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dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:25 PM
Bill O'Reilly stated tonight that according to Fox News Internal polling:

If the election was today

1. Obama beats Palin by double digits
2. Obama beats any other Republican candidate "very easily"

I find this interesting considering how bad everyone says he is doing.

BucEyedPea
01-25-2010, 07:28 PM
Bill O'Reilly stated tonight that according to Fox News Internal polling:

If the election was today

1. Obama beats Palin by double digits
2. Obama beats any other Republican candidate "very easily"

I find this interesting considering how bad everyone says he is doing.

All that shows is that the Bush Republicans are not favored.

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:29 PM
All that shows is that the Bush Republicans are not favored.

He called Palin the leader of the Tea Party movement. Do you think she is?

mlyonsd
01-25-2010, 07:30 PM
All it takes is a message.

Well, to be honest the voters now might know how easy they can be hoodwinked so the message will be harder to craft.....more than just a smiling face with an empty suit that can read a teleprompter.

Oh, and next time I bet everyone will be looking for anyone that doesn't know how many states are in the union.

BucEyedPea
01-25-2010, 07:31 PM
He called Palin the leader of the Tea Party movement. Do you think she is?

Absolutely NOT! I think. I think it's been an ad hoc group and it pulled in the Bushies and corporate folks.

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:39 PM
All it takes is a message.

Well, to be honest the voters now might know how easy they can be hoodwinked so the message will be harder to craft.....more than just a smiling face with an empty suit that can read a teleprompter.

Oh, and next time I bet everyone will be looking for anyone that doesn't know how many states are in the union.

Or name one of the founders of our country ;)

I do agree with you it does take a message but will the Republicans have one besides hate for Obama? Similar to hate Bush the dems tried.

Donger
01-25-2010, 07:41 PM
Bill O'Reilly stated tonight that according to Fox News Internal polling:

If the election was today

1. Obama beats Palin by double digits
2. Obama beats any other Republican candidate "very easily"

I find this interesting considering how bad everyone says he is doing.

I could have sworn that O'Reilly stated that the numbers show that Huckabee would beat Obama?

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:41 PM
Absolutely NOT! I think. I think it's been an ad hoc group and it pulled in the Bushies and corporate folks.

Do you like that they pulled in the Bushies and corporate folk?

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:42 PM
I could have sworn that O'Reilly stated that the numbers show that Huckabee would beat Obama?

That was from PPP poll, they have Huckabee winning 45-44

petegz28
01-25-2010, 07:42 PM
Obama is not viewed favorably. But the Pelosi-Reid lead Dems are where the voters are going to take out their anger.

petegz28
01-25-2010, 07:42 PM
I could have sworn that O'Reilly stated that the numbers show that Huckabee would beat Obama?

Actually he said that. Direckshun must have missed that part.

The Mad Crapper
01-25-2010, 07:43 PM
I could have sworn that O'Reilly stated that the numbers show that Huckabee would beat Obama?

Banyon will be right over to correct this deception. No, really. Just wait.

mlyonsd
01-25-2010, 07:44 PM
Or name one of the founders of our country ;)

I do agree with you it does take a message but will the Republicans have one besides hate for Obama? Similar to hate Bush the dems tried.

Obama and the dems are making their own 'hate'. The republicans are just sitting back and watching for the most part.

That's the part you don't understand. You can hang out in this forum and see hate. All you have to do is watch Obama's agenda from a distance and understand the dems are cutting their own throats. Whether or not they wake up in time before there is any blood left is on them.

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:44 PM
Actually he said that. Direckshun must have missed that part.

Once again that was the PPP poll, in that poll Obama beats Palin by 9 and Romney by 5

Also what is up with calling me Direckshun

mlyonsd
01-25-2010, 07:45 PM
That was from PPP poll, they have Huckabee winning 45-44

So there is one poll out there that has Buckapee beating Obama?

Thread over.

The Mad Crapper
01-25-2010, 07:46 PM
Once again that was the PPP poll, in that poll Obama beats Palin by 9 and Romney by 5

Also what is up with calling me Direckshun

It's hard to tell the O-Bots apart.

