more logical choice with the faltering economy. Again, the POTUS has to have great supporting cast around them either way. It's just as much that they be very good at what they do as the POTUS is.

BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 04:14 PM
Link ? Or just a left wing comment ?
She suggested Obama was a domestic terrorist and never backed off that, when the truth is he has never been convicted of anything even remotely close to those accusations.

Saying that against a person running for the POTUS is a bit far-fetched, when there is ZERO PROOF, eh?... and tends to lose her credibility, because it's propaganda. Nothing like supporting divide and conquer. It's us against them mentality. She's not a uniter. Watch her speeches, it's clear as a bell.

She purposefully, set out to deceive the masses with fabricated tripe. That's not somebody, who is honest and pure and certainly not somebody who will stand for liberty and freedom.

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I've said time and time again, I'm not pleased with Obama thus far. I think many have confused, being against Bush and his cronies' policies, doesn't equate to Obama endorser. Quite the contrary, in my book. In fact, I called out Bush for the same policies, so just because a person wears a different suit, doesn't make the policies anymore tolerable.

The difference is, I've tried to be fair in my approach and call out BOTH PARTIES in the process, where so many still refuse to accept Bush's resposibility in this chaos at home and amuck. I also see many reverting back to endorse whatever is the opposite of Obama's position, no matter, how detrimental it would be to our country. I see Palin as being Barbie running our country, all shine and little substance and that is why I feel the need to stand up vocally against her. I expect more out of a leader than to do photoshoots, cash the check, and then cry foul. Obama is already in office, I can't do anything about that, but I can try and shed some light on how I view Palin and hopefully wake some up in the process.

I don't want Sarah in office either - my vote would go to Tenn Sen and MD, Bill Frist. Unfortunately, he will never run. However, your logic is still flawed. The POTUS has a much better chance at re election than Mrs Palin ever has at even getting nominated. Using your logic above, you should be more vocal than anyone against the current POTUS to "shed the light" accurately.
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BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 04:28 PM
I don't want Sarah in office either - my vote would go to Tenn Sen and MD, Bill Frist. Unfortunately, he will never run. However, your logic is still flawed. The POTUS has a much better chance at re election than Mrs Palin ever has at even getting nominated. Using your logic above, you should be more vocal than anyone against the current POTUS to "shed the light" accurately.
Posted via Mobile DeviceNobody from the opposition has stood up that commands my respect, that is getting taken seriously. Until then, they'll need to actually attempt to select somebody that actually wants to put this country first and do away with the lining of banksters pockets.

Ron Paul seems the only logical choice, but not enough Republicans seem to actually stand for liberty enough to endorse him. They like the stalemate, it allows them to push their agendas through, instead of serious issues being taken head on. Same could be said for the Dems, but Obama is obviously their guy for the next election.

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 05:18 PM
She suggested Obama was a domestic terrorist and never backed off that, when the truth is he has never been convicted of anything even remotely close to those accusations.

Saying that against a person running for the POTUS is a bit far-fetched, when there is ZERO PROOF, eh?... and tends to lose her credibility, because it's propaganda. Nothing like supporting divide and conquer. It's us against them mentality. She's not a uniter. Watch her speeches, it's clear as a bell.

She purposefully, set out to deceive the masses with fabricated tripe. That's not somebody, who is honest and pure and certainly not somebody who will stand for liberty and freedom.

Link ? IIRC she said he hangs around domestic terrorist, aka Bill Ayers. Big difference.

Please provide a link. You are welcome to correct me with a link, I'm thinking you got your quotes crossed up.

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 05:20 PM
People do hound her as being an attractive bimbo, I give her more credit than most people do. Her simple logic is much better than radical change as we are getting now.

BigChiefFan
11-19-2009, 05:46 PM
Link ? IIRC she said he hangs around domestic terrorist, aka Bill Ayers. Big difference.

Please provide a link. You are welcome to correct me with a link, I'm thinking you got your quotes crossed up.

