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MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 05:48 AM
I have thought about this topic often and see the discussions come and go. Why are an overwhelming majority of NFL QB's white? There is no other sport that I can think of where a single position is dominated by a certain race. I understand that individual sports are saturated with certain races but I think QB in the NFL is unique. You don't see Asians overpopulating the pitchers mound in the MLB or Hispanics holding down the power forward position in the NBA, so why Caucasians and the QB position?

Is it ideological, i.e. "Owners want white QB's to rep the franchise, White QB's usually come from a rich neighborhood and had a better opportunity to learn how to lead" etc.

or

Biological? "White guys have an extra tendon in their throwing arm, Black players are naturally faster so they run more than throw which leaves them at a disadvantage" or some crazy stuff like that.

What do you think?

Have another beer on me! :thumb:

Maz

Bane
11-24-2009, 06:03 AM
I'd rep you just for the guts it took to start this thread,but I'm on my mobile....I'd never be able to explain my opinion on the matter without being flamed and labeled a racist,so I will simply say that its the only position left for slow white guys that can throw a ball.
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InChiefsHell
11-24-2009, 06:08 AM
I'd be inclined to say that, right now anyway, more white guys fit the bill than black guys. But I don't think it has anything to do with race. Maybe it's a preference from when they were kids. The Black guys wanted to be running backs and recievers, and the white guys wanted to be quarterbacks...

...hell I don't know. But it's obvious that race can't play a role on the talent side per se. Warren Moon was a darn good QB, for instance.

Here's the bigger question...

...when's the last time you EVER saw a black kicker? Roby? I think that's the only one in the history of the world...

...'sup with THAT??

beach tribe
11-24-2009, 06:09 AM
There is no other sport that I can think of where a single position is dominated by a certain race.


Maz

Maybe you've never seen the ethnic diversity of the CB position in the NFL.
Maybe that position is dominated by black people because they're better than everyone else at else at it.

BigRedChief
11-24-2009, 06:28 AM
It may not be a race thing. Most QB's are 6"2" or taller, maybe 220lbs. Growing up, if you learned how to dribble and love basketball more than football wouldn't you lean towards the sport you love better?

I tell you what I've seen in person and thats in baseball. But, its not a black or white thing. It's a middle class, poor thing. Playing little league baseball in the summer at one of the top levels costs $7,000 - $10,000 a summer per team. If your family doesn't have the money, or find a team with a sponsor, your kid plays recreational baseball.

NewChief
11-24-2009, 06:31 AM
I tell you what I've seen in person and thats in baseball. But, its not a black or white thing. It's a middle class, poor thing. Playing little league baseball in the summer at one of the top levels costs $7,000 - $10,000 a summer per team. If your family doesn't have the money, or find a team with a sponsor, your kid plays recreational baseball.

Working at a high school, I see this all the time. Our entire baseball team, except for a few notable exceptions (naturally gifted athletes) consists of kids from traveling squads who have affluent families that can shell out the bucks for them to be on a traveling squad. No one else even tries out for the team once they get to the high school level. We've also won like 5 state championships in a row.

BigRedChief
11-24-2009, 06:35 AM
Working at a high school, I see this all the time. Our entire baseball team, except for a few notable exceptions (naturally gifted athletes) consists of kids from traveling squads who have affluent families that can shell out the bucks for them to be on a traveling squad. No one else even tries out for the team once they get to the high school level. We've also won like 5 state championships in a row.
Yeah, I tried fighting against it, by not traveling for tournaments farther than we could drive in a half a day, got sponsors to help keep done the costs. Preached learning fundamentals and sportsmanship. If a parent didn't have the money to pay their share of the team funds, I payed it. But, in doing those things I was never able to atract the best talent in KC because we didn't travel to Texas, Florida etc for tournaments. And we would be a top 5 ranked team in the state almost every year. To use a college analogy....I could get the 3-4 star recruits but not the 5 star ones.

Inspector
11-24-2009, 06:38 AM
You'll probably need to wait until Mic comes here to explain it.

That's what I'm going to do.

MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 06:57 AM
Maybe you've never seen the ethnic diversity of the CB position in the NFL.
Maybe that position is dominated by black people because they're better than everyone else at else at it.

Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

NewChief
11-24-2009, 07:01 AM
Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

Kicking is a position of affluence that involves lots and lots of time at kicking camps. A better question is where are all the Hispanic kickers. There was a bit of hype for a while that we were going to start getting lots of hispanic crossovers from soccer to football, but it hasn't really played out. The Razorbacks do have a hispanic kicker (Alex Tejada), but it's still not that common.

chief52
11-24-2009, 07:02 AM
Maybe you've never seen the ethnic diversity of the CB position in the NFL.
Maybe that position is dominated by black people because they're better than everyone else at else at it.