BucEyedPea
01-25-2010, 07:47 PM
Do you like that they pulled in the Bushies and corporate folk?

It's fine for some issues....but not if they use it to launch a NC or big govt con into power by illegitimately using it. I mean we need whoever we can get on issues. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:47 PM
Obama and the dems are making their own 'hate'. The republicans are just sitting back and watching for the most part.

That's the part you don't understand. You can hang out in this forum and see hate. All you have to do is watch Obama's agenda from a distance and understand the dems are cutting their own throats. Whether or not they wake up in time before there is any blood left is on them.

and that is different than Bush and Republicans making their own hate and cutting their own throats?

BucEyedPea
01-25-2010, 07:47 PM
So there is one poll out there that has Buckapee beating Obama?

Thread over.

That's not how you spell my name.:mad:

petegz28
01-25-2010, 07:49 PM
Once again that was the PPP poll, in that poll Obama beats Palin by 9 and Romney by 5

Also what is up with calling me Direckshun

My bad, sorry

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:50 PM
So there is one poll out there that has Buckapee beating Obama?

Thread over.

They all dismissed that poll because it was an outlier from the Fox News polls.

I like Huckabee but that whole letting criminals go and killing people is not a positive.

Donger
01-25-2010, 07:51 PM
That was from PPP poll, they have Huckabee winning 45-44

Okay, so was the result of Obama versus Plain also from this PPP poll?

Saul Good
01-25-2010, 07:54 PM
I do agree with you it does take a message but will the Republicans have one besides hate for Obama? Similar to hate Bush the dems tried.

Are you trying to say that the hate Bush platform didn't work for the Dems?

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 07:56 PM
My bad, sorry

No big deal just make sure MU wins tonight

Okay, so was the result of Obama versus Plain also from this PPP poll?

9 point win for Obama

Are you trying to say that the hate Bush platform didn't work for the Dems?

Only in 2006 and obviously in 08

orange
01-25-2010, 07:57 PM
Okay, so was the result of Obama versus Plain also from this PPP poll?

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/01/2012-presidential-poll.html

Norman Einstein
01-25-2010, 07:58 PM
I was listening to a story by Mike Huckabee. He had been indunated with comments like the next election the republicans would be back in the white house. He gave them a little history lesson.

When Reagan was in office his first year was horrible and the republicans lost the majority in either the house or the senate. For the most part the same thing happened to Clinton and followed on by Bush.

His opinion is that if the balance comes back to the senate and house that Obama stands a good chance of beign re-elected. The only things that can take him out of the race would be the continuance of all of his seemingly failed policys and his attitude that he can do no wrong. If he doesn't change the way he is doing business he can stand a chance of losing the next election. If he is as smart as the liberals think he is he will most likely survive the next election.

I hate the sound of it, but if history teaches us anything it's that politicians are out to cover their own ass first.

Donger
01-25-2010, 08:03 PM
9 point win for Obama

So, you WERE referring to the PPP poll in the OP?

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 08:05 PM
I was listening to a story by Mike Huckabee. He had been indunated with comments like the next election the republicans would be back in the white house. He gave them a little history lesson.

When Reagan was in office his first year was horrible and the republicans lost the majority in either the house or the senate. For the most part the same thing happened to Clinton and followed on by Bush.

His opinion is that if the balance comes back to the senate and house that Obama stands a good chance of beign re-elected. The only things that can take him out of the race would be the continuance of all of his seemingly failed policys and his attitude that he can do no wrong. If he doesn't change the way he is doing business he can stand a chance of losing the next election. If he is as smart as the liberals think he is he will most likely survive the next election.

I hate the sound of it, but if history teaches us anything it's that politicians are out to cover their own ass first.


Huckabee is right.

Obama talked about his numbers today and he is absolutely right about all of this

The president has previously admitted the convoluted process of cobbling together the huge bill had alarmed voters, but said today he will not back off of tackling large issues despite the political jeopardy involved.

"You know, there is a tendency in Washington to believe our job description, of elected officials, is to get reelected. That's not our job description," Obama said. "Our job description is to solve problems and to help people."

