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KCWolfman
12-11-2009, 12:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrPCUWWjh0c

This is a year old today.

We are down to 4 years before the polar ice cap is gone, per Gloomy Al.

I did give Al the benefit of the doubt until I heard him last night. He revised his statement to say the cap will be gone in 10 years instead of the 4 left from his original speech.

I am tired of this ridiculous game and the defense of the indefensible.

mlyonsd
12-11-2009, 06:47 AM
Meanwhile, the media just lets the song play on.

Chief Henry
12-11-2009, 07:30 AM
I think it was yesterday that I saw AlGore state that the polar ice caps would melt with
in the decade. I think it was on MSNBC noon hour show with Andrea Mitchell. She didn't even question him on that statement.

Can you imagine if Sara Barracuda would have said that. Dozens of news outlets would have had to fact check that :rolleyes:

KCWolfman
12-11-2009, 08:06 AM
I think it was yesterday that I saw AlGore state that the polar ice caps would melt with
in the decade. I think it was on MSNBC noon hour show with Andrea Mitchell. She didn't even question him on that statement.

Can you imagine if Sara Barracuda would have said that. Dozens of news outlets would have had to fact check that :rolleyes:

It was yesterday!! And the dumb bastard said the caps are already 40% melted.

Why do they let him rant without calling him out is beyond me.

Tiptap defended his statement about the temperature of the core of the Earth and I decided to give Al the benefit of the doubt and say he is just an impassioned idiot, but there is no way he can spout the above or that the "Earth's core is 2,000,000 degrees" without being a habitual liar.

mlyonsd
12-11-2009, 08:11 AM
All About the Numbers

We told you Wednesday about Al Gore's claim that those Climate-gate e-mails, which some experts say impugn global warming science, are dated, even though the most-recent was sent just last month. It turns out those aren't the only numbers the former vice president is having trouble with.

During a Nov. 12, 2009 appearance on "The Tonight Show," Gore had this to say about the Earth's core temperature: "Two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, because the interior of the Earth is extremely hot — several million degrees — and the crust of the Earth is hot."

But that is more like the temperature of the sun. The scientific consensus is that the Earth's core is several thousand degrees at its hottest.

Former NASA scientist Roy Spencer tells Fox: "If the Earth's temperature two kilometers down was 'several million degrees', we would be toast.

I hope Al Gore's other climate statistics aren't off by a factor of a thousand, also."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579975,00.html

Chief Henry
12-11-2009, 08:30 AM
It was yesterday!! And the dumb bastard said the caps are already 40% melted.

Why do they let him rant without calling him out is beyond me.

Tiptap defended his statement about the temperature of the core of the Earth and I decided to give Al the benefit of the doubt and say he is just an impassioned idiot, but there is no way he can spout the above or that the "Earth's core is 2,000,000 degrees" without being a habitual liar.

He's got ZERO credibilty on the subject and he's laughing all the way to the bank.

CoMoChief
12-11-2009, 09:47 AM
He's a piece of shit.

I've posted this in another thread.....It pays to go Green!!!

After his fallout with the 2000 election, Gore's net worth was only about $800k

Then came in his bogus global warming documentary and IPCC groups from the UN and all of a sudden he's winning nobel prizes and Academy Awards, suddently his net worth is about $100M

Making money off of crock of shit lies.

Saul Good
12-11-2009, 10:16 AM
Can you really blame him? If I owned a business that sold muffler bearings, I'd try to convince the world that, without muffler bearings, the world would come to an end.

Chief Henry
12-11-2009, 12:34 PM
Can you really blame him? If I owned a business that sold muffler bearings, I'd try to convince the world that, without muffler bearings, the world would come to an end.

The news media would at least fact check the muffler bearings.

AlGORE said the polar ICE CAPS would MELT with in the decade !!! :eek: Will that be fact checked ?

orange
12-11-2009, 01:11 PM
Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up

Scientists warn that the North Pole could be free of ice in just five years' time instead of 60

Robin McKie, science editor

The Observer,
Sunday August 10 2008

Ice at the North Pole melted at an unprecedented rate last week, with leading scientists warning that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer by 2013.

Satellite images show that ice caps started to disintegrate dramatically several days ago as storms over Alaska's Beaufort Sea began sucking streams of warm air into the Arctic.

