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chiefzilla1501
11-22-2009, 11:22 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1587222.html
The victory was just icing. The progress could be seen long before Matt Cassel shook off a critical fumble and began the process of rehabilitating his image.

The progress started with Kansas City’s rookie head coach, Todd Haley, who may have finally figured out what to do with his game-day emotions.

Rather than castigate his players, F-bomb his assistants and bicker with the refs, Haley spent his most productive Sunday as an NFL head coach fueling his players with positive energy. They responded with their most promising performance in two years.

Kansas City 27, Pittsburgh 24 in OT!

Yes, the Kansas City Chiefs, winners of five of their last 30 games, knocked off the defending Super Bowl champions at Arrowhead Stadium.

It wasn’t a fluke. The Steelers tried to win the game. They didn’t stumble into Arrowhead hung over from a night of being denied entrance into P&L nightclubs. The Chiefs played a good football game and took advantage of the Steelers’ errors.

Jamaal Charles returned the opening kickoff for a touchdown. Tamba Hali led a Kansas City pass rush that harassed Big Ben Roethlisberger and eventually sidelined him with a knee to the head. Brandon Flowers manufactured the first of four Pittsburgh turnovers, poking the ball out of the arm of receiver Mike Wallace. KC safeties Mike Brown and Jon McGraw accepted the challenge of being physical against Pittsburgh’s running game. Linebacker Andy Studebaker intercepted Big Ben twice, returning one 94 yards, setting up a Kansas City field goal.

And, most important, the Chiefs’ $63 million acquisition, Cassel, showed some real courage down the stretch. I thought he was going to fold after his inexcusable 360-spin, I’m-afraid-of-a-pass-rush fumble that basically handed the Steelers a 24-17 advantage in the fourth quarter.

Cassel had been dreadful to that point, completing eight of 18 passes for 95 yards through a little more than three quarters of play.

“He was really down when he turned the ball over, but he bounced back and made some great plays,” Haley said of his quarterback.

Cassel may have saved his Kansas City career. He certainly bought himself some time.

On KC’s next possession, facing third and 9 from the Chiefs’ 10, Cassel laced a strike down the middle of the Pittsburgh defense to Lance Long for 30 yards. Cassel followed it up with a 47-yard bomb to Chris Chambers. Cassel drove the Chiefs 91 yards in eight plays, hitting Charles with a 2-yard TD pass.

In overtime, Cassel set up the Chiefs’ game-winning field goal with a 61-yard, third-and-5 connection to Chambers.

If you would like, you can crawl into the statistics — which were dominated by the Steelers — and craft an argument that the Chiefs got lucky.

Nope. This was Kansas City-created good fortune. No doubt the Steelers are the better team and would likely beat the Chiefs eight out of 10 games. But Haley’s Chiefs followed a proven blueprint on how to beat a superior football team: 1. win the turnover battle; 2. score on special teams; 3. get after the opposing quarterback; 4. make big plays that dramatically change field position.

Did Haley mismanage the clock at the end of both halves? Yes, he was too conservative before halftime. But that’s nitpicking.

Haley coached an excellent football game. He concentrated on play-calling and encouraging his players. He left the refs alone. He didn’t overreact to the mistakes made by his players.

Had the Chiefs lost the game, I would be writing the exact same thing. Haley is learning how to be a head coach. His players are noticing and appreciative of his change in demeanor.

“I’m a rookie head coach and am passionate about what I do,” Haley said. “I live and die every day on how it goes with this team — not just game day. When you care about something, there is going to be some emotion. It’s easy to be positive when good things are happening.”

Good things happen when you expect positive results, when you put your mind in a positive place, when you treat the people fighting with you like they have as much invested in the outcome as you do.

Haley’s transformation from coaching mad man to competent leader has been going on for several weeks. Sunday, he finally struck the right balance. His team reflected his new spirit. The players wanted to shock the Steelers as much as their coach, whose father played and worked for the Steelers.

Are things perfect between Haley and his players? No. But there’s been a lot of progress.

To reach Jason Whitlock, call 816-234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com.

CaliforniaChief
11-22-2009, 11:23 PM
Not to brag or anything, but...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6286855&postcount=30

KCbroncoHATER
11-22-2009, 11:24 PM
Props!

Reerun_KC
11-22-2009, 11:24 PM
Jwhit can fuck himself. die in a flaming bucket of aids.
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Short Leash Hootie
11-22-2009, 11:25 PM
you know what's funny?

When it counted...especially defensively...WE looked like the defending Super Bowl Champs...not them.

Count Alex's Losses
11-22-2009, 11:25 PM
We know the truth, Jason.

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Short Leash Hootie
11-22-2009, 11:25 PM
the Mike Brown blitz...the Derrick Johnson circus catch...and then the Belcher 3rd and short stop in OT...wow...those were three very impressive, very clutch plays.

cjp27
11-22-2009, 11:26 PM
He would not have been writing the same column had the Chiefs lost.

chiefzilla1501
11-22-2009, 11:26 PM
Not to brag or anything, but...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6286855&postcount=30

I agree.

It's been interesting to listen to Haley's tone the last few weeks. I remember after the Chargers game, I was expecting him to go absolutely apeshit. The Chiefs played like shit. But during the Press Conference, he spoke a lot about how he was happy with the way they played and how they prepared for that game. Probably coachspeak, but it was a rapid departure from earlier in the year when he was continually disappointed in his team.

You could see a whole different personality in him against Pittsburgh. Much happier. Having a really good time. And I think it really rubbed off on the players.

We'll see if this is something permanent, or if he goes back to being an asshole again next week. Either way, I did enjoy his post-game comments where he was giddy like a school girl.

DaneMcCloud
11-22-2009, 11:28 PM
I don't think it's a coincidence that Haley had his best coaching effort and breakthrough game while his father was in town.

And before you jump to conclusions, I'm talking about his actual mother and father.

Many people perform at their highest level in front of their parents and Haley appears to be no exception.

KCChiefsFan88
11-22-2009, 11:28 PM
Next week is going to be a big test to see how sustained the Chiefs progress since the bye week is. I'm not asking for the Chiefs to beat the Chargers in San Diego next Sunday, but I would like to see them be competitive throughout the game.

DeezNutz
11-22-2009, 11:36 PM
Same old Whitlock, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, we get it. Ego.

DBOSHO
11-22-2009, 11:36 PM
[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;6287026]I don't think it's a coincidence that Haley had his best coaching effort and breakthrough game while his father was in town.

And before you jump to conclusions, I'm talking about his actual mother and father.

Many people perform at their highest level in front of their parents and Haley appears to be no exception.[/QUOTE

his parents are more than welcome to the rest of the games then.

Direckshun
11-22-2009, 11:36 PM
It's also possible that Haley had a LOT less to be pissed about.

His Chiefs played the best they absolutely could, with minimal dumb mistakes.

DeezNutz
11-22-2009, 11:38 PM
It's also possible that Haley had a LOT less to be pissed about.

His Chiefs played the best they absolutely could, with minimal dumb mistakes.

The what? They played the best they absolutely could? Wha?

Did you watch the first half? That was as bad of a half of football that we've witnessed all year.

If he stayed calm through that, it's definite improvement on Haley's part.

Direckshun
11-22-2009, 11:41 PM
There's a difference between bad and stupid.

If bad's the best you can do because you're a bad player, screaming doesn't do much.

Haley's lost his shit over dumb things, at least from what I can tell on TV.

Chocolate Hog
11-22-2009, 11:46 PM
Haleys Chiefs are 3-2 in the last 5 ballgames

Direckshun
11-22-2009, 11:48 PM
I know nobody in this thread will remember this, so I'll just ask that you use my reputation (not my rep, my actual reputation) built up over 3 years of posting here, and 17,000 posts as a guide here when I say the following:

I called this. I said the team would go 0-whatever, or 1-whatever before the bye, and would go .500 after the bye.

This team is being built the right way.

Silock
11-22-2009, 11:54 PM
The what? They played the best they absolutely could? Wha?

Did you watch the first half? That was as bad of a half of football that we've witnessed all year.

If he stayed calm through that, it's definite improvement on Haley's part.

I don't think it was THAT bad. Not as good as it should have been, but it wasn't as bad a half as the Oakland game, by far.

I mean, the Steelers had WAY more penalties than we did. I think we had 2 the whole game.

Psyko Tek
11-22-2009, 11:55 PM
Next week is going to be a big test to see how sustained the Chiefs progress since the bye week is. I'm not asking for the Chiefs to beat the Chargers in San Diego next Sunday, but I would like to see them be competitive throughout the game.

fuck that ask, hope for a wim
be satisfied with a competetive game

DeezNutz
11-22-2009, 11:58 PM
I don't think it was THAT bad. Not as good as it should have been, but it wasn't as bad a half as the Oakland game, by far.

I mean, the Steelers had WAY more penalties than we did. I think we had 2 the whole game.

It was disastrous. We gave up approximately 300 yards of offense, while managing only about 50 ourselves. Cassel was wretched, and Haley looked lost to end the half, with all three timeouts in his pocket.

This is what made the second half all the more remarkable.

Silock
11-23-2009, 12:37 AM
It was disastrous. We gave up approximately 300 yards of offense, while managing only about 50 ourselves. Cassel was wretched, and Haley looked lost to end the half, with all three timeouts in his pocket.

This is what made the second half all the more remarkable.