Ever hear of guilt by association? SHE is the one that draws the correlation, SUGGESTING more to the story than there is. In other words, she lies.

Here's the link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3oP74kMjA&feature=related

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:03 PM
Ever hear of guilt by association? SHE is the one that draws the correlation, SUGGESTING more to the story than there is. In other words, she lies.

Here's the link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3oP74kMjA&feature=relatedIs/was, Ayers accused of being a domestic terrorist? I don't think she was the first to point that out.

Obama lied and said that Ayers was just a neighbor and nothing more. If you buy that I'm really going to be disappointed. Ayers record is pretty clear, all you have to do is a little search to find the data. Some may be biased, some maybe not but the story is out there.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=william+ayers+and+obama&aq=2s&oq=William+Ayre&aqi=g-s1g1g-s1g1g-s2g2g-s2

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-ayers.htm

I think you need to tell us where you felt she lied in the video you posted. I didn't see a single instance of a lie that was fabricated by her. Let's go further, how many lies about her are outhere that were said by Tina Fey? More than what you attribute to her lying I'm sure.

ROYC75
11-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Ever hear of guilt by association? SHE is the one that draws the correlation, SUGGESTING more to the story than there is. In other words, she lies.

Here's the link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3oP74kMjA&feature=related

Yep, stretching the truth a bit. She said according to the NYTimes, he associates with them. It's sad that the truth hurts you, still !

But call it the way you need to feel it.

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 06:06 PM
So you somke dope and listen to music?

No to the first, but yes to the second.

I think you might be pushing too far. 2 generations back there wasn't an internet.

Hey - you're on the internet. 2 generations back didn't all die when they reached 25.

You vasilate on virtually every one of them from beginning to end

Link it up.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:18 PM
No to the first, but yes to the second.



Hey - you're on the internet. 2 generations back didn't all die when they reached 25.



Link it up.


Link it up.?
Try looking at your first comment here. You said you have patterned your life after the past two generations, yet you deny smoking dope like the first generation back did.

Hey, I'm not 2 generations back. My mom and dad were and they have never owned a comptuer. I'm one generation back and never smoked pot.

Taco John
11-19-2009, 06:30 PM
Then why NY? That was my original question. This seems to be nothing but a "look what I can do!" by this admin..

If he doesn't get a death penalty conviction as his AG has promised or if anything goes awry, he looks more a fool than ever before.
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I don't care whether it's in New York or Idaho. The only thing that I care about is that it's open and just. I think that a closed trial in a military court will be seen by many including both Americans and non-Americans as "rigged," thus elevating the clamour of the need for a world court. That's the last place I'd want to see these folks tried.

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 06:35 PM
Link it up.?
Try looking at your first comment here. You said you have patterned your life after the past two generations, yet you deny smoking dope like the first generation back did.

I never said I personally patterned my life after the past two generations. I said my generation, Y I guess, probably has similar principles, values, ideas as the previous 2-3 generaitons.

Hey, I'm not 2 generations back. My mom and dad were and they have never owned a comptuer. I'm one generation back and never smoked pot.

Hey, are you a baby boomer?

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:35 PM
I don't care whether it's in New York or Idaho. The only thing that I care about is that it's open and just. I think that a closed trial in a military court will be seen by many including both Americans and non-Americans as "rigged," thus elevating the clamour of the need for a world court. That's the last place I'd want to see these folks tried.

The military tribunals will not necessarily be closed. I would rather have those that have a feel for military law and the laws of war to be trying those that would destroy our country if given the chance.

Your last comment most likely is made out of passion for your point, but is more untrue than anything I've seen on this board, or your board.

My opinion might be colored as I know a few military lawyers and I feel they have more integrity than virtually every civilian lawyer I've ever met.

Do some indepth research before you call someone inept (my word) in doing their job.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:35 PM
Hey, are you a baby boomer?

No.

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 06:46 PM
No.

Older?

