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Bwana
11-24-2009, 01:33 PM
Wow, just wow. :shake:

March 31, 2004: Iraqis chant anti-American slogans as the charred and mutilated bodies of U.S. contractors hang from a bridge over the Euphrates River in Fallujah, Iraq.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/588078/0_61_112409_fallujah.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html#)


Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.

Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.
Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.

<!-- QUIGO --><!-- QUIGO -->The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.

FoxNews.com obtained the official handwritten statement from one of the three witnesses given on Sept. 3, hours after Abed was captured and still being held at the SEAL base at Camp Baharia. He was later taken to a cell in the U.S.-operated Green Zone in Baghdad.

The SEAL told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee.
"I gave the detainee a glance over and then left," the SEAL wrote. "I did not notice anything wrong with the detainee and he appeared in good health."

Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their court martial is scheduled for January.

United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.

The source said intelligence briefings provided to the SEALs stated that "Objective Amber" planned the 2004 Fallujah ambush, and "they had been tracking this guy for some time."

The Fallujah atrocity came to symbolize the brutality of the enemy in Iraq and the degree to which a homegrown insurgency was extending its grip over Iraq.

The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to photograph.

Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded capture until September.

The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in connection with detainee treatment.

wild1
11-24-2009, 01:35 PM
Only getting a few knocks in the face after what he did, he should consider that winning the lottery.

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 01:37 PM
He fell on my fist multiple times, your honor.

I guess we should bring him to trial in NY and get a public proceeding with a DA and some good defense attorney as well.

Iowanian
11-24-2009, 01:37 PM
It's nice that the word of a murdering terrorist is taken over that of 4 Seals.


They should have probably done as he would have and beaten, murdered, burned and left him hanging from a bridge for the crowd to cheer.

Donger
11-24-2009, 01:40 PM
That's just f*cking idiotic.

raybec 4
11-24-2009, 01:42 PM
Somebody is going to post that they were wrong, just to be a dick.

Chief Henry
11-24-2009, 01:46 PM
Somebody is going to post that they were wrong, just to be a dick.

Frankie will be here any minute to oblige in your request.

HonestChieffan
11-24-2009, 01:47 PM
There will be lawyers signing up to prosecute the Seals. They should have capped the mullah when they had the opportunity.

KC native
11-24-2009, 01:48 PM
:rolleyes: I'm sure they're facing charges because they just punched the guy.

JFC you guys are gullible as shit. With the hit and miss (emphasis on the miss) of Faux's journalistic quality, do you guys really believe this?

raybec 4
11-24-2009, 01:48 PM
There will be lawyers signing up to prosecute the Seals. They should have capped the mullah when they had the opportunity.

If they had they'd be facing no charges.

Bwana
11-24-2009, 01:49 PM
:rolleyes: I'm sure they're facing charges because they punched the guy.

JFC you guys are gullible as shit. With the hit and miss (emphasis on the miss) of Faux's journalistic quality, do you guys really believe this?

And there you have it folks, Fox is just making shit up. Unreal :shake:

Inspector
11-24-2009, 01:52 PM
Wow.

I really miss the United States of America. Imagine back in WW2 one of our heros being treated like this after bringing an enemy to justice. We had some common sense back then.

Guess stuff like this helps bring in the brightest and bravest to defend our country.........or maybe not.

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 01:53 PM
:rolleyes: I'm sure they're facing charges because they punched the guy.

JFC you guys are gullible as shit. With the hit and miss (emphasis on the miss) of Faux's journalistic quality, do you guys really believe this?

Can someone ever post without mentioning the source of Fox?

I tell you what when the Clinton News Network or the More Socialism Now Big Communist Networks actually release stories like ACORN fraud within a week of Fox beating their asses. Or better yet, when MSNBC nuts up and actually beats Food Network in ratings, then I will start taking the complaint seriously.

Bwana
11-24-2009, 01:53 PM
There will be lawyers signing up to prosecute the Seals. They should have capped the mullah when they had the opportunity.

This:

They should have taken a long country drive, dug a hole, made him eat a pork chop, shot his sorry terrorist ass, kicked some sand on him, and went and had a beer.

petegz28
11-24-2009, 01:54 PM
And there you have it folks, Fox is just making shit up. Unreal :shake:

Yep. They didn't really reatain lawyers and such. Native has foiled the Fox spin yet again.

KC native
11-24-2009, 01:54 PM
Can someone ever post without mentioning the source of Fox?

