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Pestilence
11-30-2009, 01:03 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577945,00.html?test=latestnews

Man Forced to Choose Who to Save: Wife or Son
Monday, November 30, 2009

It is the choice no parent or spouse should ever have to make.

When New Zealand woman Vanessa Horton crashed her car into a river near the family home, her husband had to make the excruciating choice between saving her or resucing his son, who was trapped in the sinking car.

Silva Horton, 13, drowned in New Zealand's Whanganui River on Saturday night after the car, in which he was a front-seat passenger, came off the road and cartwheeled down a steep 32 foot bank into the water.

His father, Stacy, arrived from their nearby home in Whanganui, on North Island, less than two minutes after the crash to hear his wife screaming in the darkness and the family Mazda submerged, nose-down, three feet under the surface.

As his wife floundered in the water, Horton tried to dive down to the car to rescue his son, but said he could not reach the teenager.

"I tried to get down and get him but I couldn't, it was just too deep. And Vanessa was going under," Mr Horton told the Dominion Post newspaper.

"I made a call to pull my wife to safety. I looked back and I could see the tail-lights but it was too far and I couldn't get him," he said.

Demonpenz
11-30-2009, 01:04 PM
just imagine if he was a son of a bitch.

Boise_Chief
11-30-2009, 01:05 PM
wow, brutal

sedated
11-30-2009, 01:21 PM
sounds like something from this guy's playbook:

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Demonpenz
11-30-2009, 01:22 PM
Yahoo Serious?

Goldmember
11-30-2009, 01:23 PM
So he really didn't have a choice to make...he couldn't reach his son because the car was too deep and he couldn't have saved him anyway

allen_kcCard
11-30-2009, 01:26 PM
Call me a cold SOB, but to me the decision is easy, I would save my son hands down, no question. And I know my wife would never have forgiven me if I did save her and not him.

CoMoChief
11-30-2009, 01:29 PM
The bible says save/protect your wife first does it not?

I mean the Bible is full of lies made up stories and bullshit......

I dont know what I'd do.

Rain Man
11-30-2009, 01:29 PM
You know something that worries me occasionally? I'm going to be in a big train wreck or something and there'll be fire everywhere and I'll be unconscious amidst the other passengers, and who do you think the firemen are going to save first? They'll probably be stepping right over me to get to the kids and then again to the women and then again for any pets and then again for the old people, and I'm going to be the last one in line to get saved, because no one really cares about saving bald middle-aged men.

And when you think about that, it makes no sense. Bald middle-aged men probably disproportionately produce the tax revenues that fund police and fire positions. If those rescuers were thoughtful, I'd be in the first group to be saved. Kids? They're just going to create more work for police and fire by sticking forks in outlets and stuff, and truth be told it was probably a kid who caused the train wreck in the first place. Police and fire personnel need to be cognizant of this stuff when they're running into those overturned train cars.

SDChiefs
11-30-2009, 01:30 PM
I have never had a kid so I can't really say what I would do but I have been in love with a woman and I could not imagine a scenario where I would save anyones life over hers. I just hope to God I am never faced with that decision.

SDChiefs
11-30-2009, 01:31 PM
The bible says save/protect your wife first does it not?

I mean the Bible is full of lies made up stories and bullshit......

I dont know what I'd do.

Your wife can have another kid. The kid can't have another mother. Hospitals won't give you a choice in the matter. If there are complications during child birth, they will save the mother every time over the infant.

Rain Man
11-30-2009, 01:33 PM
I have never had a kid so I can't really say what I would do but I have been in love with a woman and I could not imagine a scenario where I would save anyones life over hers. I just hope to God I am never faced with that decision.


What if the other person is a heavily taxed business owner who disproportionately pays for public services?

Mr. Plow
11-30-2009, 01:34 PM
Call me a cold SOB, but to me the decision is easy, I would save my son hands down, no question. And I know my wife would never have forgiven me if I did save her and not him.


I would too and I would hope my wife would do the same. While still rather young at 32, I've lived a lot of life. Had my share of ups and downs - I want my kids to have that as well.

allen_kcCard
11-30-2009, 01:35 PM
I have never had a kid so I can't really say what I would do but I have been in love with a woman and I could not imagine a scenario where I would save anyones life over hers. I just hope to God I am never faced with that decision.

The only way I could think to put it into words is to take all of the best things about that woman, put them all into one package without any of the things you find even mildly unappealing and then multiply it by about 10.

Can't really explain it...even though I love my wife, the kids she and I have had together trumps that and makes it better at the same time. To tell the truth, as much as I would miss having her in my life, it would actually hurt me more that the kids lost her.

Mr. Plow
11-30-2009, 01:35 PM
Your wife can have another kid. The kid can't have another mother.


