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Rain Man
11-18-2009, 05:41 PM
I'm thinking he could probably start over Ryan at TE or Wade at WR. Not sure if he could unseat Tamba at rushbacker, though. Maybe we should bring him in.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4667259

BEREA, Ohio -- If LeBron James truly believes he can help the Cleveland Browns, coach Eric Mangini has an orange helmet waiting for him.

"I think he should come on down," Mangini said."I think he should come on down," Mangini said, smiling. "I know he's pretty busy right now, but if he wants to give it a shot, the guy is gifted. He's competitive and tough. I'm sure whatever he applied himself to, he'd probably be good in baseball or soccer or swimming."

The NBA superstar, who was an all-state wide receiver in high school, said Tuesday night that if he put the time and commitment into it, he could be a good football player.

"If I put all my time and commitment into it, if I dedicated myself to the game of football, I could be really good," he said Tuesday night, "no matter what team I was on."

Mangini agreed, calling James "a freak athletically," and said the 6-foot-8, 250-pounder could be dangerous at tight end, wide receiver or even outside linebacker.

Quarterback Brady Quinn also heard about James' football interest. He would love to have a target like James to throw to in the red zone.

"That'd be great," Quinn said. "Tell him to suit up and let us know, we'll get him working. Obviously he's an incredibly talented athlete. If he wants to try to play a little bit now, we'd be more than willing to pick him up."

Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers isn't convinced James, as great as he is, could step into the NFL and be able to handle the pounding.

"I heard that comment," Rogers said. "I have mixed emotions about that. A great athlete? Yes. A football player? No."

Rogers then looked into TV cameras.

"Yeah LeBron, I said it," he said. "It's a punishing game. I just don't think you can step off the basketball court after not going through this year in and year out and just play football. From that standpoint, I just don't think it's possible. You have to weather and condition your body to take this punishment."

So what if James had a year to train? Could he do it then?

"Yeah, he might make a heckuva tight end," Rogers said. "I'd like to see him out there running down the seam."

James was an All-Ohio wide receiver at St. Vincent-St. Mary High School before quitting football after his junior year to focus on basketball. But he still follows the game closely and believes he could have been a hybrid tight end/receiver in the mold of San Diego's Antonio Gates or Atlanta's Tony Gonzalez.

Gates, who played basketball in college and not football, is listed at 6-4 and 260 pounds.

"They're not always lined up next to the tackle," James said. "Sometimes they go against strong safeties and linebackers. It's tough to match up with those guys because they're so athletic."

James filmed a commercial last year for an insurance company that depicted him in a No. 23 Browns jersey with "LeBron" stitched across the back.

He has no serious plans of returning to football, but said playing the two sports takes entirely different types of stamina.

"I'd be in football shape during football season, then I'd go to basketball and feel like I was out of shape," he said. "It's totally different. And another thing you have to get used to is getting hit again."

T-post Tom
11-18-2009, 05:44 PM
http://www.realclearsports.com/Jordan%20baseball.jpg

CoMoChief
11-18-2009, 05:47 PM
He'd be a good TE if he put ALL of his time into it. Of course he has to catch the ball. But He would out jump anyone, he's fast big body can screen off defenders like TG. Just throw the ball up to him.

JohninGpt
11-18-2009, 05:50 PM
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Pestilence
11-18-2009, 05:54 PM
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88TG88
11-18-2009, 05:58 PM
What kind of GM would let his star basketball player play pro football. I can't believe there are teams more desperate than the Chiefs.

Gadzooks
11-18-2009, 06:02 PM
I believe the greatest pure atheletes in the world reside in the NBA.
I don't belive that an NBA player could join a team in any of the other major 3,(MLB, NFL or NHL), and dominate.

JohninGpt
11-18-2009, 06:03 PM
What kind of GM would let his star basketball player play pro football. I can't believe there are teams more desperate than the Chiefs.

Remember how pissed many people were here when TG flirted with basketball?