"I went through this [in] the campaign. When your poll numbers drop, you are an idiot. When your poll numbers are high, you are a genius. If my poll numbers are low, then I am cool and cerebral, and cool and detached. If my poll numbers are high," Obama said with a laugh, "boy he's calm and reasoned all right."

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 08:06 PM
So, you WERE referring to the PPP poll in the OP?

No I was referring to the Fox New Internal Poll that O'Reilly talked about.

PPP is a democratic polling company

RJ
01-25-2010, 08:10 PM
That was from PPP poll, they have Huckabee winning 45-44


Wow, that surprises me much more than Palin would have.

Royal Fanatic
01-25-2010, 08:23 PM
I believe the polls showed that Martha Coakley had an overwhelming lead over Scott Brown.

Donger
01-25-2010, 08:33 PM
No I was referring to the Fox New Internal Poll that O'Reilly talked about.

PPP is a democratic polling company

:spock:

Cannibal
01-25-2010, 08:59 PM
The last fuckin thing we need is Mike Huckabee. That is like status quo with religion thrown in on top of it.

Norman Einstein
01-25-2010, 09:18 PM
The last ****in thing we need is Mike Huckabee. That is like status quo with religion thrown in on top of it.

If you are a ****ing liberal then that might be your point of reference.

Cannibal
01-25-2010, 09:24 PM
If you are a ****ing liberal then that might be your point of reference.

Huckabee is a very liberal Republican which would be a problem for many conservatives. But he's also very fuckin religious which would be a problem for me.

Taco John
01-25-2010, 09:37 PM
I suppose if Bush could get re-elected, it's probably that even someone like Obama could carry another term.

Norman Einstein
01-25-2010, 09:51 PM
Huckabee is a very liberal Republican which would be a problem for many conservatives. But he's also very ****in religious which would be a problem for me.

If you have a problem with his religion you have more to worry about than politics. Presidents can be holy rollers or muslims (see Obama) and it doesn't have an impact on the country. Would you rather have a president that was a Christian and reasonably honest or someone like Obama that doesn't seem to have an honest bone in his body?

My guess is that if someone is a Christian you expect them to be more perfect than the next person in the line. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Christians are expected to be better than your average person but are no different as all humans are only different by the way they look.

dirk digler
01-25-2010, 10:43 PM
:spock:

what are you confused about?

He started off the segment talking about the PPP Poll and the lack of republican leaders and message.

Then he had Juan Williams and that other chick and he talked about Fox News internal polling showing Obama wins easily against all Republican opponents.

Cannibal
01-25-2010, 10:47 PM
If you have a problem with his religion you have more to worry about than politics. Presidents can be holy rollers or muslims (see Obama) and it doesn't have an impact on the country. Would you rather have a president that was a Christian and reasonably honest or someone like Obama that doesn't seem to have an honest bone in his body?

My guess is that if someone is a Christian you expect them to be more perfect than the next person in the line. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Christians are expected to be better than your average person but are no different as all humans are only different by the way they look.


What I don't want an overtly religious President that has stated more than once that he wants to amend the constitution to be "brought within god's standards".

Norman Einstein
01-26-2010, 04:49 AM
What I don't want an overtly religious President that has stated more than once that he wants to amend the constitution to be "brought within god's standards".

Your are probably onboard with Frankie and want someone to amend the constitution to remove the freedoms we now enjoy. The constitution was written "within God's standards". It's the SCOTUS that stopped working withing the confines of the constitution and doing it's best to redefine what the founding fathers intended.

Why was it you didn't fear Jimmy Carter? He was overly religious, by your standards and didn't try to change the constitution.

Cannibal
01-26-2010, 08:52 AM
Your are probably onboard with Frankie and want someone to amend the constitution to remove the freedoms we now enjoy. The constitution was written "within God's standards". It's the SCOTUS that stopped working withing the confines of the constitution and doing it's best to redefine what the founding fathers intended.

Why was it you didn't fear Jimmy Carter? He was overly religious, by your standards and didn't try to change the constitution.