While I understand what you are saying, having another child does not replace a child lost.

Pestilence
11-30-2009, 01:36 PM
While I understand what you are saying, having another child does not replace a child lost.

This.

allen_kcCard
11-30-2009, 01:37 PM
Your wife can have another kid. The kid can't have another mother. Hospitals won't give you a choice in the matter. If there are complications during child birth, they will save the mother every time over the infant.

I think a lot of that is that is playing the odds. I there are complications during child birth, the child has a much higher risk of issues than the mother...if you choose the save the child you are also choosing more of a risk to lose both. Sad, but I think it is more of a hedging of bets.

Pants
11-30-2009, 01:38 PM
I have never had a kid so I can't really say what I would do but I have been in love with a woman and I could not imagine a scenario where I would save anyones life over hers. I just hope to God I am never faced with that decision.

Man, I haven't experienced either (true love for a woman or having a child). But I think at that age (13 years old), I'm definitely saving my child.

Now, if complications were to arise during birth, I would definitely save my wife. We can always make more babies... of course she'd probably end up hating me for life and never speaking to me again, but at least I'd be able to live with myself.

Pioli Zombie
11-30-2009, 01:38 PM
You know something that worries me occasionally? I'm going to be in a big train wreck or something and there'll be fire everywhere and I'll be unconscious amidst the other passengers, and who do you think the firemen are going to save first? They'll probably be stepping right over me to get to the kids and then again to the women and then again for any pets and then again for the old people, and I'm going to be the last one in line to get saved, because no one really cares about saving bald middle-aged men.

And when you think about that, it makes no sense. Bald middle-aged men probably disproportionately produce the tax revenues that fund police and fire positions. If those rescuers were thoughtful, I'd be in the first group to be saved. Kids? They're just going to create more work for police and fire by sticking forks in outlets and stuff, and truth be told it was probably a kid who caused the train wreck in the first place. Police and fire personnel need to be cognizant of this stuff when they're running into those overturned train cars.
George Costanza??
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Goldmember
11-30-2009, 01:38 PM
Kids? They're just going to create more work for police and fire by sticking forks in outlets and stuff, and truth be told it was probably a kid who caused the train wreck in the first place. Police and fire personnel need to be cognizant of this stuff when they're running into those overturned train cars.

LOL, ok George Castanza

The Rick
11-30-2009, 01:39 PM
Call me a cold SOB, but to me the decision is easy, I would save my son hands down, no question. And I know my wife would never have forgiven me if I did save her and not him.
Same here. I think both my wife and I would agree...save the kids before each other. I'd die to save my children, and I think she'd do the same.

Rain Man
11-30-2009, 01:39 PM
I think a lot of that is that is playing the odds. I there are complications during child birth, the child has a much higher risk of issues than the mother...if you choose the save the child you are also choosing more of a risk to lose both. Sad, but I think it is more of a hedging of bets.


People really should consult with alnorth or another certified actuary before attempting a rescue.

Pioli Zombie
11-30-2009, 01:42 PM
Sorry this is a no-brainer if you have an equal chance at saving one or the other. Its a parents duty to save the child. And any spouse who has a problem with that is a selfish parent. In fact, you are a selfish parent. You never think about anyone but yourself. You fuck up everybody's life and don't care who you hurt. I'm glad we are divorced! You are.....oh..wait.........sorry
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Donger
11-30-2009, 01:44 PM
I'd have gone after whichever one was closest to going under first, but I don't think that I'd have been able to see my car going under with my child still in it and alive. Nope. Pretty sure I die trying to save him/her.

Inspector
11-30-2009, 01:44 PM
You know something that worries me occasionally? I'm going to be in a big train wreck or something and there'll be fire everywhere and I'll be unconscious amidst the other passengers, and who do you think the firemen are going to save first? They'll probably be stepping right over me to get to the kids and then again to the women and then again for any pets and then again for the old people, and I'm going to be the last one in line to get saved, because no one really cares about saving bald middle-aged men.

And when you think about that, it makes no sense. Bald middle-aged men probably disproportionately produce the tax revenues that fund police and fire positions. If those rescuers were thoughtful, I'd be in the first group to be saved. Kids? They're just going to create more work for police and fire by sticking forks in outlets and stuff, and truth be told it was probably a kid who caused the train wreck in the first place. Police and fire personnel need to be cognizant of this stuff when they're running into those overturned train cars.

Thank God I'm not bald. I'll still be able to ride trains.

BigRedChief
11-30-2009, 01:47 PM
Call me a cold SOB, but to me the decision is easy, I would save my son hands down, no question. And I know my wife would never have forgiven me if I did save her and not him.
THIS. Easy decision. If it was turned around and it was me or the son I'd never be able to forgive her.