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 06:50 PM
Older?

My age is actually no concern of yours.

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 06:52 PM
My age is actually no concern of yours.

I didn't ask for your age.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 07:04 PM
I didn't ask for your age.

OK, my generation is no business of yours.

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 07:17 PM
I don't care whether it's in New York or Idaho. The only thing that I care about is that it's open and just. I think that a closed trial in a military court will be seen by many including both Americans and non-Americans as "rigged," thus elevating the clamour of the need for a world court. That's the last place I'd want to see these folks tried.
You believe it doesn't look rigged now with the AG guaranteeing a death penalty conviction?
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KCTitus
11-19-2009, 07:39 PM
You believe it doesn't look rigged now with the AG guaranteeing a death penalty conviction?
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Or BHO affirming that he will be found guilty and sentenced to death?

Hey...arent libbies anti DP? What gives?

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 07:41 PM
OK, my generation is no business of yours.

I didn't ask what your generation was either.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Hey, are you a baby boomer?
No.
Older?
My age is actually no concern of yours.
I didn't ask for your age.
OK, my generation is no business of yours.
I didn't ask what your generation was either.


You got the answer to the first question, one of a generational nature.

Then you asked if I was older. Answered again, and it was age related.

You say you didn't ask my age, but you inferred age in your response and basically threw it back to generation.

So, just what are you asking?

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 08:00 PM
I guess I did ask what your generation was.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 08:01 PM
I guess I did ask what your generation was.Same answer as before.

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 08:02 PM
Same answer as before.

You won't tell me what your generation is?

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 08:19 PM
You won't tell me what your generation is?

Which part of the answers you got before confuses you? That has been asked and answered.

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 08:21 PM
Which part of the answers you got before confuses you? That has been asked and answered.

But you've already told me what generation you consider yourself to be.

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 08:24 PM
But you've already told me what generation you consider yourself to be.

So why are you chasing the same question around the flag pole? Demented?

Jenson71
11-19-2009, 08:27 PM
So why are you chasing the same question around the flag pole? Demented?

Well now I'm just curious why you would tell me something and then minutes later declare that it's none of my business?

Norman Einstein
11-19-2009, 08:54 PM
Well now I'm just curious why you would tell me something and then minutes later declare that it's none of my business?

Sure you were.

Fall back positions are not your strong suit.

Just one more question. You didn't find any inconsistancy in the answers you've read?

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 09:28 PM
Or BHO affirming that he will be found guilty and sentenced to death?

Hey...arent libbies anti DP? What gives?

With that sentenced imposed even prior to the first day in court you cannot assume it will be a fair trial - not that I want one. But at least call a spade a spade.
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KCTitus
11-19-2009, 09:30 PM
With that sentenced imposed even prior to the first day in court you cannot assume it will be a fair trial - not that I want one. But at least call a spade a spade.
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You mean like stating that this 'trial' is going to be used by the BHO admin to put the Bush Admin on trial, expose the CIA's information gathering techniques and generally make a mockery of the United States...yeah, that's the spade.

Taco John
11-19-2009, 09:53 PM
You believe it doesn't look rigged now with the AG guaranteeing a death penalty conviction?
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Oh, I believe the mismanagement of this whole thing from the start has made the whole thing look bad.

KCWolfman
11-19-2009, 09:58 PM
You mean like stating that this 'trial' is going to be used by the BHO admin to put the Bush Admin on trial, expose the CIA's information gathering techniques and generally make a mockery of the United States...yeah, that's the spade.

I get the impression the POTUS wasn't well liked as a child and compensates by trying to make everyone love him now, including other nations over his own.
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KCTitus
11-19-2009, 10:06 PM
I get the impression the POTUS wasn't well liked as a child and compensates by trying to make everyone love him now, including other nations over his own.
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Im not a psychologist, and wouldnt bother to hazard a guess...based on his words and deeds, I just dont think he likes America as constituted and is doing what he can to change that, like he said he would.