Bane
11-18-2009, 06:04 PM
He's an amazing athlete I'll give him that,but pro football?
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LOCOChief
11-18-2009, 06:09 PM
http://www.realclearsports.com/Jordan%20baseball.jpg

very, very different.

Easy 6
11-18-2009, 06:09 PM
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T-post Tom
11-18-2009, 06:20 PM
very, very different.


yeah, Lebron will never play in the NFL

Demonpenz
11-18-2009, 06:28 PM
lebron would be a beast at DE

Marcellus
11-18-2009, 06:49 PM
I believe the greatest pure atheletes in the world reside in the NBA.
I don't belive that an NBA player could join a team in any of the other major 3,(MLB, NFL or NHL), and dominate.

I think one of the greatest NBA player/athletes ever has already proved you wrong on the baseball front.

Basketball players while great athletes are not built for baseball.

JohninGpt
11-18-2009, 06:52 PM
I think one of the greatest NBA player/athletes ever has already proved you wrong on the baseball front.

Basketball players while great athletes are not built for baseball.

I think you guys just agreed.

So does this mean that basketball is more of a pure sport and football and baseball a "disciplines".

Gadzooks
11-18-2009, 08:42 PM
I think you guys just agreed.

So does this mean that basketball is more of a pure sport and football and baseball a "disciplines".

I agree with you on the fact that Marcellus and I agreed.

I'd say Football is way more of a team sport and Baseball is more about the hand/ eye deal (short fat boys can still bat and pitch). When it comes to pure physical ability Basketball has the best athletes.
The cool thing about the NFL is that a guys like Shaun Rogers (Cle, NT) and Darren Sproles (SD, RB) can both utilize their unique physical abilities within the same game. Both would be useless in the NBA.
Either way, the NFL displays a wider variety of talents than any other major sport.

chiefsfan4life1978
11-18-2009, 10:28 PM
lebron would dominate if he put his main focus on football. either at te or de. no doubt whatsoever.
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Royal Fanatic
11-18-2009, 10:38 PM
Lebron has a chance to be an all-time great in the NBA.

Taking up NFL football as a hobby would be do wonders for his basketball career, in much the same way it helped Bo Jackson's baseball career.

In other words, he'd be a ****ing idiot to do it.

Royal Fanatic
11-18-2009, 10:40 PM
lebron would dominate if he put his main focus on football. either at te or de. no doubt whatsoever.
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Yeah, Michael Jordan proved that. No doubt whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Spike
11-19-2009, 09:58 AM
Lebron better stay far away from Brady Quinn, he'll trip and fall and take out his knee just talking to him.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:26 AM
It's not JUST LeBron...

If the NBA shut down for 10 years...

The NFL would be infiltrated with every 6'6" shooting guard with a 40" vertical...

They'd be unstoppable.

Who in the NFL could cover LeBron James?

Rain Man
11-19-2009, 10:32 AM
It's not JUST LeBron...

If the NBA shut down for 10 years...

The NFL would be infiltrated with every 6'6" shooting guard with a 40" vertical...

They'd be unstoppable.

Who in the NFL could cover LeBron James?


The question would be whether they would get back up for the second play. NBA players might be like that midget guy for the White Sox - good for one at-bat and then you never see them again.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:39 AM
Do you think Brandon Flowers could...hurt...LeBron?

I certainly don't.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:41 AM
the reason LeBron, and all the superior American athletes, play basketball is...

they make WAY more money playing in the NBA...or even in Europe (unless you play QB)...

and when they're 50, they aren't retarded from getting hit so many GD times.

LeBron is going to make a billion dollars playing basketball...all things considered...

Larry Fitzgerald will make less than $100M...and he's the best of the best when it comes to receivers.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:43 AM
and if there was some incentive for LeBron to play a year of football...I have no doubts he could be the best receiver...EVER.

Look at guys like Randy Moss and T.O.

What did they want to be? NBA players...

But they weren't good enough.