Inspector
11-30-2009, 01:47 PM
I'd have gone after whichever one was closest to going under first, but I don't think that I'd have been able to see my car going under with my child still in it and alive. Nope. Pretty sure I die trying to save him/her.

This.

(That's the first time I've done the "This" reply. Now I understand why everyone likes it so much.)

Jilly
11-30-2009, 01:47 PM
I'm a fighter and he knows that, but I doubt living life without my child is a fight I'd survive

Goldmember
11-30-2009, 01:48 PM
This.

(That's the first time I've done the "This" reply. Now I understand why everyone likes it so much.)

Some people don't like you doing "this"

Easy 6
11-30-2009, 01:51 PM
Gah, these stories are always killers, especially so near the holidays. I read one online today about a 74 year old grandmother who got out of her car to place flowers at a roadside memorial for her granddaughter who died in early Nov., yep, mowed down & killed by a pickup truck.

I cant say who i'd try to save, i dont see how anyone could without being in his shoes.

Lose/Lose.

Buddy Rich
11-30-2009, 01:52 PM
I would punch my wife as hard as I could for getting everyone in this mess and die trying to save my kid. I live for her.

Sully
11-30-2009, 01:54 PM
I'd die underwater in that situation.

Mr. Plow
11-30-2009, 01:54 PM
Some people don't like you doing "this"

Others like to do "THAT". So, we see a little bit of This and a little bit of That.

Jilly
11-30-2009, 01:58 PM
I'd die underwater in that situation.

yes, but you know what I'd want you to do....no way my life is more valuable than hers. I'm 33, she's 1.

DeezNutz
11-30-2009, 01:59 PM
The answer for all people should always be the child. Not close, really.

Rain Man
11-30-2009, 02:07 PM
I'd die underwater in that situation.

That would really annoy the two people waiting for you to make a decision.

Lumpy
11-30-2009, 02:07 PM
I would hope that my husband would do the right thing... save our son.

KCChiefsMan
11-30-2009, 03:51 PM
how do you drive into a river that is nearby your family home? You would have had to known it was there.

Rain Man
11-30-2009, 03:55 PM
how do you drive into a river that is nearby your family home? You would have had to known it was there.


On a related note, when I walk down my back staircase at home, I'll bump my head on a door frame at the bottom 1 time in every 500. Don't know why; for some reason I step just wrong where perhaps I go out a little further than normal before I descend that second-to-last step. It always hurts like heck and I always wonder if the other 499 times I miss it by a millimeter, or if there's something else going on that produces a bigger variation in motion. I need to film it sometime to see.

Fritz88
11-30-2009, 04:03 PM
The title is probably a little misleading.

He could not save his son because it was nearly impossible to do so.

Brock
11-30-2009, 04:06 PM
I'd die underwater in that situation.

So your whole family dies? Weird.

Goldmember
11-30-2009, 10:56 PM
On a related note, when I walk down my back staircase at home, I'll bump my head on a door frame at the bottom 1 time in every 500. Don't know why; for some reason I step just wrong where perhaps I go out a little further than normal before I descend that second-to-last step. It always hurts like heck and I always wonder if the other 499 times I miss it by a millimeter, or if there's something else going on that produces a bigger variation in motion. I need to film it sometime to see.

What if you bumped your head and knocked yourself out, your house catches on fire and your family steps over you on the way out? I guess you wouldn't have to worry about bumping your head anymore.

The Pedestrian
12-01-2009, 07:56 AM
The bible says save/protect your wife first does it not?

I mean the Bible is full of lies made up stories and bullshit......

I dont know what I'd do.

The Bible also says to protect the children--not just yours, but all of them--lest a millstone be hung around your neck and thrown into the river with you...which I'm sure the wife might do to her husband when she learns of being saved instead of the kid.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-01-2009, 08:52 AM
In that situation, I may pull my wife to shore first, but I would die trying to save either of my daughters.

If it were a clear choice, then it would be my children, and I would expect nothing less from my wife. In fact, if she had the same choice, and she chose me, I would never forgive her.

If you have never had a child, you can't know the way that you love a kid. Take every other love you've ever known and multiply it by a million.

When you are growing up, you dream about falling in love.... I got the girl of my dreams, and I love her today as I did when we got married.... and STILL, it pales in comparison to the love I have for my children. My love for my kids is unending, unconditional, and, frankly, illogical.

Rain Man
12-01-2009, 12:36 PM
What if you bumped your head and knocked yourself out, your house catches on fire and your family steps over you on the way out? I guess you wouldn't have to worry about bumping your head anymore.

Great. Another thing to worry about.

I think my family would drag me out, though. I produce a significant share of the family revenue, open jars, clean the bugs out of the light fixtures, and I also feed our cat. I think either my wife or my cat, and possibly both, would recognize my value and take action.