I tell you what when the Clinton News Network or the More Socialism Now Big Communist Networks actually release stories like ACORN fraud within a week of Fox beating their asses. Or better yet, when MSNBC nuts up and actually beats Food Network in ratings, then I will start taking the complaint seriously.

You'll never see me use MSNBC or CNN as a source for a controversial story. I use print news. All of the 24 hour news networks suck.

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 01:55 PM
You'll never see me use MSNBC or CNN as a source for a controversial story. I use print news. All of the 24 hour news networks suck.

So which do you use? And did they release the ACORN blast on the same day as Fox?

KC native
11-24-2009, 01:56 PM
And there you have it folks, Fox is just making shit up. Unreal :shake:

They've done it before and will do it again.

Inspector
11-24-2009, 01:56 PM
You'll never see me use MSNBC or CNN as a source for a controversial story. I use print news. All of the 24 hour news networks suck.

I guess they have the latest most current news.

KC native
11-24-2009, 01:56 PM
So which do you use? And did they release the ACORN blast on the same day as Fox?

I don't watch news networks. I use print news and read several sources.

Bwana
11-24-2009, 01:57 PM
They've done it before and will do it again.

Sooooo, this never happened?

petegz28
11-24-2009, 01:57 PM
This is why you just kill fuckers and forget about it.

HonestChieffan
11-24-2009, 01:57 PM
Yep. They didn't really reatain lawyers and such. Native has foiled the Fox spin yet again.

He is on a roll. Dissed Harvard for their silly stuff. Now he has stopped the Fox spin in its tracks.

KC native
11-24-2009, 01:58 PM
Sooooo, this never happened?

Not saying it didn't happen but I bet there are major details being left out of Fox's version.

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 01:58 PM
I don't watch news networks. I use print news and read several sources.

Again, what sources?

KC native
11-24-2009, 02:00 PM
He is on a roll. Dissed Harvard for their silly stuff. Now he has stopped the Fox spin in its tracks.

:shake: I didn't diss Harvard. I dissed that particular paper from those professors. I know you don't understand how to criticize arguments without attacking someone but I do.

HonestChieffan
11-24-2009, 02:03 PM
Again, what sources?

Dell Comics

Bwana
11-24-2009, 02:04 PM
Not saying it didn't happen but I bet there are major details being left out of Fox's version.

Link?

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 02:04 PM
Dell Comics

I was being serious.

If someone has disdain for a source, have the guts to provide your own and why you believe it is superior.

Bwana
11-24-2009, 02:06 PM
I was being serious.

If someone has disdain for a source, have the guts to provide your own and why you believe it is superior.

Why do that when you can pulls stuff out of your ass like KC native?

KC native
11-24-2009, 02:16 PM
Again, what sources?

Guardian, BBC, NYT, WSJ (for business only), Bloomberg

I stay away from Op-eds for the most part.

Iowanian
11-24-2009, 02:20 PM
Not saying it didn't happen but I bet there are major details being left out of Fox's version.


But you get your news from the Christopher Street Chronicle want ads..

fan4ever
11-24-2009, 02:29 PM
:rolleyes: I'm sure they're facing charges because they just punched the guy.

JFC you guys are gullible as shit. With the hit and miss (emphasis on the miss) of Faux's journalistic quality, do you guys really believe this?

I have to admit, this does sound incredible.

But then again, until a few months ago I'd have never dreamed we'd be reading our enemies in the field their Maranda rights or be trying a terrorist in a civil court...so color me gullible.

bluehawkdoc
11-24-2009, 02:33 PM
I don't watch news networks. I use print news and read several sources.


I didn't know "Highlights" covered international issues. Wow, they have really branched out from the circle the hidden objects section.

jjjayb
11-24-2009, 02:47 PM
I didn't know "Highlights" covered international issues. Wow, they have really branched out from the circle the hidden objects section.

ROFL

jjjayb
11-24-2009, 02:49 PM
Guardian, BBC, NYT, WSJ (for business only), Bloomberg

I stay away from Op-eds for the most part.

New York Times is one of your sources of information and you have the balls to criticize Fox?

KC native
11-24-2009, 02:51 PM
New York Times is one of your sources of information and you have the balls to criticize Fox?

If you stay off the Op-Ed page then the NYT is a great paper.

HonestChieffan
11-24-2009, 02:53 PM
If you get off the shore, Michigan is a great lake.