Pestilence
11-19-2009, 10:43 AM
It's not JUST LeBron...

If the NBA shut down for 10 years...

The NFL would be infiltrated with every 6'6" shooting guard with a 40" vertical...

They'd be unstoppable.

Who in the NFL could cover LeBron James?

Do you think that Lebron James could take the constant punishment that a career in the NFL would dish out? Do you honestly feel that James could take the hits that he would take....going over the middle?

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Do you think that Lebron James could take the constant punishment that a career in the NFL would dish out? Do you honestly feel that James could take the hits that he would take....going over the middle?

ROFL Yeah...I sure do...if he had to, or if he had a reason to...

He's 6'8 and 260 lbs...

He has NEVER been injured in the NBA...and he drives the lane more than anyone...

Shit...against the people who would be "hitting" him...I'll borrow a Larry Johnson quote...

"He won't be taking hits, he'll be GIVING hits."

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:48 AM
Lets think about this...

6"8
260 lbs.
4.5 speed (at least)
50" vertical

...

who's going to cover this guy?

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:51 AM
and it doesn't stop at LeBron...

There are probably 50 players in the NBA who would have all-pro talent in terms of being an NFL wide receiver...

But the money isn't right for them to ever make that switch.

Basically...if a guy can run a 4.5 and jump 50"...I guarantee he can be an NFL receiver. If you are athletically gifted enough to do that, and make a 3 pointer...then you can catch a football. Pretty easily.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:51 AM
DeSean Jackson is an NFL receiver.

Do we really think Monta Ellis couldn't be the same receiver as DeSean Jackson?

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:52 AM
Shit, I'm fairly certain DeSean Jackson and Monta Ellis are the same person.

BWillie
11-19-2009, 10:54 AM
I believe the greatest pure atheletes in the world reside in the NBA.
I don't belive that an NBA player could join a team in any of the other major 3,(MLB, NFL or NHL), and dominate.

Nope. NFL has the best athletes. Sure some of them like kicker and some QB's aren't very athletic. But in the NBA, being tall matters a little more than being athletic most of the time. If you are 6-2 and a freak of an athlete - it's still hard to make it in the NBA.

Have you ever looked at NBA combine #'s compared to NFL? It's not even CLOSE. Not only are the players in the NFL (as a whole) stronger and faster - there are many who just jump higher. They are usually DBs, WRs, TE's and even some linebackers.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:55 AM
Nope. NFL has the best athletes. Sure some of them like kicker and some QB's aren't very athletic. But in the NBA, being tall matters a little more than being athletic most of the time. If you are 6-2 and a freak of an athlete - it's still hard to make it in the NBA.

Have you ever looked at NBA combine #'s compared to NFL? It's not even CLOSE. Not only are the players in the NFL (as a whole) stronger and faster - there are many who just jump higher. They are usually DBs, WRs, TE's and even some linebackers.

all I'm going to do is laugh at this...

IN NO WAY...

are NFL players...

better athletes than NBA players...

That's just ludicrous.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 10:55 AM
being strong isn't athletic

Pestilence
11-19-2009, 11:00 AM
being strong isn't athletic

being tall isn't the same thing as being talented

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:01 AM
being tall isn't the same thing as being talented

so LeBron is just tall, he isn't talented?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL


JFC

If anyone thinks Randy Moss is more athletic than LeBron James...they should be shot in the face for being so stupid.

Pestilence
11-19-2009, 11:02 AM
so LeBron is just tall, he isn't talented?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL


JFC

If anyone thinks Randy Moss is more athletic than LeBron James...they should be shot in the face for being so stupid.

This coming from the guy that thinks that if you can shoot a 3 pointer....then you can obviously catch a pass.

You really are a fucking idiot....aren't you?

Go back to your online poker and hookers.

BWillie
11-19-2009, 11:05 AM
being strong isn't athletic

Go look at the NFL combine #'s and the NBA combine #'s and get back to me. Even throw out being strong. Then come talk to me.