As a result, scientists say that the disappearance of sea ice at the North Pole could exceed last year's record loss. More than a million square kilometres melted over the summer of 2007 as global warming tightened its grip on the Arctic. But such destruction could now be matched, or even topped, this year.

'It is a neck-and-neck race between 2007 and this year over the issue of ice loss,' said Mark Serreze, of the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Boulder, Colorado. 'We thought Arctic ice cover might recover after last year's unprecedented melting - and indeed the picture didn't look too bad last month. Cover was significantly below normal, but at least it was up on last year.

'But the Beaufort Sea storms triggered steep ice losses and it now looks as if it will be a very close call indeed whether 2007 or 2008 is the worst year on record for ice cover over the Arctic. We will only find out when the cover reaches its minimum in mid-September.'

This startling loss of Arctic sea ice has major meteorological, environmental and ecological implications. The region acts like a giant refrigerator that has a strong effect on the northern hemisphere's meteorology. Without its cooling influence, weather patterns will be badly disrupted, including storms set to sweep over Britain.

At the same time, creatures such as polar bears and seals - which use sea ice for hunting and resting - face major threats. Similarly, coastlines will no longer be insulated by ice from wave damage and will suffer erosion, as is already happening in Alaska.

Other environmental changes are likely to follow. Without sea ice to bolster them, land ice - including glaciers - could topple into the ocean and raise global sea levels, threatening many low-lying areas, including Bangladesh and scores of Pacific islands. In addition, the disappearance of reflective ice over the Arctic means that solar radiation would no longer be bounced back into space, thus heating the planet even further.

On top of these issues, there are fears that water released by the melting caps will disrupt the Gulf Stream, while an ice-free Arctic in summer offers new opportunities for oil and gas drilling there - and for political disputes over territorial rights.

What really unsettles scientists, however, is their inability to forecast precisely what is happening in the Arctic, the part of the world most vulnerable to the effects of global warming. 'When we did the first climate change computer models, we thought the Arctic's summer ice cover would last until around 2070,' said Professor Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University. 'It is now clear we did not understand how thin the ice cap had already become - for Arctic ice cover has since been disappearing at ever increasing rates. Every few years we have to revise our estimates downwards. Now the most detailed computer models suggest the Arctic's summer ice is going to last for only a few more years - and given what we have seen happen last week, I think they are probably correct.'

The most important of these computer studies of ice cover was carried out a few months ago by Professor Wieslaw Maslowski of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. Using US navy supercomputers, his team produced a forecast which indicated that by 2013 there will be no ice in the Arctic - other than a few outcrops on islands near Greenland and Canada - between mid-July and mid-September.

'It does not really matter whether 2007 or 2008 is the worst year on record for Arctic ice,' Maslowski said. 'The crucial point is that ice is clearly not building up enough over winter to restore cover and that when you combine current estimates of ice thickness with the extent of the ice cap, you get a very clear indication that the Arctic is going to be ice-free in summer in five years. And when that happens, there will be consequences.'

This point was backed by Serreze. 'The trouble is that sea ice is now disappearing from the Arctic faster than our ability to develop new computer models and to understand what is happening there. We always knew it would be the first region on Earth to feel the impact of climate change, but not at anything like this speed. What is happening now indicates that global warming is occurring far earlier than any of us expected.'

Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up ? The question that needs to be deliberated on is 'what consequence will stem from the subsequent and undoubted albedo effect' ???
Blair Anderson ‹(•¿•)›
ph (643) 389 4065 cell 027 265 7219

http://blairformayor.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html


Also:

Open water now stretches all the way round the Arctic, making it possible for the first time in human history to circumnavigate the North Pole, The Independent on Sunday can reveal. New satellite images, taken only two days ago, show that melting ice last week opened up both the fabled North-west and North-east passages, in the most important geographical landmark to date to signal the unexpectedly rapid progress of global warming.

Last night Professor Mark Serreze, a sea ice specialist at the official US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), hailed the publication of the images – on an obscure website by scientists at the University of Bremen, Germany – as "a historic event", and said that it provided further evidence that the Arctic icecap may now have entered a "death spiral". Some scientists predict that it could vanish altogether in summer within five years, a process that would, in itself, greatly accelerate.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/for-the-first-time-in-human-history-the-north-pole-can-be-circumnavigated-913924.html




Dramatic climate changes in the Arctic are sending an unmistakable signal that global warming is advancing much more rapidly on Earth than scientists thought. Many now say that the time to deal with the crisis is rapidly running short.