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 03:09 PM
Guardian, BBC, NYT, WSJ (for business only), Bloomberg

I stay away from Op-eds for the most part.

None of which are reporting the story at all at this point.

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 03:10 PM
If you stay off the Op-Ed page then the NYT is a great paper.

I hope that was said in jest.

Donger
11-24-2009, 03:22 PM
Not saying it didn't happen but I bet there are major details being left out of Fox's version.

Did you read the article? One of the charges is making false official statement(s). So, the SEALs probably lied about roughing the terrorist up and got caught.

jjjayb
11-24-2009, 03:33 PM
If you stay off the Op-Ed page then the NYT is a great paper.

The same New York Slimes that says this about the recently leaked climate change emails:

The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here

Yet, had no problem publishing classified information that could endanger American's lives?

They have no problem holding back info that might hurt the liberal agenda, but will jump all over the chance to publish anything they can to make a Republican look bad.

:rolleyes:

KC native
11-24-2009, 03:41 PM
Did you read the article? One of the charges is making false official statement(s). So, the SEALs probably lied about roughing the terrorist up and got caught.

Ah, so they aren't just being charged for punching someone? Glad to see that's not getting in the way of anyone's outrage here.

KC native
11-24-2009, 03:41 PM
The same New York Slimes that says this about the recently leaked climate change emails:



Yet, had no problem publishing classified information that could endanger American's lives?

They have no problem holding back info that might hurt the liberal agenda, but will jump all over the chance to publish anything they can to make a Republican look bad.

:rolleyes:

Tip Tap already schooled you guys on those emails.

KC native
11-24-2009, 03:42 PM
I hope that was said in jest.

Not at all. Just because you'd rather listen to what Fox has to say about them doesn't mean they aren't a good paper.

Donger
11-24-2009, 03:45 PM
Ah, so they aren't just being charged for punching someone? Glad to see that's not getting in the way of anyone's outrage here.

I think it's pretty likely that they did punch the terrorist and then claimed they did not, hence the false report. Anyway, what else do you think happened to the terrorist besides the punch?

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 04:24 PM
The same New York Slimes that says this about the recently leaked climate change emails:



Yet, had no problem publishing classified information that could endanger American's lives?

They have no problem holding back info that might hurt the liberal agenda, but will jump all over the chance to publish anything they can to make a Republican look bad.

:rolleyes:
Had no problem with Plume.

Lying assholes

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 04:25 PM
Ah, so they aren't just being charged for punching someone? Glad to see that's not getting in the way of anyone's outrage here.

So you are outraged a terrorist got punched and the man who punched him lied about it?


I can't believe liberal wusses anymore.

KCWolfman
11-24-2009, 04:25 PM
Not at all. Just because you'd rather listen to what Fox has to say about them doesn't mean they aren't a good paper.

Who says I listen to Fox?

jjjayb
11-24-2009, 05:20 PM
Tip Tap already schooled you guys on those emails.

I must have missed that. I heard him making a bunch of lame excuses, but nothing that could be even remotely considered "schooling".

petegz28
11-24-2009, 05:26 PM
I must have missed that. I heard him making a bunch of lame excuses, but nothing that could be even remotely considered "schooling".

By using the word "schooled", Native thinks you are to perceive what TT said in a manner other than you did.

Norman Einstein
11-24-2009, 05:27 PM
Did you read the article? One of the charges is making false official statement(s). So, the SEALs probably lied about roughing the terrorist up and got caught.

If they actually did rough up the terrorist and lied, so what. IMO they should have capped him to begin with.

Anyone out there that is capturing those assholes take note, they shoot horses don't they?

mlyonsd
11-24-2009, 06:29 PM
The guy in the front of the picture with his arm raised should have been the one the Seals tracked down.

Iowanian
11-24-2009, 06:51 PM
We should have cluster-bombed everything within 500 yards of that bridge.

RedNeckRaider
11-24-2009, 06:54 PM
We should have cluster-bombed everything within 500 yards of that bridge.

That is a damn fact! Worthless motherfuckers

Iowanian
11-24-2009, 06:59 PM
There have been several situations like that where we should have used scorched earth and assumed anyone within the blast zone of a daisy cutter was guilty.

Somalia.....numerous times in Iraq when they've been gathering around and celebrating our dead...

RedNeckRaider
11-24-2009, 07:01 PM
There have been several situations like that where we should have used scorched earth and assumed anyone within the blast zone of a daisy cutter was guilty.