Look - how many people are there above 6 foot 5? Not many. Do you see them at the supermarket? Nope. If you are really tall - and a decent athlete...you can make it in the NBA. NFL is where the freaks of nature play ball. LeBron is a freak of nature in the NBA - and would be better than most NFL players athletically. But I'm sure there are athletes as good as he in the NFL.

Bigger, faster, stronger. NFL.

BWillie
11-19-2009, 11:07 AM
so LeBron is just tall, he isn't talented?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL


JFC

If anyone thinks Randy Moss is more athletic than LeBron James...they should be shot in the face for being so stupid.

Why isn't he? Do you not think Reggie Bush or Calvin Johnson isn't better than 99% of the athletes in the NBA you are f*cking stupid.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:07 AM
I will point out...

If you can shoot 40%, in the NBA, from behind the arc...

You can catch a pass.

No doubt in my mind.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:10 AM
Why isn't he? Do you not think Reggie Bush or Calvin Johnson isn't better than 99% of the athletes in the NBA you are f*cking stupid.

Larry Fitzgerald signed a 4 year, 40M extension...

Randy Moss got even less...

Any idea why the superior athletes play in the NBA?

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:11 AM
Brian Cardinal signed a 6 year 40M contract 5 years ago...

Any idea why actual NBA caliber athletes play in the NBA?

Pestilence
11-19-2009, 11:12 AM
I will point out...

If you can shoot 40%, in the NBA, from behind the arc...

You can catch a pass.

No doubt in my mind.

ROFL Because they're so much alike and they both use the same skillset. Surrrreeeeee

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:12 AM
players are consistently overpaid in the NBA...

players are consistently underpaid, all things considered, in the NFL...

How much do you think Will Shields made in his NFL career

Pestilence
11-19-2009, 11:13 AM
Brian Cardinal signed a 6 year 40M contract 5 years ago...

Any idea why actual NBA caliber athletes play in the NBA?

Your point being? Everyone fucking realizes that you take less of a pounding and make way more money in the NBA. That doesn't mean that 90% of the players in the NBA could play in the NFL.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:14 AM
ROFL Because they're so much alike and they both use the same skillset. Surrrreeeeee

I don't know how to say this...

I played three sports in high school...

Basketball took the most skill...followed by baseball..

I was a receiver in high school...catching a pass with football gloves is not hard...all it takes is focus and concentration...easy.

If you can shoot a 3 pointer...you can catch a pass.

Brock
11-19-2009, 11:14 AM
There isn't any doubt in my mind that if James had chosen football over basketball, he'd be playing in the NFL, and most likely a big star.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:15 AM
Your point being? Everyone ****ing realizes that you take less of a pounding and make way more money in the NBA. That doesn't mean that 90% of the players in the NBA could play in the NFL.

So you're saying Chris Paul wouldn't be a good NFL player?

All of this..."NBA players couldn't take the pounding!" shit is just that...bullshit.

DeSean Jackson is an NFL receiver.

I am positive Chris Paul and Monta Ellis, PG size, could be NFL players.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:17 AM
There isn't any doubt in my mind that if James had chosen football over basketball, he'd be playing in the NFL, and most likely a big star.

and there is no doubt in my mind...

if the WORLD shut down basketball...it wasn't allowed...it turned into a worse offense than child pornography...

the NBA caliber athletes would take over every skill position in the NFL sans QB

ChiefsCountry
11-19-2009, 11:19 AM
I don't know how to say this...

I played three sports in high school...

Basketball took the most skill...followed by baseball..

I was a receiver in high school...catching a pass with football gloves is not hard...all it takes is focus and concentration...easy.

If you can shoot a 3 pointer...you can catch a pass.

Catching a football while getting the shit knocked out of you, yeah really fucking easy.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:21 AM
Catching a football while getting the shit knocked out of you, yeah really ****ing easy.