Jason Seahorn with the Giants was a very good corner that happened to be white...I can not remember many recently.

Nixhex
11-24-2009, 07:14 AM
Are there more black QB's than white RB's?

Deberg_1990
11-24-2009, 07:15 AM
Where are all the black hockey players?

MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 07:17 AM
Are there more black QB's than white RB's?

You are not getting me! I'm looking for the converse. The NFL is mostly black, so it is not surprising that there are more black players at any given position... EXCEPT QB. Jeez, wish you guys would read before you post sometimes.

Bane
11-24-2009, 07:19 AM
Where are all the black hockey players?

Right!!!!Everyone knows you can't put spinners on ice skates.
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Chiefnj2
11-24-2009, 07:25 AM
I tell you what I've seen in person and thats in baseball. But, its not a black or white thing. It's a middle class, poor thing. Playing little league baseball in the summer at one of the top levels costs $7,000 - $10,000 a summer per team. If your family doesn't have the money, or find a team with a sponsor, your kid plays recreational baseball.

I agree with BRC.

I think money has a large role in today's youth sports. Lots of parents will spend thousands a year on one-on-one trainers and camps and clinics. Child X has his own personal trainer for 2 years and Y doesn't. Even if Y has a good arm, child X has more experience and reps even in the 4th and 5th grade and will get the nod. It's kind of sad.

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 07:32 AM
I'd be inclined to say that, right now anyway, more white guys fit the bill than black guys. But I don't think it has anything to do with race. Maybe it's a preference from when they were kids. The Black guys wanted to be running backs and recievers, and the white guys wanted to be quarterbacks...

...hell I don't know. But it's obvious that race can't play a role on the talent side per se. Warren Moon was a darn good QB, for instance.

Here's the bigger question...

...when's the last time you EVER saw a black kicker? Roby? I think that's the only one in the history of the world...

...'sup with THAT??

There are a lot of black soccer players though that could IMO easily be transformed into kickers.

DMAC
11-24-2009, 07:36 AM
Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

NewChief
11-24-2009, 07:44 AM
I agree with BRC.

I think money has a large role in today's youth sports. Lots of parents will spend thousands a year on one-on-one trainers and camps and clinics. Child X has his own personal trainer for 2 years and Y doesn't. Even if Y has a good arm, child X has more experience and reps even in the 4th and 5th grade and will get the nod. It's kind of sad.

Also, around here at least, high schools are going to more and more complex spread type offenses. QBs are often groomed from about 7th grade in a system to get them ready for high school. The kid who gets the summer camps (around here, often run by the high school) is going to have an advantage on understanding and running the offense over kids who don't.

SenselessChiefsFan
11-24-2009, 07:46 AM
Well, clearly, white people are smarter.

I would love to leave it at that, but I am afraid it would be taken seriously.

I think we would all agree that black people are typically more athletic than the majority of white people. As such, the ones who play QB are often asked to run more of an option oriented attack, and at the very least, are encouraged to run when all else fails.

White QB's are encouraged to stand in the pocket and look downfield because they won't get very far running the ball.

But, when the NFL drafts a QB, they look for a guy who will stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield.

I also think that it starts young in pee wee football.... and coaches on that level have very little clue of what they are doing.... so they emulate the NFL teams, or the college teams.... and they try to do what they do. If they have a tall white kid that can throw the ball pretty good.... they feel like they have a QB.

It is an interesting discussion, but it is good to see more and more black QB's in the NFL.

loochy
11-24-2009, 07:47 AM
I don't know. Why don't you ask Rush Limbaugh?

SenselessChiefsFan
11-24-2009, 07:48 AM
Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

Honestly... height, more than anything.

loochy
11-24-2009, 07:49 AM
Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

Good question - I bet they could instantly calculate the proper trajectory and speed of a fade to the back corner of the end zone.

SenselessChiefsFan
11-24-2009, 07:49 AM
Right!!!!Everyone knows you can't put spinners on ice skates.
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Sure you can, it's called figure skating.

Bwana
11-24-2009, 07:55 AM
You'll probably need to wait until Mic comes here to explain it.

That's what I'm going to do.

Heh, when that happens, expect this thread to hit 200 plus.

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 07:57 AM
Or have you seen any Black swimmers?

To be honest in my life and what I've seen, I've never met a black person who can swim well. I used to have an in-ground pool in my backyard at my parent's house growing up and I would have our HS basketball team come over and party. None of the black guys would leave the shallow end. ROFL

tooge
11-24-2009, 07:57 AM
Good question - I bet they could instantly calculate the proper trajectory and speed of a fade to the back corner of the end zone.

And, according to Reggie White, they could take off their helmet, and rework the helmet speaker into a rocket football launcher.