I'm not saying it wasn't bad. It was. But I don't think it was the worst half of the season. I thought our first half against the Eagles was definitely worse. We were down 24-7 at the half and just gave up. We weren't even trying by half-time.

Raised On Riots
11-23-2009, 01:04 AM
He would not have been writing the same column had the Chiefs lost.

I agree. That part seemed disingenuous. Otherwise the article was FAIR to all parties involved.

DaneMcCloud
11-23-2009, 01:22 AM
It was disastrous. We gave up approximately 300 yards of offense, while managing only about 50 ourselves. Cassel was wretched, and Haley looked lost to end the half, with all three timeouts in his pocket.

This is what made the second half all the more remarkable.

Dude, the Chiefs won! That's all that counts!

Leave the stats to the stats guys or whatever they're called.

Pablo
11-23-2009, 01:23 AM
Dude, the Chiefs won! That's all that counts!

Leave the stat to the stats guys or whatever they're called.The letter 'W' is better than any number in any stat column.

Bunit
11-23-2009, 01:46 AM
That fat motherfucker such a fucking joke.

GoHuge
11-23-2009, 02:13 AM
It's also possible that Haley had a LOT less to be pissed about.

His Chiefs played the best they absolutely could, with minimal dumb mistakes.Well I couldn't agree more. I'll use the best quote I ever heard from a coach regarding this very topic........."I don't have to yell as much when they don't do dumb things." Frank Martin

Raised On Riots
11-23-2009, 03:33 AM
Dude, the Chiefs won! That's all that counts!

Leave the stats to the stats guys or whatever they're called.

I can only speak for myself. It's not that the Chiefs won, it's that the Chiefs won against a legitimate team.
Now maybe the Steelers were a bit lacking in the mojo department due to the losses or because TP is such a massive player that makes said mojo happen( I'll take Eric Berry in the 1st please:D), but the Chiefs did what was considered by everyone under the sun to be impossible.

Hell, not only impossible, but unthinkable. That DOES count.

I know what this game means in the big picture; a fabulous win by a team that has MILES of work ahead. But God damn; if you're going to throw down the gauntlet as a team and say "I've had enough of this shit, and today you're going to hear about it", it was about as perfect and poetic a win as one could ask for.

SenselessChiefsFan
11-23-2009, 05:23 AM
I love how he said Haley has been developing over the last couple weeks.... funny.... I thought he just blasted him last Monday after a win. I doubt he would be writing the same article after a loss. It just so happens that he would have come off even less credible had he bashed Haley after winning a game against a much superior team.

the Talking Can
11-23-2009, 05:57 AM
"Haley’s transformation from coaching mad man to competent leader has been going on for several weeks"



Whitlock is an ass clown, and a liar.


one week ago, Whitlock wrote (after a win), that Haley has an out of control ego and no credibility as a coach...

two weeks ago, Whitlock wrote, that Haley was in over his head and "had no clue about leadership," he also claimed that Haley "stripped his players of emotion"...and wrote this of Haley ever becoming something but an egotistical, Brian Waters hating, failure:

"They [pioli/haley] remind me a little bit of legacy frat boys. Those guys never change."




then fat ass tries to jump on the bandwagon as if he has the first fucking clue about anything Haley is doing....Clown Show

Von Dumbass
11-23-2009, 06:41 AM
you know what's funny?

When it counted...especially defensively...WE looked like the defending Super Bowl Champs...not them.

Well Big Ben and Troy Polamlu weren't on the field.....

Pioli Zombie
11-23-2009, 06:42 AM
Picture this. How pumped would Chiefs Nation be if the Chiefs ever went into San Diego and won their 3rd straight and 4th out of 6? People might cream.
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Pioli Zombie
11-23-2009, 06:43 AM
Well Big Ben and Troy Polamlu weren't on the field.....
Broncos are collapsing like a Twin Tower
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TheGuardian
11-23-2009, 06:51 AM
Well Big Ben and Troy Polamlu weren't on the field.....

Only two teams have ever started off 6-0 and then lost four straight. Can you name me one of those two teams?

KCUnited
11-23-2009, 06:55 AM
The White Power & Light dig made me chuckle, but ultimately I agree with Can.

beach tribe
11-23-2009, 06:57 AM
"Haley’s transformation from coaching mad man to competent leader has been going on for several weeks"



Whitlock is an ass clown, and a liar.


one week ago, Whitlock wrote (after a win), that Haley has an out of control ego and no credibility as a coach...

two weeks ago, Whitlock wrote, that Haley was in over his head and "had no clue about leadership," he also claimed that Haley "stripped his players of emotion"...and wrote this of Haley ever becoming something but an egotistical, Brian Waters hating, failure:

"They [pioli/haley] remind me a little bit of legacy frat boys. Those guys never change."




then fat ass tries to jump on the bandwagon as if he has the first ****ing clue about anything Haley is doing....Clown Show

This.

Whitlock is nothing but 2 faced bitch. Always has been always will be.

beach tribe
11-23-2009, 06:58 AM
Well Big Ben and Troy Polamlu weren't on the field.....

Actually Ben was on the field 95% of the time it counted. He only missed half of 1 drive.

beach tribe
11-23-2009, 06:59 AM
Well Big Ben and Troy Polamlu weren't on the field.....

Chiefs 3-2

Donkeys 1-4

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY??

Coogs
11-23-2009, 07:05 AM
Good article. No sense in nitpicking on anything today. This is a feel good week for everybody connected with the Chiefs. Orginazation, team, fans, and even the media. Well deserved for all of us too!

Count Alex's Losses
11-23-2009, 07:06 AM
Chiefs 3-2

Donkeys 1-4

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY??

http://i49.tinypic.com/aob449.gif

Coogs
11-23-2009, 07:10 AM
I can only speak for myself. It's not that the Chiefs won, it's that the Chiefs won against a legitimate team.
Now maybe the Steelers were a bit lacking in the mojo department due to the losses or because TP is such a massive player that makes said mojo happen( I'll take Eric Berry in the 1st please:D), but the Chiefs did what was considered by everyone under the sun to be impossible.

Hell, not only impossible, but unthinkable. That DOES count.

I know what this game means in the big picture; a fabulous win by a team that has MILES of work ahead. But God damn; if you're going to throw down the gauntlet as a team and say "I've had enough of this shit, and today you're going to hear about it", it was about as perfect and poetic a win as one could ask for.

:clap:

Von Dumbass
11-23-2009, 07:14 AM
Actually Ben was on the field 95% of the time it counted. He only missed half of 1 drive.

When it mattered most he wasn't on the field.


Chiefs 3-2

Donkeys 1-4

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY??
The Steelers beat themselves, KC didn't win.

Coogs
11-23-2009, 07:15 AM
I was watching the local sports at 10 PM last night on either Fox4 or NBC41. They had a bit of the press conference with Haley after the game, and it sure appeared/sounded like the members of the media gave Haley an ovation when he walked into the room. And Haley seemed very humbled and pleased with their welcome.

Count Alex's Losses
11-23-2009, 07:16 AM
I was watching the local sports at 10 PM last night on either Fox4 or NBC41. They had a bit of the press conference with Haley after the game, and it sure appeared/sounded like the members of the media gave Haley an ovation when he walked into the room. And Haley seemed very humbled and pleased with their welcome.

God, this town is so full of homers. ROFL

KCUnited
11-23-2009, 07:17 AM
When it mattered most he wasn't on the field.

Because we knocked him out.

penchief
11-23-2009, 07:50 AM
That fat mother****er such a ****ing joke.

Whitlock is laying the groundwork for a graceful retreat from his character attacks against Haley. After being exposed for behaving petty and unprofessional he can't allow himself to be boxed in. That said, I applaud his attempt to be more objective, although he's more likely trying to give himself future wiggle room rather than acknowledge that his personal attacks were over the top and vindictive.

It struck me how those players standing next to Haley on the sidelines when the final whistle blew were giving him a lot of love. It doesn't appear to me that he's lost this team or that his players hate him. I think that reality is beginning to sink in with Whitlock forcing him to reevaluate his media campaign against Haley's character.

The Bad Guy
11-23-2009, 08:06 AM
When it mattered most he wasn't on the field.



The Steelers beat themselves, KC didn't win.

God you are so predictable.

With the exception of the Charger road game, then I could say the exact same about the Bronco 5 wins.

You couldn't beat that Steeler team in your backyard.

Sucks to be you, loser.

Coogs
11-23-2009, 08:30 AM
God, this town is so full of homers. ROFL

I don't get this. What is wrong with the local media giving Haley an ovation for a job well done? IMO, the media likes Haley and wants him to succeed. JW has even said as much. That was a huge win yesterday, and everybody knows it. It does not mean we will win another game the rest of the year, but it does put the chance of more wins on a higher plane than before.

How does that make the town full of homers?

Count Alex's Losses
11-23-2009, 08:31 AM
I don't get this. What is wrong with the local media giving Haley an ovation for a job well done? IMO, the media likes Haley and wants him to succeed. JW has even said as much. That was a huge win yesterday, and everybody knows it. It does not mean we will win another game the rest of the year, but it does put the chance of more wins on a higher plane than before.

How does that make the town full of homers?

It's cute and all...but come on. That only happens in Kansas City. You think that would happen in New York or Chicago?

I actually like it. It's good sports drama. But...it's kinda silly.

penchief
11-23-2009, 08:34 AM
It's cute and all...but come on. That only happens in Kansas City. You think that would happen in New York or Chicago?

