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RINGLEADER
01-12-2010, 11:04 PM
Seems the Obama braintrust can't quite figure out what's going on...but they know it's certainly not their fault...

ROFL

White House political adviser David Axelrod granted an interview to Ron Brownstein of National Journal that qualifies as either hyper-spin or an almost clinical state of denial. For example, Axelrod tells Brownstein, “It’s almost impossible to win a referendum on yourself. And the Republicans would like this to be a referendum. It’s not going to be a referendum.”

Yes it will. When a political party controls the presidency and, by wide margins, the House and the Senate, the midterm election will be a referendum on the stewardship of that party. There’s no way to get around that. What’s particularly revealing is that Axelrod and his colleagues, rather than welcoming a referendum on their year in office, are terribly afraid of it. They know that if the dominant issues of the 2010 midterm election are how well Democrats have governed, they will absorb tremendous damage.

Axelrod makes this point in a slightly different way when he says:

If the question is what we’ve been able to achieve, which I think is substantial, versus the ideal of what people hope for or hoped for, that’s a harder race for us. If the choice is between the things we’ve achieved and we’re fighting for and what the other side would deliver, I think that’s very motivational to people.

In other words, if people measure us against perfection, we will fall short. But people won’t be measuring Obama and Democrats against perfection; they will be measuring him/them against the standards Obama set up — for example, insisting that unemployment would not exceed 8 percent in 2009 (it is now 10 percent); that the stimulus package would “create or save” 3.5 million jobs over the course of two years (2.8 million jobs have been lost since it was signed into law); that the deficit and debt would go down on his watch (Obama’s budget will double the debt in five years and triple it in 10 years); and so forth.
Mr. Axelrod also tells Brownstein that next on his checklist is “finish this health care bill successfully.” And after that? “Then we have to go out and sell it. I think we can run on this.”

The problem is that the president has been trying to “sell” ObamaCare for more than half a year. He has spoken out on its behalf repeatedly and in every forum imaginable. And the more Obama attempts to sell the Democrats’ health-care plan, the more unpopular it becomes. After a prolonged and intense debate on this issue, here’s what they have to show for it: “The president’s marks on handling health care, with reforms still under debate in Congress, are even lower [than his overall job approval rating of 46 percent] — just 36 percent approve, while 54 percent disapprove,” according to the latest CBS News poll. “Both of these approval ratings are the lowest of Mr. Obama’s presidency.”

If Axelrod and the Obama White House really believe the problem here is with their sales job rather than with the product they are trying to sell, then they are living in an alternative universe. ObamaCare is responsible in large measure for the devastating Democratic losses in the Virginia and New Jersey governors races. The political environment is so bad right now that even Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat is viewed by Republicans and Democrats as endangered. This is a remarkable political development.

Finally, Mr. Axelrod says this:

In certain ways we are at the mercy of forces that are larger than things we can control. If we see steady months of jobs growth between now and next November, I think the picture will be different than if we don’t. I think Ronald Reagan learned that lesson in 1982. We’re not immune to the physics of all of this. But I’m guardedly optimistic that we are going to see that progress.

Here’s a pretty good rule of thumb: when senior White House political advisers begin to use phrases like “we are at the mercy of forces that are larger than we can control” and “we’re not immune to the physics of all this,” you can assume they are in deep trouble. That is especially the case for those who work for a president who proclaimed that his victory would mark the moment “when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

Now Obama and Axelrod portray themselves like corks in the ocean. They invoke the laws of physics to explain why unemployment is in double digits. It turns out it is a quick journey from political messianism to political fatalism.

Axelrod’s words are a revealing (if unwitting) concession: he and his colleagues understand that they are overmatched by events and, in office for less than a year, they are scrambling to find excuses for the problems they face. But the fault, dear David, is not in the stars, but in yourselves. There will be a high political price to pay for this — perhaps starting next week but almost certainly by next November.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/215956

BucEyedPea
01-13-2010, 08:46 AM
we are at the mercy of forces that are larger than we can control” and “we’re not immune to the physics of all this,” ...
The party of utopia and central planning is admitting they cannot control the economy or the weather? Wow! The first stage of changing oneself is admitting what you can and can't do. There's a silver lining for us.

Question is when will they realize that money just doesn't appear or grow on trees but is the result of production and exchange of what one produces? That will really put this country on the road to recovery. If only......

HonestChieffan
01-13-2010, 09:24 AM
Public distrust of all things government is growing by day. Its an awakening that people are finally seeing that government beyond the very basics is non productive at best and at worst counterproductive.

Good enough for government work is not a myth, its a lifestyle.

RINGLEADER
01-13-2010, 11:15 AM
The party of utopia and central planning is admitting they cannot control the economy or the weather? Wow! The first stage of changing oneself is admitting what you can and can't do. There's a silver lining for us.

Question is when will they realize that money just doesn't appear or grow on trees but is the result of production and exchange of what one produces? That will really put this country on the road to recovery. If only......

Read an article quoting an admin hack who has trumpeting the fact that the treasury made a profit! That's how clueless they are -- they print money to buy their own treasuries then count the interest earned on their own product as a "profit".

For awhile I thought they knew EXACTLY what they were doing but I'm starting to believe that they really are stupid when it comes to how the economy works.

Reminded me of a friend who went to Russia right after the commies lost and helped a man who was operating a radio station in a small town. He was amazed at how they didn't get the basic concepts of the free market. The Russian wanted to build another radio station and his business plan showed that the second station in this one-station town would magically have the same listenership as the first (and only) one. My friend talked for hours and couldn't get the Russian to understand that by building another station they're going to split their existing audience -- not grow another one!