Somalia.....numerous times in Iraq when they've been gathering around and celebrating our dead...

Oh we can't do that we would offend the gutless take it in the ass left!

Bill Parcells
11-24-2009, 07:09 PM
It's nice that the word of a murdering terrorist is taken over that of 4 Seals.


They should have probably done as he would have and beaten, murdered, burned and left him hanging from a bridge for the crowd to cheer.

The murdering terrorist showed his aclu card and that was that..after that the seals were in the wrong.

Easy 6
11-24-2009, 07:14 PM
Maybe one of you Planeteers who are Aces at writing formal letters, should start a petition for us. While it was a far different situation entirely, i'm pretty sure Warrior5's petition about Larry Johnson attracted not only the sportswriter worlds attention, but Chiefs mgmt. as well. We could atleast bring a little extra attention to this at the least.

While we're at it, we could start one for the 3 Army NCO's in jail for killing those smug, laughing insurgents & dumping them in the canal. Was it shady? IMO yes, can we have guys doing that whenever they want? no. Laws must rule, but these guys were being forced to play by some incredibly stupid rules... we keep treating our soldiers like this & pretty soon there will be noone left to fight for us.

I'll be the first signee.

Bwana
11-24-2009, 08:10 PM
We should have cluster-bombed everything within 500 yards of that bridge.

I agree 100%. Cheer this assholes...BOOM!

http://www.combataircraft.com/armament/cbu97.jpg

petegz28
11-24-2009, 08:29 PM
That is a damn fact! Worthless mother****ers

That was my biggest problem with Bush and Iraq. We went in there to play nice and not kick ass. We should have cordoned off Falujah and after a couple weekd leveled the fucking place and all who still remained.

Norman Einstein
11-24-2009, 09:58 PM
I agree 100%. Cheer this assholes...BOOM!

http://www.combataircraft.com/armament/cbu97.jpg

You mixed the weapons. The AUR is a SFW, but the blowup below is a Cluster Bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-97_Sensor_Fuzed_Weapon

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/cbu-87.htm

Both impressive weapons.

SFW is a bad MOFO. I think the links above both have at least one video showing the destruction. Either way it would be a good way to handle the problem.

Chief Henry
11-25-2009, 09:35 AM
Who are the people responsible for charging these Seals with this BS ?

Bwana
11-25-2009, 10:30 AM
You mixed the weapons. The AUR is a SFW, but the blowup below is a Cluster Bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-97_Sensor_Fuzed_Weapon

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/cbu-87.htm

Both impressive weapons.

SFW is a bad MOFO. I think the links above both have at least one video showing the destruction. Either way it would be a good way to handle the problem.

My bad.

They should drop BOTH to make sure the job gets done. :evil:

Mahammad: What that noise? It is, it is.........OH NOOOOOO!

BOOM!.........ROAD PIZZA

Norman Einstein
11-25-2009, 10:45 AM
My bad.

They should drop BOTH to make sure the job gets done. :evil:

Mahammad: What that noise? It is, it is.........OH NOOOOOO!

BOOM!.........ROAD PIZZA

No problem, I had just seen some video on the military channel and the actually had them confused as well. An officer corrected them while they were taping!

It looks like with the SFW you can't get in your armored vehicle, or non armored, and get away. With the cluster bomb it looks like you can't get away unless you are transfigured just before they start going off. 200' x 400' and you might not even be able to tell if they were human.

Donger
12-02-2009, 12:46 PM
:rolleyes: I'm sure they're facing charges because they just punched the guy.

JFC you guys are gullible as shit. With the hit and miss (emphasis on the miss) of Faux's journalistic quality, do you guys really believe this?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/11/25/navy.seals.falluja/index.html

Washington (CNN) -- Three U.S. Navy SEALs face criminal charges after the alleged mastermind of one of the most notorious crimes against Americans in Iraq accused them of punching him after his capture, the military said Wednesday.

Ahmed Hashim Abed -- thought to be behind the slayings and mutilation of four U.S. contractors in Falluja in 2004 and captured in summer -- made the accusations against the three servicemen, said Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, a spokeswoman for U.S. Central Command.

A civilian lawyer for one of three SEALs said his client and the other SEALs declined a nonjudicial resolution to the case, a step sometimes called a "captain's mast." The servicemen say they did not harm the detainee in any way and they want their names cleared in a court-martial so they can continue their careers in the Navy, said the attorney, Neil Puckett.

