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RNR
11-21-2009, 06:18 PM
This should be interesting :rolleyes:

Hydrae
11-21-2009, 06:22 PM
Yep, they will be debating whether to bother using any lube for us.

RNR
11-21-2009, 06:35 PM
Yep, they will be debating whether to bother using any lube for us.

It all just makes me ill. The right has sat on their ass and did nothing about the problems with our health care trying to take the high ground. On the other side you have the left trying to push this bullshit on us. What a f-ing train wreck~

Bwana
11-21-2009, 06:40 PM
It all just makes me ill. The right has sat on their ass and did nothing about the problems with our health care trying to take the high ground. On the other side you have the left trying to push this bullshit on us. What a f-ing train wreck~

Indeed and we, the people, end up get bent over and driven home. The whole system is so fucked up.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 06:45 PM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.

RNR
11-21-2009, 06:48 PM
Indeed and we, the people, end up get bent over and driven home. The whole system is so ****ed up.

I lean to the right as the left in my eyes is nothing short of Satan. That said the right can lose the hero act. I will root for them to do all they can do to stop these shitbags. The enemy of my enemy is my friend~

RNR
11-21-2009, 06:51 PM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.

Yeah the leftwing wackos got elected. That said if this bill was put to a vote by the people it would die quickly~

ClevelandBronco
11-21-2009, 06:53 PM
Damn this representative republic. :p

max sleeper
11-21-2009, 07:09 PM
GOOD!!! Let's get it passed and move on!

max sleeper
11-21-2009, 07:10 PM
This should be interesting :rolleyes:

Was wondering if you are a Christian?

wild1
11-21-2009, 07:14 PM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.

Yes, PPP polling said that 142% of Americans favor this bill!

2bikemike
11-21-2009, 07:33 PM
Great!
We're going to pass a national health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
financed by a country that's broke.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 07:34 PM
This debate, so far, has been vey cordial, by Washington standards. I've been watching it at home.

Of course, it is insanely early. Nobody's brought the crazy just yet, but I've only heard McConnell from the Republican side.

ClevelandBronco
11-21-2009, 07:35 PM
Great!
We're going to pass a national health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
financed by a country that's broke.

That's kind of long for a t-shirt, but I'd buy one anyway.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 07:38 PM
McConnell sits. His presentation was fairly mild. Who's going to bring the fire and brimstone tonight? Not the minority leader.

Harry Reid takes the floor.

petegz28
11-21-2009, 07:57 PM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.

We consented to it? How? Buy wasting hundreds of millions of $'s of tax payer money to buy votes?

petegz28
11-21-2009, 08:01 PM
To help secure her vote, Reid also included a provision in the bill sought by Landrieu to provide increased Medicaid funds for states recovering from major disasters such as 2005’s Hurricane Katrina that devastated New Orleans and parts of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

Landrieu defended the inclusion of the provision and said Republican critics who accuse her of selling her vote for $100 million are wrong and that she has the support of Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

“I will correct something. It’s not $100 million, it’s $300 million, and I’m proud of it and will keep fighting for it,” Landrieu told reporters after her floor speech. “But that is not why I started this health care debate; I started this health care debate for all the reasons I just mentioned in my statement” on the floor.

She added that she has sought the amendment since the beginning of this year.


$300 mil for a vote

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 08:09 PM
$300 mil for a vote

That kiiiiind of happens all the time. On everything. No matter who is in power. During the entire existence of Congress.

Hell you could simply complain about this very point about virtually every bill ever passed, every nominee ever approved.

I'm not saying it's a small deal, or that it's okay. You'll find arm-twisting and legal bribes like this behind almost every bill ever passed.

But you're either very young or you haven't really followed politics until Obama took office, because acting like this is news is high-larious.

petegz28
11-21-2009, 08:15 PM
That kiiiiind of happens all the time. On everything. No matter who is in power. During the entire existence of Congress.

Hell you could simply complain about this very point about virtually every bill ever passed, every nominee ever approved.

I'm not saying it's a small deal, or that it's okay. You'll find arm-twisting and legal bribes like this behind almost every bill ever passed.

But you're either very young or you haven't really followed politics until Obama took office, because acting like this is news is high-larious.

Given the level of deficits and records spending by this Admin, it stands to put this under different type of scrutiny.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 08:21 PM
Given the level of deficits and records spending by this Admin, it stands to put this under different type of scrutiny.

The deficit was already fucking horrendous under Bush, was it not.

petegz28
11-21-2009, 08:23 PM
The deficit was already ****ing horrendous under Bush, was it not.

What is your point? That repeating bad policy is somehow good cause you suck up to the current majority?