InChiefsHell
11-24-2009, 07:58 AM
Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

Maybe it's just not a position of interest. It's not flashy, although it's very important. I find it hard to believe that leg strength and accuracy are something that only white people have, so I'd guess it's just not a "sexy" thing to do. If you have athletic ability, then why be a kicker?

There are a lot of black soccer players, so it does seem weird that there are not more black kickers in any level of football. I've never seen one in PeeWee, High School or College, much less the pros.

InChiefsHell
11-24-2009, 08:00 AM
Or have you seen any Black swimmers?

To be honest in my life and what I've seen, I've never met a black person who can swim well. I used to have an in-ground pool in my backyard at my parent's house growing up and I would have our HS basketball team come over and party. None of the black guys would leave the shallow end. ROFL

That's a good point too. It seems there are just certain sports that black people for whatever reason seem to stay away from.

Demonpenz
11-24-2009, 08:07 AM
Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

timmy chang!

Fish
11-24-2009, 08:09 AM
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5229/bunchofracists.jpg

Rooster
11-24-2009, 08:15 AM
I really think it has a lot to do with the socioeconomic status of the person growing up.

MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 08:15 AM
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Dottefan
11-24-2009, 08:15 AM
Maybe it just has to do with kids idolizing certain players, and wanting to play that position. I don't think it has to do with race, more so if your a white kid growing up, the only real glamor position that you see white guys at is either linebacker, or quarterback. So maybe you grow up wanting to be the next Montana, or Elway back in the day.

If your a black kid, the glamor spots are running back and wide receiver, and you emulate the black guys. I don't think it has anything to do with race, so much as you naturally relate to the guy that looks like you when your younger. Coaches also had allot to do with it, most coaches back in the day would naturally place players at certain positions based on race, whether sub consciously or not.

Now your starting to see allot of that changing. There are more white wide receivers popping up and white running backs, along with more black quarterbacks. This is because these kids maybe didn't see race as much , or the culture of sports changed, so that Coaches didn't automatically place kids at positions based on race.

rockymtnchief
11-24-2009, 08:17 AM
The quarterback position follows money. Dad pays for camps, one-on-one training, and every video on the market. Plus, I've seen money influence who gets to start and get the most reps in practice.

The inner city kids (white also) spend their time developing athleticism by playing basketball, baseball, football, steal the hubcap, etc... They develop speed, hand eye coordination, leaping abilities, shiftiness, lateral speed, etc... that translate better to other positions.

Of course, there are exceptions and this is just my generalization.

Dottefan
11-24-2009, 08:18 AM
The quarterback position follows money. Dad pays for camps, one-on-one training, and every video on the market. Plus, I've seen money influence who gets to start and get the most reps in practice.

The inner city kids (white also) spend their time developing athleticism by playing basketball, baseball, football, steal the hubcap, etc... They develop speed, hand eye coordination, leaping abilities, shiftiness, lateral speed, etc... that translate better to other positions.

Of course, there are exceptions and this is just my generalization.

:clap::clap: I think you hit the nail on the head.

MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 08:21 AM
Maybe it just has to do with kids idolizing certain players, and wanting to play that position. I don't think it has to do with race, more so if your a white kid growing up, the only real glamor position that you see white guys at is either linebacker, or quarterback. So maybe you grow up wanting to be the next Montana, or Elway back in the day.

If your a black kid, the glamor spots are running back and wide receiver, and you emulate the black guys. I don't think it has anything to do with race, so much as you naturally relate to the guy that looks like you when your younger. Coaches also had allot to do with it, most coaches back in the day would naturally place players at certain positions based on race, whether sub consciously or not.

Now your starting to see allot of that changing. There are more white wide receivers popping up and white running backs, along with more black quarterbacks. This is because these kids maybe didn't see race as much , or the culture of sports changed, so that Coaches didn't automatically place kids at positions based on race.

Is it just me, or did your entire explanation have to do with race? Stating that white kids stick to "white positions" seems like a racial explanation to me. And that's completely ok.

jidar
11-24-2009, 08:22 AM
Ah hell yeah

Let's turn this into a Chris Rock comedy sketch.

Black people do this, white people do that. I wish my dick was black so it would be larger.

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 08:31 AM
The quarterback position follows money. Dad pays for camps, one-on-one training, and every video on the market. Plus, I've seen money influence who gets to start and get the most reps in practice.

The inner city kids (white also) spend their time developing athleticism by playing basketball, baseball, football, steal the hubcap, etc... They develop speed, hand eye coordination, leaping abilities, shiftiness, lateral speed, etc... that translate better to other positions.

Of course, there are exceptions and this is just my generalization.

ROFL

Rain Man
11-24-2009, 08:39 AM
(Shrug.) My favorite football player as a kid was Otis Taylor, and I wanted to be a wide receiver. Then as I got older I realized that defense was where it was at, and Deron Cherry was my favorite player. It wasn't about race, it was about the guys wearing red who were playing the most fun positions. Am I the exception?