Because the charges against Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe and Petty Officer Julio Heurtas are the military equivalent of misdemeanors, they will go before a special court-martial, which is for less serious offenses than those heard in a general court-martial. If found guilty, they could be sentenced to a maximum of a year in a military prison, demotion to the lowest Navy rank, a cut in pay and a bad conduct discharge.

But if found innocent of all charges, they would be able to continue their careers with no record of the case in their personnel files.

The three SEALs are with their unit in Norfolk, Virginia. They will make an initial appearance before a military judge on December 7. The court-martial is scheduled to begin in January.

The attorney said he expects the SEALs will not waive their constitutional right to confront the accuser in court, which could cause a logistical challenge. Abed is believed to be in a U.S. military detention center overseas, and it is unclear if the military would want him brought to the United States for the court-martial.

The four contractors, one of whom was a former Navy SEAL, were working for the Blackwater company when they were attacked in Falluja in 2004. After they were killed with hand grenades and rifles, their bodies were set on fire and dragged through the streets. The bodies of two of them were hung from a bridge in Falluja, an image that was broadcast around the world.

Four days after the attack, the U.S. Marines launched a major offensive inside Falluja, in part to help find the killers.

tooge
12-02-2009, 12:52 PM
The Armed Forces must be having a difficult time recruting when the country they would be fighting for stands behind its soldiers like this.

Radar Chief
12-02-2009, 12:55 PM
I agree 100%. Cheer this assholes...BOOM!

http://www.combataircraft.com/armament/cbu97.jpg

Heh, I saw that on Future Weapons. Bad ass.
I guess one was actually dropped on a forward element of the Elite Republican Guard that some scouts ran into while first entering Baghdad and after watching what happened to the front half of the formation the back half decided it was better to surrender.

jjjayb
12-02-2009, 01:17 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/11/25/navy.seals.falluja/index.html

Washington (CNN) -- Three U.S. Navy SEALs face criminal charges after the alleged mastermind of one of the most notorious crimes against Americans in Iraq accused them of punching him after his capture, the military said Wednesday.

Ahmed Hashim Abed -- thought to be behind the slayings and mutilation of four U.S. contractors in Falluja in 2004 and captured in summer -- made the accusations against the three servicemen, said Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, a spokeswoman for U.S. Central Command.

A civilian lawyer for one of three SEALs said his client and the other SEALs declined a nonjudicial resolution to the case, a step sometimes called a "captain's mast." The servicemen say they did not harm the detainee in any way and they want their names cleared in a court-martial so they can continue their careers in the Navy, said the attorney, Neil Puckett.

Because the charges against Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe and Petty Officer Julio Heurtas are the military equivalent of misdemeanors, they will go before a special court-martial, which is for less serious offenses than those heard in a general court-martial. If found guilty, they could be sentenced to a maximum of a year in a military prison, demotion to the lowest Navy rank, a cut in pay and a bad conduct discharge.

But if found innocent of all charges, they would be able to continue their careers with no record of the case in their personnel files.

The three SEALs are with their unit in Norfolk, Virginia. They will make an initial appearance before a military judge on December 7. The court-martial is scheduled to begin in January.

The attorney said he expects the SEALs will not waive their constitutional right to confront the accuser in court, which could cause a logistical challenge. Abed is believed to be in a U.S. military detention center overseas, and it is unclear if the military would want him brought to the United States for the court-martial.

The four contractors, one of whom was a former Navy SEAL, were working for the Blackwater company when they were attacked in Falluja in 2004. After they were killed with hand grenades and rifles, their bodies were set on fire and dragged through the streets. The bodies of two of them were hung from a bridge in Falluja, an image that was broadcast around the world.

Four days after the attack, the U.S. Marines launched a major offensive inside Falluja, in part to help find the killers.

I guess he might believe this now that it's being reported on CNN. Or maybe not. After all, this link isn't from the non-biased NY Times.

KC native
12-02-2009, 02:22 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/11/25/navy.seals.falluja/index.html

Washington (CNN) -- Three U.S. Navy SEALs face criminal charges after the alleged mastermind of one of the most notorious crimes against Americans in Iraq accused them of punching him after his capture, the military said Wednesday.

Ahmed Hashim Abed -- thought to be behind the slayings and mutilation of four U.S. contractors in Falluja in 2004 and captured in summer -- made the accusations against the three servicemen, said Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, a spokeswoman for U.S. Central Command.

