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Cannibal
12-01-2009, 09:13 AM
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/zombie_reagan_raised_from_grave?utm_source=slate_rss_1

BucEyedPea
12-01-2009, 09:43 AM
FDR still leads the Ds.

vailpass
12-01-2009, 10:04 AM
I wish.

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2009, 10:11 AM
FDR still leads the Ds.
Tis true...

The problem you and some others can't seem to get over though, is that most Americans embrace his approach too....if not all, or each, of the individual instances in which the government implements policies consistent with his approach.

Life must be, alternately, dull and maddening...in a universe so black and white.

We still love you though...

;)

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2009, 07:57 PM
Oh, and yeah....it's true. Too.

Bearcat2005
12-01-2009, 10:53 PM
Tis true...

The problem you and some others can't seem to get over though, is that most Americans embrace his approach too....if not all, or each, of the individual instances in which the government implements policies consistent with his approach.

Life must be, alternately, dull and maddening...in a universe so black and white.

We still love you though...

;)

I wasn't aware that most americans supported the Keyensian economic model.
Most americans are content with the sound institutions of Social Security and Fannie Mae that FDR put in place?

Sorry I prefer the more economically efficient model as opposed to a command economy approach.
I think you are taking great liberty when you comment that most americans "embrace" this approach. It may give you a warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the day but these market distortions produce greater harm in time then they do good.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Mr. Kotter
12-01-2009, 11:44 PM
I wasn't aware that most americans supported the Keyensian economic model.
Most americans are content with the sound institutions of Social Security and Fannie Mae that FDR put in place?

Sorry I prefer the more economically efficient model as opposed to a command economy approach.
I think you are taking great liberty when you comment that most americans "embrace" this approach. It may give you a warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the day but these market distortions produce greater harm in time then they do good.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If, in fact, that is your "awareness"...the fact is, you are misinformed. FWIW, you should check the polling on SS, generally. We keep electing politicians which support the FDR's basic approach. Hell, even Reagan himself was an FDR supporter. He only departed from FDR's approach in terms of the EXTENT to which we implement his ideas...

Every election we have an opportunity to repudiate "FDR's" approach; instead, we validate it by sending politicians to Washington and our state capitals which deliver us precisely what FDR offered....government solutions (however inefficient they may be, are preferable to alleged 'free market' or 'capitalist' approaches to problems--given the mitigating importance of market inequities and greed) to real problems.

Tis better to do something, than to piously and arrogantly proclaim "pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" or "rugged individualism serves us best!" or "let them eat cake!"

Ask Herbert Hoover, Alf Landon, George H.W. Bush (1992), or McCain....how that worked out for them....

No one wants government solutions as a first choice; but it's better than more of the same from a complacent and indifferent "free market" or "rugged individualism" persepective according to most Americans...at least according to our voting patterns.

:hmmm:

BucEyedPea
12-02-2009, 07:41 AM
Tis true...

The problem you and some others can't seem to get over though, is that most Americans embrace his approach too....if not all, or each, of the individual instances in which the government implements policies consistent with his approach.

Life must be, alternately, dull and maddening...in a universe so black and white.

We still love you though...

;)
My universe is far from black and white. Sounds like you're confused in that grey middle of yours. I've always given FDR credit for steering America through a war here. Polls show that they currently do not like more of this approach today. Besides my first post was just a cheeky quip back at the thread title. Geez! Read more into than is there and rent a sense of humour.

BucEyedPea
12-02-2009, 07:45 AM
I wasn't aware that most americans supported the Keyensian economic model.
Most americans are content with the sound institutions of Social Security and Fannie Mae that FDR put in place?

Sorry I prefer the more economically efficient model as opposed to a command economy approach.
I think you are taking great liberty when you comment that most americans "embrace" this approach. It may give you a warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the day but these market distortions produce greater harm in time then they do good.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Well when polls show only 11% think markets even work the whole partial socialism thing along with the dumbed-down education it provides would have a corrupting effect on the people. Much like the way the Soviets were educated into their system. Still, it's not like people would be incapable of seeing improved conditions should some new things be tried.

Besides, SS wasn't even my point about FDR it was about how he made the Depression last over ten years with his policies. He did a lot more than just SS. Nice results, 'eh?

Mr. Kotter
12-02-2009, 08:09 AM
Well when polls show only 11% think markets even work the whole partial socialism thing along with the dumbed-down education it provides would have a corrupting effect on the people. Much like the way the Soviets were educated into their system. Still, it's not like people would be incapable of seeing improved conditions should some new things be tried.

Besides, SS wasn't even my point about FDR it was about how he made the Depression last over ten years with his policies. He did a lot more than just SS. Nice results, 'eh?

The Depression and subsequent recovery are, indeed, a very complex matter.

Rest assured, though, Hoover and the country TRIED your approach....for three years--with disasterous results. So the hole FDR and Congress dug us out of, that was dug between 1929 and 1932....was a hole that can be blamed in very large part on the very "solution" you seem so fond of.

It's been said that doing what you've been doing, and expecting different results is....insanity. FDR's solution was not without flaws, but it beat insanity masquerading as a "solution."