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memyselfI
01-19-2010, 08:24 PM
ROFL

Sorry. I just can't help but laugh. MOF, I'm laughing my ass off.

wild1
01-19-2010, 08:27 PM
It's Black Tuesday for the Democrats.

It's been an all-out revolt on health care. You can't tell me that if they weren't trying to ram Obamacare through this seat would have gone red for the first time in 50 years.

Obamacare was enough to put a Republican in Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. You can hardly say any more than that.

memyselfI
01-19-2010, 08:29 PM
I predicated Lite would be to the Dems what Regular was to Republicans. I did not foresee it happening barely a year after he took the oath of office. ROFL

Amnorix
01-19-2010, 08:41 PM
I predicated Lite would be to the Dems what Regular was to Republicans. I did not foresee it happening barely a year after he took the oath of office. ROFL


Actually, that 1-2 year period after electing a President is usually pretty bad for the incumbent. Reagan in '82, Clinton in '94, Bush in '02 and particularly in '06.

Try to keep up with your history folks. It's full of information if you pay any attention to it at all.

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 08:43 PM
ROFL

Sorry. I just can't help but laugh. MOF, I'm laughing my ass off.

I feel like I'm on acid.

ROFL

Bearcat2005
01-19-2010, 08:43 PM
Actually, that 1-2 year period after electing a President is usually pretty bad for the incumbent. Reagan in '82, Clinton in '94, Bush in '02 and particularly in '06.

Try to keep up with your history folks. It's full of information if you pay any attention to it at all.


I agree with your point, however...
Bush 02? GOP gained seats....

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 08:44 PM
It's Black Tuesday for the Democrats.

It's been an all-out revolt on health care. You can't tell me that if they weren't trying to ram Obamacare through this seat would have gone red for the first time in 50 years.

Obamacare was enough to put a Republican in Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. You can hardly say any more than that.

Believe! Yes we can!

ROFL

patteeu
01-19-2010, 08:49 PM
It's Black Tuesday for the Democrats.

It's been an all-out revolt on health care. You can't tell me that if they weren't trying to ram Obamacare through this seat would have gone red for the first time in 50 years.

Obamacare was enough to put a Republican in Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. You can hardly say any more than that.

Scott Brown's seat na!

memyselfI
01-19-2010, 08:51 PM
Actually, that 1-2 year period after electing a President is usually pretty bad for the incumbent. Reagan in '82, Clinton in '94, Bush in '02 and particularly in '06.

Try to keep up with your history folks. It's full of information if you pay any attention to it at all.

But Lite was a history maker. Things were supposed to be DIFFERENT. ROFLROFLROFL

Amnorix
01-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Scott Brown's seat na!

I don't find him winning it all that shocking, under the circumstances. What will be far more interesting to watch is whether he can retain it in 2012.

I spoke with several Democrats down on Coakley in general, who seriously considered voting for Brown on a "seat warmer" philosophy until they get someone they like better in 2012. If Coakley had won -- forget it, she'd lose that seat the day she died.

There is also tremendous resentment towards Beacon Hill at the moment, and the governor, Duval Patrick, is in serious trouble. Brown did a masterful job of tying Coakley to local politicians who have ethics scandals or are deeply unpopular at the moment.

He ran a good campaign, but he also had alot of random factors falling in his favor. It's challenging to imagine a Republican holding a Senate seat from Massachusetts for a prolonged period, but if he's REALLY moderate -- like one of the Maine Republicans, maybe he can pull it off. Being in the minority party may help him hold that seat in 2012, as there may be less pressure on him to support the party line.

Amnorix
01-19-2010, 08:57 PM
But Lite was a history maker. Things were supposed to be DIFFERENT. ROFLROFLROFL

Riiiight....because if only the Democrats had elected Hillary (who would have had a much harder time in the general than Obama did), then health care reform would have passed quickly and easily and the Democrats would've swept to an easy victory in Massachusetts on her coattails...