The Arctic, which plays a vital role in keeping the Earth cool, is having trouble keeping its own cool. Scientists have assembled a mountain of incontrovertible evidence that warming is fundamentally, rapidly changing the Arctic, none clearer than the retreat of its late-summer sea ice, triggered by air temperatures that have been rising at twice the rate as the rest of the planet. And the retreat is accelerating.

Until recently, climate models published by the U.N. International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) have predicted a complete retreat of the late- summer sea ice by the end of this century. But the IPCC’s models may need drastic revision, as a number of scientists now think the ice could disappear as soon as the next decade. Species that depend on the ice for their subsistence and survival — including humans, polar bears, walruses and ice seals — are facing significant disruptions in their lives.

...

But now, at these and other federal agencies, such as National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the U.S. Geological Survey, government scientists are among world leaders in climate change research, and are no longer reluctant to speak out. “There continues to be widespread and, in some cases, dramatic evidence of an overall warming of the Arctic system,” said NOAA in its third annual “Arctic Report Card” released in October 2008, a synthesis of hundreds of peer-reviewed papers published since 2000, including dozens of papers from just the last year.

http://www.times.org/archives/2009/harsh1.html




Some scientists say that Arctic summers might be ice-free within the next decade. Oceanographer Wieslaw Maslowski of the Naval Post-Graduate School spoke to EarthSky about an accelerating melting of ‘multi-year ice.’ That’s thick, old ice that didn’t used to melt from season to season.

Wieslaw Maslowski: We’re suggesting that sometime between 2010 and 2016, we might melt all this multi-year ice cover during summer in the Arctic.

http://www.earthsky.org/interviewpost/earth/ice-free-arctic-summers-within-a-decade




A NASA satellite has revealed more accurately than ever that polar ice in Antarctica and Greenland is melting from glaciers and ice sheets far faster than scientists had previously thought, a discovery that one UC Berkeley climate expert calls "ominous and distressing."

Using a laser aboard an orbiting spacecraft that precisely measures minute changes in the thickness of glaciers and ice sheets, scientists with the British Antarctic Survey calculate that along the coast of West Antarctica's Amundsen Sea, for example, the massive Pine Island glacier and two others thinned by nearly 30 feet a year from 2003 to 2007, 50 percent faster than the glacier's thinning rate between 1995 and 2003.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/23/MNMM19R00D.DTL#ixzz0ZPgW52QH

headsnap
12-11-2009, 01:25 PM
WOLF!!!!!!!!

fyp

Chief Henry
12-11-2009, 01:31 PM
Orange, do you really believe what you just posted ? If you do, how about a small
wager on that ? The polar ice caps will be ice free by summer of 2013.

$100 to our favorite charity

BucEyedPea
12-11-2009, 01:42 PM
So what if the Polar Ice Caps are gone! I mean North America was once under a glacier with no trees. Now we have trees. There's been so many changes on this planet including continents moving apart and millions of species destroyed replaced with different ones. Can't anyone deal with change anymore? Nothing stays the same forever.

orange
12-11-2009, 01:55 PM
Orange, do you really believe what you just posted ? If you do, how about a small
wager on that ? The polar ice caps will be ice free by summer of 2013.

$100 to our favorite charity


I would be happy to make that bet with somebody I respected - not you, Squaw. You've already demonstrated you're a chicken-shit in your neg-reps.

Ooooh, I feel another one coming! This one I've earned, though.

kcfanXIII
12-11-2009, 01:56 PM
Orange, do you really believe what you just posted ? If you do, how about a small
wager on that ? The polar ice caps will be ice free by summer of 2013.

$100 to our favorite charity

or better yet, if he so sure, why not offer to cover our nation's projected costs if the copenhagen climate treaty is signed and we still have ice in the arctic in 4 years? that kind of cash will make you wonder if these "scientists" aren't more like al gore and the cru, than actual "scientists."

jjjayb
12-11-2009, 01:56 PM
Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up

Scientists warn that the North Pole could be free of ice in just five years' time instead of 60

Robin McKie, science editor

The Observer,
Sunday August 10 2008

Ice at the North Pole melted at an unprecedented rate last week, with leading scientists warning that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer by 2013.