I actually like it. It's good sports drama. But...it's kinda silly.

I don't think Whitlock's being a homer. I think he's backpeddling for self-serving reasons.

Coogs
11-23-2009, 08:36 AM
It's cute and all...but come on. That only happens in Kansas City. You think that would happen in New York or Chicago?

I actually like it. It's good sports drama. But...it's kinda silly.

Don't know and don't care. But it makes me a bit proud of our media and coach. And yes I bash our media for their lack of creativitiy in asking questions of our HC, but I thought it was classy.

Reerun_KC
11-23-2009, 08:37 AM
I don't think Whitlock's being a homer. I think he's backpeddling for self-serving reasons.

I dont think that is possible without someone getting seriously injured....

ChiTown
11-23-2009, 08:39 AM
When it mattered most he wasn't on the field.



The Steelers beat themselves, KC didn't win.

Go fuck your sister, again.

Mr. Plow
11-23-2009, 08:58 AM
The Steelers beat themselves, KC didn't win.


And San Diego dismantled the Broncos. They didn't lose the game, they got their ass kicked.

Count Alex's Losses
11-23-2009, 09:11 AM
I don't think Whitlock's being a homer. I think he's backpeddling for self-serving reasons.

He mailed that column in. It was a big yawn. He definitely got caught off guard. No way did he expect the Chiefs to beat the Steelers.

dirk digler
11-23-2009, 09:13 AM
"Haley’s transformation from coaching mad man to competent leader has been going on for several weeks"



Whitlock is an ass clown, and a liar.


one week ago, Whitlock wrote (after a win), that Haley has an out of control ego and no credibility as a coach...

two weeks ago, Whitlock wrote, that Haley was in over his head and "had no clue about leadership," he also claimed that Haley "stripped his players of emotion"...and wrote this of Haley ever becoming something but an egotistical, Brian Waters hating, failure:

"They [pioli/haley] remind me a little bit of legacy frat boys. Those guys never change."




then fat ass tries to jump on the bandwagon as if he has the first fucking clue about anything Haley is doing....Clown Show

Double this. He never once gave Haley any kind of credit until they won yesterday.

Brock
11-23-2009, 09:15 AM
Well Big Ben and Troy Polamlu weren't on the field.....

Sour grapes from a bitch who hasn't won in 4 weeks. Excuse me, 5 weeks counting the bye.

Warrior5
11-23-2009, 09:22 AM
He mailed that column in. It was a big yawn. He definitely got caught off guard. No way did he expect the Chiefs to beat the Steelers.

Speaking of mail, Clayton: I eagerly anticipate a .gif extravaganza on yesterday's game.:D

Easy 6
11-23-2009, 09:30 AM
Speaking of mail, Clayton: I eagerly anticipate a .gif extravaganza on yesterday's game.:D

These & those.

Sully
11-23-2009, 09:32 AM
noticed an interesting dynamic on the sideline yesterday that was either a first, or just something I had never seen before.
While the D was on the field, and after the O-groups had met, I saw Waters and Bradley going over to where the defensive subs were (also where Haley was standing). Waters said something to Haley, and Haley turned around and responded... And I thought they were about to get into it. But Waters stood with the D (as well as Bradley) for the better part of the rest of the game, ostensibly rooting them on. I think that's the first real leadership I've seen from Waters all year.

wild1
11-23-2009, 09:33 AM
there it is... "Haley won because he started taking my advice... credit me for this victory..."

Royal Fanatic
11-23-2009, 09:36 AM
there it is... "Haley won because he started taking my advice... credit me for this victory..."
Exactly! Fatlock isn't backpedaling: he's saying "I told you so".

jwhit
11-23-2009, 09:54 AM
noticed an interesting dynamic on the sideline yesterday that was either a first, or just something I had never seen before.
While the D was on the field, and after the O-groups had met, I saw Waters and Bradley going over to where the defensive subs were (also where Haley was standing). Waters said something to Haley, and Haley turned around and responded... And I thought they were about to get into it. But Waters stood with the D (as well as Bradley) for the better part of the rest of the game, ostensibly rooting them on. I think that's the first real leadership I've seen from Waters all year.

Waters has been leading all year.

Haley has made positive strides. I write what I see and hear.

And I'm definitely not backpedaling. I like Haley. Want him to succeed. Glad he's taking a different approach. The guy is willing to evolve. Great sign.

Count Alex's Losses
11-23-2009, 10:03 AM
Waters has been leading all year.

Leading the team in penalties, you mean.

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 10:15 AM
I'm Jason Whitlock and Windows 7 was MY idea.

The Bad Guy
11-23-2009, 10:18 AM
Waters has been leading all year.

Haley has made positive strides. I write what I see and hear.

And I'm definitely not backpedaling. I like Haley. Want him to succeed. Glad he's taking a different approach. The guy is willing to evolve. Great sign.

You are such a joke.

Rewind the tape a week and you were all over both Pioli and Haley.

Mr. Laz
11-23-2009, 10:19 AM
so 3 days ago Haley was a worthless sack of crap and now "you can see progress long before ..."

what's sad is that whitlock probably actually thinks he influenced something.




raging racist douche





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Mr. Laz
11-23-2009, 10:20 AM
I'm Jason Whitlock and Windows 7 was MY idea.
nice


LMAO

Coogs
11-23-2009, 10:23 AM
Waters has been leading all year.

Haley has made positive strides. I write what I see and hear.

And I'm definitely not backpedaling. I like Haley. Want him to succeed. Glad he's taking a different approach. The guy is willing to evolve. Great sign.

JW. Are you going to the presser this afternoon? If so, give Haley a big :thumb: from the fans!

penchief
11-23-2009, 10:24 AM
And I'm definitely not backpedaling. I like Haley. Want him to succeed. Glad he's taking a different approach. The guy is willing to evolve. Great sign.

I think any first year coach is going to evolve. But I don't think that the character issues you took upon yourself to blow out of proportion were ever the issue you made them out to be. On that count I think you are writing that Haley is "changing" so that you don't have to admit you were reaching with personal attacks in your attempt to manufacture a false narrative about Haley and Pioli.

Now, you can just say that you're changing your tune because Haley is changing his. Realistically, if you were to carry on with your baseless personal attacks you would be exposed even more than you already are. Haley "changing" is your out when you have to drop the faux outrage. I credit you for having the foresight to see that coming.

wild1
11-23-2009, 10:25 AM
Whitlock: "I was very instrumental in the creation of the, uh, internet"

Chiefnj2
11-23-2009, 10:25 AM
Last week Whit wrote an article saying Haley was a Jamarcus pubic hair away from losing the team forever and this week Haley is a "great sign". I used to enjoy Whitlock, but this season he lost his burst as well as all credibility. Time for another reporter to step up.

jwhit
11-23-2009, 10:26 AM
also, the media did not give haley an ovation... the hunt family and friends attend the home press conferences. they cheered when haley walked in. haley deserved the ovation.

jwhit
11-23-2009, 10:29 AM
Last week Whit wrote an article saying Haley was a Jamarcus pubic hair away from losing the team forever and this week Haley is a "great sign". I used to enjoy Whitlock, but this season he lost his burst as well as all credibility. Time for another reporter to step up.

haley's problems in oakland (not kicking the field goal, f-bombing carthon) led to his new approach on sunday. he's been trying to control himself all year. the raiders game was a wake-up call. i'd bet either pioli or carthon or dick haley had an intervention with haley last week.

Coogs
11-23-2009, 10:30 AM
also, the media did not give haley an ovation... the hunt family and friends attend the home press conferences. they cheered when haley walked in. haley deserved the ovation.

Cool. Didn't know they went to the press conference, so I figured it was you guys who gave the ovation. I heard you complimented Haley. Nice touch. :thumb:

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 10:32 AM
haley's problems in oakland (not kicking the field goal, f-bombing carthon) led to his new approach on sunday. he's been trying to control himself all year. the raiders game was a wake-up call. i'd bet either pioli or carthon or dick haley had an intervention with haley last week.

sorry but i call bullshit on this, do you think the guy that was f-bombed could say much that would make a difference?

jwhit
11-23-2009, 10:39 AM
sorry but i call bullshit on this, do you think the guy that was f-bombed could say much that would make a difference?

Do you follow the team at all?

Haley said in his Oakland postgame news conference that he relies on Carthon to call b.s. and that Carthon is his most trusted/valuable assistant. They go way back. I'd imagine Carthon had a long talk with Haley about his abusive sideline behavior. Carthon is a grown man. He's not going to be clowned on national TV.

Fish
11-23-2009, 10:39 AM
sorry but i call bullshit on this, do you think the guy that was f-bombed could say much that would make a difference?

Yes. Haley has admitted on multiple occasions that he looks to Mo for a lot of advice. He's praised Mo's experience and leadership. They have a very close relationship, despite the obscenities. Definitely not BS.

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 10:40 AM
I think the team played better so it's easier to be less intense.

It's a lot less difficult for me to not yell at my kids when they're quietly coloring, or snuggling with me on the couch watching football, or playing nicely with each other. The next morning, they can be drawing on the refrigerator with markers or coloring on each other's faces, or smashing speak n spell's on one another and I'm back to the attempt to control my volume and word selection.


If the Chiefs play like crap or with iffy effort at Sandy-Eggo next week, we'll be able to lip read the Trucker's bible on TV.