:rolleyes:


Someday you'll get over your bitterness at 2008. Who knows when, but you'll probaby find you're a happier person when you do. What really amazes me is that Hillary got over it far more quickly than you.

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 09:00 PM
People are still defending this jackass! LOL

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Coin_ExactChange_160.gif

Norman Einstein
01-19-2010, 09:01 PM
Riiiight....because if only the Democrats had elected Hillary (who would have had a much harder time in the general than Obama did), then health care reform would have passed quickly and easily and the Democrats would've swept to an easy victory in Massachusetts on her coattails...

:rolleyes:


Someday you'll get over your bitterness at 2008. Who knows when, but you'll probaby find you're a happier person when you do. What really amazes me is that Hillary got over it far more quickly than you.

It's not that the republicans lost the election in 2008, it's the fact that the mostly dishonest way of governing is now going into great decline and moving back to a normal mix that will balance the government.

How many democrats now will throw Obama under the bus with the health care bill? Will they change their stand and represent the people of the country rather than the political party they are associated with? I see this as the first step back to working together to pass legislation rather than doing it behind closed doors with many excluded purposely.

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 09:03 PM
People are still defending this jackass! LOL

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Coin_ExactChange_160.gif

I still have a job

A goverment job, so ya he is good for me.

Norman Einstein
01-19-2010, 09:08 PM
I still have a job

A goverment job, so ya he is good for me.

How is that good?

patteeu
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM
I don't find him winning it all that shocking, under the circumstances. What will be far more interesting to watch is whether he can retain it in 2012.

I spoke with several Democrats down on Coakley in general, who seriously considered voting for Brown on a "seat warmer" philosophy until they get someone they like better in 2012. If Coakley had won -- forget it, she'd lose that seat the day she died.

There is also tremendous resentment towards Beacon Hill at the moment, and the governor, Duval Patrick, is in serious trouble. Brown did a masterful job of tying Coakley to local politicians who have ethics scandals or are deeply unpopular at the moment.

He ran a good campaign, but he also had alot of random factors falling in his favor. It's challenging to imagine a Republican holding a Senate seat from Massachusetts for a prolonged period, but if he's REALLY moderate -- like one of the Maine Republicans, maybe he can pull it off. Being in the minority party may help him hold that seat in 2012, as there may be less pressure on him to support the party line.

You're a lot closer to it than I am obviously, but from where I sit it is pretty darned shocking. I'll be surprised if he holds the seat in 2012 but I think that goes hand-in-hand with the reasons tonight is so surprising to me.

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM
How is that good?

Well we did recieve a shit load of stimulus money

Norman Einstein
01-19-2010, 09:11 PM
Well we did recieve a shit load of stimulus money

Short term fixes seldom work. I hope you survive, the stimulus money might sound good but I'd bet the strings can bite you in the ass.

MarcBulger
01-19-2010, 09:13 PM
This is the Peoples Socialists Republic of Mass, not some MidWest state who have seated both Rep and Dems in a Senate seat. I hope this kills Obamacare.

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 09:14 PM
This is the Peoples Socialists Republic of Mass, not some MidWest state who have seated both Rep and Dems in a Senate seat. I hope this kills Obamacare.

And cap and tax, so businesses can start hiring again.

Amnorix
01-19-2010, 09:14 PM
You're a lot closer to it than I am obviously, but from where I sit it is pretty darned shocking. I'll be surprised if he holds the seat in 2012 but I think that goes hand-in-hand with the reasons tonight is so surprising to me.

:shrug: No moreso than some of the states the Democrats took in '06 and '08. Massachusetts voters are pretty pissed at the state of the universe too right now, but their opportunity to send a message to someone came a couple years later than everyone else's.

I suspect we'll revert to mean when Brown is up for election, but if he is truly middle of teh road, and can keep the independents (of whom there are many more than there are Democrats), then he may be able to keep the seat. If he hews to the Republican line, then he's dead. He needs to do the Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins thing to have any chance.

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 09:15 PM
Short term fixes seldom work. I hope you survive, the stimulus money might sound good but I'd bet the strings can bite you in the ass.