I'm going to keep reiterating this fact:

It is probably the greatest rebuttal to any of this myth that NFL players are superior athletes to NBA players...

DESEAN JACKSON CAN CATCH A FOOTBALL WHILE GETTING THE SHIT KNOCKED OUT OF HIM.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:23 AM
why?

why you say?

why don't more college basketball players like Antonio Gates make the jump to the NFL then?!?!?!

Easy.

They don't have to learn a new sport and they'll still make more money playing basketball overseas if they aren't good enough to be in the NBA!

BWillie
11-19-2009, 11:24 AM
I'm going to keep reiterating this fact:

It is probably the greatest rebuttal to any of this myth that NFL players are superior athletes to NBA players...

DESEAN JACKSON CAN CATCH A FOOTBALL WHILE GETTING THE SHIT KNOCKED OUT OF HIM.

I like how when I route people to NFL combine #'s they just don't respond. And go - nope. NBA players are more athletic than NFL.

Tyler Hansbrough made it in the NFL because he was a superior athlete right? Ildrounaus Ilgauskus? I could go on and on. Length, wingspan and height is a huge factor in the NBA. I unfortunately do not consider how tall you are "athletic".

ChiefsCountry
11-19-2009, 11:26 AM
Dude most basketball players would get killed in the NFL. They are tall and slender, anybody over 6'6 unless you have outstanding weight is sitting ducks in football. The injury risk is too high. Not to mention you are overvaluing basketball skills, its the one sport where about anybody can step onto a court and get lucky and score.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:28 AM
I'm not talking about tall white NBA players...

I don't think LeBron James could play LT...

I don't think Tyler Hansbrough would be an NFL option.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:29 AM
Not to mention you are overvaluing basketball skills, its the one sport where about anybody can step onto a court and get lucky and score.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

BWillie
11-19-2009, 11:33 AM
If you are 6 foot 7 and can shoot the 3. They will find a place for you in the NBA. And when you are growing up - you don't think "Oh, lets see. I've carefully viewed the salaries of NBA and NFL players and concluded that the NBA is the best option for me". Basketball takes more ACQUIRED skill than football. You need to learn to shoot - that can take forever for some people. The footwork and coordination to dribble and move correctly. Sure there is all of that in football - but if you find a guy that is 6-4 260 and can run a 4.45 and a 41 inch vert leap he's instantly a division 1 football player despite his production in high school. That is why the NFL combine is used as more of a tool when drafting players than the NBA combine. And with that said - minus the QB position - if you are in a position to be an NFL player you are already going to be a great athlete anyway.

Rain Man
11-19-2009, 11:34 AM
Brian Cardinal signed a 6 year 40M contract 5 years ago...

Any idea why actual NBA caliber athletes play in the NBA?


I would agree with your post that NBA players are overpaid compared to NFL players, but I also think another reason for some guys following the basketball route is that it's easier to be the star on a basketball team. Football is more of a team sport, and that doesn't work well for some people's egos.

I really don't think most NBA players could play in the NFL, though. They don't have the right build to survive. I suspect that there are perhaps two dozen in either league that could play in the other at more than a journeyman level. There may be more basketball players who could make the NFL leap just because the NFL makes room for a much wider range of skill sets than the NBA. Most NFL players simply aren't tall enough to make the move even if they have the other skills.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:40 AM
I don't think there is a single player in the NFL that could be more than a 12th man in the NBA...

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:42 AM
our very own Kansas City sports icon Tony Gonzalez would give up every one of his records/catches/TDs to have been able to be a 12th man in the NBA for 5-10 years.

Brock
11-19-2009, 11:43 AM
our very own Kansas City sports icon Tony Gonzalez would give up every one of his records/catches/TDs to have been able to be a 12th man in the NBA for 5-10 years.

Uhhh.....no.

