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Guru
01-16-2010, 02:33 AM
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TigerPig
01-16-2010, 02:48 AM
OMFG!!! THIS IS THE CONAN I WANT TO SEE!!! Getting f*cked over by NBC may be the best thing that happened to him!

BTW The Conan I want to see is NOT the porn Conan. I'm talking about the vulgar obscene Conan (on Prime Time!!!) Though I'd probably watch him thrown down his pipe on some chick because, to be honest, I think it'd be the funniest skit he's ever done. The turn to the guy's face right before the money shot would probably be the absolute funniest thing I have ever seen on the face of the earth.

JD10367
01-16-2010, 06:49 AM
He really didn't belong at 11:30pm on "The Tonight Show".

Here's the deal: when Johnny Carson was hosting "The Tonight Show", it was one-of-a-kind. The big band, Doc Severinson, Ed McMahon, "Heeeere's Johnny!", Carson's monologue, the way he managed to be wryly funny yet also friendly, his self-deprecating humor in his silly skits and animal segments, etc.,... Carson, and his show, were unique.

Then David Letterman came along. He was young, edgy, quirky, goofy, and appealed to a much younger and hipper audience. His show was well suited for after midnight.

This has set up the way late-night has worked. "The Tonight Show" at 11:30pm has always been the comforting, friendly, big-name show. You cannot be edgy or hip in that slot, on that show. Craig Ferguson would not work there. Conan does not work there. The OLD (i.e. younger) Jay Leno wouldn't work there. The current (fat, old, middle-of-the-road, afraid to be edgy) Jay Leno worked fine there.

The problem is that Conan grew up watching "The Tonight Show", like the rest of us. At that time, it was one-of-a-kind, and it was a Holy Grail of television. Saying "I want to grow up to host that" was like saying "I want to grow up to be President". But, what we neglected to realize at the time, was that "The Tonight Show", with Johnny Carson, in that era (late 1970s to early 1980s), was a snapshot in history that could not be duplicated. It's not about something called "The Tonight Show"; it's about Johnny Carson, and it's about having a late-night show when it was the ONLY late-night show. Today, the only things "The Tonight Show" have in common with that are a.) the timeslot, and b.) the title. No one gives a shit if it's called "The Tonight Show" any more, really. So Conan was striving for something that could not be attained, frankly.

If he moves to Fox, he can get away with more of his schtick because, while still at 11:30pm, Fox is already a younger, hipper, edgier network. And, frankly, I think if Conan, Leno, and Letterman all go head-to-head, Conan--the OLD Conan--will kick their asses. Letterman--who has lost all edginess and has just become weird and creepy and unfunny--would probably be second, and Leno--who has now alienated almost all of America--will be third, deservedly so.