I'm just hoping it buys me at least 5 years, by then i'll have enough seniority that they couldn't get rid of me if they wanted to.

Amnorix
01-19-2010, 09:16 PM
This is the Peoples Socialists Republic of Mass, not some MidWest state who have seated both Rep and Dems in a Senate seat. I hope this kills Obamacare.

Not to burst your bubble, but Cambridge doesn't run the state, and we are not California. We're no more liberal than states like New York or New Jersey. We had Republican governors for nearly all of the 90s.

And the way Duval Patrick si going, we'll have another one soon...

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 09:17 PM
I'm just hoping it buys me at least 5 years, by then i'll have enough seniority that they couldn't get rid of me if they wanted to.

Hooray for you. That is awesome. :rolleyes:

MarcBulger
01-19-2010, 09:18 PM
Yes you have had a couple Gov who were Rep, no one as Conservative as Brown, Rom is fiscal cons but pretty socially liberal. Brown is Pro-Choice but is hard core against partial birth abortion and is for parent notification and against queers marrying...

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 09:27 PM
Hooray for you. That is awesome. :rolleyes:

You got something against job security?
Or do you just hate Unions?

|Zach|
01-19-2010, 09:43 PM
I feel like I'm on acid.

ROFL

What?

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:11 PM
Actually, that 1-2 year period after electing a President is usually pretty bad for the incumbent. Reagan in '82, Clinton in '94, Bush in '02 and particularly in '06.

Try to keep up with your history folks. It's full of information if you pay any attention to it at all.

Doesn't a President usually enjoy a year or so "honeymoon"?

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:13 PM
Obamacare was enough to put a Republican in Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. You can hardly say any more than that.

That really is astounding. I got what I wanted for Christmas after all...change.

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 10:14 PM
That really is astounding. I got what I wanted for Christmas after all...change.

:clap:

http://www.moonbattery.com/Solid-B-Plus.jpg

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:15 PM
I still have a job

A goverment job, so ya he is good for me.

Well it's all about you, isn't it? Wait, you're the same guy who's worried about the poor, right?

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:17 PM
I'm just hoping it buys me at least 5 years, by then i'll have enough seniority that they couldn't get rid of me if they wanted to.

Wow. It's a good thing you have a government job; I'm not sure you could pass mustard in the private sector.

lostcause
01-19-2010, 10:17 PM
damn... i was kind of wanting health care.

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 10:18 PM
damn... i was kind of wanting health care.

Do what everybody else does, get a job, or swallow a watemelon seed and hope you get pregnant.

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:20 PM
Well it's all about you, isn't it? Wait, you're the same guy who's worried about the poor, right?

was i being sarcastic?

lostcause
01-19-2010, 10:23 PM
Do what everybody else does, get a job, or swallow a watemelon seed and hope you get pregnant.

of course. I have a job. I'm also a student. I can't afford health care. Thanks for the help though.

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:24 PM
was i being sarcastic?

I don't know; were you...do you even know?

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 10:27 PM
of course. I have a job. I'm also a student. I can't afford health care. Thanks for the help though.

I was once a student, too. And then I got a job. You're welcome.

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:28 PM
of course. I have a job. I'm also a student. I can't afford health care. Thanks for the help though.

A lot of us didn't have health care when we went to college. We were young, and for the most part didn't need medical attention. I sprained the crap out of my ankle playing basketball once, black and blue to the toes and hobbled around for a couple of weeks...hurt like hell...but didn't even dream I should get free medical attention, but those were different times.

Be careful, wear a rubber (of course there ARE free clinics) and if you're seriously hurt, go to the ER. They HAVE to provide you medical attention. If you're looking for a family plan, go back to "get a (better) job".

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 10:28 PM
Well it's all about you, isn't it? Wait, you're the same guy who's worried about the poor, right?

REmember back during B.O.'s campaign and he was taking questions from the audience (plants) and that one guy starts carrying on 'THANK YOU MISTER OBAMA! THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY TO SPEAK WITH ME! I NEED A JOB! CAN YOU HELP ME?'