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 08:51 AM
Ah hell yeah

Let's turn this into a Chris Rock comedy sketch.

Black people do this, white people do that. I wish my dick was black so it would be larger.

Yeah but you don't want to be the black guy with the small penis.....because then you REALLY get fucked with.

It's like being the asian kid in class that has trouble with his Math homework. Yes folks......I've seen it.

Dottefan
11-24-2009, 09:01 AM
Is it just me, or did your entire explanation have to do with race? Stating that white kids stick to "white positions" seems like a racial explanation to me. And that's completely ok.


No, I was saying that the older generation of players , and coaches the ones who grew up or coached in the 70`s and 80`s might have idolized their players by race, or subconsciously or consciously automatically placed certain players at positions by race..that would mean that more white kids started off playing pee wee ball at quarterback and more black kids at running back and wide receiver.

The kids growing up in the 90`s and new 00`s didn't see race so much. Also the coaches approach changed, allowing more kids opportunities and different positions, and not automatically placed by race, that was my point.

Demonpenz
11-24-2009, 09:06 AM
it used to be you would never see a black man flying a plane, thank god chappy from iron eagle changed all that

beach tribe
11-24-2009, 09:11 AM
Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

Where are all the white Corner backs, or Running backs?

beach tribe
11-24-2009, 09:13 AM
Are there more black QB's than white RB's?

Yes.

beach tribe
11-24-2009, 09:18 AM
You are not getting me! I'm looking for the converse. The NFL is mostly black, so it is not surprising that there are more black players at any given position... EXCEPT QB. Jeez, wish you guys would read before you post sometimes.
I'm just messin around with my other posts.
I honestly think it's because White athlete's will not make it at most positions so they focus harder on the QB position, and are tried out there more, because that's the only place they would be able to play, and black people are more often put at the other skill positions because they can fill those roles.
I also think that white kids whose parents want them to be a QB groom them to be so very early in their lives.

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 09:18 AM
Where are all the white Corner backs, or Running backs?

depends what level you're talking about. If It's High school It could be both ways....also have to consider whether that HS is out in the suburbs or if it's an inner-city school.

beach tribe
11-24-2009, 09:22 AM
Is it just me, or did your entire explanation have to do with race? Stating that white kids stick to "white positions" seems like a racial explanation to me. And that's completely ok.

If you ask a ?? that involves race, the answer will as well.
Notm trying to be a smart ass, or a dick. Sorry if it sounds that way, but it's really hard to answer this ?? without delving into racial tendencies.

chiefsfan4life1978
11-24-2009, 09:24 AM
Maybe it's just not a position of interest. It's not flashy, although it's very important. I find it hard to believe that leg strength and accuracy are something that only white people have, so I'd guess it's just not a "sexy" thing to do. If you have athletic ability, then why be a kicker?

There are a lot of black soccer players, so it does seem weird that there are not more black kickers in any level of football. I've never seen one in PeeWee, High School or College, much less the pros.

Justin Medlock

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 09:26 AM
Justin Medlock

Who's that black punter than used to punt for the STL Rams?

beach tribe
11-24-2009, 09:27 AM
depends what level you're talking about. If It's High school It could be both ways....also have to consider whether that HS is out in the suburbs or if it's an inner-city school.

True, and there are TONS of schools who have black QBs. College, and HS.
The best of the best at every position end up in the NFL. Most of the best QBs just happen to be white at this point in time, and the best players, at most other positions are black.
I hope this answer doesn't offend anyone. It's not meant to, and I don't consider myself to be doing anything other than answering a ?? honestly.

beach tribe
11-24-2009, 09:27 AM
Justin Medlock

Reggie Roby?

chiefsfan4life1978
11-24-2009, 09:31 AM
Reggie Roby?

I don't know if Reggie Roby punted for the Rams or not. However, I do know that Reggie Roby had the sweetest facemask ever!

Dottefan
11-24-2009, 09:33 AM
Is it just me, or did your entire explanation have to do with race? Stating that white kids stick to "white positions" seems like a racial explanation to me. And that's completely ok.

You asked a question regarding race. So my answer will obviously involve race.

MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 09:36 AM
If you ask a ?? that involves race, the answer will as well.
Notm trying to be a smart ass, or a dick. Sorry if it sounds that way, but it's really hard to answer this ?? without delving into racial tendencies.

Read the top part of his post that is highlighted, bolded and underlined. :)

MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 09:38 AM
You asked a question regarding race. So my answer will obviously involve race.

See my above post.


You said it wasn't about race.

Not a big deal, just my observation.

stevieray
11-24-2009, 09:43 AM
Here's the bigger question...