A civilian lawyer for one of three SEALs said his client and the other SEALs declined a nonjudicial resolution to the case, a step sometimes called a "captain's mast." The servicemen say they did not harm the detainee in any way and they want their names cleared in a court-martial so they can continue their careers in the Navy, said the attorney, Neil Puckett.

Because the charges against Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe and Petty Officer Julio Heurtas are the military equivalent of misdemeanors, they will go before a special court-martial, which is for less serious offenses than those heard in a general court-martial. If found guilty, they could be sentenced to a maximum of a year in a military prison, demotion to the lowest Navy rank, a cut in pay and a bad conduct discharge.

But if found innocent of all charges, they would be able to continue their careers with no record of the case in their personnel files.

The three SEALs are with their unit in Norfolk, Virginia. They will make an initial appearance before a military judge on December 7. The court-martial is scheduled to begin in January.

The attorney said he expects the SEALs will not waive their constitutional right to confront the accuser in court, which could cause a logistical challenge. Abed is believed to be in a U.S. military detention center overseas, and it is unclear if the military would want him brought to the United States for the court-martial.

The four contractors, one of whom was a former Navy SEAL, were working for the Blackwater company when they were attacked in Falluja in 2004. After they were killed with hand grenades and rifles, their bodies were set on fire and dragged through the streets. The bodies of two of them were hung from a bridge in Falluja, an image that was broadcast around the world.

Four days after the attack, the U.S. Marines launched a major offensive inside Falluja, in part to help find the killers.


well hey whatta ya know, fox actually got it right. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut somedays.

BIG_DADDY
12-02-2009, 02:28 PM
well hey whatta ya know, fox actually got it right. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut somedays.

Still hasn't said anything about what happened. Not another one of these guys.

Donger
12-02-2009, 02:33 PM
well hey whatta ya know, fox actually got it right. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut somedays.

So you still think there's more to this story than what Fox and CNN are reporting?

KC native
12-02-2009, 02:35 PM
So you still think there's more to this story than what Fox and CNN are reporting?

No

Donger
12-02-2009, 02:37 PM
No

Okay, and what do you think about what you wrote here:

I'm sure they're facing charges because they just punched the guy.

JFC you guys are gullible as shit. With the hit and miss (emphasis on the miss) of Faux's journalistic quality, do you guys really believe this?

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KC native
12-02-2009, 02:40 PM
Okay, and what do you think about what you wrote here:



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Well considering it's been confirmed somewhere else and had the details expanded then it is irrelevant. At the time I wrote that only Faux had the story up. Circumstances have changed somewhat, don't you think?

jjjayb
12-02-2009, 02:43 PM
well hey whatta ya know, fox actually got it right. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut somedays.


Too bad your sources for news are YET AGAIN a day late and a dollar short reporting this. I wonder why? But yeah, you go ahead and keep giving them your trust. But I'm sure they're right on top of the Tiger Woods, Brittney Spears, Michael Jackson story of the week for you though. ROFL

Donger
12-02-2009, 02:46 PM
Well considering it's been confirmed somewhere else and had the details expanded then it is irrelevant. At the time I wrote that only Faux had the story up. Circumstances have changed somewhat, don't you think?

Strange. You seemed to be calling everyone who dared to believe Fox News' scoop gullible. Is that not correct?

KC native
12-02-2009, 02:47 PM
Too bad your sources for news are YET AGAIN a day late and a dollar short reporting this. I wonder why? But yeah, you go ahead and keep giving them your trust.

Well, I know this is going to be hard to comprehend for a pea brain like yourself, but I'm more concerned with big picture issues such as the current state of our economy. I know this may seem important to the Murrrrican chest thumpers but this story is really small potatoes. These guys will more than likely be acquitted and return to service without any issues. The fact that they are facing charges is a little ridiculous but there's nothing I can do about it and there are much bigger issues to be concerned with.

Amnorix
12-02-2009, 02:47 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this kind of path is going to ruin us as a nation. Words cannot begin to describe the stupidity here.

KC native
12-02-2009, 02:49 PM
Strange. You seemed to be calling everyone who dared to believe Fox News' scoop gullible. Is that not correct?

Ah, that's funny. You act as if I was the only one who thought the story sounded outlandish.