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 08:28 PM
What is your point? That repeating bad policy is somehow good cause you suck up to the current majority?

I just said, like two posts ago, that I wasn't saying it was good. But it is what it is.

My record on this is 100% consistent. You won't find a single post, not a single post, from me condemning legislative arm-twisting and bribing during the Bush administration. It'd be like complaining about a tree because it's too slow -- it's the nature of the beast.

The only difference now is that there's a different guy in charge. And that's why you're seeing a lot of conservatives with short memories like yourself just now caring about this.

petegz28
11-21-2009, 08:33 PM
I just said, like two posts ago, that I wasn't saying it was good. But it is what it is.

My record on this is 100% consistent. You won't find a single post, not a single post, from me condemning legislative arm-twisting and bribing during the Bush administration. It'd be like complaining about a tree because it's too slow -- it's the nature of the beast.

The only difference now is that there's a different guy in charge. And that's why you're seeing a lot of conservatives with short memories like yourself just now caring about this.

Wrong again. I was against that shit under Bush and I am against it even moreso now given the state of things. BTW, Obama has outsepent Bush already. In case you forgot that.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 08:43 PM
Wrong again. I was against that shit under Bush and I am against it even moreso now given the state of things. BTW, Obama has outsepent Bush already. In case you forgot that.

I don't understand what you mean. You were "against this shit" under Bush? You were around in DC exactly how long during the Bush administration?

Where are the threads? Where are the posts? Where's the outrage? If you can find me one, I'll recant.

Hell, find me one from any conservative that complained and I'll recant. The political forum has existed for almost Bush's entire tenure as President. I was around for the last two years, when Bush's deficit became ridiculous and this was happening.

Nothing about legislative bribing then. Not a freakin' peep. But now it's a talking point.

"I was against this shit, too." Hmmm. I suppose I should just take your word for it, like I've had to with tons of conservatives complaining about Obama repeating Bush's actions.

Would you at least admit that if this were actually true, and you and your fellow conservatives actually did care about this "outrage" during the Bush administration, that there's virtually no evidence on this forum to support that claim?

Warrior5
11-21-2009, 08:46 PM
That kind of happens all the time. On everything. No matter who is in power. During the entire existence of Congress. Hell you could simply complain about this very point about virtually every bill ever passed, every nominee ever approved. I'm not saying it's a small deal, or that it's okay. You'll find arm-twisting and legal bribes like this behind almost every bill ever passed. But you're either very young or you haven't really followed politics until Obama took office, because acting like this is news is high-larious.

I mostly agree with this. While many people voicing their disgust may in fact be politically naive or simply hate Obama, I'd venture a significant number of politically astute complainers are disgusted with status quo "legal bribery' impacting legislation of such enormity in terms of cost, individual freedom, and constitutionality.

Whatever finally reaches Obama's desk for signature, everyone, including members of Congress, had better understand the permanency of effects it will cause.

What is truly "high-larious" is these same politicians complaining of corruption in Maliki's or Karzai's administrations. We have no credibility, and no foot to stand on; only our hypocrisy on display.

petegz28
11-21-2009, 08:47 PM
I mostly agree with this. While many people voicing their disgust may in fact be politically naive or simply hate Obama, I'd venture a significant number of politically astute complainers are disgusted with status quo "legal bribery' impacting legislation of such enormity in terms of cost, individual freedom, and constitutionality.

Whatever finally reaches Obama's desk for signature, everyone, including members of Congress, had better understand the permanency of effects it will cause.

What is truly "high-larious" is these same politicians complaining of corruption in Maliki's or Karzai's administrations. We have no credibility, and no foot to stand on; only our hypocrisy on display.

It's called pork. Or a version thereof. And it's BS.

petegz28
11-21-2009, 08:48 PM
I don't understand what you mean. You were "against this shit" under Bush? You were around in DC exactly how long during the Bush administration?

Where are the threads? Where are the posts? Where's the outrage? If you can find me one, I'll recant.

Hell, find me one from any conservative that complained and I'll recant. The political forum has existed for almost Bush's entire tenure as President. I was around for the last two years, when Bush's deficit became ridiculous and this was happening.

Nothing about legislative bribing then. Not a freakin' peep. But now it's a talking point.

"I was against this shit, too." Hmmm. I suppose I should just take your word for it, like I've had to with tons of conservatives complaining about Obama repeating Bush's actions.
Would you at least admit that if this were actually true, and you and your fellow conservatives actually did care about this "outrage" during the Bush administration, that there's virtually no evidence on this forum to support that claim?

So I take it then you think Bush was a stellar President?

Pioli Zombie
11-21-2009, 08:50 PM
Was wondering if you are a Christian?