...when's the last time you EVER saw a black kicker? Roby? I think that's the only one in the history of the world...

...'sup with THAT??


...don't want to be the goat for losing the game?

:shrug:

ChiefButthurt
11-24-2009, 09:44 AM
Or have you seen any Black swimmers?

To be honest in my life and what I've seen, I've never met a black person who can swim well. I used to have an in-ground pool in my backyard at my parent's house growing up and I would have our HS basketball team come over and party. None of the black guys would leave the shallow end. ROFL

Maybe back in those days, blacks weren't allowed in white pools and he felt uncomfortable. Maybe he thought you white people were trying to trick him into the pool so you could drown him.

Look, I'm a white guy and this thread is making me uncomfortable. I had to make sure the date on my computer said 2009 and not 1968.

DaKCMan AP
11-24-2009, 09:46 AM
Where are all the black hockey players?

My favorite hockey player when I gave a damn:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e2010537040f7f970c-200wi

DaKCMan AP
11-24-2009, 09:47 AM
Who's that black punter than used to punt for the STL Rams?

Rodney Williams

CoMoChief
11-24-2009, 10:02 AM
Sporting Events that Blacks tend to stay away from...

Golf - Minus Tiger Woods, Vijay and maybe a couple others, whom Tiger ironically is the best golfer ever, but for the most part this sport is 99.99999% white

Bowling - I can't really name anymore than 2-3 pro bowlers, but I've never seen blacks at a bowling alley unless they were with some of their white friends.

Swimming - like I said in my previous post, from what I've seen blacks aren't very good swimmers, though in HS state swimming championships there was this black kid from a STL school that was VERY fast in the 50 free. Swam like a High 21 sec 50 free.

NASCAR - (Unless you're Lamanjio Smith, who won the Kenyan 600 - Anyone who hasn't heard the Mr. Bergis NASCAR prank phone call needs to Youtube it, language NSFW, and there are racial slurs but it's absolutely hilarious.) NASCAR's isn't really a sport. It's just a competition/event.

Hockey - Besides that Florida Panthers player listed above, I've never seen a black hockey player. Unless you count Manute Bol ROFL

Then you can also add just about any Winter Olympics event, though you can add the fact that blacks are in just about EVERY summer olympics event......face it.....Blacks hate the cold weather. There aren't any black ice skaters (unless they're female I guess, but I can't remember of any off the top of my head but then again I don't watch figure skating at all)

demonhero
11-24-2009, 10:21 AM
Tennis
Golf
Water polo
Rugby
:doh!:
This is before I read the next post.

patteeu
11-24-2009, 10:28 AM
(Shrug.) My favorite football player as a kid was Otis Taylor, and I wanted to be a wide receiver. Then as I got older I realized that defense was where it was at, and Deron Cherry was my favorite player. It wasn't about race, it was about the guys wearing red who were playing the most fun positions. Am I the exception?

No, at least I don't think so. I wanted to be Curly Culp or Buck Buchanan.

Skip Towne
11-24-2009, 10:51 AM
No, at least I don't think so. I wanted to be Curly Culp or Buck Buchanan.

I wanted to be Arnold Morgado.

Pants
11-24-2009, 10:52 AM
Maybe it's just not a position of interest. It's not flashy, although it's very important. I find it hard to believe that leg strength and accuracy are something that only white people have, so I'd guess it's just not a "sexy" thing to do. If you have athletic ability, then why be a kicker?

There are a lot of black soccer players, so it does seem weird that there are not more black kickers in any level of football. I've never seen one in PeeWee, High School or College, much less the pros.

Athletic black people have too much talent to be wasted on just kicking balls.

MahiMike
11-24-2009, 10:54 AM
90% of the players are black and this is the question you came up with?

Cjanz
11-24-2009, 10:58 AM
Racial diversity is difficult to determine, I mean sure, you've got statistics that are always going to point in a certain direction, and maybe the trend IS that most QBs are "white", but by exemplifying it to the extent of questioning actual diversity is antithetical to our supposed movement towards ending racial supremacy.

When we begin to regard ourselves as human beings as opposed to "white" or "colored", I'll appreciate our capacity for integrity.

sportsman1
11-24-2009, 10:59 AM
The demographics of football are definitely interesting. Its a discussion worth having, as to the why it occurs the way it does. I think the Quarterback affluence example fits the best. Access to quality coaches can transform people and help overcome that affluence factor, but definitely affluence is a factor. However.. my favorite Quarter-back is definitely Steve McNair. He did things athetically that noone else did, and was the best gamer on the field. He came to play, and was very admirable. His success from his Mississippi back-ground is kind of an anomoly in the affluence argument.