BucEyedPea
12-02-2009, 02:50 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this kind of path is going to ruin us as a nation. Words cannot begin to describe the stupidity here.

But but but bunny turd from Calcountry says those who won't do that are trying to ruin us as a nation. ROFL We're already bankrupt!

Donger
12-02-2009, 02:54 PM
Ah, that's funny. You act as if I was the only one who thought the story sounded outlandish.

Not that it matters with respect to you being completely wrong on this story, but to whom else are you referring?

Chiefnj2
12-02-2009, 02:55 PM
Who exactly are people mad at in this case? The Seals in command above the three that completed the mission?

KC native
12-02-2009, 02:58 PM
I have to admit, this does sound incredible.

But then again, until a few months ago I'd have never dreamed we'd be reading our enemies in the field their Maranda rights or be trying a terrorist in a civil court...so color me gullible.

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Not that it matters with respect to you being completely wrong on this story, but to whom else are you referring?

BIG_DADDY
12-02-2009, 03:02 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this kind of path is going to ruin us as a nation. Words cannot begin to describe the stupidity here.

Talked to my sister at Thanksgiving after returning from her 4th tour of Iraq. She said the big problem now is they understand us and our PC bullshit. They mock us and laugh at us because they know we are weak, especially the Army. After Sadam we look like a bunch of sissy's running around with really cool weapons.

BTW what I said was a reflection of our leadership in the military, not our soldiers.

Donger
12-02-2009, 03:02 PM
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So, you thought there was more to the story because you didn't believe that our military would be so idiotic as to court martial a few SEALs for roughing up a terrorist?

KC native
12-02-2009, 03:14 PM
So, you thought there was more to the story because you didn't believe that our military would be so idiotic as to court martial a few SEALs for roughing up a terrorist?

Yes

jjjayb
12-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Well, I know this is going to be hard to comprehend for a pea brain like yourself, but I'm more concerned with big picture issues such as the current state of our economy. I know this may seem important to the Murrrrican chest thumpers but this story is really small potatoes. These guys will more than likely be acquitted and return to service without any issues. The fact that they are facing charges is a little ridiculous but there's nothing I can do about it and there are much bigger issues to be concerned with.

Yes. The issues like the gate crashers, who Tiger is having an affair with etc.. that your sources are too busy reporting on. I can see how those stories are MUCH bigger than U.S. Soldiers being charged with punching a most wanted terrorist while capturing him. That's not a big deal at all. :rolleyes:

But you go ahead and talk about my "pea brain" Einstein. Just how does this bad economy affect grown men living in their parent's basement anyway? Do they not buy you as much snacks?

KC native
12-02-2009, 03:20 PM
Yes. The issues like the gate crashers, who Tiger is having an affair with etc.. that your sources are too busy reporting on. I can see how those stories are MUCH bigger than U.S. Soldiers being charged with punching a most wanted terrorist while capturing him. That's not a big deal at all. :rolleyes:

But you go ahead and talk about my "pea brain" Einstein. Just how does this bad economy affect grown men living in their parent's basement anyway? Do they not buy you as much snacks?

Have you seen me waste anytime on any of those issues? I know it's hard for you to filter what you hear, see, and read but I don't have that problem.

Also, when did I become GoChiefs? I haven't lived at home since 18. Nice try though.

jjjayb
12-02-2009, 03:26 PM
Also, when did I become GoChiefs? I haven't lived at home since 18. Nice try though.

I guess the same day you called me a pea brain. But deflect all you want.

First, you said this probably wasn't true because it was only reported on Fox news. There HAD to be more to this story if Fox was the only one reporting on it. Now that you find out it's true, you say it's no big deal, and it's not worth anyone's time reporting on it.

And you call me the Pea Brain?

KC native
12-02-2009, 03:35 PM
I guess the same day you called me a pea brain. But deflect all you want.

First, you said this probably wasn't true because it was only reported on Fox news. There HAD to be more to this story if Fox was the only one reporting on it. Now that you find out it's true, you say it's no big deal, and it's not worth anyone's time reporting on it.

And you call me the Pea Brain?

Well, in the grand scheme of things, it really is a non-issue. These are ridiculous charges which will more than likely result in an acquittal.

The reason I though there was more to the story has already been answered. I didn't believe that our military would be stupid enough to just charge the soldiers for punching a terrorist. Turns out I was wrong. It happens. No one is right 100% of the time.