That said, I know sometimes a person can realize they're doing something and work on improving those things.
I realized my kids were starting to yell at each other so I decided to try to curb my volume level so they wouldn't think
it was the appropriate response. Haley was coaching like shit, taking things too far on the sidelines like always had.....I hope he had a moment of Clarity, or Come to Jesus(Carthon) meeting and the switch flipped for him.

OnTheWarpath58
11-23-2009, 10:42 AM
I think the team played better so it's easier to be less intense.

I'd be inclined to agree with you, had the first half not been a complete abortion, save the KO return.

Haley was calm, cool and collected the entire game, not just when we were playing well.

CoMoChief
11-23-2009, 10:45 AM
They didn’t stumble into Arrowhead hung over from a night of being denied entrance into P&L nightclubs.

I don't know what Whitlock was trying to make with this comment.

Count Alex's Losses
11-23-2009, 10:45 AM
A joke. That failed.

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 10:46 AM
I was pretty frustrated with how many D players had hands on Rosterburger or had a bead on him and just whiffed allowing him to make a play. I was frustrated by the number of hits Cassel was taking and how many times Niswanger was pushed back into him and whiffed blocks.

There was plenty for him to be upset about.


I had made peace with the fact that I really thought Pit was going to put a clown suit on the Chiefs. It was a surprise.


This is the EXACT kind of game that usually causes me to use the Bad girlfriend analogy.

Usually, the Chiefs make me BELIEVE they've got a chance to win, and then give it back with 2 minutes and allow the TD drive to break my heart.

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 10:47 AM
They didn’t stumble into Arrowhead hung over from a night of being denied entrance into P&L nightclubs.

I don't know what Whitlock was trying to make with this comment.

He's saying that he thinks you're a door man at the P&L clubs.

jwhit
11-23-2009, 10:50 AM
I'd be inclined to agree with you, had the first half not been a complete abortion, save the KO return.

Haley was calm, cool and collected the entire game, not just when we were playing well.

Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown.

Mr. Plow
11-23-2009, 10:51 AM
They didn’t stumble into Arrowhead hung over from a night of being denied entrance into P&L nightclubs.

I don't know what Whitlock was trying to make with this comment.

Bringing racism &/or choice of clothing attire into the conversation of football.

CoMoChief
11-23-2009, 10:52 AM
He's saying that he thinks you're a door man at the P&L clubs.

Uh oh here we go......

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 10:54 AM
I'm not a Cassel pimp, and a couple of weeks ago, I was ready to see.....Croyle.....put into the game because I was tired of seeing inaccurate throws.

In fairness, he spent a fair amount of time in the first half digging turf out of his face mask and belt loops. He holds the ball too long and misses too many open WRs, however given the usual blocking I can understand why he's a little unsettled.

He did rebound well after that fumble and made some decent throws....not awesome, decent.

L.A. Chieffan
11-23-2009, 10:54 AM
Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown.

I enjoy the temper tantrums and F-Bombs as much as any red-blooded American, but if Haley can keep it under control then I think this team will respond. Good article J, and btw dont even bother arguing with jasonauto, the dude is like one step from licking windows...

Mr. Plow
11-23-2009, 10:57 AM
the dude is like one step from licking windows...


ROFL

I'm going to use that today.

CoMoChief
11-23-2009, 10:58 AM
Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown.

You need to take a look at the "Haley Goes Off - A history" thread.

Of course it's nothing you probably haven't already seen. I just think it's borderline comical.

I think players need an ass chewing every so often whether it be in practice or on game day. Haley does it more than others obviously. Somewhere there has to be a medium. Being a hardass coach is one thing, but if that coach can recognize when a player works his ass off and plays well, it can pay huge dividends. Having that said there are players that can't take that kind of critizism.

I just think it will take Cassel a year to get in time with his WR's learn the offense, and everything to get in sync. Look at Trent Green with his first season here. He was TrINT Green. Give Cassel an Oline and another offseason and we could be competitive next season. Rolling on the win high wave right now, but if this team can beat the Super Bowl Champs, we can beat a number of teams as well. And as the season goes on I see this team getting better.

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 10:59 AM
When he yells all of the time, it loses its effect because people become numb to it. If he would hold it back a little bit for when it's really needed, he'd get more effect.

If Haley acts like Sam Kinison, players will eventually get tired of the joke.


AAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAH!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

dirk digler
11-23-2009, 11:01 AM
Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown.

Agreed. jwhit since you sit up in the press box and can see the whole field are the WR's getting open? I am curious if that is one of the reasons why Cassel hangs on the ball for so long.

Warrior5
11-23-2009, 11:02 AM
Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown. But then he pulled all of the articles I had written about him out of his pocket, re-read them on the sidelines, and had an epiphany. "That Jason Whitlock not only knows his football, he also knows me! Son-of-a, uh... gosh darnit, I'm gonna keep my cool, not drop any F-bombs, smile at the guys, and pat 'em on the ass. I'm turning over a new leaf, and we're gonna win this one for Whitlock!

FYP.

stevieray
11-23-2009, 11:04 AM
I think yesterdays game was a critical point of this season, and Haley's chances of survival as a Head Coach.

...another blowout at home(sitting @ 0-4) could've really been the nail in the coffin...as far as feeling that it was just the same ol same ol at One Arrowhead Drive...meaning that another round of STH dropping tickets with a completed stadium looming over the 2010 season...more apathy..less interest.

Haley came out strong, almost too strong, understandable, like achild learning to walk..the first steps aren't too pretty, but you strart to get momentum and learn. Personally, i think the team needed an intervention with a loud voice of accountability permeating through the ranks...I've likened it to give and take..he's obviously very passionate and his prasie comes as intensley as the call outs, he'll be fine. i thnk the meltdown with carthon might've opened his eyers. or someone made him see that he was going overboard, and in risk of losing it all. he knows this is his only chance.

What impresses me is he has backed up a lot of what he said..they woul;d purge the slackers, and find the right people for to acheive the goal. The roster has been fluid since day one..new fullback anyone? Players like Alleman, Studebaker, Long stepping up from out of nowhere. Chambers fitting in nicely?...and beat Pittsburg without Bowe and LJ?

...huge mental gain for the team down the road...the last quarter of the season will guage where 2010 is headed...sans first draft with own scouts.

Coogs
11-23-2009, 11:06 AM
I think yesterdays game was a critical point of this season, and Haley's chances of survival as a Head Coach.

...another blowout at home(sitting @ 0-4) could've really been the nail in the coffin...as far as feeling that it was just the same ol same ol at One Arrowhead Drive...meaning that another round of STH dropping tickets with a completed stadium looming over the 2010 season...more apathy..less interest.

Haley came out strong, almost too strong, understandable, like achild learning to walk..the first steps aren't too pretty, but you strart to get momentum and learn. Personally, i think the team needed an intervention with a loud voice of accountability permeating through the ranks...I've likened it to give and take..he's obviously very passionate and his prasie comes as intensley as the call outs, he'll be fine. i thnk the meltdown with carthon might've opened his eyers. or someone made him see that he was going overboard, and in risk of losing it all. he knows this is his only chance.

What impresses me is he has backed up a lot of what he said..they woul;d purge the slackers, and find the right people for to acheive the goal. The roster has been fluid since day one..new fullback anyone? Players like Alleman, Studebaker, Long stepping up from out of nowhere. Chambers fitting in nicely?...and beat Pittsburg without Bowe and LJ?

...huge mental gain for the team down the road...the last quarter of the season will guage where 2010 is headed...sans first draft with own scouts.

Nice take!

ChiefsCountry
11-23-2009, 11:07 AM
Agreed. jwhit since you sit up in the press box and can see the whole field are the WR's getting open? I am curious if that is one of the reasons why Cassel hangs on the ball for so long.

I have upper deck seats that have a great view, the receivers are open by NFL standards. Cassel is just too cautious or doesn't trust his arm.

OnTheWarpath58
11-23-2009, 11:08 AM
I think yesterdays game was a critical point of this season, and Haley's chances of survival as a Head Coach.

...another blowout at home(sitting @ 0-4) could've really been the nail in the coffin...as far as feeling that it was just the same ol same ol at One Arrowhead Drive...meaning that another round of STH dropping tickets with a completed stadium looming over the 2010 season...more apathy..less interest.

Haley came out strong, almost too strong, understandable, like achild learning to walk..the first steps aren't too pretty, but you strart to get momentum and learn. Personally, i think the team needed an intervention with a loud voice of accountability permeating through the ranks...I've likened it to give and take..he's obviously very passionate and his prasie comes as intensley as the call outs, he'll be fine. i thnk the meltdown with carthon might've opened his eyers. or someone made him see that he was going overboard, and in risk of losing it all. he knows this is his only chance.

What impresses me is he has backed up a lot of what he said..they woul;d purge the slackers, and find the right people for to acheive the goal. The roster has been fluid since day one..new fullback anyone? Players like Alleman, Studebaker, Long stepping up from out of nowhere. Chambers fitting in nicely?...and beat Pittsburg without Bowe and LJ?

...huge mental gain for the team down the road...the last quarter of the season will guage where 2010 is headed...sans first draft with own scouts.

I agree with it all, especially the bolded part.

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 11:09 AM
Good analogy FDE....

I know as a fan, watching this season has been a lot like watching a child learn to walk. They've crapped their pants the first half of the season and they're often teetering near the corner of the coffee table, waiting for them to fall and break their head open.