RJ
11-24-2009, 11:00 AM
(Shrug.) My favorite football player as a kid was Otis Taylor, and I wanted to be a wide receiver. Then as I got older I realized that defense was where it was at, and Deron Cherry was my favorite player. It wasn't about race, it was about the guys wearing red who were playing the most fun positions. Am I the exception?



I wanted to be Otis Taylor or Lou Brock or Earl Monroe. They looked to coolest doing what they did.

patteeu
11-24-2009, 11:06 AM
90% of the players are black and this is the question you came up with?

That's kind of the point of the question. It's not completely clear from the OP, but later he points out that the majority of NFL players are black so the fact that a single position is mostly white seems different than in other sports where one race dominates (e.g. blacks in basketball or whites in swimming).

BigRedChief
11-24-2009, 11:06 AM
I wanted to be Otis Taylor or Lou Brock or Earl Monroe. They looked to coolest doing what they did.Otis Taylor, Lou Brock and Bob Gibson for me. This is circa Springfield, mo. 1968 or so. I rememeber kids asking me why is your favorite pitcher a black guy. I told them why should I care? Whats that got do do with his pitching? My first lesson in race preception. I remember thinking who gives a chit that he is black.

RJ
11-24-2009, 11:07 AM
Reggie Roby?


Greg Coleman.

RJ
11-24-2009, 11:13 AM
Otis Taylor, Lou Brock and Bob Gibson for me. This is circa Springfield, mo. 1968 or so. I rememeber kids asking me why is your favorite pitcher a black guy. I told them why should I care? Whats that got do do with his pitching? My first lesson in race preception. I remember thinking who gives a chit that he is black.



Most of my favorite athletes growing up were black, probably because I admired speed and aspired to play the games the way they did. Gibson was my favorite pitcher, but I never wanted to be a pitcher. Pitching was dull to me. I wanted to play positions that rewarded speed and good hands.

Those were good days to be a Chiefs and Cardinals fan, huh?

38yrsfan
11-24-2009, 11:16 AM
I have thought about this topic often and see the discussions come and go. Why are an overwhelming majority of NFL QB's white? There is no other sport that I can think of where a single position is dominated by a certain race. I understand that individual sports are saturated with certain races but I think QB in the NFL is unique. You don't see Asians overpopulating the pitchers mound in the MLB or Hispanics holding down the power forward position in the NBA, so why Caucasians and the QB position?

Is it ideological, i.e. "Owners want white QB's to rep the franchise, White QB's usually come from a rich neighborhood and had a better opportunity to learn how to lead" etc.

or

Biological? "White guys have an extra tendon in their throwing arm, Black players are naturally faster so they run more than throw which leaves them at a disadvantage" or some crazy stuff like that.

What do you think?

Have another beer on me! :thumb:

Maz


Now don't forget about JaMarcus Russell ROFL

ClevelandBronco
11-24-2009, 11:17 AM
I've never been able to figure out why the majority of defensive linemen seems to be African American and the majority of offensive linemen seems to be white.

Count Zarth
11-24-2009, 11:18 AM
http://www.pyromaniac.com/teams/images/oakland-raiders/jamarcus.jpg

Chiefnj2
11-24-2009, 11:20 AM
I've never been able to figure out why the majority of defensive linemen seems to be African American and the majority of offensive linemen seems to be white.

The OL go to the same summer camps as the rich QB's.

BigRedChief
11-24-2009, 11:20 AM
Most of my favorite athletes growing up were black, probably because I admired speed and aspired to play the games the way they did. Gibson was my favorite pitcher, but I never wanted to be a pitcher. Pitching was dull to me. I wanted to play positions that rewarded speed and good hands.

Those were good days to be a Chiefs and Cardinals fan, huh?
man I remember very fondly listening to Harry Carey and Jack Buck broadcasting the games, staying up to listen to the games on the radio on school nights, watching Otis on Sundays. If only life was as carefree as back then....

RJ
11-24-2009, 11:24 AM
man I remember very fondly listening to Harry Carey and Jack Buck broadcasting the games, staying up to listen to the games on the radio on school nights, watching Otis on Sundays. If only life was as carefree as back then....


Ah, memories.....when summers went on forever, and all my favorite teams were actually worth a shit.

SDChiefs
11-24-2009, 11:25 AM
Where are all the black hockey players?

Wayne Simmons on the Kings

JohnnyV13
11-24-2009, 12:14 PM
In the late 80's, SI ran a controversial story about a scientist who looked at the origin/insertion points of muscles around the knee. He found that blacks generally had insertion points about 30% farther from the joint than whites on average.

Someone with an insertion point 30 percent farther from the joint, gets a 30 percent torque advantage, even if they have the same muscle capacity, to generate force. Hence, said person will probably run faster and jump higher.

A number of black athletes took exception to this article, because they thought it was just another way to dismiss their athletic success based upon physical superiority and to diminish their hard work and intelligence in playing the game.