Satellite images show that ice caps started to disintegrate dramatically several days ago as storms over Alaska's Beaufort Sea began sucking streams of warm air into the Arctic.

As a result, scientists say that the disappearance of sea ice at the North Pole could exceed last year's record loss. More than a million square kilometres melted over the summer of 2007 as global warming tightened its grip on the Arctic. But such destruction could now be matched, or even topped, this year.

'It is a neck-and-neck race between 2007 and this year over the issue of ice loss,' said Mark Serreze, of the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Boulder, Colorado. 'We thought Arctic ice cover might recover after last year's unprecedented melting - and indeed the picture didn't look too bad last month. Cover was significantly below normal, but at least it was up on last year.

'But the Beaufort Sea storms triggered steep ice losses and it now looks as if it will be a very close call indeed whether 2007 or 2008 is the worst year on record for ice cover over the Arctic. We will only find out when the cover reaches its minimum in mid-September.'

This startling loss of Arctic sea ice has major meteorological, environmental and ecological implications. The region acts like a giant refrigerator that has a strong effect on the northern hemisphere's meteorology. Without its cooling influence, weather patterns will be badly disrupted, including storms set to sweep over Britain.

At the same time, creatures such as polar bears and seals - which use sea ice for hunting and resting - face major threats. Similarly, coastlines will no longer be insulated by ice from wave damage and will suffer erosion, as is already happening in Alaska.

Other environmental changes are likely to follow. Without sea ice to bolster them, land ice - including glaciers - could topple into the ocean and raise global sea levels, threatening many low-lying areas, including Bangladesh and scores of Pacific islands. In addition, the disappearance of reflective ice over the Arctic means that solar radiation would no longer be bounced back into space, thus heating the planet even further.

On top of these issues, there are fears that water released by the melting caps will disrupt the Gulf Stream, while an ice-free Arctic in summer offers new opportunities for oil and gas drilling there - and for political disputes over territorial rights.

What really unsettles scientists, however, is their inability to forecast precisely what is happening in the Arctic, the part of the world most vulnerable to the effects of global warming. 'When we did the first climate change computer models, we thought the Arctic's summer ice cover would last until around 2070,' said Professor Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University. 'It is now clear we did not understand how thin the ice cap had already become - for Arctic ice cover has since been disappearing at ever increasing rates. Every few years we have to revise our estimates downwards. Now the most detailed computer models suggest the Arctic's summer ice is going to last for only a few more years - and given what we have seen happen last week, I think they are probably correct.'

The most important of these computer studies of ice cover was carried out a few months ago by Professor Wieslaw Maslowski of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. Using US navy supercomputers, his team produced a forecast which indicated that by 2013 there will be no ice in the Arctic - other than a few outcrops on islands near Greenland and Canada - between mid-July and mid-September.

'It does not really matter whether 2007 or 2008 is the worst year on record for Arctic ice,' Maslowski said. 'The crucial point is that ice is clearly not building up enough over winter to restore cover and that when you combine current estimates of ice thickness with the extent of the ice cap, you get a very clear indication that the Arctic is going to be ice-free in summer in five years. And when that happens, there will be consequences.'

This point was backed by Serreze. 'The trouble is that sea ice is now disappearing from the Arctic faster than our ability to develop new computer models and to understand what is happening there. We always knew it would be the first region on Earth to feel the impact of climate change, but not at anything like this speed. What is happening now indicates that global warming is occurring far earlier than any of us expected.'

Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up ? The question that needs to be deliberated on is 'what consequence will stem from the subsequent and undoubted albedo effect' ???
Blair Anderson ‹(•¿•)›
ph (643) 389 4065 cell 027 265 7219

http://blairformayor.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html


Also:

Open water now stretches all the way round the Arctic, making it possible for the first time in human history to circumnavigate the North Pole, The Independent on Sunday can reveal. New satellite images, taken only two days ago, show that melting ice last week opened up both the fabled North-west and North-east passages, in the most important geographical landmark to date to signal the unexpectedly rapid progress of global warming.