KCWolfman
12-02-2009, 06:45 PM
well hey whatta ya know, fox actually got it right. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut somedays.

So you were 100% wrong in your previous statement and that is all you have to offer?
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KCWolfman
12-02-2009, 06:47 PM
Well, in the grand scheme of things, it really is a non-issue. These are ridiculous charges which will more than likely result in an acquittal.

The reason I though there was more to the story has already been answered. I didn't believe that our military would be stupid enough to just charge the soldiers for punching a terrorist. Turns out I was wrong. It happens. No one is right 100% of the time.

The original charge was not assault. The Seals are real men and don't mind bringing the entire issue to light. They requested the military proceedings.
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DJ's left nut
12-03-2009, 09:45 AM
Good for the SEALs.

My guess is they probably got told they'd face a little extra PT and a slap on the wrist if they agreed to the Captain's Mast.

Rather than get scolded by a kangaroo court, they stood their ground and demanded the trial. That's incredibly honorable, IMO.

Kind of a pitfall for the military justice system - train men like this to stand on principle and adhere to a higher moral authority and you're unlikely to be able to railroad them when you get a hair in your ass.

Way to stand up for yourselves, Gentlemen.

Radar Chief
12-03-2009, 09:47 AM
Good for the SEALs.

My guess is they probably got told they'd face a little extra PT and a slap on the wrist if they agreed to the Captain's Mast.

Rather than get scolded by a kangaroo court, they stood their ground and demanded the trial. That's incredibly honorable, IMO.

Kind of a pitfall for the military justice system - train men like this to stand on principle and adhere to a higher moral authority and you're unlikely to be able to railroad them when you get a hair in your ass.

Way to stand up for yourselves, Gentlemen.

Agreed.

vailpass
12-03-2009, 09:49 AM
Good for the SEALs.

My guess is they probably got told they'd face a little extra PT and a slap on the wrist if they agreed to the Captain's Mast.

Rather than get scolded by a kangaroo court, they stood their ground and demanded the trial. That's incredibly honorable, IMO.

Kind of a pitfall for the military justice system - train men like this to stand on principle and adhere to a higher moral authority and you're unlikely to be able to railroad them when you get a hair in your ass.

Way to stand up for yourselves, Gentlemen.

Well said, 100% agreed.

The Mad Crapper
01-04-2010, 02:33 PM
Anybody have a picture or a link for Army Major General Charles Cleveland? He's the POS pursueing the charges.

T-post Tom
01-04-2010, 02:39 PM
Someone, somewhere needs to rewrite the fooking rules so this BS doesn't happen to our fighting men and women. Under the current rules, they would have been better off shooting the sick f*ck and saying he tried to escape. (Not that I'm endorsing that.) This is truly pathetic. I'd encourage everyone to write their political reps a pointed letter regarding this horrible travesty of justice. :cuss:

HonestChieffan
01-04-2010, 02:42 PM
Someone, somewhere needs to rewrite the fooking rules so this BS doesn't happen to our fighting men and women. Under the current rules, they would have been better off shooting the sick f*ck and saying he tried to escape. (Not that I'm endorsing that.) This is truly pathetic. I'd encourage everyone to write their political reps a pointed letter regarding this horrible travesty of justice. :cuss:

Hope and Change. Make a warrior into the scape goat

brorth
01-04-2010, 02:49 PM
Anybody have a picture or a link for Army Major General Charles Cleveland? He's the POS pursueing the charges.

I know it's not a pic or link, but you could always write a letter. That, or somebody better than me will come along with pics, links, his myspace profile and high school transcripts.

Major General Charles Cleveland (Army)
Commander, SOCCent
HQ USSOCOM
7701 Tampa Point Blvd
MacDill AFB, FL 33621

Calcountry
01-04-2010, 02:51 PM
This whole incident is just another example of Obama making our country weaker, on purpose.

The Mad Crapper
01-04-2010, 04:35 PM
I know it's not a pic or link, but you could always write a letter. That, or somebody better than me will come along with pics, links, his myspace profile and high school transcripts.

Major General Charles Cleveland (Army)
Commander, SOCCent
HQ USSOCOM
7701 Tampa Point Blvd
MacDill AFB, FL 33621

I'm just curious to see what this pencil pusher scumbag looks like.

The Mad Crapper
01-06-2010, 12:12 PM
This is a letter the jackass wrote to Sen Burton:

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/12/text-letter-maj-gen-cleveland-rep-burton