KCrockaholic
11-19-2009, 11:44 AM
I am pretty sure Lebron could dominate if he was able to understand the mental aspect of football and run correct routes. Also if he played TE, could he block? Im not sure about his blocking skills, but as a receiver I have no reason to believe he wouldn't be a star. He was a star in high school, could have played for nearly any college he wanted. He was an absolute monster as a WR in high school. Long arms, huge hands. Ohio State and Notre Dame drooled over the thought of Lebron playing for their college. Did you know he scored 27 touchdowns in just 2 seasons playing at his high school? The guy is only 24 years old, 24! That is the same age as some of the rookies in the 2009 class. (Shonn Greene will be 24 soon). Lebron could probably be a better pass receiving TE than Antonio Gates. His coaches in high school also played in the NFL, they know what talent looks like, they knew Lebron could have easily been one of the most intriguing players in the NFL. I would have to say a lot of NBA players could go and play in the NFL and be good at it. NBA has some of the best athletes in the world. Probably more so than in the NFL. Nothing tells me that the NFL athletes are better in any way than the NBA athletes, other than their sport is not as violent.

Short Leash Hootie
11-19-2009, 11:45 AM
Uhhh.....no.

Well...I know he'd rather been a serviceable NBA player than a star NFL player...that's for sure.

Demonpenz
11-19-2009, 11:48 AM
allen iverson was the best football player in the country coming out of H.S.

KCrockaholic
11-19-2009, 11:49 AM
allen iverson was the best football player in the country coming out of H.S.

Yep, as a QB he was phenomenal. Matter-of-fact, he probably would have been better than Michael Vick in his prime if he had stayed on the football path. He also played safety.

svuba
11-19-2009, 12:54 PM
Both NFL Football and NBA basketball require you to be a freak of nature.
That is why neither of them are a good measure of the absolute worlds best athlete category.

Football players are fast, aggressive and powerful most are also insanely athletic, but not all of them.

Manny Pacquiao is probably more athletic that 90% of NFL Players, he is ridiculously quick and elusive, and by all standard a superior athlete, but I dont think he could play in the NFL or the NBA. What is he missing? Freakish Size.

Many world class soccer players are just as fast as any NFL player, and are ridiculously quick and athletic, but could they play NBA/NFL- - -NO
What is missing? Freakish Size.

How about George Saint Pierre, or BJ Penn? dont tell me that there are too many Offensive lineman who are even close to being that level of athlete.
What is missing? Freakish Size.

Certain positions such as QB, kick returner or scat back can occasionally be played by normal sized humans with great athletic ability, but the rest of the NFL players are Freaks of nature size wize.

Honestly what percentage of NFL players do you guys really think have roided up? we laugh and joke about it when someone gets caught as if they are the exception, but to be competitive in the NFL you have to be a freak of nature, and steroids helps you become one.


Lumping all NFL or NBA players into the "Worlds best athletes" category ....I think that is misguided.

svuba
11-19-2009, 12:57 PM
Catching a football while getting the shit knocked out of you, yeah really ****ing easy.

I think Lebron could play NFL football he is like a bigger version of Randy Moss, and if the only virtue that makes football players unique is that they a so incredibly tough, then that does not help the argument the they are such great athletes. they are just tough meatheads........i dont buy it Lebron would do just fine as a wide receiver.

ChiefsCountry
11-19-2009, 01:02 PM
I think Lebron could play NFL football he is like a bigger version of Randy Moss, and if the only virtue that makes football players unique is that they a so incredibly tough, then that does not help the argument the they are such great athletes. they are just tough meatheads........i dont buy it Lebron would do just fine as a wide receiver.

I think LeBron could do it, but Hootie was saying that catching a football is an easy thing. I say its alot harder trying to catch it and take the hit, or hell catching it on the fly with somebody chasing you.

svuba
11-19-2009, 01:20 PM
I think LeBron could do it, but Hootie was saying that catching a football is an easy thing. I say its alot harder trying to catch it and take the hit, or hell catching it on the fly with somebody chasing you.
Ok I hear you.
standing in the field playing catch with your buddies is one thing, and this is something entirely different. you are right about that.