Last night Professor Mark Serreze, a sea ice specialist at the official US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), hailed the publication of the images – on an obscure website by scientists at the University of Bremen, Germany – as "a historic event", and said that it provided further evidence that the Arctic icecap may now have entered a "death spiral". Some scientists predict that it could vanish altogether in summer within five years, a process that would, in itself, greatly accelerate.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/for-the-first-time-in-human-history-the-north-pole-can-be-circumnavigated-913924.html




Dramatic climate changes in the Arctic are sending an unmistakable signal that global warming is advancing much more rapidly on Earth than scientists thought. Many now say that the time to deal with the crisis is rapidly running short.

The Arctic, which plays a vital role in keeping the Earth cool, is having trouble keeping its own cool. Scientists have assembled a mountain of incontrovertible evidence that warming is fundamentally, rapidly changing the Arctic, none clearer than the retreat of its late-summer sea ice, triggered by air temperatures that have been rising at twice the rate as the rest of the planet. And the retreat is accelerating.

Until recently, climate models published by the U.N. International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) have predicted a complete retreat of the late- summer sea ice by the end of this century. But the IPCC’s models may need drastic revision, as a number of scientists now think the ice could disappear as soon as the next decade. Species that depend on the ice for their subsistence and survival — including humans, polar bears, walruses and ice seals — are facing significant disruptions in their lives.

...

But now, at these and other federal agencies, such as National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the U.S. Geological Survey, government scientists are among world leaders in climate change research, and are no longer reluctant to speak out. “There continues to be widespread and, in some cases, dramatic evidence of an overall warming of the Arctic system,” said NOAA in its third annual “Arctic Report Card” released in October 2008, a synthesis of hundreds of peer-reviewed papers published since 2000, including dozens of papers from just the last year.

http://www.times.org/archives/2009/harsh1.html




Some scientists say that Arctic summers might be ice-free within the next decade. Oceanographer Wieslaw Maslowski of the Naval Post-Graduate School spoke to EarthSky about an accelerating melting of ‘multi-year ice.’ That’s thick, old ice that didn’t used to melt from season to season.

Wieslaw Maslowski: We’re suggesting that sometime between 2010 and 2016, we might melt all this multi-year ice cover during summer in the Arctic.

http://www.earthsky.org/interviewpost/earth/ice-free-arctic-summers-within-a-decade




A NASA satellite has revealed more accurately than ever that polar ice in Antarctica and Greenland is melting from glaciers and ice sheets far faster than scientists had previously thought, a discovery that one UC Berkeley climate expert calls "ominous and distressing."

Using a laser aboard an orbiting spacecraft that precisely measures minute changes in the thickness of glaciers and ice sheets, scientists with the British Antarctic Survey calculate that along the coast of West Antarctica's Amundsen Sea, for example, the massive Pine Island glacier and two others thinned by nearly 30 feet a year from 2003 to 2007, 50 percent faster than the glacier's thinning rate between 1995 and 2003.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/23/MNMM19R00D.DTL#ixzz0ZPgW52QH

Thanks for proving the point Orange. As was said, it was a year ago that they were saying the ice caps would be gone in 5 years. A year later.....The ice caps will be gone in 10 years!

This is just like EVERY other doomsday prophecy. BULLSHIT. It never happens, the date keeps getting revised and people still keep drinking the frigging koolaid. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on you. Will you never learn?

orange
12-11-2009, 01:58 PM
or better yet, if he so sure, why not offer to cover our nation's projected costs if the copenhagen climate treaty is signed and we still have ice in the arctic in 4 years? that kind of cash will make you wonder if these "scientists" aren't more like al gore and the cru, than actual "scientists."

Oh yeah - I'll take it out of petty cash! ROFL

kcfanXIII
12-11-2009, 02:02 PM
Oh yeah - I'll take it out of petty cash! ROFL

so you don't feel confident enough to wager your own money, but you will wager america's money on it... interesting...

orange
12-11-2009, 02:08 PM
so you don't feel confident enough to wager your own money, but you will wager america's money on it... interesting...


First off, you're just wrong. I said I WOULD BET MY MONEY.

As for offering to cover "our nation's projected costs" - that offer would be utterly farcical and meaningless. Get your head out of the clouds.

BIG_DADDY
12-11-2009, 02:11 PM
I would be happy to make that bet with somebody I respected - not you, Squaw. You've already demonstrated you're a chicken-shit in your neg-reps.