Wtf kind of question is that?
Posted via Mobile Device

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 08:51 PM
So I take it then you think Bush was a stellar President?

It's kind of silly to talk about Presidents anyway, this is legislative shit we're talking about.

But you didn't answer my question:

Would you at least admit that if this were actually true, and you and your fellow conservatives actually did care about this "outrage" during the Bush administration, that there's virtually no evidence on this forum to support that claim?

petegz28
11-21-2009, 08:54 PM
It's kind of silly to talk about Presidents anyway, this is legislative shit we're talking about.

But you didn't answer my question:

Would you at least admit that if this were actually true, and you and your fellow conservatives actually did care about this "outrage" during the Bush administration, that there's virtually no evidence on this forum to support that claim?

No, I won't admit it. That is just a BS accusation on your part. FTR, I wasn't on DC for the majority of the Bush Admin

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 08:55 PM
No, I won't admit it. That is just a BS accusation on your part. FTR, I wasn't on DC for the majority of the Bush Admin

Why is it a bullshit accusation?

Are you saying that, during the Bush administration, conservatives were complaining about legislative arm-twisting and bribery like they are now?

Warrior5
11-21-2009, 08:57 PM
That kind of happens all the time. On everything. No matter who is in power. During the entire existence of Congress. Hell you could simply complain about this very point about virtually every bill ever passed, every nominee ever approved. I'm not saying it's a small deal, or that it's okay. You'll find arm-twisting and legal bribes like this behind almost every bill ever passed. But you're either very young or you haven't really followed politics until Obama took office, because acting like this is news is high-larious.

I mostly agree with this. While many people voicing their disgust may in fact be politically naive or simply hate Obama, I'd venture a significant number of politically astute complainers are disgusted with status quo "legal bribery' impacting legislation of such enormity in terms of cost, individual freedom, and constitutionality.

Whatever finally reaches Obama's desk for signature, everyone, including members of Congress, had better understand the permanency of effects it will cause.

What is truly "high-larious" is these same politicians complaining of corruption in Maliki's or Karzai's administrations. We have no credibility, and no foot to stand on; only our hypocrisy on display.

Taco John
11-21-2009, 08:58 PM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.

I'm not consenting to any of this. I don't want to be forced into a shoddy system designed to enshrine health insurance companies through force of government.

This is being pushed on me against my will if it passes.

What do you call it when you push something on somebody against their will? In some circumstances, they call it "rape." In this, you'll call it "democracy."

Democracy fucking sucks.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 09:01 PM
I'm not consenting to any of this.

When you choose to live in a democracy, you are.

headsnap
11-21-2009, 09:07 PM
I don't understand what you mean. You were "against this shit" under Bush? You were around in DC exactly how long during the Bush administration?

Where are the threads? Where are the posts? Where's the outrage? If you can find me one, I'll recant.

Hell, find me one from any conservative that complained and I'll recant. The political forum has existed for almost Bush's entire tenure as President. I was around for the last two years, when Bush's deficit became ridiculous and this was happening.

Nothing about legislative bribing then. Not a freakin' peep. But now it's a talking point.

"I was against this shit, too." Hmmm. I suppose I should just take your word for it, like I've had to with tons of conservatives complaining about Obama repeating Bush's actions.

Would you at least admit that if this were actually true, and you and your fellow conservatives actually did care about this "outrage" during the Bush administration, that there's virtually no evidence on this forum to support that claim?

are you saying that there were no threads about pork until now?

Taco John
11-21-2009, 09:08 PM
That kiiiiind of happens all the time. On everything. No matter who is in power. During the entire existence of Congress.

Hell you could simply complain about this very point about virtually every bill ever passed, every nominee ever approved.

I'm not saying it's a small deal, or that it's okay. You'll find arm-twisting and legal bribes like this behind almost every bill ever passed.

But you're either very young or you haven't really followed politics until Obama took office, because acting like this is news is high-larious.



Direckshun rationalizing earmarks. Fucking priceless! ROFL

What a clown.

Taco John
11-21-2009, 09:11 PM
When you choose to live in a democracy, you are.


We don't live in a democracy, you socialist dope.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 09:16 PM
are you saying that there were no threads about pork until now?

I'm talking specifically about quid pro quo, a legal form of bribery in Congress that's gone on since Congress existed, but a practice that conservatives decided just started Jan 20th.

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 09:17 PM
Direckshun rationalizing earmarks. ****ing priceless! ROFL

What a clown.

I'm not rationalizing it -- good lord.

It didn't start during the Obama administration. But conservative outrage over it has.

headsnap
11-21-2009, 09:21 PM
I'm talking specifically about quid pro quo, a legal form of bribery in Congress that's gone on since Congress existed, but a practice that conservatives decided just started Jan 20th.

r u serious???? :shake:

headsnap
11-21-2009, 09:22 PM
But conservative outrage over it has.