I'd wager part of the issue with Cassel is that he's been told NO turnovers, and he's too cautious to prevent INTs.

OnTheWarpath58
11-23-2009, 11:09 AM
I have upper deck seats that have a great view, the receivers are open by NFL standards. Cassel is just too cautious or doesn't trust his arm.

It's been said several times by several different people, but he needs to adjust his definition of "open."

These guys aren't going to be running free like Moss and Welker were. Most WR's aren't.

If a WR has even half-a-step on an NFL DB, he's open. Get him the ball.

dirk digler
11-23-2009, 11:10 AM
I have upper deck seats that have a great view, the receivers are open by NFL standards. Cassel is just too cautious or doesn't trust his arm.

Thanks. Are they running deeper routes or in your mind what is the average route?

dirk digler
11-23-2009, 11:11 AM
I'd wager part of the issue with Cassel is that he's been told NO turnovers, and he's too cautious to prevent INTs.

I guarantee you that is part of it.

Sully
11-23-2009, 11:16 AM
Waters has been leading all year.

Haley has made positive strides. I write what I see and hear.

And I'm definitely not backpedaling. I like Haley. Want him to succeed. Glad he's taking a different approach. The guy is willing to evolve. Great sign.

As I said, it's the first I've seen. Obviously I'm not at practice or in the room, but all we fans see is your columns about him whining and him moping into the huddle.
Prior to this year I thought he was a leader, but a local columnist convinced me he was a malcontent. The actions i've seen from him (prior to the Pitt game) led me to believe that was true. Maybe it's the columnist's fault for using him as a wedge issue in a personal vendetta against a team that doesn't coddle him as much as the previous one did. How would I know? I'm just a lowly reader and viewer...

ChiefsCountry
11-23-2009, 11:19 AM
Thanks. Are they running deeper routes or in your mind what is the average route?

Pretty much average routes. They aren't running wide wide open but open enough to fling it in.

stevieray
11-23-2009, 11:21 AM
I agree with it all, especially the bolded part.

ya, I hope they put it to bed with the team. He can't be yelling at his coaches in front of the players...supposedly they are close, so they'll tend to push the envelope with each other...

jwhit
11-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Agreed. jwhit since you sit up in the press box and can see the whole field are the WR's getting open? I am curious if that is one of the reasons why Cassel hangs on the ball for so long.

To me, Cassel takes notice of the pass rush too often. Pocket presence is a gift. Not sure it can be taught or learned. Big Ben has it. Coming into Sunday's game Big Ben had been sacked 27 times, Cassel 29 times. If you noticed, Big Ben is great at avoiding the rush. You could argue that Big Ben has been under more heat than Cassel this year.

stevieray
11-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Good analogy FDE....

I know as a fan, watching this season has been a lot like watching a child learn to walk. They've crapped their pants the first half of the season and they're often teetering near the corner of the coffee table, waiting for them to fall and break their head open.



I'd wager part of the issue with Cassel is that he's been told NO turnovers, and he's too cautious to prevent INTs.

if you go out and buy a Porsche 911, are you going to trash it the first year, or are you going take care of it so it lasts?

PunkinDrublic
11-23-2009, 11:39 AM
Rookie head coaches aren't that much different from first year players IMO. Haley was going to make his share of rookie mistakes and if he had to do it all again he would do some things differently. Every coach has an ego that's part of what got them where they are. Can you really blame a guy like Haley for coming in and trying to do everything his way? Guys like Haley have been chomping at the bit their whole lives to get this opportunity.

I never doubted a second that Haley was capable of learning, adjusting and becoming a better coach. I think yesterday a big light bulb went off and now the players may be buying in.

dirk digler
11-23-2009, 11:42 AM
To me, Cassel takes notice of the pass rush too often. Pocket presence is a gift. Not sure it can be taught or learned. Big Ben has it. Coming into Sunday's game Big Ben had been sacked 27 times, Cassel 29 times. If you noticed, Big Ben is great at avoiding the rush. You could argue that Big Ben has been under more heat than Cassel this year.

I don't have a problem with that but I think Cassel is just like the other QB's we have had since our O-Line has went to shit where they look at the rush instead of downfield. I just hope he doesn't end up like David Carr.

Brock
11-23-2009, 11:46 AM
To me, Cassel takes notice of the pass rush too often. Pocket presence is a gift. Not sure it can be taught or learned. Big Ben has it. Coming into Sunday's game Big Ben had been sacked 27 times, Cassel 29 times. If you noticed, Big Ben is great at avoiding the rush. You could argue that Big Ben has been under more heat than Cassel this year.

If Big Ben has great pocket presence and is great at avoiding the rush, then why has he been sacked 27 times? His big advantage is that he's a giant that you have to bring down with 3 people.

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 11:46 AM
I enjoy the temper tantrums and F-Bombs as much as any red-blooded American, but if Haley can keep it under control then I think this team will respond. Good article J, and btw dont even bother arguing with jasonauto, the dude is like one step from licking windows...

ROFL:rolleyes:ok how can you take anything this guy writes seriously? i mean he said in THIS article that this game might have saved cassel's CAREER IN KC. does anyone actually think this year means anything when it comes to his career here?

Iowanian
11-23-2009, 11:46 AM
To me, Cassel takes notice of the pass rush too often. Pocket presence is a gift. Not sure it can be taught or learned. Big Ben has it. Coming into Sunday's game Big Ben had been sacked 27 times, Cassel 29 times. If you noticed, Big Ben is great at avoiding the rush. You could argue that Big Ben has been under more heat than Cassel this year.

On the flip side, one could argue that Benlisburger has 3 solid RBs, a good TE and 2 excellent WRs that he's had a few years to work with and develop timing and trust.


Cassel has been throwing to 22 guys off the street.

Fish
11-23-2009, 11:55 AM
ROFL:rolleyes:ok how can you take anything this guy writes seriously? i mean he said in THIS article that this game might have saved cassel's CAREER IN KC. does anyone actually think this year means anything when it comes to his career here?

Why wouldn't it? Unless you think that signing a large contract grants a 1 year free pass.

Did you think that since Cassel signed a long expensive contract, they had no expectations for him for the first year of that contract? :shake:

There isn't a lot of patience in the pros these days. Contracts rarely make it into the later years. If Cassel doesn't show improvement over the first year, that contract is gonna be flushed down the toilet. I'd argue that he's under more pressure to perform than just about anybody else on the team.

Chocolate Hog
11-23-2009, 11:56 AM
haley's problems in oakland (not kicking the field goal, f-bombing carthon) led to his new approach on sunday. he's been trying to control himself all year. the raiders game was a wake-up call. i'd bet either pioli or carthon or dick haley had an intervention with haley last week.

Are you fatter than Mangino?

RedThat
11-23-2009, 11:58 AM
I'm not a Cassel pimp, and a couple of weeks ago, I was ready to see.....Croyle.....put into the game because I was tired of seeing inaccurate throws.

In fairness, he spent a fair amount of time in the first half digging turf out of his face mask and belt loops. He holds the ball too long and misses too many open WRs, however given the usual blocking I can understand why he's a little unsettled.

He did rebound well after that fumble and made some decent throws....not awesome, decent.

This is one of the things I really like about him. His ability to respond to adversity. It shows good character on his part.

Chocolate Hog
11-23-2009, 12:00 PM
It's also been stated Cassel is money in the 4th Qtr. Some also say its garbage time.

PunkinDrublic
11-23-2009, 12:00 PM
I don't have a problem with that but I think Cassel is just like the other QB's we have had since our O-Line has went to shit where they look at the rush instead of downfield. I just hope he doesn't end up like David Carr.

I think the WR carousel, dropped passes and sacks were starting to rattle Cassels confidence. I think he's slowly starting to get it back with the emergence of Chambers. Roethlesberger is an elite QB and one tough SOB with a presence in the pocket few can match. On top of his pocket presence Big Ben has dependable wide recievers he is in synch with most of the time.

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 12:03 PM
Why wouldn't it? Unless you think that signing a large contract grants a 1 year free pass.

Did you think that since Cassel signed a long expensive contract, they had no expectations for him for the first year of that contract? :shake:

There isn't a lot of patience in the pros these days. Contracts rarely make it into the later years. If Cassel doesn't show improvement over the first year, that contract is gonna be flushed down the toilet. I'd argue that he's under more pressure to perform than just about anybody else on the team.

IMO they wanted to use this year to get him used to the system. NEXT year will be the make or break year.

Jilly
11-23-2009, 12:04 PM
I think the WR carousel, dropped passes and sacks were starting to rattle Cassels confidence. I think he's slowly starting to get it back with the emergence of Chambers. Roethlesberger is an elite QB and one tough SOB with a presence in the pocket few can match. On top of his pocket presence Big Ben has dependable wide recievers he is in synch with most of the time.

Don't know why it didn't dawn on me, but I watched Cassel yesterday and kept wondering why he played so decently for NE. I was reminded of whom he was throwing to in NE. Makes a lot of difference.

Fish
11-23-2009, 12:07 PM
IMO they wanted to use this year to get him used to the system. NEXT year will be the make or break year.

It doesn't work like that in the NFL. Nobody gets a throw away year with no consequences. Cassel is not being told that what he does won't matter until next season. That's illogical and absurd. Think about what you're saying.

Count Alex's Losses
11-23-2009, 12:10 PM
Whitlock is knee deep in a Gates platter right now.