If it is already written "to god's standards" then it doesn't need to be fucked with any more.

Chocolate Hog
01-26-2010, 02:04 PM
Republicans need a candidate whos strong on defense like the last president/Mayor of NYC who oversought the biggest terrorist attack in US history and freely let people cross the southern border. They'll keep us safe.

Inspector
01-26-2010, 02:22 PM
Huckabee is a very liberal Republican which would be a problem for many conservatives. But he's also very ****in religious which would be a problem for me.

Yeah, some of these people act like we're one nation under God or something...

Some people!! Sheesh! What is wrong with them???

ChiefaRoo
01-26-2010, 03:09 PM
The last ****in thing we need is Mike Huckabee. That is like status quo with religion thrown in on top of it.



Status quo? WTF are you talking about? The current status is our country is in a downward spiral, spending is at levels never seen before with inflation lurking around the corner. Unemployment hasn't been this high since Jimmy F**king Carter and our President is taxing the hell out of us all unless your his buddy and then you get exempted.

The status quo used to be stability, growth and an optimistic future. Right now we as a country can't say that the future is going to be better because the Govt. is leading us towards financial ruin.

Status quo? At this point I'd settle for three years of Bill Clinton and his adult view of the economy and the world. Obama is a light weight socialist who has no idea how to fix the countries woes. This shite is scary boys and girls.

Norman Einstein
01-26-2010, 03:28 PM
If it is already written "to god's standards" then it doesn't need to be ****ed with any more.

Tell me who is going to do anything with it! Do you honestly think that if a president says he wants to change the constitution it's going to happen? OTOH Obama is just sidestepping the constitution whenever he can, I presume that's ok with you as long as he isn't a Christian.

Cannibal
01-26-2010, 03:30 PM
Tell me who is going to do anything with it! Do you honestly think that if a president says he wants to change the constitution it's going to happen? OTOH Obama is just sidestepping the constitution whenever he can, I presume that's ok with you as long as he isn't a Christian.

I don't want anyone who is even inclined to do it, which Huckabee is. Save your Christian victim bullshit btw. I have disdain for all religion.

Chocolate Hog
01-26-2010, 03:31 PM
Huckabee wasn't called tax hike mike for nothing.

Cannibal
01-26-2010, 03:32 PM
Huckabee wasn't called tax hike mike for nothing.
Exactly.

Norman Einstein
01-26-2010, 03:35 PM
I don't want anyone who is even inclined to do it, which Huckabee is. Save your Christian victim bullshit btw. I have disdain for all religion.

So you can't have a view of what a religious leader may or may not do because you are predispositioned to hate anyone or anything to do with it.

Christian victim? I'm a Christian, not a victim. Your attacks are baseless and just dumb.

Cannibal
01-26-2010, 03:37 PM
So you can't have a view of what a religious leader may or may not do because you are predispositioned to hate anyone or anything to do with it.

Christian victim? I'm a Christian, not a victim. Your attacks are baseless and just dumb.

You keep bringing up Christians. I don't care if you're a Christian, Muslim or a fuckin Moony, if you have intentions on injecting that religion into government I have no use for you in the slightest.

Radar Chief
01-26-2010, 03:59 PM
I suppose if Bush could get re-elected, it's probably that even someone like Obama could carry another term.

Well sure, all the Republicans have to do is come up with another McCain type candidate and Obama is a two term president. :shrug:

VAChief
01-26-2010, 04:45 PM
Tell me who is going to do anything with it! Do you honestly think that if a president says he wants to change the constitution it's going to happen? OTOH Obama is just sidestepping the constitution whenever he can, I presume that's ok with you as long as he isn't a Christian.

You keep saying that he isn't a Christian, not that it matters but it is contrary to his stated beliefs. No one knows what someone really believes or whether it is genuine. One might conclude that Reagan was not a Christian because he had an astrologer (contrary to Christian teachings). Again, for those that believe, it is not for us to judge. Although I find it ironic those so concerned with such things in their political figures overlook obvious discrepancies in those that fit their political ideaologies.