Yeah, that's him.

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:29 PM
of course. I have a job. I'm also a student. I can't afford health care. Thanks for the help though.

Take lots of vitamins, I heard this will prevent any and all doctor visits.

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:33 PM
REmember back during B.O.'s campaign and he was taking questions from the audience (plants) and that one guy starts carrying on 'THANK YOU MISTER OBAMA! THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY TO SPEAK WITH ME! I NEED A JOB! CAN YOU HELP ME?'

Yeah, that's him.

...and Obama gave him a government job...I get it. Wonder if he's a Czar?

Bwana
01-19-2010, 10:34 PM
Tonight we got some Hope and CHANGE. :)

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:36 PM
Tonight we got some Hope and CHANGE. :)

Talk about "Change" CNN was my favorite channel tonight...aside from the "watching the poor people die" channel of course...

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:37 PM
...and Obama gave him a government job...I get it. Wonder if he's a Czar?

No I already had the job long before Obama was elected, but I guess I shouldn't be happy about receiving more funding.

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 10:38 PM
...and Obama gave him a government job...I get it. Wonder if he's a Czar?

He did say "I hope I can just make it another 5 years"... either he's real bad at math or B.O. hooked him up with something else. My guess is he's bad at math and he's David Jennings.

Bwana
01-19-2010, 10:39 PM
Talk about "Change" CNN was my favorite channel tonight...aside from the "watching the poor people die" channel of course...

Yeah, I caught some of the CNN chat as well. ROFL Most of them looked like they were ready to drink the Jim Jones Kool-Aid.

lostcause
01-19-2010, 10:39 PM
Fortunately, we still have most of the senate and can still find a way to get the bill passed. There is still hope!

Bwana
01-19-2010, 10:40 PM
No I already had the job long before Obama was elected, but I guess I shouldn't be happy about receiving more funding.

You're welcome

XOXOXO

The American Tax Payers

Bwana
01-19-2010, 10:41 PM
Fortunately, we still have most of the senate and can still find a way to get the bill passed. There is still hope!

:facepalm:

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:42 PM
You're welcome

XOXOXO

The American Tax Payers

Cleaning up nuclear waste that is currently getting into the Columbia river is kinda important to me.

Bwana
01-19-2010, 10:44 PM
Cleaning up nuclear waste that is currently getting into the Columbia river is kinda important to me.

Sooooooooo, the government does this, or contractors?

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:45 PM
Sooooooooo, the government does this, or contractors?

contracts from the DOE

Bwana
01-19-2010, 10:46 PM
contracts from the DOE

That's what I thought.

Bwana
01-19-2010, 10:48 PM
I don't think you want mom and pop down the road handling weapons grade plutonium

Not Mom, but my brother has a large company that does the exact same thing, so yeah, we keep it in the family.

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:49 PM
No I already had the job long before Obama was elected, but I guess I shouldn't be happy about receiving more funding.

See, you're just so damn inconsistent, and when you're inconsistent, it's impossible to know when you're sarcastic. I mean you're this wonderful guy who cares about everybody getting free healthcare and the poor and all, but your posts are all about you and what's good for you.

Color me confused.

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:51 PM
I don't think you want mom and pop down the road handling weapons grade plutonium

You're not Jack Bauer are you?

The Mad Crapper
01-19-2010, 10:52 PM
I don't think you want mom and pop down the road handling weapons grade plutonium

Plutonium is rare and expensive. Who's the moron just throwing it away into the river?

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:53 PM
You're not Jack Bauer are you?

I wish

I should have been more specific, its the by products from manufacturing it.

You ever heard of Hanford?

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:54 PM
I wish

I should have been more specific, its the by products from manufacturing it.

You ever heard of Hanford?

Nope; don't travel in hazardous waste circles these days...if indeed that's what "Hanford" really means . . . Jack.