Ooooh, I feel another one coming! This one I've earned, though.

OK, I'll bet you.

mikey23545
12-11-2009, 02:25 PM
Scientists using a network of ground sensors emplaced in Antarctica say that NASA satellites have overestimated the amount of ice that is melting and running off into the ocean from the polar continent.

The new results come from the West Antarctic GPS Network (WAGN), which uses 18 locator stations “bolted to bedrock outcrops” in the Western antarctic to discover “ground truth” regarding the phenomenon of “postglacial rebound”, where the bedrock lifts as the mile-thick ice sheet atop it diminishes.

Postglacial rebound is important, as NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellites estimate ice loss by measuring regional gravitational forces as they fly overhead. Both ice loss and bedrock rebound contribute to GRACE grav-scan readings, and according to the WAGN measurements, rebound figures used to estimate ice loss have now been shown to be wrong.

“The take home message is that Antarctica is contributing to rising sea levels. It is the rate that is unclear,” says Ian Dalziel, lead investigator for WAGN.

The WAGN boffins say they are sure that recent figures for ice loss calculated from GRACE readings have been overestimated, but they are not yet sure by how much. However, they say that there is no dispute about the fact that ice is disappearing from the antarctic sheet - this process has been underway for 20,000 years, since the thickness peaked during the last “glacial maximum”.

“The published results are very important because they provide precise, ground-truth GPS observations of the actual rebound of the continent,” said Vladimir Papitashvili of the Antarctic Earth Sciences Program at the National Science Foundation, which supported the research.

The results are given in the paper Geodetic Measurements of Vertical Crustal Velocity in West Antarctica and the Implications for Ice Mass Balance, published here in the journal Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems . There’s also some layman-level exposition from Texas uni here.

http://www.skepticsglobalwarming.com/?p=19930

Chief Henry
12-11-2009, 02:31 PM
I would be happy to make that bet with somebody I respected - not you, Squaw. You've already demonstrated you're a chicken-shit in your neg-reps.

Ooooh, I feel another one coming! This one I've earned, though.


Can't quit own up to that prediction by your main man ALGore can you ?
We've learned alot about you this afternoon Orange.

orange
12-11-2009, 02:38 PM
OK, I'll bet you.

You'll bet me what?

Be precise.

And of course, we're talking about the NORTH pole, right? Others here seem to want to throw Antarctica into it.

And does EVERY SPECK of ice have to be gone or you won't pay up?

And who will you accept as an authority since you won't accept the leading polar scientists I've quoted above?

etc.

KCWolfman
12-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Thanks for proving the point Orange. As was said, it was a year ago that they were saying the ice caps would be gone in 5 years. A year later.....The ice caps will be gone in 10 years!

This is just like EVERY other doomsday prophecy. BULLSHIT. It never happens, the date keeps getting revised and people still keep drinking the frigging koolaid. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on you. Will you never learn?

Exactly. We were lied to about ice ages. We were lied to about oil being completely gone in 30 years. Now we have moved from 4 years to 10 years on the ice caps beung completely gone.

This is like a bad horror movie where you don't see the creature until the last 5 minutes. Has any libby defending the notion ever noticed the doom is always just around the corner but never really happens?
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RedNeckRaider
12-11-2009, 05:05 PM
Exactly. We were lied to about ice ages. We were lied to about oil being completely gone in 30 years. Now we have moved from 4 years to 10 years on the ice caps beung completely gone.

This is like a bad horror movie where you don't see the creature until the last 5 minutes. Has any libby defending the notion ever noticed the doom is always just around the corner but never really happens?
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Sadly this as become a country of sheep. Winston Smith is my hero~

Saul Good
12-11-2009, 05:25 PM
Can we rank the importance of doomsday threats just so I'm clear?

Acid rain
Hole in the ozone layer
Global warming
Global cooling
Terrorism
Christians clinging to God and guns

kcfanXIII
12-12-2009, 03:36 PM
Can we rank the importance of doomsday threats just so I'm clear?

Acid rain
Hole in the ozone layer
Global warming
Global cooling
Terrorism
Christians clinging to God and guns

oh, don't forget the swine flu zombie plague that is imminent.

Guru
12-12-2009, 10:02 PM
this shit again