Cannibal
01-26-2010, 04:54 PM
You keep saying that he isn't a Christian, not that it matters but it is contrary to his stated beliefs. No one knows what someone really believes or whether it is genuine. One might conclude that Reagan was not a Christian because he had an astrologer (contrary to Christian teachings). Again, for those that believe, it is not for us to judge. Although I find it ironic those so concerned with such things in their political figures overlook obvious discrepancies in those that fit their political ideaologies.

I salute the first part of your post. For the second part, if you were referring to me... Obama has not publically stated he is willing to interject his religion into his government service, where as Huckabee has.

VAChief
01-26-2010, 05:02 PM
I salute the first part of your post. For the second part, if you were referring to me... Obama has not publically stated he is willing to interject his religion into his government service, where as Huckabee has.

No I wasn't referring to you. I am a Christian, but believe strongly in separation of religious beliefs and public policy.

Norman Einstein
01-26-2010, 05:13 PM
I salute the first part of your post. For the second part, if you were referring to me... Obama has not publically stated he is willing to interject his religion into his government service, where as Huckabee has.

Obama hasn't said he is going to do so, but has told foreing dignitaries that we are not a Christian nation and has elluded to his Muslim roots. I don't care if you believe that or not but it's hard to photoshop what's on CNN.

I never claimed that Reagan was a Christian, nor did he.

Your hatred of anything, or disdain if you prefer, religious is absurd. You are trying to do the same thing without religion that you believe Huckabee is willing to try to do. And again if Huckabee was president he would never be able to do what you feel he would. The congress would have to approve it, the senate would have to approve it and the SCOTUS would surely strike anything down if it were approved.

orange
01-26-2010, 05:22 PM
Obama hasn't said he is going to do so, but has told foreing dignitaries that we are not a Christian nation


"Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation."

...

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

Calcountry
01-26-2010, 05:30 PM
Or name one of the founders of our country ;)

I do agree with you it does take a message but will the Republicans have one besides hate for Obama? Similar to hate Bush the dems tried.Why didn't this poll ask whether or not Obama would be the Democratic nominee in 2012? Massachusetts Democrats are already wishing for another choice?

Norman Einstein
01-26-2010, 05:42 PM
"Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation."

...

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

You can claim the government is not a Christian Government all you want. The letters of the founding fathers spoke differently of the people of the United States. The reason the country was founded was to break from the Church of England, you know, the church that every englishman was born into. The concept was not to be devoid of religion but to give us the choice of what religion we want.

Cannibal
01-26-2010, 08:08 PM
Obama hasn't said he is going to do so, but has told foreing dignitaries that we are not a Christian nation and has elluded to his Muslim roots. I don't care if you believe that or not but it's hard to photoshop what's on CNN.

I never claimed that Reagan was a Christian, nor did he.

Your hatred of anything, or disdain if you prefer, religious is absurd. You are trying to do the same thing without religion that you believe Huckabee is willing to try to do. And again if Huckabee was president he would never be able to do what you feel he would. The congress would have to approve it, the senate would have to approve it and the SCOTUS would surely strike anything down if it were approved.

But he has said he wants to. So he's out in my book. You can like him as a candidate if you wish, I'm not stopping you. Doesn't mean I have to back him.

Norman Einstein
01-26-2010, 08:25 PM
But he has said he wants to. So he's out in my book. You can like him as a candidate if you wish, I'm not stopping you. Doesn't mean I have to back him.

I never said I backed him, you assumed I did because I thought your point of view was warped.

It is amazing that you will back Obama and dis Huckabee.

Cannibal
01-26-2010, 08:27 PM
I never said I backed him, you assumed I did because I thought your point of view was warped.

It is amazing that you will back Obama and dis Huckabee.

Then as usual you really have no point in the first place it seems.

Norman Einstein
01-26-2010, 09:27 PM
Then as usual you really have no point in the first place it seems.

If that's the case then neither do you. (other than unabashed hatred of anything God based).

craneref
01-26-2010, 10:05 PM
I thought FOX News was biased and couldn't be trusted? So you can't believe this poll and not their others can you? :D