Reerun_KC
11-23-2009, 12:11 PM
Whitlock is knee deep in a Gates platter right now.

Or balls deep on Herm getting his nose tickled by the short and curlies...

ChiefsCountry
11-23-2009, 12:34 PM
I don't have a problem with that but I think Cassel is just like the other QB's we have had since our O-Line has went to shit where they look at the rush instead of downfield. I just hope he doesn't end up like David Carr.

But he had the same problem in New England.

Raised On Riots
11-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Double this. He never once gave Haley any kind of credit until they won yesterday.

You are such a joke.

Rewind the tape a week and you were all over both Pioli and Haley.

With all due respect:

"Not For Long". "What can you do for me TODAY"?

This IS the NFL, and that IS how it works.

Why wouldn't it? Unless you think that signing a large contract grants a 1 year free pass.

Did you think that since Cassel signed a long expensive contract, they had no expectations for him for the first year of that contract? :shake:

There isn't a lot of patience in the pros these days. Contracts rarely make it into the later years. If Cassel doesn't show improvement over the first year, that contract is gonna be flushed down the toilet. I'd argue that he's under more pressure to perform than just about anybody else on the team.

And Fish drives it home FTW.

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 03:18 PM
It doesn't work like that in the NFL. Nobody gets a throw away year with no consequences. Cassel is not being told that what he does won't matter until next season. That's illogical and absurd. Think about what you're saying.

i'm not saying that they have TOLD him that, never have. but IMO there was NEVER NEVER NEVER ANY CHANCE HE WOULD BE GONE AFTER THIS YEAR, never any chance. his contract is set up where we could go in another direction after NEXT SEASON. if there was a chance for him to go after this year they wouldnt have given him the contract. they would have played him on the franchise and decide AFTER the season. He'll get two years NO MATTER WHAT IMO

kaplin42
11-23-2009, 03:30 PM
When it mattered most he wasn't on the field.



The Steelers beat themselves, KC didn't win.

Bullshit!

The redskins beat themselves, the raiders beat themselves, hell the cowboys tried to but we just wouldn't have it. The steelers tried to win, they were putting it to the chiefs big time, just look at the stats and you can see that. The chiefs won this one proper, and not only that they won a game against a real team, not another team full of fail.

Just cause your team is being showed for the what it actually is (Kyle Orton a great QB, fucking please) doen't mean you have to shit on a legitamate win by our team.

Fish
11-23-2009, 04:46 PM
i'm not saying that they have TOLD him that, never have. but IMO there was NEVER NEVER NEVER ANY CHANCE HE WOULD BE GONE AFTER THIS YEAR, never any chance. his contract is set up where we could go in another direction after NEXT SEASON. if there was a chance for him to go after this year they wouldnt have given him the contract. they would have played him on the franchise and decide AFTER the season. He'll get two years NO MATTER WHAT IMO

Umm.... WTF are you talking about regarding his contract? "Set up where we could go in another direction after next season."? What does that even mean? I get the feeling you are completely talking out your ass here. Cassel's contract pays the most over the first 3 years.

What are you talking about? Please tell me how his contract was set up to favor the second year? I'm quite curious to hear this. Please explain the inner workings of Cassel's contract for me...

And if the Chiefs would have franchised him, they would have had to pay him even more than they did this year with the contract he signed.

Rausch
11-23-2009, 04:48 PM
If Big Ben has great pocket presence and is great at avoiding the rush, then why has he been sacked 27 times? His big advantage is that he's a giant that you have to bring down with 3 people.

His line is also not good this year.

And yes, he is holding onto the ball too long...

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 05:14 PM
Umm.... WTF are you talking about regarding his contract? "Set up where we could go in another direction after next season."? What does that even mean? I get the feeling you are completely talking out your ass here. Cassel's contract pays the most over the first 3 years.

What are you talking about? Please tell me how his contract was set up to favor the second year? I'm quite curious to hear this. Please explain the inner workings of Cassel's contract for me...

And if the Chiefs would have franchised him, they would have had to pay him even more than they did this year with the contract he signed.

ROFL give me a couple of minutes

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 05:16 PM
Umm.... WTF are you talking about regarding his contract? "Set up where we could go in another direction after next season."? What does that even mean? I get the feeling you are completely talking out your ass here. Cassel's contract pays the most over the first 3 years.

What are you talking about? Please tell me how his contract was set up to favor the second year? I'm quite curious to hear this. Please explain the inner workings of Cassel's contract for me...

And if the Chiefs would have franchised him, they would have had to pay him even more than they did this year with the contract he signed.

How so?

If LaConfora is right and Cassel's making $15M this year, we can take the $5M base salary AP says he's making and add $10M in bonus money to it.

AP says he's making $11.25M in bonuses his first two years, so that leaves $1.25M leftover in bonuses for 2010. And they say he's making $11.75M in base next year. That's $13M in total.

$15M in year one and $13M in year two is $28M.

The only thing I can see that doesn't add up is that LaCanfora says Cassel would make $40.5M in the first three years, which would be $12.5M in year three. AP's figures say he's making a base salary of $4.75M, which would mean a bonus of $7.75M. But they only list his year-three bonus as $7.5M, which ends up being 250K short. That could just be a typo or something, though.



That's fine, but whether or not they cut him, we should at least acknowledge that his contract does indeed appear to be structured where he CAN be cut after two years. In fact, it's slightly cheaper having him under this deal than it would have been to keep him on a yearly basis for two years.

As I've said since the deal was announced, unless someone actually thinks they would have traded a 2nd round pick and gotten rid of Cassel after one season, I don't know how anyone can complain about the contract they signed him to.

here you go, i had this exact same argument with OTWP and bigrock said it better than i could

swayy07
11-23-2009, 05:17 PM
Whitlock is knee deep in a Gates platter right now.

ROFL awsome

Fish
11-23-2009, 05:26 PM
here you go, i had this exact same argument with OTWP and bigrock said it better than i could

And?

That's just a bunch of conjecture. If this... if that....

That doesn't answer a thing. And still doesn't prove that the contract was setup with a freebie first year.

How about something better than "If this report is right.................." ?

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 05:31 PM
And?

That's just a bunch of conjecture. If this... if that....

That doesn't answer a thing. And still doesn't prove that the contract was setup with a freebie first year.

How about something better than "If this report is right.................." ?

ROFL wow what else would you want? that came from arrowhead pride AND jason la canfora BOTH. like i said IMO the contract was set up so that if it didnt work out we can go in a different direction after NEXT year. isnt that what you took offense to? i said that next year is his make or break year. whitlock said that yesterday saved his career here. you act like he could be gone after this season. that not right. also his 3rd year is mostly bonuses. we pay most of the guarantees in the forst 2 years.

Von Dumbass
11-23-2009, 05:33 PM
Bullshit!

The redskins beat themselves, the raiders beat themselves, hell the cowboys tried to but we just wouldn't have it. The steelers tried to win, they were putting it to the chiefs big time, just look at the stats and you can see that. The chiefs won this one proper, and not only that they won a game against a real team, not another team full of fail.

Just cause your team is being showed for the what it actually is (Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton a great QB, ****ing please) doen't mean you have to shit on a legitamate win by our team.

The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.

The Bad Guy
11-23-2009, 05:37 PM
The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.

You had a ****ing batted ball pop right into Stokley's hands.

You got 2 lucky returns from Eddie Royal to beat the Chargers.

The Broncos have benefitted from luck more than ANY team in the NFL this year.

Mike Wallace's fumble was CAUSED BY THE ****ING DEFENSIVE PLAYER HITTING THE BALL OUT. That is a FORCED error by the Chiefs.

You are such a ****ing loser. Shocker that you had a college scholarship and you turned it down.

**** you, and your sinking Denver ship. Please come back here when McKid gets clowned by Todd Haley.

Short Leash Hootie
11-23-2009, 05:42 PM
Are you fatter than Mangino?

you calling someone fat?

That's rich.

Fish
11-23-2009, 05:43 PM
ROFL wow what else would you want? that came from arrowhead pride AND jason la canfora BOTH. like i said IMO the contract was set up so that if it didnt work out we can go in a different direction after NEXT year. isnt that what you took offense to? i said that next year is his make or break year. whitlock said that yesterday saved his career here. you act like he could be gone after this season. that not right. also his 3rd year is mostly bonuses. we pay most of the guarantees in the forst 2 years.

How about some facts other than "This guys said that if this guy is right, it must add up that this is what he's making. Nevermind it's a diffferent value here, that's probably a typo."

That's not proof in the slightest. And I'm not seeing why the numbers you posted would support your claim anyway. Even if those numbers are right, I don't see how that proves a guaranteed second year?

He could be gone next year if he doesn't continue to improve on the field. Nothing about that contract says otherwise. Nothing the coach has said indicates otherwise.

PunkinDrublic
11-23-2009, 05:45 PM
The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.

I know you're bitter because slowly but surely your team and your coach are being exposed as frauds but please shut the fuck up little boy. You're lack of football knowledge is glaringly obvious and you should come back and talk with the grown ups when you've learned about football.

Short Leash Hootie
11-23-2009, 05:45 PM
The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.

not to mention leaving Leonard Pope wide open, not covering Charles on that TD shovel pass, not covering Chambers on that deep pass...not covering Chambers in OT...not scoring in OT...not scoring with plenty of time at the end of regulation...Big Ben taking sacks in regulation...Big Ben not completing 100% of his passes...Mendenhall not averaging 8 YPC...not sacking Cassel on every snap...not winning by 50+...