It's completely alien to them, like speaking a foreign language.

RINGLEADER
01-13-2010, 11:19 AM
Public distrust of all things government is growing by day. Its an awakening that people are finally seeing that government beyond the very basics is non productive at best and at worst counterproductive.

Good enough for government work is not a myth, its a lifestyle.


I had this discussion with a hardcore Obama supporter. I asked him how many government jobs create new jobs and if the use of the $787 billion wouldn't have been better spent sending to business (that at least has a shot at creating jobs that are not only self-sustaining but can grow and expand into more than the one job originally funded).

Of course he fell back on the "we had to do something" and "Bush tried tax cuts and look where it got us" lines -- overlooking the fact that the problems in the economy had little to do with what Bush tax policy.

Calcountry
01-13-2010, 01:04 PM
Do do do do doo , babe, I got you babe.

JohnnyV13
01-13-2010, 07:03 PM
Question is when will they realize that money just doesn't appear or grow on trees but is the result of production and exchange of what one produces?

Wait a minute!!! Mainstream economic theory ties the money supply to economic production!

In fact, how many products your economy produces has NOTHING to do with proper monetary theory, instead it depends on how much gold you can dig up from the ground.

You really need to do some remedial reading on the Economic Gospel of Ron Paul.

Calcountry
01-14-2010, 12:45 PM
Wait a minute!!! Mainstream economic theory ties the money supply to economic production!

In fact, how many products your economy produces has NOTHING to do with proper monetary theory, instead it depends on how much gold you can dig up from the ground.

You really need to do some remedial reading on the Economic Gospel of Ron Paul.God save the mercantililes.

Calcountry
01-14-2010, 12:50 PM
I had this discussion with a hardcore Obama supporter. I asked him how many government jobs create new jobs and if the use of the $787 billion wouldn't have been better spent sending to business (that at least has a shot at creating jobs that are not only self-sustaining but can grow and expand into more than the one job originally funded).

Of course he fell back on the "we had to do something" and "Bush tried tax cuts and look where it got us" lines -- overlooking the fact that the problems in the economy had little to do with what Bush tax policy.Obama is not stupid, he knew damn well what that stimulus package he rammed through congress under the guise of a crises they didn't want to waste. It is a freaking slush fund, or "flash money" as Eddie Murphy would say. He earmarked it to his constituencies. He took over the auto industry. He is tinkering with the banks. He is a Senatorial race away from taking over complete control of the health care industry.

He is CHANGEing our economy from a predominantly capitalistic society into a fascist/ socialist state run society.

That's the change we need? That is the HOPE that we voted for?

BucEyedPea
01-14-2010, 07:48 PM
Seems the Obama braintrust can't quite figure out what's going on...but they know it's certainly not their fault...

ROFL
That's because it's inherent in leftism to see things only as ONE big collective that shares the same mind. We're all ONE! We're all the SAME aka EQUAL.

Thus they don't see individuals or differences....everything's the same. Being able to see similarities, identities and differences is a key to evaluating information. They can't do that. Thus socialism appeals to them so much. Then they're shocked when many of the people don't think the same as they do. They'll never figure it out either.

Saul Good
01-14-2010, 07:57 PM
That's because it's inherent in leftism to see things only as ONE big collective that shares the same mind. We're all ONE! We're all the SAME aka EQUAL.

That's not exactly true. They think that you are all equal. They are among the elite few who know best and are therefore exempt from the rules that they, themselves put in place.

YOU can't carry a handgun because you'll just kill somebody. They can because they know what they are doing.
YOU can't amass wealth because you'd spend it wrong. They can because they are charitable (just not with their own money).
YOU can't use the world's resources because there are billions of you, and it all adds up. They can use whatever they want because a few elites using them doesn't make a difference.
YOU are racist in your thoughts even if your words and deeds are not. They can use words like n*gger and k*ke because they are post-racial.
YOU have to use whatever health care they say because you don't know any better. They can have the best that money can buy because we would be lost without them leading us.

BucEyedPea
01-14-2010, 08:03 PM
That's not exactly true. They think that you are all equal. They are among the elite few who know best and are therefore exempt from the rules that they, themselves put in place.

YOU can't carry a handgun because you'll just kill somebody. They can because they know what they are doing.
YOU can't amass wealth because you'd spend it wrong. They can because they are charitable (just not with their own money).
YOU can't use the world's resources because there are billions of you, and it all adds up. They can use whatever they want because a few elites using them doesn't make a difference.
YOU are racist in your thoughts even if your words and deeds are not. They can use words like n*gger and k*ke because they are post-racial.
YOU have to use whatever health care they say because you don't know any better. They can have the best that money can buy because we would be lost without them leading us.

Nah, it's still true. You provided the exception that proves the rule.

Chiefshrink
01-14-2010, 10:38 PM
That's not exactly true. They think that you are all equal. They are among the elite few who know best and are therefore exempt from the rules that they, themselves put in place.

YOU can't carry a handgun because you'll just kill somebody. They can because they know what they are doing.
YOU can't amass wealth because you'd spend it wrong. They can because they are charitable (just not with their own money).
YOU can't use the world's resources because there are billions of you, and it all adds up. They can use whatever they want because a few elites using them doesn't make a difference.
YOU are racist in your thoughts even if your words and deeds are not. They can use words like n*gger and k*ke because they are post-racial.
YOU have to use whatever health care they say because you don't know any better. They can have the best that money can buy because we would be lost without them leading us.

Exposing the extreme NARCISSISM!!! Good Job Saul!!!!