Yet, if this research is accurate, it could go a long way to explain why blacks dominate track and field events on the international level, yet don't dominate in events like shot put and javelin throwing.

Applied to football, it could explain why quarterbacks and o linemen have higher percentages of whites than any other position. Quarterbacks don't need to run fast, their primary skill is throwing the ball. Since the majority of people in the US are white, you will end up with more white QBs.

O linemen need size, and quickness, but don't need hte explosive speed that top d linemen need. In every other position, speed is very important.

Even so, safeties don't need the speed that corners require, hence you see more white safeties than corners.

Think about this on a street level: how many white guys can run with the black guys in pickup basketball? In my experience, the answer is "not many".

Lbedrock1
11-24-2009, 12:37 PM
Sporting Events that Blacks tend to stay away from...

Golf - Minus Tiger Woods, Vijay and maybe a couple others, whom Tiger ironically is the best golfer ever, but for the most part this sport is 99.99999% white

Bowling - I can't really name anymore than 2-3 pro bowlers, but I've never seen blacks at a bowling alley unless they were with some of their white friends.

Swimming - like I said in my previous post, from what I've seen blacks aren't very good swimmers, though in HS state swimming championships there was this black kid from a STL school that was VERY fast in the 50 free. Swam like a High 21 sec 50 free.

NASCAR - (Unless you're Lamanjio Smith, who won the Kenyan 600 - Anyone who hasn't heard the Mr. Bergis NASCAR prank phone call needs to Youtube it, language NSFW, and there are racial slurs but it's absolutely hilarious.) NASCAR's isn't really a sport. It's just a competition/event.

Hockey - Besides that Florida Panthers player listed above, I've never seen a black hockey player. Unless you count Manute Bol ROFL

Then you can also add just about any Winter Olympics event, though you can add the fact that blacks are in just about EVERY summer olympics event......face it.....Blacks hate the cold weather. There aren't any black ice skaters (unless they're female I guess, but I can't remember of any off the top of my head but then again I don't watch figure skating at all)
You are wrong, blacks dont stay away from these sports these sport cost money to get envolved with so it is strictly economics. If you had told me i could make millions playing golf and gave me the money it takes to get good i would have loved playing and competing in golf. Today you have more blacks playing golf then ever I being one of them. Think about sports and then the economics behind it. If i had the means I would love to be a race car driver in nascar. Soccer was never my thing but i know alot of black people who love to play. Young black men gravitate to basketball and football mostly because it cost very little to play all you need is a football or basketball a goal (which you can find at almost every park) and some land.

BillSelfsTrophycase
11-24-2009, 12:41 PM
Greg Coleman.

Donald Igwebuike

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/tampa/igwebuikeTB.jpg

MichaelH
11-24-2009, 12:50 PM
In the late 80's, SI ran a controversial story about a scientist who looked at the origin/insertion points of muscles around the knee. He found that blacks generally had insertion points about 30% farther from the joint than whites on average.

Someone with an insertion point 30 percent farther from the joint, gets a 30 percent torque advantage, even if they have the same muscle capacity, to generate force. Hence, said person will probably run faster and jump higher.

A number of black athletes took exception to this article, because they thought it was just another way to dismiss their athletic success based upon physical superiority and to diminish their hard work and intelligence in playing the game.

Yet, if this research is accurate, it could go a long way to explain why blacks dominate track and field events on the international level, yet don't dominate in events like shot put and javelin throwing.

Applied to football, it could explain why quarterbacks and o linemen have higher percentages of whites than any other position. Quarterbacks don't need to run fast, their primary skill is throwing the ball. Since the majority of people in the US are white, you will end up with more white QBs.

O linemen need size, and quickness, but don't need hte explosive speed that top d linemen need. In every other position, speed is very important.

Even so, safeties don't need the speed that corners require, hence you see more white safeties than corners.

Think about this on a street level: how many white guys can run with the black guys in pickup basketball? In my experience, the answer is "not many".

I agree with your post 100%. But the thing I find interesting is that the truth is being reported and no racism is being called. The truth being that black athletes are superior in many different ways than white athletes and the white posters can accept this. If the posts said the opposite I don't believe this topic would be as civil. I find that a bit sad.

kcfanXIII
11-24-2009, 01:29 PM
Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

maybe the league should institute a rule requiring teams to try out black kickers, just to get their numbers up...

addressing the OP, i think it has to do with the physical requirements of the position. i don't think its racist at all to say black people are faster than white people. i think thats pretty much a given. players with more athletic talent are going to play positions that demand more speed and agility. speed is very important to a wr who is running down field, not so much to a guy who is being asked to stand back there and throw a majority of the time. so logic would tell us to put the speed at wr and rb on offense. just my opinion. don't take me for a racist, i'm not. i just call it like i see it.