Pittsburgh just did nothing right and really bailed us out...what were they thinking?

Otter
11-23-2009, 05:46 PM
Wow, Whitlock took the high road. That's different.

Haley is going to be a hell of a head coach. I'm happy we have him.

Short Leash Hootie
11-23-2009, 05:49 PM
he's improving...still don't know what the hell was going on at the end of the first half...

Coogs
11-23-2009, 05:51 PM
The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.

There are a few Bronco fans who come over here that have class. When you guys were 6-0 they were excited for their team... and rightfully so... but not gloating over that fact. Most of us here tipped our cap to those few.

I'll stop there.

Coogs
11-23-2009, 05:52 PM
he's improving...still don't know what the hell was going on at the end of the first half...

I believe he said he didn't really have faith in Cassel at that moment, and if he was going to error, he was going to error on the side of be conservative.

JASONSAUTO
11-23-2009, 05:52 PM
How about some facts other than "This guys said that if this guy is right, it must add up that this is what he's making. Nevermind it's a diffferent value here, that's probably a typo."

That's not proof in the slightest. And I'm not seeing why the numbers you posted would support your claim anyway. Even if those numbers are right, I don't see how that proves a guaranteed second year?

He could be gone next year if he doesn't continue to improve on the field. Nothing about that contract says otherwise. Nothing the coach has said indicates otherwise.

where would you like for me to get those facts? everything published was in that quote. Do you HONESTLY think they would trade a 2nd round pick and then guarantee the guy 28 million dollars then cut him after ONE season especially considering the abortion of an offensive line we have marched out there this season? HONESTLY. Think about what you are saying here. we would have guaranteed him 28 million to franchise him for 2 years. right? common sense would say that is how long this will last if he plays worse NEXT YEAR.

Short Leash Hootie
11-23-2009, 05:56 PM
They were never going to cut Cassel...

But if he was totally, completely abysmal this season...

They surely would have brought in competition...

Sanchez makes a lot of money and I bet people in New York aren't too happy right now...no doubt in my mind he can be a great QB but that's a pretty tough place to play when you lose your confidence.

Chocolate Hog
11-23-2009, 06:23 PM
you calling someone fat?

That's rich.

Do you even know me? You are such a moron.

Short Leash Hootie
11-23-2009, 06:28 PM
Do you even know me? You are such a moron.

well...

Call me crazy but I assume your avatar is you, no?

WildTurkey
11-23-2009, 06:30 PM
I know you're bitter because slowly but surely your team and your coach are being exposed as frauds but please shut the **** up little boy. You're lack of football knowledge is glaringly obvious and you should come back and talk with the grown ups when you've learned about football.

Post of the year..... rep :clap:

Mr. Laz
11-23-2009, 06:59 PM
I'd imagine ....

This is the only part that's true ... everything is based on your imagination.

CaliforniaChief
11-23-2009, 07:38 PM
The Chiefs are classless because of that gimmick option play they ran to get a first down. Real teams don't run plays like that./KnowNothing

Fruit Ninja
11-23-2009, 07:40 PM
wtf is knowwhatever talking about. the fumble was because of a good play. The chiefs made the play. The 2 interceptions were tipped. Ben didnt throw it right at the Chiefs player.

He also forgot that Cassel fumbled as well. I guess we gave them a gift as well huh?

Did the fucking guy watch the game at least?

Fruit Ninja
11-23-2009, 07:50 PM
I enjoy the temper tantrums and F-Bombs as much as any red-blooded American, but if Haley can keep it under control then I think this team will respond. Good article J, and btw dont even bother arguing with jasonauto, the dude is like one step from licking windows...

lol, rep for the licking windows comment.

Raised On Riots
11-23-2009, 09:12 PM
T

Sanchez makes a lot of money and I bet people in New York aren't too happy right now...no doubt in my mind he can be a great QB but that's a pretty tough place to play when you lose your confidence.

If you must know, they're universally pissed at Kurt Schottenheimer.

And can you blame them?

"Schottenheimer": the brand name for mediocre suck in the NFL.

Short Leash Hootie
11-23-2009, 09:15 PM
yeah...I bet they are just thrilled with Mark Sanchez...

I thought he had the "it" factor, too...and he might still have it...

But man...I'm starting to think his confidence is going to shatter and he's going to be DONEZO.

We'll see...the fact he has all world talent around him makes me worry for his future.

OnTheWarpath58
11-23-2009, 09:18 PM
yeah...I bet they are just thrilled with Mark Sanchez...

I thought he had the "it" factor, too...and he might still have it...

But man...I'm starting to think his confidence is going to shatter and he's going to be DONEZO.

We'll see...the fact he has all world talent around him makes me worry for his future.

Not to start a pissing match about this, because I really don't care, but...

Who is this "all-world" talent you're speaking of?

If I were a young QB, I'd much rather throw to Calvin Johnson, Bryant Johnson and Brandon Pettigrew over Braylon Edwards, Jerrico Cotchery and Dustin Keller.

Raised On Riots
11-23-2009, 09:32 PM
yeah...I bet they are just thrilled with Mark Sanchez...

I thought he had the "it" factor, too...and he might still have it...

But man...I'm starting to think his confidence is going to shatter and he's going to be DONEZO.

We'll see...the fact he has all world talent around him makes me worry for his future.

Okay, let's try this again:

They ARE thrilled with Mark Sanchez; they know he's capable of winning.

They are NOT thrilled with the O-Coord.

Any other questions?

Mosbonian
11-23-2009, 09:46 PM
haley's problems in oakland (not kicking the field goal, f-bombing carthon) led to his new approach on sunday. he's been trying to control himself all year. the raiders game was a wake-up call. i'd bet either pioli or carthon or dick haley had an intervention with haley last week.

So....when you first got into Journalism you were perfect in how you approached writing your articles? No one came to you and told you that they were boring or disinteresting? Or that they didn't really appeal to anyone?

I'm willing to give Haley the benefit of the doubt in developing his approach to being a Head Coach. Will he make mistakes...undoubtedly! Will he sometimes look like a rookie Head Coach and other times like "he's getting a clue"?

There's a whole world of difference in being a successful Offensive/Defensive Coordinator and being a successful Head Coach...and it's telling in the number of guys who have tried and failed.

Your articles over the last few weeks left little doubt where you stood with your misplaced anger. Trying to do an "about-face" with one article seems a little disingenuous.

mmaddog
*******

DaneMcCloud
11-23-2009, 09:58 PM
Okay, let's try this again:

They ARE thrilled with Mark Sanchez; they know he's capable of winning.

They are NOT thrilled with the O-Coord.

Any other questions?

They're not happy with Schottenheimer?

Wow, good thing they didn't hire him as the head coach.

Pablo
11-24-2009, 06:13 AM
If I were a young QB, I'd much rather throw to Calvin Johnson, Bryant Johnson and Brandon Pettigrew over Braylon Edwards, Jerrico Cotchery and Dustin Keller.Any QB would, but to suggest the corps Sanchez is throwing to is anything less than an above-average line-up would be dishonest. Not to mention he has a pretty decent line and a respectable run game, and what looked to be a solid defense on the other side of the ball.

Short Leash Hootie
11-24-2009, 06:54 AM
great line, great running game, good enough receivers...

the problem is a young, inexperienced QB that is in over his head right now...

but I guess blaming it on the offensive coordinator is a good cop out for ROR, pseudo Jets fan LMAO

JASONSAUTO
11-24-2009, 07:53 AM
Okay, let's try this again:

They ARE thrilled with Mark Sanchez; they know he's capable of winning.

They are NOT thrilled with the O-Coord.

Any other questions?

did coordinator make him throw 4 more ints and lose a fumble last week?

Chiefnj2
11-24-2009, 08:31 AM
The New York Post ripping on the OC. Oh no, wait, they rip on Sanchez:

The Jets have gone from clinging to playoff hopes to leaving you to wonder how many games they'll lose in this rookie year for Ryan and Mark Sanchez -- who was horrendous, throwing four INTs, all of them head-scratchers, and three of them to cornerback Leigh Bodden.

"I didn't know today was December 25th; I mean three fair catches," Patriots linebacker Adalius Thomas crowed afterward about the three Sanchez gifts left under Bodden's tree.

The turnover-prone Sanchez (16 INTs, nine fumbles and three lost this season) completed as many passes to his own receivers (two) as he did to Bodden in the first half.

His first pick was a telegraphed pass into traffic in the direction of Jerricho Cotchery, but it landed right in the waiting arms of Bodden, who returned it 53 yards for a 7-0 New England lead with 5:47 remaining in the first quarter.

On Sanchez's second INT, he led Braylon Edwards too far, and it again was picked off by Bodden. The Patriots turned that INT into a 26-yard Stephen Gostkowski field goal and a 24-0 lead with 4:14 remaining in the first half.

Sanchez, who's now thrown three or more in a game three times, finished the first half 2-of-9 for 15 yards, the two INTs and a 0.0 passer rating.

In between the first-half Sanchez picks, Patriots QB Tom Brady (28-41, 310 yards, 1 TD) connected with Randy Moss on a four-yard scoring pass, and Laurence Maroney scored on a two-yard run.

When the Jets actually climbed back into the game with a blocked punt for a TD and a Sanchez TD pass to Cotchery, Sanchez gave it right back with two crushing INTs in the second half, the last of which led to the Patriots' final TD.