KC Dan
01-19-2010, 10:56 PM
Nope; don't travel in hazardous waste circles these days...if indeed that's what "Hanford" really means . . . Jack.Hanford DOE site in Washington state

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:58 PM
Plutonium is rare and expensive. Who's the moron just throwing it away into the river?

well you see my friend, when you manufacture a small amount of the good stuff it leaves behind a whole shit load of not so good liquid stuff that got shoved into underground tanks. And now those tanks are leaking and the goverment doesn't like that.

kcpasco
01-19-2010, 10:58 PM
Hanford DOE site in Washington state

ya

fan4ever
01-19-2010, 10:59 PM
Fortunately, we still have most of the senate and can still find a way to get the bill passed. There is still hope!

I hope both parties will be included in a long and well thought out bill that makes sense both fiscally and in terms of healthcare...but you don't do it right the way they attempted it...enough votes or not.

There truly are a great deal of issues...eliminating medicare/medicaid fraud for a start would be nice; nobody could bitch about that.

patteeu
01-20-2010, 06:34 AM
:shrug: No moreso than some of the states the Democrats took in '06 and '08. Massachusetts voters are pretty pissed at the state of the universe too right now, but their opportunity to send a message to someone came a couple years later than everyone else's.

I suspect we'll revert to mean when Brown is up for election, but if he is truly middle of teh road, and can keep the independents (of whom there are many more than there are Democrats), then he may be able to keep the seat. If he hews to the Republican line, then he's dead. He needs to do the Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins thing to have any chance.

I agree. I hope he'd rather lose the seat than become another Snowe/Collins, but I won't be surprised if he ends up being the latter. He'll probably lose the seat either way.

BucEyedPea
01-20-2010, 06:54 AM
Brown can tax me, just not as high as a D would. The insane war on terror will continue on it's misbegotten path and illegal immigration may continue.

cookster50
01-20-2010, 07:12 AM
If Coakley had won -- forget it, she'd lose that seat the day she died.
Hmm, that would be very unusual. Just think, if a Senator died they would lose their seat that very same day.....

:)

RedNeckRaider
01-20-2010, 07:30 AM
He has already done what I wanted him to do LMAO

Bwana
01-20-2010, 08:46 AM
He has already done what I wanted him to do LMAO

http://img.hobowars.com/fn_photos/l_16366_1a1a1aSB.jpg

Chief Henry
01-20-2010, 10:44 AM
Yeah, I caught some of the CNN chat as well. ROFL Most of them looked like they were ready to drink the Jim Jones Kool-Aid.

Overbite and Madcow along with Mathews were acting like spoiled little brats
at a funeral. Overbite on MSNBC came out of Browns speech mumbling something about "sharing a family Chowda recipe".

Madcow,Overbite and Mathews need to be put on suicide watch.

The Mad Crapper
01-20-2010, 10:47 AM
well you see my friend, when you manufacture a small amount of the good stuff it leaves behind a whole shit load of not so good liquid stuff that got shoved into underground tanks. And now those tanks are leaking and the goverment doesn't like that.

Sounds fascinating. Describe the process of removing the "whole shit load of not so good liquid stuff" from the Columbia river. What role do you play?

The Mad Crapper
01-20-2010, 10:48 AM
Madcow,Overbite and Mathews need to be put on suicide watch.

By enablers.

vailpass
01-20-2010, 12:14 PM
I'm just hoping it buys me at least 5 years, by then i'll have enough seniority that they couldn't get rid of me if they wanted to.

:shake:

lostcause
01-21-2010, 01:23 AM
I hope both parties will be included in a long and well thought out bill that makes sense both fiscally and in terms of healthcare...but you don't do it right the way they attempted it...enough votes or not.

There truly are a great deal of issues...eliminating medicare/medicaid fraud for a start would be nice; nobody could bitch about that.

You know... I agree with you. The plan seemed to come too quick to be properly thought out. And i would love to see the parties come together to establish a great universal healthcare initiative. However, I think this was the one chance to get something passed and then allow it to be tweaked. If this is the call that socialized health care in the US is dead I truly am saddened.