Marcellus
11-24-2009, 01:33 PM
I am sure this has been posted but I believe there are zero white CB's in the NFL.

Thats interesting too.

Hound333
11-24-2009, 02:20 PM
Maybe back in those days, blacks weren't allowed in white pools and he felt uncomfortable. Maybe he thought you white people were trying to trick him into the pool so you could drown him.

Look, I'm a white guy and this thread is making me uncomfortable. I had to make sure the date on my computer said 2009 and not 1968.


Most of the black guys I know tell me that the reason they don't swim is because their parents don't put them in swimming lessons as kids. (talking on average here) The swimming lesson stuff is mostly a white deal.

RJ
11-24-2009, 02:24 PM
Donald Igwebuike

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/tampa/igwebuikeTB.jpg


I couldn't remember that dude's name!

Ralphy Boy
11-24-2009, 03:04 PM
Don't care to read the entire thread but aren't most starting centers in the NFL white as well?

MikeMaslowski
11-24-2009, 03:31 PM
That's kind of the point of the question. It's not completely clear from the OP, but later he points out that the majority of NFL players are black so the fact that a single position is mostly white seems different than in other sports where one race dominates (e.g. blacks in basketball or whites in swimming).

Thank you.

:clap:

geronimo
11-24-2009, 04:30 PM
Interesting topic. Nice way to break away from work for a minute. My experience is that leadership among youth is more likely to show up earlier in families where the father is present and involved. Well many (certainly not all) black kids grow up without. Aside from physical attributes, the QB of note is the one who has leadership skills. Secondly, most coaches are white and are probably more prone to select a QB with whom they relate. On the physical side, learning how to throw a football is more difficult than learning how to catch one (at least for me-- still can't throw worth a damn). So more white kids end up being selected or targeted to play QB because of parental involvement/pressure and cause most coaches are white and end up investing/catering to their preference, ie their son, son's friend or someone who looks like them. These subtleties play a large part in our decisions than we realize. On my highschool team, the varsity QB was black. His dad was a lawyer and was in stands since the kid was 9 y/o forward. He (the QB) was a pretty good leader if not that talented. (WE SUCKED). He was also my best friend. In this day and age of uber competition in youth sports once you're pegged for a certain sport or position it typically follows you throughout your career. The other obvious explanation is stereotyping or "self fulfilling prophecy" young kids who play see that the QB is typically white, they then decide either that's who i want to be like or it isn't. I never wanted to be QB so I never tried. I loved Staubach and Stabler (white guys) the Harris dude who played for the Rams and Vince Evans ...not so much. I wanted to be OJ Simpson or Ronnie Lott. Lastly, I think blacks excell at positions which require a certain level of aggression vs. analysis which may explain the Offensive lineman v. Defensive linemen anomoly as well. I'm rambling now but I will never forget goin into my sophomore year the varsity FB coach asked me how tall my dad was. I was abt 5/10 (my father's height). When I responded it almost seemed like a light bulb (in his head) went off. In hindsight I think he was/is a good guy but i wasn't the kid sitting around after two-a-days shooting the shit with him.

Lbedrock1
11-24-2009, 05:13 PM
I agree with your post 100%. But the thing I find interesting is that the truth is being reported and no racism is being called. The truth being that black athletes are superior in many different ways than white athletes and the white posters can accept this. If the posts said the opposite I don't believe this topic would be as civil. I find that a bit sad.

Why do whites except that garbage? Maybe because if they protested or got angry they would be getting mad at white scientist who madeup the story? If they wanted to study something maybe they should study why a chimp is 2-3 times stronger then a man. I would like to know that. Until we realize we are all human with just different pigment and the only differences we have really are just how we are raise and where, we are all DOOMED. We all need to understand and respect the differences without all the stereotyping.

notorious
11-24-2009, 05:32 PM
it used to be you would never see a black man flying a plane, thank god chappy from iron eagle changed all that

ROFL

My best friend got a job flying for an airline out of Dallas a few years ago. He showed me a group photo of all the company pilots.

To put this in a politically correct manner, he stood out.

I picked him out of the crowd instantly and smiled at him.

He laughed and told me to go fuck myself ROFL.

Rain Man
11-24-2009, 05:58 PM
Why do whites except that garbage? Maybe because if they protested or got angry they would be getting mad at white scientist who madeup the story? If they wanted to study something maybe they should study why a chimp is 2-3 times stronger then a man. I would like to know that. Until we realize we are all human with just different pigment and the only differences we have really are just how we are raise and where, we are all DOOMED. We all need to understand and respect the differences without all the stereotyping.

I think it's because chimpanzees' parents spend time with their kids and teach them to swing in trees and peel bananas with their feet and rip apart rhesus monkeys when they're young. It's all about role modeling.