This was way too easy for 7-3 New England. NFL games are not supposed to be this easy to win.

The lifeless Jets looked like a beaten team long before halftime.

Now they're a foundering team with virtually no hope of making the playoffs and wondering when -- if? -- they'll win another game.

"We're a desperate football team now," linebacker Bart Scott said.

The Jets should have played like one yesterday -- then maybe their plight and mood would be a lot different today.

Short Leash Hootie
11-24-2009, 08:35 AM
Notice how ROR has been so quiet lately?

You know...with Cassel clearly outplaying Sanchez this year...and Cassel has been mediocre.

Now...I didn't expect Sanchez to be great...he is a rookie...but lets be honest...Sanchez has every bit as much talent as Flacco had last year (if not more) and Ryan had last year...

So I think we got pretty good value out of our 2nd round pick...especially if Cassel and the Chiefs can build on this last game and keep improving...they might have a little swagger heading into San Diego this weekend...

I don't expect a win...but perhaps a competitive game? We'll see...

Short Leash Hootie
11-24-2009, 08:37 AM
It's just hilarious how a message board can turn a supposed Chiefs fan (ROR) into a Jets fan JUST so he/she (not sure what ROR's gender is) can be right and tell everyone how dumb the Chiefs are for choosing Cassel over Sanchez...

It's just hilarious that he's deflecting the fail of making Sanchez start when he's so raw on the offensive coordinator over there...

Yikes dude, yikes.

Raised On Riots
11-24-2009, 11:24 AM
No, you see I gotta' be the guy that takes all of Mecca and Hamas' lumps when they disappear because I'm not afraid to man up, come in to your little fucking romper room, and put my foot to your ass.

The day I believe ANYTHING related to football coming from Hootie, SAUTO, or Buster's Pussy, is the day I become a Soccer fan.

Which will NEVER happen.

Keep on thinking that one game gives you license to pound your chest like a retarded fucking gorilla; it just makes what's coming all the sweeter.

Iowanian
11-24-2009, 11:25 AM
Hurry up and post about zone coverage Pootie.

Brock
11-24-2009, 11:26 AM
Keep on thinking that one game gives you license to pound your chest like a retarded fucking gorilla; it just makes what's coming all the sweeter.

What's coming? There's a pretty good chance that Sanchez will be just another Jets washout. You have more invested in this than anyone else, for some weird reason.

Mr. Plow
11-24-2009, 11:34 AM
Notice how ROR has been so quiet lately?

Ignore feature is wonderful, you should try it.

COchief
11-24-2009, 11:44 AM
I don't think it's a coincidence that Haley had his best coaching effort and breakthrough game while his father was in town.

And before you jump to conclusions, I'm talking about his actual mother and father.

Many people perform at their highest level in front of their parents and Haley appears to be no exception.

I know this is four pages late, but this is just flat out ridiculous. Haley is a 40+ grown man, I highly doubt he pissed his pants because daddy was watching, plus I am pretty sure his dad watches on tv every week. He isn't five years old you know?

The Bad Guy
11-24-2009, 12:20 PM
Okay, let's try this again:

They ARE thrilled with Mark Sanchez; they know he's capable of winning.

They are NOT thrilled with the O-Coord.

Any other questions?

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

I have several Jet fan friends, and they are all not thrilled with Sanchez. He really has tools to work with and he keeps regressing each week.
When you have a great run game like the Jets, he should be much better than he is despite being a rookie.

I was a huge Sanchez fan, but NY could be the worst place on earth for him. Mike Francesa is all over him. The NY media is all over him. His honeymoon period is over.

4 and 5 interception games just aren't acceptable even for a rookie.

I have serious doubts about him surviving in NY. The worst thing that happened to him was the early success because the Jets fans and media raised their expectations. Now, he is facing an uphill climb every week.

The Bad Guy
11-24-2009, 12:22 PM
Keep on thinking that one game gives you license to pound your chest like a retarded ****ing gorilla; it just makes what's coming all the sweeter.

I'm failing to understand why you are fighting this fight.

Do you want Sanchez to outplay Cassel to fill some type of agenda? Do not go all Whitlock.

DaneMcCloud
11-24-2009, 12:23 PM
I know this is four pages late, but this is just flat out ridiculous. Haley is a 40+ grown man, I highly doubt he pissed his pants because daddy was watching, plus I am pretty sure his dad watches on tv every week. He isn't five years old you know?

Sorry, I fully disagree.

It's not like his dad is a "nobody". Haley clearly needed someone to tell him to settle down and I think it's no coincidence that when his father was town, he controlled his emotions.

stevieray
11-24-2009, 12:34 PM
Haley's dad won the game111

Thanks Mr. Haley!

Raised On Riots
11-24-2009, 12:35 PM
I'm failing to understand why you are fighting this fight.

Do you want Sanchez to outplay Cassel to fill some type of agenda? Do not go all Whitlock.

In regards to your first post; I'm going on consensus from the Jets board I post at, but I'm sure there ARE more than a few fans who are disappointed.

In regards to your second, I've got a bet to win and I'm going to win it. And If I don't, then I'll be gone and denied the wonderful experience that is Chiefs Planet.
I've yet to decide if that's a good or bad thing. How would I ever cope without Hootie, SAUTO, Buster's Pussy, The Talking Chlamydia, The Tardian, Just Washing Ball, and the other assorted/random fuck nuts that bring such joy to my daily existence?

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 12:47 PM
I know this is four pages late, but this is just flat out ridiculous. Haley is a 40+ grown man, I highly doubt he pissed his pants because daddy was watching, plus I am pretty sure his dad watches on tv every week. He isn't five years old you know?

ROFL this.

Having that said it was a big win for Haley.

The Bad Guy
11-24-2009, 12:48 PM
In regards to your first post; I'm going on consensus from the Jets board I post at, but I'm sure there ARE more than a few fans who are disappointed.

In regards to your second, I've got a bet to win and I'm going to win it. And If I don't, then I'll be gone and denied the wonderful experience that is Chiefs Planet.
I've yet to decide if that's a good or bad thing. How would I ever cope without Hootie, SAUTO, Buster's Pussy, The Talking Chlamydia, The Tardian, Just Washing Ball, and the other assorted/random **** nuts that bring such joy to my daily existence?

What's the bet?

OnTheWarpath58
11-24-2009, 12:52 PM
What's the bet?

He'll confirm or correct me, but IIRC, it was total yards.

Right now, it's basically a dead heat.

Sanchez: 1853

Cassel: 1845


EDIT: Unless for some reason sack yardage was included, in which Sanchez' lead would be around 50 yards.

Raised On Riots
11-24-2009, 01:06 PM
He'll confirm or correct me, but IIRC, it was total yards.

Right now, it's basically a dead heat.

Sanchez: 1853

Cassel: 1845


EDIT: Unless for some reason sack yardage was included, in which Sanchez' lead would be around 50 yards.

Did you add in rushing?

OnTheWarpath58
11-24-2009, 01:12 PM
Did you add in rushing?

Yes.

Sanchez - 1791 Passing, 62 Rushing, 1853 Total

Cassel - 1720 Passing, 125 Rushing, 1845 Total

Raised On Riots
11-24-2009, 01:25 PM
Yes.

Sanchez - 1791 Passing, 62 Rushing, 1853 Total

Cassel - 1720 Passing, 125 Rushing, 1845 Total

Excellent. I've been meaning to update my counter. Thanks!

stevieray
11-24-2009, 01:29 PM
Excellent. I've been meaning to update my counter. Thanks!

blablahblah

Dartgod
11-24-2009, 01:37 PM
The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.
Actually, they do make mistakes on kick coverage. Quite frequently as a matter of fact.

Raised On Riots
11-24-2009, 01:39 PM
blablahblah

Taking philosophy class from Hootie and Buster I see. Is that accredited?

Bunit
11-24-2009, 01:40 PM
Whitlock is laying the groundwork for a graceful retreat from his character attacks against Haley. After being exposed for behaving petty and unprofessional he can't allow himself to be boxed in. That said, I applaud his attempt to be more objective, although he's more likely trying to give himself future wiggle room rather than acknowledge that his personal attacks were over the top and vindictive.

It struck me how those players standing next to Haley on the sidelines when the final whistle blew were giving him a lot of love. It doesn't appear to me that he's lost this team or that his players hate him. I think that reality is beginning to sink in with Whitlock forcing him to reevaluate his media campaign against Haley's character.


Yeah, I noticed that too and was pleasantly surprised how the players interacted with Haley after the final whistle blew. A couple of them were jumping on him and shit. I was like wtf, Whitlock said the players hate him (where's the sarcasm font). But Whitlock flipped his take completely from the last couple weeks to this one.

The Bad Guy
11-24-2009, 01:42 PM
Actually, they do make mistakes on kick coverage. Quite frequently as a matter of fact.

The Steelers have given up 8 return TDs this year.

Yeah, these sure aren't mistakes the Steelers make, right KnowMo

Short Leash Hootie
11-24-2009, 02:49 PM
Wow...

Looking at those yards right now...

If I were Vegas I'd set the odds like this:

Matt Cassel -360
Mark Sanchez +295

Anyone want to take bets?

LaChapelle
11-24-2009, 05:05 PM
I think Haley wanted to beat the Steelers so bad after losing to them in the SB. He would have blown the right and wrong 53 and their fathers