BULLSHIT!!!!



nice hijack... it's working so far...

stevieray
11-21-2009, 09:24 PM
I'm not rationalizing it -- good lord.

It didn't start during the Obama administration. But conservative outrage over it has.number nine number nine number nine

Taco John
11-21-2009, 10:18 PM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.


When you choose to live in a democracy, you [accept whatever the majority forces on you and call it "consent"].

Conformist, hive-minded, socialist idiot.

petegz28
11-21-2009, 10:23 PM
Conformist, hive-minded, socialist idiot.

Isn't it amazing how the Left was crying about being in the minority when they were out of power? Now suddenly it is you are to accept what the majority says?

Direckshun
11-21-2009, 10:30 PM
Isn't it amazing how the Left was crying about being in the minority when they were out of power?

You don't mean in this forum, do you?

BucEyedPea
11-22-2009, 06:18 AM
Isn't it amazing how the Left was crying about being in the minority when they were out of power? Now suddenly it is you are to accept what the majority says?

That's where the Constitution is supposed to come into operation.

Calcountry
11-22-2009, 06:55 AM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.They didn't ask us. You will be taxed for years with no benefits. That's o.k, them rich fuggers need to pay.

Calcountry
11-22-2009, 06:58 AM
We don't live in a democracy, you socialist dope.If we did, there is no way this government takeover of health care would happen. But then, don't expect the tool to understand what I mean.

Calcountry
11-22-2009, 07:00 AM
When you choose to live in a democracy, you are.REPUBLIC you idiot. we live in a REPUBLIC.

If we didn't, health care would be dead.

jidar
11-22-2009, 08:08 AM
This is the big ticket thing you get when you elect democrats.

100B/year more on healthcare. Maybe you don't like it, but what can you do.

The big ticket item we get with republicans is overspending on defense (maybe they should start calling it offense.)

200b/year more on discretionary defense spending. Maybe you don't like it, but what can you do.

Pick your poison.

I hate the way Washington spends money, but if we're going to spend it I would rather it be to reform healthcare which is having a dramatic impact on my life in a direct way. My employer pays out the ass for my health plan and it's been going up for years.

RNR
11-22-2009, 08:11 AM
Was wondering if you are a Christian?

Why are you?

Direckshun
11-22-2009, 08:58 AM
They didn't ask us.

Isn't that what voting is for?

banyon
11-22-2009, 09:41 AM
How DARE the Senate start debating legislation! Who do they think they are, the U.S. Senate or something?

banyon
11-22-2009, 09:42 AM
REPUBLIC you idiot. we live in a REPUBLIC.

If we didn't, health care would be dead.

Probably not, because the people you don't like would probably vote in larger numbers in a pure, direct democracy.

RNR
11-22-2009, 01:24 PM
How DARE the Senate start debating legislation! Who do they think they are, the U.S. Senate or something?

I wish they would have just voted. Everyone less the looney far left knows this is a burden the government can't handle and can't afford. The ripple effect would let air out of the balloon loan false recovery going on. I have an idea why don't they work on creating jobs and deal with the war we are in.

Norman Einstein
11-22-2009, 08:59 PM
I can understand disliking the bill, but I don't understand how the left is "pushing" anything "on us," as if we didn't consent to it.

Senate 60 (D&DI) 39 (R)

IIRC the D & DI are the left. correct me if I"m wrong.

Check the numbers in the house, same thing.

If you can't see this as a left driven issue you haven't been paying attention. The president told Pelosi to exclude any Republican from the closed door meetings when they contrived the bill. Nope, nothing left about that there.

Norman Einstein
11-22-2009, 09:02 PM
The deficit was already ****ing horrendous under Bush, was it not.

Not to the extent we've gotten to in 10 months of obama.

Demonpenz
11-23-2009, 08:57 AM
I am ready to get something done. Health care needs reform badly.

BigRedChief
11-23-2009, 09:01 AM
I am ready to get something done. Health care needs reform badly.I agree. I'm still not sold on a government run health care program, but I could live with an opt-out option that would allow a public vote in a state. Let the people in each state decide.

But the rest of the reforms are way past due.

HonestChieffan
11-23-2009, 09:03 AM
Yea change for the worse that costs the country its future must be better than no change or change that may actually work, right?

FishingRod
11-23-2009, 09:33 AM
Hell, find me one from any conservative that complained and I'll recant. The political forum has existed for almost Bush's entire tenure as President. I was around for the last two years, when Bush's deficit became ridiculous and this was happening.




Do I count as a conservative? I like to complain.